youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:38 pm
The point of the post was a mandate vs religious exception. Is there some precedent stating that the mandate overrules all personal religious beliefs of not being force to inject human parts into ones body?
I'm not on the front lines, so I don't know....but as far as I'm aware, every State and the Federal government has exemptions of some kind for this and other vaccines. Colorado has them for the K-12 vaccines, for example.
Can't speak to 100% of States, nor how the Fed is handling it.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:38 pm
Hell, you can be sued by a vegan if the dietary content is inaccurate on a box of jello....and win.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:46 pm
I agree. I don't say its gospel. All easy things to find out. She may be a nutjob. But its certainly different than the party line and worth some digging and questions.
Agree completely. This is serious stuff for some Americans, and I understand and respect that. But boy, do the details matter here.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:46 pm
It's interesting to me because in my industry the DoD has mandated vaccines on bases and while they are allowing some "religious" exemptions, they are making it very difficult with the paperwork. 4x Witnesses, pastor signatures, etc. Not just people's word. This revelation will likely bind together certain segments who don't like the Vax and make it more of a religious exemption than it could have been before. Thus making the DoD's position much weaker.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:48 am
Despite what was originally claimed and thought, Embryonic cells used at Pfizer.
Now with the DoD mandates and people losing their jobs over vaccine refusals, Religious exemptions will be a real thing. The lawsuits will be staggering.
Biden, first with Afghanistan, again getting bad advice when pushing through decisions.
This piece has holes in it that you could drive a freight train through......
What's this lady's CV, for starters? If she's an expert on this stuff, why leave it out?
Taking heavily edited emails---and an obviously heavily edited video doesn't cut it. Let's hold the parade here, Kram, and get some real investigation into these allegations.
This has already been a story, btw, albeit for other vaccines...
The point of the post was a mandate vs religious exception. Is there some precedent stating that the mandate overrules all personal religious beliefs of not being force to inject human parts into ones body?
Hell, you can be sued by a vegan if the dietary content is inaccurate on a box of jello....and win.
There are no human parts in the vaccine. That is a bunch of crap right there. The cells were used in the testing of the vaccine.
Much like this short list...acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:48 am
Despite what was originally claimed and thought, Embryonic cells used at Pfizer.
Now with the DoD mandates and people losing their jobs over vaccine refusals, Religious exemptions will be a real thing. The lawsuits will be staggering.
Biden, first with Afghanistan, again getting bad advice when pushing through decisions.
This piece has holes in it that you could drive a freight train through......
What's this lady's CV, for starters? If she's an expert on this stuff, why leave it out?
Taking heavily edited emails---and an obviously heavily edited video doesn't cut it. Let's hold the parade here, Kram, and get some real investigation into these allegations.
This has already been a story, btw, albeit for other vaccines...
The point of the post was a mandate vs religious exception. Is there some precedent stating that the mandate overrules all personal religious beliefs of not being force to inject human parts into ones body?
Hell, you can be sued by a vegan if the dietary content is inaccurate on a box of jello....and win.
There are no human parts in the vaccine. That is a bunch of crap right there. The cells were used in the testing of the vaccine.
Much like this short list...acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:48 am
Despite what was originally claimed and thought, Embryonic cells used at Pfizer.
Now with the DoD mandates and people losing their jobs over vaccine refusals, Religious exemptions will be a real thing. The lawsuits will be staggering.
Biden, first with Afghanistan, again getting bad advice when pushing through decisions.
This piece has holes in it that you could drive a freight train through......
What's this lady's CV, for starters? If she's an expert on this stuff, why leave it out?
Taking heavily edited emails---and an obviously heavily edited video doesn't cut it. Let's hold the parade here, Kram, and get some real investigation into these allegations.
This has already been a story, btw, albeit for other vaccines...
The point of the post was a mandate vs religious exception. Is there some precedent stating that the mandate overrules all personal religious beliefs of not being force to inject human parts into ones body?
Hell, you can be sued by a vegan if the dietary content is inaccurate on a box of jello....and win.
There are no human parts in the vaccine. That is a bunch of crap right there. The cells were used in the testing of the vaccine.
Much like this short list...acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft
And if they also abstain from those, the same can apply, no? Not picking a fight, just discussing merit.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
Much like this short list...acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft
And if they also abstain from those, the same can apply, no? Not picking a fight, just discussing merit.
Totally agree.
But how many of the folks claiming religious exemptions could pass this test. Close to zero I would guess.
Because their religion has no objection to the Covid vax. And because they personally will have no record of ever religiously objecting to any other medicine or vaccine before.
TL/DR: Because their "religious" objection to the Covid vax is just made up bull shirt.
Boycott stupid. If you ignore the gator troll, eventually he'll just go back under his bridge.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:48 am
Despite what was originally claimed and thought, Embryonic cells used at Pfizer.
Now with the DoD mandates and people losing their jobs over vaccine refusals, Religious exemptions will be a real thing. The lawsuits will be staggering.
Biden, first with Afghanistan, again getting bad advice when pushing through decisions.
This piece has holes in it that you could drive a freight train through......
What's this lady's CV, for starters? If she's an expert on this stuff, why leave it out?
Taking heavily edited emails---and an obviously heavily edited video doesn't cut it. Let's hold the parade here, Kram, and get some real investigation into these allegations.
This has already been a story, btw, albeit for other vaccines...
The point of the post was a mandate vs religious exception. Is there some precedent stating that the mandate overrules all personal religious beliefs of not being force to inject human parts into ones body?
Hell, you can be sued by a vegan if the dietary content is inaccurate on a box of jello....and win.
There are no human parts in the vaccine. That is a bunch of crap right there. The cells were used in the testing of the vaccine.
Much like this short list...acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft
And if they also abstain from those, the same can apply, no? Not picking a fight, just discussing merit.
If there is a religious exemption? Yes, certainly. They at least have the conviction.
ggait wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:50 pmMuch like this short list...acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft
And if they also abstain from those, the same can apply, no? Not picking a fight, just discussing merit.
Totally agree.
But how many of the folks claiming religious exemptions could pass this test. Close to zero I would guess.
Because their religion has no objection to the Covid vax. And because they personally will have no record of ever religiously objecting to any other medicine or vaccine before.
TL/DR: Because their "religious" objection to the Covid vax is just made up bull shirt.
Here's a perfect example of a dumb ass who folds like a lawn chair once refusing the shot might cost him a few Benjamins.
Note that the NBA laughed off his lame attempt to claim a religious exemption.
TL/DR: When it comes to vax refuse-niks, money talks and bull shirt walks. So AW, just get the shot, collect your $29M salary, and STFU about your BS.
Next up Kyrie. 17 days until the Nets' first home game in Brooklyn. So my $2 is on Kyrie getting his one shot J&J in exactly 3 days (leaving 14 days to get to full vax). Fine to skip the pre-season because of his deeply held beliefs (aka total BS). But actually missing real paychecks.... Come on and get real.
Golden State Warriors swingman Andrew Wiggins on Monday explained his decision to get the COVID-19 vaccine, noting that he felt "forced" to do so in order to continue his NBA career.
"The only options were to get vaccinated or not play in the NBA," Wiggins said after the Warriors' preseason opener at the Portland Trail Blazers, his first public comments since getting the shot. "It was a tough decision. Hopefully, it works out in the long run and in 10 years I'm still healthy."
Wiggins' decision comes after the league recently declined his application for a religious exemption.
Wiggins, 26, went into detail about why he was so hesitant to get the shot, noting that he doesn't hold any ill will toward the Warriors organization for how the situation played out.
"They didn't make the rule," Wiggins said. "But I guess to do certain stuff, to work, I guess you don't own your body. That's what it comes down to. If you want to work in society today, then I guess they made the rules of what goes in your body and what you do. Hopefully, there's a lot of people out there that are stronger than me and keep fighting, stand for what they believe, and hopefully, it works out for them."
Boycott stupid. If you ignore the gator troll, eventually he'll just go back under his bridge.
kyrie's already missing full game checks if he misses preseason (2 home games). they split it including preseason. $380k plus. interesting to see how long he can hold out. or how long the nets can. or nyc.
ggait wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:47 pm
Here's a perfect example of a dumb ass who folds like a lawn chair once refusing the shot might cost him a few Benjamins.
Note that the NBA laughed off his lame attempt to claim a religious exemption.
TL/DR: When it comes to vax refuse-niks, money talks and bull shirt walks. So AW, just get the shot, collect your $29M salary, and STFU about your BS.
Next up Kyrie. 17 days until the Nets' first home game in Brooklyn. So my $2 is on Kyrie getting his one shot J&J in exactly 3 days (leaving 14 days to get to full vax). Fine to skip the pre-season because of his deeply held beliefs (aka total BS). But actually missing real paychecks.... Come on and get real.
Golden State Warriors swingman Andrew Wiggins on Monday explained his decision to get the COVID-19 vaccine, noting that he felt "forced" to do so in order to continue his NBA career.
"The only options were to get vaccinated or not play in the NBA," Wiggins said after the Warriors' preseason opener at the Portland Trail Blazers, his first public comments since getting the shot. "It was a tough decision. Hopefully, it works out in the long run and in 10 years I'm still healthy."
Wiggins' decision comes after the league recently declined his application for a religious exemption.
Wiggins, 26, went into detail about why he was so hesitant to get the shot, noting that he doesn't hold any ill will toward the Warriors organization for how the situation played out.
"They didn't make the rule," Wiggins said. "But I guess to do certain stuff, to work, I guess you don't own your body. That's what it comes down to. If you want to work in society today, then I guess they made the rules of what goes in your body and what you do. Hopefully, there's a lot of people out there that are stronger than me and keep fighting, stand for what they believe, and hopefully, it works out for them."
Kyrie has already posted $175MM in earnings. He’s a strange duck. Grew up in a really nice town in NJ. Andrew Wiggins had a pampered life too. I knew he would cave. Not so sure about Kyrie Irving. He’s just crazy enough to play road games wherever he can.
Dude believe earth was flat. Who knows what Kyrie will do. I still have recordings of games during his senior year of HS. He was ridiculous. I set my DVR whenever they were on.
He’s just crazy enough to play road games wherever he can.
I think Kyrie's end game is to force a trade, buy-out or contract re-negotiation. He isn't interested in playing half time at half pay. Certainly not over a stupid shot.
I wonder what the contract (which never could have anticipated this peculiar situation when written pre-Covid) says on this. Could be that Kyrie might have the Nets in an untenable situation. Since the NBA is not requiring vaccinations, the Nets may not be able to cut him, hold him in breach, or refuse to pay him for away games. Because the reason he can't play at home isn't because of NBA policy; it is because of local law.
So if Kyrie doesn't fold soon, I bet that this is really a contract hold out situation. Not a legit concern about the shot. And that the contract effectively enables Kyrie to use Covid as holdout leverage.
Boycott stupid. If you ignore the gator troll, eventually he'll just go back under his bridge.
ggait wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:50 pmMuch like this short list...acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft
And if they also abstain from those, the same can apply, no? Not picking a fight, just discussing merit.
Totally agree.
But how many of the folks claiming religious exemptions could pass this test. Close to zero I would guess.
Because their religion has no objection to the Covid vax. And because they personally will have no record of ever religiously objecting to any other medicine or vaccine before.
TL/DR: Because their "religious" objection to the Covid vax is just made up bull shirt.
Hard to say any of this, because religion is personal.
And people are fallible. All religions understand that people evolve, change opinions, aren't perfect, and understand the religious teachings may not always be followed, 100% of the time. So asking for "proof" of a person's inner beliefs is impossible.
You can be a practicing _ and still be fully flawed. The "try" is the only requirement.
Additionally, past history and length of practice are irrelevant. Certain events in life make people "find God/religion." Sometimes suddenly upon a revelation or traumatic experience.
ggait wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:50 pmMuch like this short list...acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft
And if they also abstain from those, the same can apply, no? Not picking a fight, just discussing merit.
Totally agree.
But how many of the folks claiming religious exemptions could pass this test. Close to zero I would guess.
Because their religion has no objection to the Covid vax. And because they personally will have no record of ever religiously objecting to any other medicine or vaccine before.
TL/DR: Because their "religious" objection to the Covid vax is just made up bull shirt.
Hard to say any of this, because religion is personal.
And people are fallible. All religions understand that people evolve, change opinions, aren't perfect, and understand the religious teachings may not always be followed, 100% of the time. So asking for "proof" of a person's inner beliefs is impossible.
You can be a practicing _ and still be fully flawed. The "try" is the only requirement.
Additionally, past history and length of practice are irrelevant. Certain events in life make people "find God/religion." Sometimes suddenly upon a revelation or traumatic experience.
+1
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:51 am
Hard to say any of this, because religion is personal.
Additionally, past history and length of practice are irrelevant. Certain events in life make people "find God/religion." Sometimes suddenly upon a revelation or traumatic experience.
adults getting the vaxx look like they have hit about 80% one timers and 68% fully vaxxed. that gap will never fully close it seems, for whatever reasons.
but... 75% fully vaxxed is a realistic possibility. toss in some natural-infected immunity (if it exists) and at some point we might be down to waiting for the next variant, monitoring fading vaxx protection.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:51 am
Hard to say any of this, because religion is personal.
Additionally, past history and length of practice are irrelevant. Certain events in life make people "find God/religion." Sometimes suddenly upon a revelation or traumatic experience.
traumatic..................like loosing you job?
Not sure how one "looses" their job...
But it can be traumatic and "religion inducing" if you are given an ultimatum to inject something into your body that isn't fully understood or disclosed OR losing ones job.
It could certainly make you analyze what you are injecting AND think deeply about what you believe and the boundaries of your personal faith.
People also have "a-ha" moments when they least expect it. Including in the middle of the night, during hours of reflection, any random day of the week.
This discussion makes me feel like I'm back in that Jesuit theology class all those years ago...
