a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:33 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:10 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:38 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:45 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:39 pm
Man, RRR is living so rent free in your head that you would make this bullcrap attempt at dry humor...
Who? A Fan mentioned 600,000 and I knew the number was old and decided to look back and see how much has changed. The point was that these clowns thought 250,000 deaths was an exaggeration and A Fan kept trying to pin people down on what would be an acceptable number. Not sure you were around then but that’s the context.
Not only was he around-----Joe was the one I asked to give us an acceptable number.
He refused to give a number, of course. And I told him WHY he didn't.
And I still won't because it isn't as black and white as you make it to be. Nobody wants to see anybody lose their life due to CV-19. I don't have a number, because unlike most on this site, I don't use Covid death's as a political football... There isn't any acceptable number in my opinion, we continue to learn to live with it as we are currently doing, it's unfortunate but true to many degrees.
Joe
You're ignoring the context of why I asked that question. I asked because you and a parade of other posters arrived at the forum, and began mocking posters for taking covid seriously, and for what you thought was "giving in to fear" or for "being a bunch of negative posters".
I asked for a number because if you simply don't care how many people die? A simple cost/benefit analysis? All the measures taken to protect Americans sound insane. So closing colleges sounds insane. Wearing masks sounds insane. Frankly doing anything other that not making any changes to daily life sounds insane. And in the summer of 2020-----you and other posters were complaining about the measures taken to try and control the virus.
To wit? This exchange with you below, in the summer of 2020. Your post has not aged well, Joe. We cleared 600K deaths in America, and we're still going.
In other words: the "negative bunch of posters" you criticize below were right. And you were wrong.
If you're REALLY here for dialogue? Tip your hat to your fellow posters from 2020 who tried to tell you about the seriousness of Covid, and say, "boy, I got that one wrong".
It won't hurt you to do this, I promise. We're all wrong sometimes (yours truly, in particular)....no big deal . ;
JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:43 pm
cc2519 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:01 pm
pcowlax wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:38 pm
PulpExposure wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:05 pm
pcowlax wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:57 pm
We will just have to wait and see, not hopeful on the season. I wish I could paste the World-O-Meter graphs here but just look at them. Israel had a previous mild outbreak, then went down to nothing, now has a lot of cases.
So not for nothing - here you need some more context you may not know for Israel. By the middle of April they had 10k cases, and that's after they had put the whole country on mandatory lockdown (they did it in mid march actually). They went from less than a thousand cases to 10k in about 10 days at that point. Sort of the similar rate of change as Germany had at first. But then they locked it down, and they really flattened the curve. They're a small and densely populated country (think size and population of New Jersey, but with the bottom 1/3 of the country essentially uninhabited). I cut it there for you - you can see the delta was not good at first, and then it levels off completely because of the measures they took. And then blew up again lol.
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Side note I was actually in Israel for work two weeks before they started shutting everything down....
I don't know why I can't paste anything into here. Israel had a peak of 765 cases April 2 and a peak 3 day average of 720 then. It then trended down as everywhere that has locked down trended down and then, as is absolutely necessary for the survival of civilization, it opened up again. The first wave was not much at all when you look at cases per million. The population was mostly still naive and, as you say, is fairly dense. So away they went, peaking at 2308 July 28 and now starting to trend down again. The figure is the same for most every country in the world. The figure is the same for the US if you look at it by region rather than as a country as a whole. It is very different fighting and tracking a virus when your while country is the size of New Jersey. Its generally not helpful to look at the graphs showing cumulative cases, the one with incident cases by day are much easier to see the trends with. The other European countries where it was bad (much worse than Israel) have managed to open back up without a second wave. Here in CT is was bad, cases are now extremely low, but they many towns still are not letting schools open for F2F. The bar cannot be no cases or zero spread, that just isn't how respiratory viruses work.
Right again. Most people have NO CLUE how respiratory viruses (or any other communicable disease) work. They follow Farr's Law on local/regional basis. They always have, and always will. The amount of ignorance (and I don't mean that in a pejorative way) about all this is amazing. One example: most people think that "antibodies" are the main way our immune systems fight infections, and that if you get AB tested and are negative, it means you haven't had Covid. Not (necessarily) true! T cells etc are actually more powerful than AB, and will not show up on a Covid AB test. But many people have T cells that have fought off previous coronaviruses. Which may be why NOWHERE in the world have we seen true "exponential growth" of Covid.
We are ruining livelihoods, childhoods (and yes college athletics) in pursuit of a pipe dream ("crushing" or stopping a respiratory virus.)
+1 Million
The COVID-19 Forum is turned into a real sorry place. There's no discussion at all, it's just blindly posting articles to see who can be more negative. If you don't have a viewpoint that falls in line with the regular posters, you are criticized, ostracized, denigrated to the point you either give up, agree to disagree or some combination of both. Most of the regulars spend the entire time trying to prove one poster wrong, who often has salient points. He just happens to ruffle feathers in bringing these across, which is NOT WRONG. If you don't believe the sky is falling, stay out of that forum because you are not allowed to bring an opposing viewpoint. If this forum had as many users as lets say Twitter, it would be a lot more interesting from my perspective. As someone who reads through a large, diverse amount of viewpoints about the virus on a daily basis, there are a lot of intelligent people that would be able to defend their viewpoints quite well against these negative bunch of regular posters. Again, not saying things are all rosy, but being constantly negative in regards to every aspect of life during the pandemic does absolutely nothing to help the situation, nothing at all! End of rant...
Craziest NHL game in a long time tonight!
Go Twins,
Joemauer89!
honestly, does it matter, your "question" ? Plenty of people refuse to answer questions on this website.
Your point it too divide. Too hate.
Others, points, when it comes to "fear", is precisely that. The fear that our country will continue to hate. to divide.
Thus,.....the numbers. Come on, ggait or afan......the NUMBERS show that almost all of the covid deaths had a number of factors:
OLD (avg. age 75 )
UNhealthy (that silly obesity , sugary sweet everything )....etc. etc.
You all have zero basis, medically and molecularly, for worrying about OTHERS not being vaccinated. Especially, from the US covid survivors.
The "fear porn" is the hate, you all dole out, each post. Some party.
Remeber being locked down, in your dorm room, watching that boring professor drone on, .....what makes going to class, in person, tolerable, are all the hot , good looking, and intelligent to boot.....in that in person class. Online learning > not so much. Lockdowns. MASKS. arrest b/c of no masks....and meanwhile, you all rejoice when scumbags like Newsom get to keep their job.....maskless. hypocrites.
you Trump supporters, pushing his emergency covid vaxx (he still own pfizer stock
pushing the numbers narrative, when, in your hateful heart of hearts, yall know it IS them darker pigmented US citizens that ain't digging trumps emergency vaxx and it being FORCED upon them.
"just ask your doc " , parrotting the infotainment Drx ads......as if EVERYONE in the USA even has a "primary care" doc.
how many, IS that number ? but, can't go after that demographic, with the hate (well, you can, lie and spin it, when it comes to "them" not supporting POTUSA candidates like Mayor Pete. Blacks, apparently just don't like them their queer types (nytimes, washpost links I have posted, SAID so )
The unvaccinated pose NO threat to the vaccinated. Both are "carriers". Colleges are committing fraud. scumbags....the whole lot of em.