JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:18 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:15 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:04 pm
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:01 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:37 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:47 pm
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:32 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:18 pm
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:48 pm
ggait wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:14 pm
Please use the same search function to find and blast all the hypocritical Psaki apologists...
You know, the ones who who were criticizing everything the Trump PR crew was doing?
False equivalency is still false.
There's a world of difference between Psaki and Spicer et al.
There is a difference all right...Psaki happens to be a more competent liar than the Trump people. GMAFB.
GMAFB
Ahhh, you mean she tells the truth but not the "whole truth" at every moment?
You gotta give us some actual examples of when she's "competent" in an actual lie.
Easy with these other folks...they lied egregiously again and again and again...
You'll give me some BS reply but oh WTH...
So, evasion, distortion, and obfuscation aren't forms of lying?
Note to self... this should be good.
You gotta give us some specific examples of such that were provably lying.
It's easy with these other cats.
But no, "evasion" is not lying. It's refusing to lie.
Is it immediately disclosing the truth? Absolutely not. But it's not a form of lying.
"distortion" might well be a lie if it purposely gives a false impression. But is it false? is the question or is it simply perspective? Show us some examples and why they're actual lies.
"obfuscation" exactly the same as above...could be, might not be...show us some specific examples and why they were actually false. And knowably so to the press secretary.
Again, we had rampant, outright lying from the press secretaries during the prior Admin. A barrage of such. And long periods from them of not even taking questions at all, the bloody job. It's simply not a close call.
Admit that and we can then fairly parse whether Psaki has actually lied as yet in her communications job.
The Mental Gymnastics that you use to obsfucate the fact that you are wrong never ceases to amaze. It's doesn't make you a better person, it makes you self-serving and you wonder why you get the pushback you do. It's simply amazing
Joe
It's no use joe, mdlax engages in confirmation bias with himself
A frightening amount of the time, I guess when you do it so much, you become unaware that you are even engaging in such behavior. Great observation!
Joe
Hey, Joe, if you want to help a brother out, just help tech find some actual examples of Psaki provably lying.
I await an actual fact based response.
Or... stop with the personal attacks.
Even for the Biden White House, Jen Psaki’s latest whopper stands out: The press secretary actually said that the vast tide of migrants crossing the southern border is “not intending to stay here for a lengthy period of time.”
Hmm: Most of them have traveled over a thousand miles from south of Mexico — often enduring privation, violence and even rape along the way — to get to the United States. But it’s not in hopes of a better life here?
Right: They just pined for a short vacation in south Texas. Guess that’s her explanation for why so many “applicants for asylum” never show up for their court dates: Vacay over, they just walked the thousand miles back home.
Plus, Psaki offered this bunk as she tried to avoid the gaping contradiction on vaccination rules. Team Biden just announced that it will start letting vaccinated travelers from dozens of nations finally visit America again (come November), while still denying entry to the un-jabbed.
But the administration is not demanding vaccinations for the countless illegal border-crossers that it’s allowing in. Why? Because “it’s not the same thing,” explained Psaki, before moving on to her “not intending to stay” lie.
MD,
There you go. Just one of many...
Joe
Thanks...much better response.
The second is not lying, it's an explanation. You don't like the policy difference explanation perhaps, but it's definitely not lying.
I'll track down the first one as I'm not aware of it and its context. Sounds dumb to me too, in the meantime.
EDIT: I had a heck of a time finding it within a very long press conferences, lots of detailed questions and answers on all sorts of topics.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... r-20-2021/
Found series of questions and follow ups on Haiti that didn't include that statement. Then a discussion of vaccination requirements for travelers and a follow to why not for the Haitians coming across the border and this statement.
She's clearly not actually referring to migrant intent, generally, nor even the hope of these particular Haitians...she's referring to the US intent to send them back, which is indeed the current policy. But it's poorly phrased, easily misunderstood the way right wing media has purposely...it's indeed be a dumb statement to say the Haitians want to go back as soon as they can.
Man, I wouldn't want to have to defend this policy!
Presumably none of the Haitians have been vaccinated. Haiti is in complete meltdown, food and medicine shortages at extreme levels, violence...vaccinations?
so, the assumption definitely should be these desperate migrants are not yet vaccinated. Sure, we may be quarantine them and then sending them back to Haiti, but that's going to be a debacle.
I'd be lining the folks up for shots in arms, registering their identities best we can (biometrics) and then moving them to camps for further processing...as quickly as we can.
Personally, I'd be giving virtually all of them asylum, certainly all the families.
But the US populace hasn't elected legislators ready to do so.