Duke 2022

[Matnum PI]

Curious as to how the Ivies' non 2021 season was calculated in.

gave them a ranking of the average of their ten seasons before this.

11.3 yale
13.5 cornell
19.6 upenn
18.4 pton
23.9 brown
26.9 harvard
50.0 dartmouth

[Farfromgeneva]

This is based on your ranking model correct?

Only for the past few years. For 2005-2017, (I'm 90% sure) it's LaxPower. Then and now, I didn't love the LaxPower rankings (e.g. In 2015, Notre Dame lost in the semis and they finished the season #1. I don't like that.) but, though they were off, they were never far off. So i went with it.

Understood thanks.

[Matnum PI]

1 umd
2 duke
3 nd
4 syr
5 denver
6 loyola
7 uva
8 yale
9 unc
10 jhu
11 cornell
12 tows
13 albany
14 osu
15 psu
16 upenn
17 pton
18 villanova
19 gtown
20 army
21 brown
22 navy
23 umass
24 rutgers
25 lehigh
26 drexel
27 harvard
28 bucknell
29 Marquette
30 stony
31 hofstra
32 bryant
33 stj
34 colgate
35 delaware
36 Robert M
37 umbc
38 hobart
39 fairf
40 Marist
41 Mt. St. M
42 hartford
43 dartmouth...
...there are more teams but I stopped here.

If a team was ranked #1 (and won the national c'ship) one season and #25 the next, I could see how a player would be interested in going there. Heck, you'd leave college with two National C'ship rings. But, for the players who want consistency, the rankings above would better mirror their needs. With this said, several teams (above) surprised me. Specifically, Notre Dame and Denver. Especially Notre Dame. Also Syracuse and Loyola. I would've guessed lower for all four of these teams.

Separately, UMD and Duke are a class above.

[Farfromgeneva]

1 umd
2 duke
3 nd
4 syr
5 denver
6 loyola
7 uva
8 yale
9 unc
10 jhu
11 cornell
12 tows
13 albany
14 osu
15 psu
16 upenn
17 pton
18 villanova
19 gtown
20 army
21 brown
22 navy
23 umass
24 rutgers
25 lehigh
26 drexel
27 harvard
28 bucknell
29 Marquette
30 stony
31 hofstra
32 bryant
33 stj
34 colgate
35 delaware
36 Robert M
37 umbc
38 hobart
39 fairf
40 Marist
41 Mt. St. M
42 hartford
43 dartmouth...
...there are more teams but I stopped here.

If a team was ranked #1 (and won the national c'ship) one season and #25 the next, I could see how a player would be interested in going there. Heck, you'd leave college with two National C'ship rings. But, for the players who want consistency, the rankings above would better mirror their needs. With this said, several teams (above) surprised me. Specifically, Notre Dame and Denver. Especially Notre Dame. Also Syracuse and Loyola. I would've guessed lower for all four of these teams.

Separately, UMD and Duke are a class above.

You probably need to tweak your model to account for the big ten bumps and move then all 5-10 spots forward.

[HGK25]

Given kids being recruited now were born in 2005 i think backdating that far (albeit lower weighted) is probably too big a sample. They have no clue or care that Georgetown for example was a very strong program back then. Nor do they really care that they fell off for a bunch of years. If the thought is where kids want to go, have success in classroom and on field now, i’d tighten the sample set to last 5-7 years max.

[Matnum PI]

You probably need to tweak your model to account for the big ten bumps and move then all 5-10 spots forward.

what does that mean?

[Matnum PI]

Given kids being recruited now were born in 2005 i think backdating that far (albeit lower weighted) is probably too big a sample. They have no clue or care that Georgetown for example was a very strong program back then. Nor do they really care that they fell off for a bunch of years. If the thought is where kids want to go, have success in classroom and on field now, i’d tighten the sample set to last 5-7 years max.

It wasn't for kids recruiting, etc. It was to decide which NCAA teams to include in the FanLax Fantasy League. It's a keeper league so adding and removing NCAA teams matters. Albany would have a good year and fantasy coaches would scream "We should add Albany!" and I felt like they would disappear after Thompson graduated or whatever so... I needed something analytical to steer me/us. Bucknell and many other teams are more examples. This model answers the question, who are the top teams for the long haul?

Anyway, my point was/is... UMD and Duke are really good.

[HGK25]

Got it. Misunderstood the premise.

[Farfromgeneva]

You probably need to tweak your model to account for the big ten bumps and move then all 5-10 spots forward.

what does that mean?

Joke. There’s a lot of SEC football light, I’m better by affiliation going on these days

[Farfromgeneva]

Given kids being recruited now were born in 2005 i think backdating that far (albeit lower weighted) is probably too big a sample. They have no clue or care that Georgetown for example was a very strong program back then. Nor do they really care that they fell off for a bunch of years. If the thought is where kids want to go, have success in classroom and on field now, i’d tighten the sample set to last 5-7 years max.

It wasn't for kids recruiting, etc. It was to decide which NCAA teams to include in the FanLax Fantasy League. It's a keeper league so adding and removing NCAA teams matters. Albany would have a good year and fantasy coaches would scream "We should add Albany!" and I felt like they would disappear after Thompson graduated or whatever so... I needed something analytical to steer me/us. Bucknell and many other teams are more examples. This model answers the question, who are the top teams for the long haul?

Anyway, my point was/is... UMD and Duke are really good.

Where is that cutoff? 25-30 territory?

[Matnum PI]

Where is that cutoff? 25-30 territory?

24 NCAA teams. The lowest ranked NCAA Team is Fairfield. They squeaked in 2004 when we started the league. Teams like Albany, Villanova, and Brown should replace Fairfield, UMBC, and Hofstra but... All in good time. We only make NCAA team changes when it's really necessary. We haven't changed NCAA teams since we dropped Dartmouth and Hobart and added Denver and (I think) Yale.

[Farfromgeneva]

Where is that cutoff? 25-30 territory?

24 NCAA teams. The lowest ranked NCAA Team is Fairfield. They squeaked in 2004 when we started the league. Teams like Albany, Villanova, and Brown should replace Fairfield, UMBC, and Hofstra but... All in good time. We only make NCAA team changes when it's really necessary. We haven't changed NCAA teams since we dropped Dartmouth and Hobart and added Denver and (I think) Yale.

Roger that, thanks. One day Hobart will make it back in…p

[Matnum PI]

Roger that, thanks. One day Hobart will make it back in…p

Back when the league started, Hobart had some great, great players. And for many years after. Dartmouth, too. And... I'll stop. Duke.

[Farfromgeneva]

Roger that, thanks. One day Hobart will make it back in…p

Back when the league started, Hobart had some great, great players. And for many years after. Dartmouth, too. And... I'll stop. Duke.

Why hijacks are part of the game. And as a hop fan pointed out jonsuke fans are around to notice. But yeah we were in a spiral after 2008 between AD mess and kerwick. Took Raymond plus five years of TW to get back to being around top 20-30 which has been the case basically since 2016 (2018 being the exception but the other years were solid to better than that)

[InsiderRoll]

Is there a team in another sport that is consistently a title contender year after year, and yet still has exactly 0 fans?

John’s Hopkins was a good example, except now they don’t compete for championships.

This joke makes sense on 0 levels.

[HopFan16]

Quick, save it with #memes!

[InsiderRoll]

Quick, save it with #memes!

Hmmm, how could Hopkins, 0 Fans, and not competing for championshipships lately be related. Hmmm.

[Farfromgeneva]

You stole that form Jimmy!

[44WeWantMore]

Is there a team in another sport that is consistently a title contender year after year, and yet still has exactly 0 fans?

FFG jokes about Nifong, but I believe this plays a part in the phenomenon you note. It certainly does in my case.

With a Duke diploma above my laptop as I type, I think I can fairly say this: During the hoax, we learned that Duke was entirely populated by haters and cowards. Not one person of any prominence at Duke even paid lip service to Due Process in public. Not even Coach K, who was untouchable, and had a *Leadership Institute* bearing his name at the Fuqua School of Business. Later, in a long article somebody linked from FanLax, we learned that the *only* concern of Duke's administrators was the Duke brand.

Now, maybe Hopkins is no better. Point is, we don't know. We do know in Duke's case.

[Farfromgeneva]

Is there a team in another sport that is consistently a title contender year after year, and yet still has exactly 0 fans?

FFG jokes about Nifong, but I believe this plays a part in the phenomenon you note. It certainly does in my case.

With a Duke diploma above my laptop as I type, I think I can fairly say this: During the hoax, we learned that Duke was entirely populated by haters and cowards. Not one person of any prominence at Duke even paid lip service to Due Process in public. Not even Coach K, who was untouchable, and had a *Leadership Institute* bearing his name at the Fuqua School of Business. Later, in a long article somebody linked from FanLax, we learned that the *only* concern of Duke's administrators was the Duke brand.

Now, maybe Hopkins is no better. Point is, we don't know. We do know in Duke's case.

Interesting point-times will change as will personnel but I won’t let my kids go to Duke. They were entrusted with kids and sold them out flat out, to cater to a cohort of fighters and protesters without any evidence. I was more joking about the whining about those kids getting an extra year and old allegations it was the ncaa in conspiracy w Duke to prop up their lacrosse program.

May have been me on article as I read a New Yorker piece when it was going down and it always stuck with me. Going back to it’s roots as a tobacco backed school then buying its way into elite academic status by overpaying prominent liberal arts professors and being a “newbie” in an old school world.

Was this the piece?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006 ... -on-campus