Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

[MDlaxfan76]

No one has ever called me a "right winger" before. Not sure how to feel. Probably need a couple of beers to think it over. When's lunch?

viewtopic.php?p=285847#p285847


Well you know some folks would call it flattery.

But my reference was to your comment about me "I am just saying that there is no effort at discussion, only indictment based on a false narrative."

I see no such reply to the matter of "being six". No effort at discussion, just innuendo. Let's see you direct the words "there is no effort at discussion" to him just to set the record straight.

Yeah, that post you linked was indeed far closer to "trolling" than anything in the immediate last days above on this thread. Funny that you still don't see it.

[Brooklyn]

you just quoted it: ''six''

no substantive reply, just innuendo

[MDlaxfan76]

you just quoted it: ''six''

Yup, a sharp retort.
But in response to an incendiary, over the top post from you.
Emotions are high about the people who may lose their lives in Afghanistan because they helped Americans, often saving American lives, because we fail to give them safe harbor in time.

so, a sharp retort.

If it had gotten worse, then sure, a 'personal attack' and thus 'unsportsmanlike conduct' under that rule.
But not trolling.

Go back to the definition of "trolling" posted in the rules.

Here, I'll help (again):

Post by admin » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:31 am

Added to forum rules within Unsportsmanlike Conduct
SECTION 4. No post-er shall:
...
d. Troll and/or commit other Russian 'bot and/or other Putinesque behaviors. A troll is someone who uses over-the-top opinions or unverified claims to incite others, stir up controversy, and change a civilized discussion into a battleground.

[Brooklyn]

change a civilized discussion into a battleground

suggesting that one is or may not be at least age six would seem to fit that bill - had I directed that to you I'm sure you'd see it that way

[youthathletics]

No one has ever called me a "right winger" before. Not sure how to feel. Probably need a couple of beers to think it over. When's lunch?

You win the internet today....thanks for the laugh, out loud.

[PizzaSnake]

News report indicates that the USA is going to allow thousands of new immigrants from Afghanistan. Where's the outrage from the right wingers who say we don't need new immigrants?

At this stage, with millions crossing into the US from Mexico, no one would even notice a few thousand afghanis.

The question I have of Democrats is: are you really okay with a borderless America? So far as I can tell, America no longer cares who comes into our country. It’s open borders on the southern line. No one is turned back.

On the contrary, the government is turning back people:


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/02/us/p ... covid.html


Please get your facts straight.



Now let's see the government do the same to Afghanis seeking to enter.

[youthathletics]

Supreme Court rules Biden may not suspend Trump-era 'remain in Mexico' policy for migrants

https://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-ru ... 58758.html

[Brooklyn]

Biden again proves that he is turning people back:


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-aut ... 021-09-18/


U.S. authorities moved some 2,000 people to other immigration processing stations on Friday from a Texas border town that has been overwhelmed by an influx of Haitian and other migrants, the Department of Homeland Security said on Saturday.

Such transfers will continue "in order to ensure that irregular migrants are swiftly taken into custody, processed, and removed from the United States consistent with our laws and policy," DHS said in a statement.

While some migrants seeking jobs and safety have been making their way to the United States for weeks or months, it is only in recent days that the number converging on Del Rio, Texas, has drawn widespread attention, posing a humanitarian and political challenge for the Biden administration.

DHS said that in response to the migrants sheltering in increasingly poor conditions under the Del Rio International Bridge that connects the Texas city with Ciudad Acuna in Mexico, it was accelerating flights to Haiti and other destinations within the next 72 hours.

DHS added it was working with nations where the migrants began their journeys - for many of the Haitians, countries such as Brazil and Chile - to accept returned migrants. Officials on both sides of the border said most of the migrants were Haitians.

Haitian Prime Minister Ariel Henry expressed solidarity with the mass of migrants at the border in a series of posts on social media late on Saturday, saying "arrangements have already been made" to warmly receive those who return to the Caribbean nation.

"I share their suffering and say to them welcome home," he wrote.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection was sending 400 additional agents to the Del Rio sector in the coming days, DHS said, after the border agency said on Friday that due to the influx it was temporarily closing Del Rio's port of entry and re-routing traffic to Eagle Pass, 57 miles (92 km) east.

"We have reiterated that our borders are not open, and people should not make the dangerous journey," a DHS spokesperson told Reuters.

Del Rio's mayor, Bruno Lozano, said in a video on Saturday night that there were now just over 14,000 migrants under the bridge.

(GRAPHIC: Border Apprehensions: https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-IMMIGR ... lpyoalapg/)

As it became clear U.S. authorities were sending migrants back to their homelands, Mexican police officers began asking migrants who were buying food in Ciudad Acuna to return to the American side of the river on Saturday morning, according to Reuters witnesses. The migrants argued they needed supplies, and police eventually relented.

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A migrant man seeking refuge in the United States walks back into the Mexican side carrying his daughter while crossing the Rio Bravo river which divides the border between Ciudad Acuna, Mexico and Del Rio, Texas, U.S., to avoid being deported, in Ciudad Acuna, Mexico, September 19, 2021. REUTERS/Daniel Becerril
Some thousands of migrants take shelter as they await to be processed near the Del Rio International Bridge after crossing the Rio Grande river into the U.S. from Ciudad Acuna in Del Rio, Texas, U.S. September 18, 2021. Picture taken with a drone. REUTERS/Adrees Latif
Migrants seeking asylum in the U.S. walk in the Rio Grande river near the International Bridge between Mexico and the U.S., as they wait to be processed, in Ciudad Acuna, Mexico, September 18, 2021. Migrants cross back and forth into Mexico to buy food and supplies. REUTERS/Go Nakamura


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Some thousands of migrants take shelter as they await to be processed near the Del Rio International Bridge after crossing the Rio Grande river into the U.S. from Ciudad Acuna in Del Rio, Texas, U.S. September 18, 2021. Picture taken with a drone. REUTERS/Adrees Latif



On the Texas side, Haitians have been joined by Cubans, Venezuelans and Nicaraguans under the Del Rio bridge, where migrants say conditions are deteriorating.

"There is urine, feces and we are sleeping next to garbage," said Venezuelan migrant Michael Vargas, 30, who has been at the camp with his wife and two children for three days.

Vargas said they had been given ticket number 16,000 and authorities were currently processing number 9,800. He said people were being separated into three groups: single men, single women and families.

Jeff Jeune, a 27-year-old Haitian, was among several migrants who said it was taking longer to process families than single adults, leaving young children sleeping on the ground in clobbering 99 degree Fahrenheit (37 degrees Celsius) heat. Jeune said his two sons, ages 1 and 10, had fallen ill with fever and cold-like symptoms.

In two photos sent to Reuters by a migrant at the camp, dozens of adults and children are shown squeezed together under the bridge, some sitting on cardboard or thin blankets spread on the packed dirt. Belongings were stacked in neat piles. There appear to be tents made of reeds and wooden sticks in the background.

Typically, migrants who arrive at the border and turn themselves in to officials can claim asylum if they fear being returned to their home country, triggering a long court process. The Trump administration whittled away at protections, arguing many asylum claims were false.

A sweeping U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention public health order known as Title 42, issued under the Trump administration at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic, allows most migrants to be quickly expelled without a chance of claiming asylum. President Joe Biden has kept that rule in place though he exempted unaccompanied minors and his administration has not been expelling most families.

A judge ruled Thursday the policy could not be applied to families, but the ruling does not go into effect for two weeks and the Biden administration is appealing it in court.

A mass expulsion of Haitians at Del Rio is sure to anger immigration advocates who say such returns are inhumane considering the conditions in Haiti, the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere. In July, Haiti's president was assassinated, and in August a major earthquake and powerful storm hit the country.

The Biden administration extended temporary deportation relief to around 150,000 Haitians in the United States earlier this year. That relief does not apply to new arrivals. Deportation and expulsion differ technically - expulsion is much quicker.

U.S. officials briefly halted removals to Haiti following an Aug. 14 earthquake.

The number of Haitian migrants arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border has been steadily rising this year along with an overall increase in migrants, according to CBP data.

Many of the Haitians interviewed by Reuters said they used to live in South America and were headed north now because they could not attain legal status or struggled to secure decent jobs. Several told Reuters they followed routes shared on WhatsApp to reach Del Rio.

More than a dozen Haitians in southern Mexico's Tapachula, near the border with Guatemala, told Reuters on Friday that messages in WhatsApp groups spread lies about the ease of crossing the border.






Haitians sent back, Afghans welcomed with open arms. Double standards, as usual. But at least we don't have the open borders we saw under Reagan and Bush who were hell bent on getting as much cheap labor as they could. Then, they refused to prosecute those capitalists who hired illegals but succeeded in blaming Democrats for the influx of all those illegals.

[youthathletics]

Hmmmm....

[cradleandshoot]

Hmmmm....

Maybe they are all damn good swimmers?

[jhu72]

Many if not most have been working in Central America for a number of years. They haven't seen Haiti in years. They are largely economic refugees. Hurricanes in the Caribbean and Central America last 5 years have contributed to failing economies (climate change). Pandemic of course has contributed as well. There is also political unrest in Haiti contributing to problems. Vast majority of them are going to get a free plane ride back to Haiti.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Simple questions are answered by the magic of the internet. The more you know..

https://apnews.com/article/technology-m ... d2d800f3ce

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 419170002/

[old salt]

Useful technical info for evaluating the horse whipping of Haitian migrants at Del Rio.
Watch the video -- when the CBP rider twirls the rein in his R hand, the horse turns L.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/ret ... narrative/
Retired Mounted Border Patrol Supervisor Debunks Dems’ ‘Whipping’ Narrative
By ISAAC SCHORR
September 24, 2021

The Biden administration and Democratic lawmakers have bought into a lie about the Border Patrol agents doing their best to address the humanitarian crisis unfolding in Del Rio, Texas.

The lie — that mounted Border Patrol agents were recorded “whipping” Haitian migrants as they tried to cross the Rio Grande into the U.S. — was spread by partisan journalists and activists on Twitter, and quickly picked up White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki. This despite the fact that none of the existing photo and video evidence show any migrants being struck with what the mainstream press now admit were reins, not “whips,” as they initially claimed.

Democratic congresswoman Maxine Waters compared the Border Patrol agents to slave owners. Psaki condemned the “brutal and inappropriate measures” employed by agents at the border. She later announced that the Del Rio Border Patrol would no longer be permitted to use horses.

On Friday, President Biden himself weighed in, declaring that the mounted agents “will pay,” and opining that “it’s beyond an embarrassment. It’s dangerous, it’s wrong.” The agents have already been suspended pending a DHS investigation.

He also asserted that “people [are] being strapped.” Notably, the photographer responsible for some of the most widely circulated photos of these incidents has told a local NBC affiliate that “I’ve never seen them whip anyone.”

George Syer, a retired horse patrol coordinator in the Rio Grande Valley and Border Patrol supervisor told National Review that the mounted agents were acting according to standard procedure — a fact he said would be obvious to anyone with even a passing familiarity with horses.

“Spinning the rein is what we do and any horse person that trains horses and has to deal with them, you will find out that they normally spin the end of the rope, and that gets the horse moving,” Syer said.

“It’s a training tool, and it’s a training aid if a horse does not want to cooperate with its rider,” explained Syer, and an especially useful one if “you have people in front of the horse and they’re 10 to 15 feet away and they’re raising their arms, they have bags, they’re trying to be aggressive in their body language — this horse does not want to go over there. If you need to apply additional pressure to that horse in order to make him go, you can spin the two-feet tail of your rein and the horse is gonna go away from the sound of that spinning rein and also the visual of it, because he can see it on the one eye that you’re spinning, that same side. Remember, a horse’s eyes are on the sides of its head.”

Syer added that the primary safety priority of riders is to prevent a collision between human and horse, emphasizing that “everything is to prevent that horse from making contact with a human being — everything.”

It follows then that in Syer’s estimation, the White House has erred not just in its diagnosis of what’s happening on the ground, but in its treatment plan.

“There are a bunch of cities all across America that deploy horses in a crowd control capacity,” he noted, arguing that that’s because the animals provide certain strategic advantages and act as a “force multiplier” when the Border Patrol is overwhelmed, as it right now. The Bureau of Land Management’s website observes that horses are “ideal” for traversing “the rugged and remote terrain, the Border Patrol is responsible for securing” as a result of their inherent “strength, endurance, agility, and intelligence.”

Moreover, Syer observed, every mounted agent receives “some of the most rigorous mounted horse training in the world” during an intensive six-week program.
“I would want to have all of the horses in the entire Border Patrol there just to make a perimeter around those camps,” said Syer.

Instead of stripping tools from Border Patrol, the administration should be working to ameliorate the crisis that forced them to use those tools in the first place, a former senior Border Patrol official told National Review.
Both Syer and the more senior official emphasized that morale Border Patrol morale is collapsing due to the Biden administration’s misguided policies and heated rhetoric.

“You give this agency and these agents an impossible mission, and then when they try to accomplish it, you say disparaging things about them,” the senior official said.

Syer was similarly frustrated, but remains confident in the agents on the ground.

“The men and women in the United States Border Patrol we have been dealing with the worst locations in the United States for our assignments, and we continually come and do our jobs with integrity and honor and the off switch does not exist,” he said.

[youthathletics]

Useful technical info for evaluating the horse whipping of Haitian migrants at Del Rio.
Watch the video -- when the CBP rider twirls the rein in his R hand, the horse turns L.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/ret ... narrative/
Retired Mounted Border Patrol Supervisor Debunks Dems’ ‘Whipping’ Narrative
By ISAAC SCHORR
September 24, 2021

The Biden administration and Democratic lawmakers have bought into a lie about the Border Patrol agents doing their best to address the humanitarian crisis unfolding in Del Rio, Texas.

The lie — that mounted Border Patrol agents were recorded “whipping” Haitian migrants as they tried to cross the Rio Grande into the U.S. — was spread by partisan journalists and activists on Twitter, and quickly picked up White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki. This despite the fact that none of the existing photo and video evidence show any migrants being struck with what the mainstream press now admit were reins, not “whips,” as they initially claimed.

Democratic congresswoman Maxine Waters compared the Border Patrol agents to slave owners. Psaki condemned the “brutal and inappropriate measures” employed by agents at the border. She later announced that the Del Rio Border Patrol would no longer be permitted to use horses.

On Friday, President Biden himself weighed in, declaring that the mounted agents “will pay,” and opining that “it’s beyond an embarrassment. It’s dangerous, it’s wrong.” The agents have already been suspended pending a DHS investigation.

He also asserted that “people [are] being strapped.” Notably, the photographer responsible for some of the most widely circulated photos of these incidents has told a local NBC affiliate that “I’ve never seen them whip anyone.”

George Syer, a retired horse patrol coordinator in the Rio Grande Valley and Border Patrol supervisor told National Review that the mounted agents were acting according to standard procedure — a fact he said would be obvious to anyone with even a passing familiarity with horses.

“Spinning the rein is what we do and any horse person that trains horses and has to deal with them, you will find out that they normally spin the end of the rope, and that gets the horse moving,” Syer said.

“It’s a training tool, and it’s a training aid if a horse does not want to cooperate with its rider,” explained Syer, and an especially useful one if “you have people in front of the horse and they’re 10 to 15 feet away and they’re raising their arms, they have bags, they’re trying to be aggressive in their body language — this horse does not want to go over there. If you need to apply additional pressure to that horse in order to make him go, you can spin the two-feet tail of your rein and the horse is gonna go away from the sound of that spinning rein and also the visual of it, because he can see it on the one eye that you’re spinning, that same side. Remember, a horse’s eyes are on the sides of its head.”

Syer added that the primary safety priority of riders is to prevent a collision between human and horse, emphasizing that “everything is to prevent that horse from making contact with a human being — everything.”

It follows then that in Syer’s estimation, the White House has erred not just in its diagnosis of what’s happening on the ground, but in its treatment plan.

“There are a bunch of cities all across America that deploy horses in a crowd control capacity,” he noted, arguing that that’s because the animals provide certain strategic advantages and act as a “force multiplier” when the Border Patrol is overwhelmed, as it right now. The Bureau of Land Management’s website observes that horses are “ideal” for traversing “the rugged and remote terrain, the Border Patrol is responsible for securing” as a result of their inherent “strength, endurance, agility, and intelligence.”

Moreover, Syer observed, every mounted agent receives “some of the most rigorous mounted horse training in the world” during an intensive six-week program.
“I would want to have all of the horses in the entire Border Patrol there just to make a perimeter around those camps,” said Syer.

Instead of stripping tools from Border Patrol, the administration should be working to ameliorate the crisis that forced them to use those tools in the first place, a former senior Border Patrol official told National Review.
Both Syer and the more senior official emphasized that morale Border Patrol morale is collapsing due to the Biden administration’s misguided policies and heated rhetoric.

“You give this agency and these agents an impossible mission, and then when they try to accomplish it, you say disparaging things about them,” the senior official said.

Syer was similarly frustrated, but remains confident in the agents on the ground.

“The men and women in the United States Border Patrol we have been dealing with the worst locations in the United States for our assignments, and we continually come and do our jobs with integrity and honor and the off switch does not exist,” he said.

We were told Psaki, Harris and Biden do not lie...certainly embarrassing what they are doing to CBP law enforcement and just out right lying, perpetuating hate, with vidoe evidence to prove it. Even the person the took the photographs of the mounted CBP officer acknowledge it was not as our POTUS claims.

It's clear as day to me, that the past three administrations (at a minimum), are intentionally tearing us all apart at the seems. Far too many instances of clear and outright ignorance, downright lying, and intentional divisiveness. I suppose the 'spice' in reference to the Dune discussion yesterday, seems to truly be power, via bullying and provoking, through sadistic behavior from those in the elite gov't club.

Maybe the fresh cup of coffee and brisk 52 deg. OA this morning, has provided a somber reality of something latent going on that has not yet been revealed, to us all. I'll stop there, otherwise I could start writing as Frank Herbert has.

[Kismet]

We were told Psaki, Harris and Biden do not lie...certainly embarrassing what they are doing to CBP law enforcement and just out right lying, perpetuating hate, with vidoe evidence to prove it. Even the person the took the photographs of the mounted CBP officer acknowledge it was not as our POTUS claims.

It's clear as day to me, that the past three administrations (at a minimum), are intentionally tearing us all apart at the seems. Far too many instances of clear and outright ignorance, downright lying, and intentional divisiveness. I suppose the 'spice' in reference to the Dune discussion yesterday, seems to truly be power, via bullying and provoking, through sadistic behavior from those in the elite gov't club.

Maybe the fresh cup of coffee and brisk 52 deg. OA this morning, has provided a somber reality of something latent going on that has not yet been revealed, to us all. I'll stop there, otherwise I could start writing as Frank Herbert has.

For not going down that rabbithole.....welcome to it.....

The idea that politicians just starting spinning facts to gain advantage and ignoring truth starting in 2008 is ludicrous. Perhaps a shot of spice in that cup of joe.

Anybody who thinks the current crowd is to be believed 100% of the time should have their spice ration reduced.

I'd still like to know how 15,000 Haitian refugees mostly from Brazil and Chile (after having resided in those places for YEARS) all decided to leave and have now ended up at the same remote border location in Texas at the same time?. That's no accident or coincidence IMHO.

[youthathletics]

We were told Psaki, Harris and Biden do not lie...certainly embarrassing what they are doing to CBP law enforcement and just out right lying, perpetuating hate, with vidoe evidence to prove it. Even the person the took the photographs of the mounted CBP officer acknowledge it was not as our POTUS claims.

It's clear as day to me, that the past three administrations (at a minimum), are intentionally tearing us all apart at the seems. Far too many instances of clear and outright ignorance, downright lying, and intentional divisiveness. I suppose the 'spice' in reference to the Dune discussion yesterday, seems to truly be power, via bullying and provoking, through sadistic behavior from those in the elite gov't club.

Maybe the fresh cup of coffee and brisk 52 deg. OA this morning, has provided a somber reality of something latent going on that has not yet been revealed, to us all. I'll stop there, otherwise I could start writing as Frank Herbert has.

For not going down that rabbithole.....welcome to it.....

The idea that politicians just starting spinning facts to gain advantage and ignoring truth starting in 2008 is ludicrous. Perhaps a shot of spice in that cup of joe.

Anybody who thinks the current crowd is to be believed 100% of the time should have their spice ration reduced.

I'd still like to know how and why most of those Haitians decided to go to the border now after being in South America for YEARS.

The difference, is I didn't drag anyone down there with me, just commentary, no leading questions. You should try it.

Again, there was no need to go back 20 plus years. I suppose, in the era of internet content, our leadership hasnt caught on that their BS is much easier to figure out....their argument that we can vote for change, is really just the equivalent of wearing underwear inside out.

That's easy....b/c they were all invited.

[Kismet]

We were told Psaki, Harris and Biden do not lie...certainly embarrassing what they are doing to CBP law enforcement and just out right lying, perpetuating hate, with vidoe evidence to prove it. Even the person the took the photographs of the mounted CBP officer acknowledge it was not as our POTUS claims.

It's clear as day to me, that the past three administrations (at a minimum), are intentionally tearing us all apart at the seems. Far too many instances of clear and outright ignorance, downright lying, and intentional divisiveness. I suppose the 'spice' in reference to the Dune discussion yesterday, seems to truly be power, via bullying and provoking, through sadistic behavior from those in the elite gov't club.

Maybe the fresh cup of coffee and brisk 52 deg. OA this morning, has provided a somber reality of something latent going on that has not yet been revealed, to us all. I'll stop there, otherwise I could start writing as Frank Herbert has.

For not going down that rabbithole.....welcome to it.....

The idea that politicians just starting spinning facts to gain advantage and ignoring truth starting in 2008 is ludicrous. Perhaps a shot of spice in that cup of joe.

Anybody who thinks the current crowd is to be believed 100% of the time should have their spice ration reduced.

I'd still like to know how and why most of those Haitians decided to go to the border now after being in South America for YEARS.

The difference, is I didn't drag anyone down there with me, just commentary, no leading questions. You should try it.

Again, there was no need to go back 20 plus years. I suppose, in the era of internet content, our leadership hasnt caught on that their BS is much easier to figure out....their argument that we can vote for change, is really just the equivalent of wearing underwear inside out.

That's easy....b/c they were all invited.

Sure, make yourself feel better any way possible even at the bottom of said rabbithole you said you weren't in.

Kindly cite a credible source for the invitation to all these folks - must have been quite specific as the only migrant respondees appear to be Haitian refugees mostly from Brazil and Chile....did all the other migrants not get the same memo/invitation

[Farfromgeneva]

We were told Psaki, Harris and Biden do not lie...certainly embarrassing what they are doing to CBP law enforcement and just out right lying, perpetuating hate, with vidoe evidence to prove it. Even the person the took the photographs of the mounted CBP officer acknowledge it was not as our POTUS claims.

It's clear as day to me, that the past three administrations (at a minimum), are intentionally tearing us all apart at the seems. Far too many instances of clear and outright ignorance, downright lying, and intentional divisiveness. I suppose the 'spice' in reference to the Dune discussion yesterday, seems to truly be power, via bullying and provoking, through sadistic behavior from those in the elite gov't club.

Maybe the fresh cup of coffee and brisk 52 deg. OA this morning, has provided a somber reality of something latent going on that has not yet been revealed, to us all. I'll stop there, otherwise I could start writing as Frank Herbert has.

For not going down that rabbithole.....welcome to it.....

The idea that politicians just starting spinning facts to gain advantage and ignoring truth starting in 2008 is ludicrous. Perhaps a shot of spice in that cup of joe.

Anybody who thinks the current crowd is to be believed 100% of the time should have their spice ration reduced.

I'd still like to know how and why most of those Haitians decided to go to the border now after being in South America for YEARS.

The difference, is I didn't drag anyone down there with me, just commentary, no leading questions. You should try it.

Again, there was no need to go back 20 plus years. I suppose, in the era of internet content, our leadership hasnt caught on that their BS is much easier to figure out....their argument that we can vote for change, is really just the equivalent of wearing underwear inside out.

That's easy....b/c they were all invited.

You don't like or believe in this?

[youthathletics]

We were told Psaki, Harris and Biden do not lie...certainly embarrassing what they are doing to CBP law enforcement and just out right lying, perpetuating hate, with vidoe evidence to prove it. Even the person the took the photographs of the mounted CBP officer acknowledge it was not as our POTUS claims.

It's clear as day to me, that the past three administrations (at a minimum), are intentionally tearing us all apart at the seems. Far too many instances of clear and outright ignorance, downright lying, and intentional divisiveness. I suppose the 'spice' in reference to the Dune discussion yesterday, seems to truly be power, via bullying and provoking, through sadistic behavior from those in the elite gov't club.

Maybe the fresh cup of coffee and brisk 52 deg. OA this morning, has provided a somber reality of something latent going on that has not yet been revealed, to us all. I'll stop there, otherwise I could start writing as Frank Herbert has.

For not going down that rabbithole.....welcome to it.....

The idea that politicians just starting spinning facts to gain advantage and ignoring truth starting in 2008 is ludicrous. Perhaps a shot of spice in that cup of joe.

Anybody who thinks the current crowd is to be believed 100% of the time should have their spice ration reduced.

I'd still like to know how and why most of those Haitians decided to go to the border now after being in South America for YEARS.

The difference, is I didn't drag anyone down there with me, just commentary, no leading questions. You should try it.

Again, there was no need to go back 20 plus years. I suppose, in the era of internet content, our leadership hasnt caught on that their BS is much easier to figure out....their argument that we can vote for change, is really just the equivalent of wearing underwear inside out.

That's easy....b/c they were all invited.

Sure, make yourself feel better any way possible even at the bottom of said rabbithole you said you weren't in.

Kindly cite a credible source for the invitation to all these folks - must have been quite specific as the only migrant respondees appear to be Haitian refugees mostly from Brazil and Chile....did all the other migrants not get the same memo/invitation

The invitation was the fact that the doors are now open. There is a new sheriff in town, with a limp and wet handshake, who cares less about the border. Much like house parties in HS....the parents are away, let's roll fellas.

[Kismet]

We were told Psaki, Harris and Biden do not lie...certainly embarrassing what they are doing to CBP law enforcement and just out right lying, perpetuating hate, with vidoe evidence to prove it. Even the person the took the photographs of the mounted CBP officer acknowledge it was not as our POTUS claims.

It's clear as day to me, that the past three administrations (at a minimum), are intentionally tearing us all apart at the seems. Far too many instances of clear and outright ignorance, downright lying, and intentional divisiveness. I suppose the 'spice' in reference to the Dune discussion yesterday, seems to truly be power, via bullying and provoking, through sadistic behavior from those in the elite gov't club.

Maybe the fresh cup of coffee and brisk 52 deg. OA this morning, has provided a somber reality of something latent going on that has not yet been revealed, to us all. I'll stop there, otherwise I could start writing as Frank Herbert has.

For not going down that rabbithole.....welcome to it.....

The idea that politicians just starting spinning facts to gain advantage and ignoring truth starting in 2008 is ludicrous. Perhaps a shot of spice in that cup of joe.

Anybody who thinks the current crowd is to be believed 100% of the time should have their spice ration reduced.

I'd still like to know how and why most of those Haitians decided to go to the border now after being in South America for YEARS.

The difference, is I didn't drag anyone down there with me, just commentary, no leading questions. You should try it.

Again, there was no need to go back 20 plus years. I suppose, in the era of internet content, our leadership hasnt caught on that their BS is much easier to figure out....their argument that we can vote for change, is really just the equivalent of wearing underwear inside out.

That's easy....b/c they were all invited.

Sure, make yourself feel better any way possible even at the bottom of said rabbithole you said you weren't in.

Kindly cite a credible source for the invitation to all these folks - must have been quite specific as the only migrant respondees appear to be Haitian refugees mostly from Brazil and Chile....did all the other migrants not get the same memo/invitation

The invitation was the fact that the doors are now open. There is a new sheriff in town, with a limp and wet handshake, who cares less about the border. Much like house parties in HS....the parents are away, let's roll fellas.

So I'm clear - only Haitians in Brazil and Chile got this overt message and all showed up in the same place on the border in a location that migrants have never shown up in numbers before?

Maaan, better check that cup of Joe you had again...perhaps a touch of melange spice in there and working well for you