January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

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youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:18 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:41 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:28 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:41 am Crazy story seacoaster....anyone know if the Clinton's were seen with him? ;)
Agreed; really strange. More likely than the Clintons (ho ho ho), the guy has had some sort of nervous breakdown because his client pool is f*cking crazy, anti-democratic thugs who follow blindly the messaging of a Moron. Just a guess.
Well, sounds like he was quite the looney tunes himself...wonder whether he stole money from these defendants, like Rittenhouse, and that was getting close to blowing up? Or maybe he had a glimpse of the reality that the Ponzi-like web of clients and claims (FBI etc) were ultimately going to all come tumbling down upon him and that end was nearing...pressure ultimately broke him?

After all, he had rolled up all these clients by making the most extreme and flamboyant defense claims, piling up the defendants, all depending upon his legal strategy actually having some tangible basis other than notoriety (but notoriety was the only point, he needed the retainers simply to stay afloat)...those who signed on with him, retainers and legal defense funds, likely actually bought into the extreme claims and wanted the fight...but it never had any merit...and now that they actually have to go to court, it's also possible that some of the clients and/or big legal defense funders want to see the actual goods...and he ain't got'em. Breakdown or claimed breakdown.

the assistant, Marshall, sounds like a trip too.
Or....he was hired by the Feds ( on the down low of course) to represent these people, then bounce.....turning this into a chaotic mess. It makes his FB claim that much more ludicrous. Yup.....that it, plus it makes for a great book or movie. :D
Umm, he was hired by the United States to represent these "people;" and then stop appearing to deliberately turn this into a circus?

You're not driving or using power tools or heavy machinery, right man?
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youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:18 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:41 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:28 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:41 am Crazy story seacoaster....anyone know if the Clinton's were seen with him? ;)
Agreed; really strange. More likely than the Clintons (ho ho ho), the guy has had some sort of nervous breakdown because his client pool is f*cking crazy, anti-democratic thugs who follow blindly the messaging of a Moron. Just a guess.
Well, sounds like he was quite the looney tunes himself...wonder whether he stole money from these defendants, like Rittenhouse, and that was getting close to blowing up? Or maybe he had a glimpse of the reality that the Ponzi-like web of clients and claims (FBI etc) were ultimately going to all come tumbling down upon him and that end was nearing...pressure ultimately broke him?

After all, he had rolled up all these clients by making the most extreme and flamboyant defense claims, piling up the defendants, all depending upon his legal strategy actually having some tangible basis other than notoriety (but notoriety was the only point, he needed the retainers simply to stay afloat)...those who signed on with him, retainers and legal defense funds, likely actually bought into the extreme claims and wanted the fight...but it never had any merit...and now that they actually have to go to court, it's also possible that some of the clients and/or big legal defense funders want to see the actual goods...and he ain't got'em. Breakdown or claimed breakdown.

the assistant, Marshall, sounds like a trip too.
Or....he was hired by the Feds ( on the down low of course) to represent these people, then bounce.....turning this into a chaotic mess. It makes his FB claim that much more ludicrous. Yup.....that it, plus it makes for a great book or movie. :D
:lol: Fun...well, that's an even more looney tunes scenario than even Pierce (or Hollywood) could have come up with!
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:18 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:41 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:28 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:41 am Crazy story seacoaster....anyone know if the Clinton's were seen with him? ;)
Agreed; really strange. More likely than the Clintons (ho ho ho), the guy has had some sort of nervous breakdown because his client pool is f*cking crazy, anti-democratic thugs who follow blindly the messaging of a Moron. Just a guess.
Well, sounds like he was quite the looney tunes himself...wonder whether he stole money from these defendants, like Rittenhouse, and that was getting close to blowing up? Or maybe he had a glimpse of the reality that the Ponzi-like web of clients and claims (FBI etc) were ultimately going to all come tumbling down upon him and that end was nearing...pressure ultimately broke him?

After all, he had rolled up all these clients by making the most extreme and flamboyant defense claims, piling up the defendants, all depending upon his legal strategy actually having some tangible basis other than notoriety (but notoriety was the only point, he needed the retainers simply to stay afloat)...those who signed on with him, retainers and legal defense funds, likely actually bought into the extreme claims and wanted the fight...but it never had any merit...and now that they actually have to go to court, it's also possible that some of the clients and/or big legal defense funders want to see the actual goods...and he ain't got'em. Breakdown or claimed breakdown.

the assistant, Marshall, sounds like a trip too.
Or....he was hired by the Feds ( on the down low of course) to represent these people, then bounce.....turning this into a chaotic mess. It makes his FB claim that much more ludicrous. Yup.....that it, plus it makes for a great book or movie. :D
Umm, he was hired by the United States to represent these "people;" and then stop appearing to deliberately turn this into a circus?

You're not driving or using power tools or heavy machinery, right man?
I think he was entirely joking, needed a wink emoji to go along with the big smile.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:33 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:18 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:41 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:28 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:41 am Crazy story seacoaster....anyone know if the Clinton's were seen with him? ;)
Agreed; really strange. More likely than the Clintons (ho ho ho), the guy has had some sort of nervous breakdown because his client pool is f*cking crazy, anti-democratic thugs who follow blindly the messaging of a Moron. Just a guess.
Well, sounds like he was quite the looney tunes himself...wonder whether he stole money from these defendants, like Rittenhouse, and that was getting close to blowing up? Or maybe he had a glimpse of the reality that the Ponzi-like web of clients and claims (FBI etc) were ultimately going to all come tumbling down upon him and that end was nearing...pressure ultimately broke him?

After all, he had rolled up all these clients by making the most extreme and flamboyant defense claims, piling up the defendants, all depending upon his legal strategy actually having some tangible basis other than notoriety (but notoriety was the only point, he needed the retainers simply to stay afloat)...those who signed on with him, retainers and legal defense funds, likely actually bought into the extreme claims and wanted the fight...but it never had any merit...and now that they actually have to go to court, it's also possible that some of the clients and/or big legal defense funders want to see the actual goods...and he ain't got'em. Breakdown or claimed breakdown.

the assistant, Marshall, sounds like a trip too.
Or....he was hired by the Feds ( on the down low of course) to represent these people, then bounce.....turning this into a chaotic mess. It makes his FB claim that much more ludicrous. Yup.....that it, plus it makes for a great book or movie. :D
Umm, he was hired by the United States to represent these "people;" and then stop appearing to deliberately turn this into a circus?

You're not driving or using power tools or heavy machinery, right man?
I think he was entirely joking, needed a wink emoji to go along with the big smile.
So was I!!
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:37 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:33 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:18 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:41 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:28 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:41 am Crazy story seacoaster....anyone know if the Clinton's were seen with him? ;)
Agreed; really strange. More likely than the Clintons (ho ho ho), the guy has had some sort of nervous breakdown because his client pool is f*cking crazy, anti-democratic thugs who follow blindly the messaging of a Moron. Just a guess.
Well, sounds like he was quite the looney tunes himself...wonder whether he stole money from these defendants, like Rittenhouse, and that was getting close to blowing up? Or maybe he had a glimpse of the reality that the Ponzi-like web of clients and claims (FBI etc) were ultimately going to all come tumbling down upon him and that end was nearing...pressure ultimately broke him?

After all, he had rolled up all these clients by making the most extreme and flamboyant defense claims, piling up the defendants, all depending upon his legal strategy actually having some tangible basis other than notoriety (but notoriety was the only point, he needed the retainers simply to stay afloat)...those who signed on with him, retainers and legal defense funds, likely actually bought into the extreme claims and wanted the fight...but it never had any merit...and now that they actually have to go to court, it's also possible that some of the clients and/or big legal defense funders want to see the actual goods...and he ain't got'em. Breakdown or claimed breakdown.

the assistant, Marshall, sounds like a trip too.
Or....he was hired by the Feds ( on the down low of course) to represent these people, then bounce.....turning this into a chaotic mess. It makes his FB claim that much more ludicrous. Yup.....that it, plus it makes for a great book or movie. :D
Umm, he was hired by the United States to represent these "people;" and then stop appearing to deliberately turn this into a circus?

You're not driving or using power tools or heavy machinery, right man?
I think he was entirely joking, needed a wink emoji to go along with the big smile.
So was I!!
:D ;)
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... com-firms/

"As a special congressional committee probes how a violent insurrection swept the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 — including what role House Republicans played, if any — the top House Republican issued a remarkable threat to try to stop a key part of their inquiry. It’s a threat that legal experts say isn’t founded in any law they know about.

The Jan. 6 committee has asked 35 telecommunication companies, like AT&T and Google, to hang onto phone records and other information related to the Jan. 6 attacks. CNN reported some of those logs include Republican members of Congress, former president Donald Trump and his family.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), who opposed creation of the Jan. 6 committee, warned those companies that they would be violating federal law if they handed over those phone records.

To which two experts who served as House lawyers say: What federal law?

No one really knows what McCarthy is talking about, said Stanley Brand, a former lawyer for the House of Representatives.

There isn’t a specific law stopping these companies from handing over information to Congress. In fact, it’s arguably the opposite. Law enforcement agencies subpoena private companies all the time to get information, Brand said.

Mike Stern, a former lawyer for the nonpartisan House counsel office, said there are probably laws that bar phone carriers from turning over records voluntarily.

But the committee isn’t asking the companies to do that. For now, they’re just asking the companies to preserve specific records in case they want them later. And if they do want those records, the Jan. 6 committee would almost certainly issue a subpoena for them.

And in the case of a subpoena, these telecommunication companies would almost certainly comply, regardless of whose records are being sought.

“Even if there is arguably a competing legal obligation or privilege that might trump the subpoena, I know of no principle that requires any subpoena recipient to risk contempt to protect the interests of their customers,” Stern said in an email.

McCarthy, whose office didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment, might be trying to conflate several different outcomes — preserving phone records (legal), with handing them over without a subpoena (maybe illegal but our experts couldn’t think of a specific statute explicitly saying so), or with handing them over with a subpoena (legal).

McCarthy also tried to expand this outward in an arguably hyperbolic claim that legal experts say isn’t rooted in reality: If Congress can obtain lawmakers’ phone records, no American is safe. The Democrats’ request, he said, “would put every American with a phone or computer in the crosshairs of a surveillance state run by Democrat politicians.”

That doesn’t make sense. Congress is asking for specific records from specific people for a specific reason. Lawmakers can challenge that reason in court, but it doesn’t mean Congress automatically has access to all Americans’ call logs.

The case brings to mind the time when Democrats in Congress were trying to investigate various aspects of Trump’s financial activities. Instead of asking him for his financial records, they went around him and issued subpoenas to accounting firms and banks. Trump sued to try to stop these companies from complying. The case went all the way to the Supreme Court, and eventually Congress got some of the records it requested.

That case was more about separation of powers — Congress investigating a president — than Congress investigating itself, which is an even more rare situation. (Trump is trying, probably unsuccessfully, to claim executive privilege to avoid scrutiny from the Jan. 6 committee.)

The Supreme Court said Congress can’t subpoena information to act as if they were law enforcement agencies. It has to have a legitimate legislative purpose. But Congress can investigate civil disturbances, Brand said, and the Jan. 6 insurrection probably fits that mold.

There is one legal avenue House Republicans can try to stop their records from going over to Congress, Brand said. It’s called the Perlman doctrine. If the committee issues a subpoena for these records, Republicans could step into court as third parties and argue against releasing the information. McCarthy could say that he has a legal or statutory claim to his call logs, and let the courts decide whether he or the Jan. 6 committee’s request take precedent. (This is hypothetical. We don’t know if McCarthy’s records are part of the request from the Jan. 6 committee.)

The second half of McCarthy’s statement was more ominous. While asserting vague legal protections, he also threatened these telecommunication companies with what seemed like political retribution if they complied with the law to hand over phone records: “If companies still choose to violate federal law, a Republican majority will not forget and will stand with Americans to hold them fully accountable under the law.”

The Washington Post reported that a number of these companies say they are planning to comply with the Jan. 6 committee anyway."
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QAnon Shaman Jacob Chansley takes a plea deal to a single felony count of obstructing an official proceeding before Congress. Under the terms of his deal, Mr. Chansley agreed to accept a recommended 41 to 51 months in prison. He is scheduled to be sentenced on November 17. He has already served 8 months in the slammer so fa so that time will be deducted from whatever the judge gives him.

Ironically, Prosecutors say that while he was in the Senate chamber, he left a note on the desk of Vice President Mike Pence saying, “It’s only a matter of time, justice is coming.” - It sure is ....for him and not the former VP.
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41 to 51 months in prison

Far too lenient a sentence for domestic terrorism and treason. Especially since a law officer died because of these crimes. To me, the scaffold and the hangman's noose is the proper retributive remedy.
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This is basically what happened on 1/6

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6wQEmBWKDwg
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Stephanie Grisham book on its way. Melania Trump, just another piece of sh*t.
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Trump Deep State plant on January 6 prosecution team?
The people at DOJ who claimed that this toxic team was not dangerous in the past may want to downplay the critical role that Stone and the Proud Boys played — using the same kind of incendiary behavior — in the January 6 assault.

Whatever the reason, though, it is inexcusable that DOJ would put someone like Ballantine on this case. Given Ballantine’s past actions, it risks sabotaging the entire January 6 investigation.

DOJ quite literally put someone who, less than a year ago, facilitated Sidney Powell’s lies onto a prosecution team investigating the aftermath of further Sidney Powell lies.
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Hopefully we can get a Memorial at "Ground Zero" in the Capital for the most tragic event in US history.

https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1 ... 7463097345
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kramerica.inc wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:08 pm Hopefully we can get a Memorial at "Ground Zero" in the Capital for the most tragic event in US history.

https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1 ... 7463097345
That sort of hyperbole, while probably meant sincerely and maybe even justifiably in a particular sense, IMO was egregiously offensive to make on that day. Gross.

On the actual sentiment that it is more shocking to learn that a large portion of America is actually willing to dump democracy, including violently, in some sort of fever swamp delusional insurrection than it is that there are Islamist terrorists seeking to kill Americans and they can indeed do so on our own soil, I guess I'd say that I found both shocking and awful, though I was less surprised (but not less horrified) by the latter revelation of 9-11.

We'd known for quite awhile that there were Islamist/fascist terrorists that wanted to kill us, they'd struck many times, and had even almost succeeded previously in attacking the World Trade Center. Enemies from abroad was understood.

But though we knew for decades that there are lots of potential lone wolf right wing nutcases, and even some small groups of such, and they'd proven enormously dangerous as terrorists, whether antisemitic or antimuslim or racist or anti-government, the notion that the danger of actually losing our democracy was real was really brand new.

But not ok to make such a statement on a day of remembrance for 9-11. Gross.
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A coworker said to me the other day, "We are closer to a civil war than we've been since, well, the Civil War."

What will push the US over the edge? Political rhetoric? Voter mandates? Election uncertainty? Vaccine mandates?
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kramerica.inc wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:36 pm A coworker said to me the other day, "We are closer to a civil war than we've been since, well, the Civil War."

What will push the US over the edge? Political rhetoric? Voter mandates? Election uncertainty? Vaccine mandates?
Clearly liberals will cause it right. And abortionsists!

I don’t need your civil waaaar. Feeds the rich while it buried the poooor.

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Top general was so fearful Trump might spark war that he made secret calls to his Chinese counterpart, new book says
‘Peril,’ by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, reveals that Gen. Mark A. Milley called his Chinese counterpart before the election and after Jan. 6 in a bid to avert armed conflict.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ley-china/
Twice in the final months of the Trump administration, the country’s top military officer was so fearful that the president’s actions might spark a war with China that he moved urgently to avert armed conflict.

In a pair of secret phone calls, Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, assured his Chinese counterpart, Gen. Li Zuocheng of the People’s Liberation Army, that the United States would not strike, according to a new book by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward and national political reporter Robert Costa.

One call took place on Oct. 30, 2020, four days before the election that unseated President Trump, and the other on Jan. 8, 2021, two days after the Capitol siege carried out by his supporters in a quest to cancel the vote.

The first call was prompted by Milley’s review of intelligence suggesting the Chinese believed the United States was preparing to attack. That belief, the authors write, was based on tensions over military exercises in the South China Sea, and deepened by Trump’s belligerent rhetoric toward China.

“General Li, I want to assure you that the American government is stable and everything is going to be okay,” Milley told him. “We are not going to attack or conduct any kinetic operations against you.”

In the book’s account, Milley went so far as to pledge he would alert his counterpart in the event of a U.S. attack, stressing the rapport they’d established through a backchannel. “General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.”

Li took the chairman at his word, the authors write in the book, “Peril,” which is set to be released next week.

In the second call, placed to address Chinese fears about the events of Jan. 6, Li wasn’t as easily assuaged, even after Milley promised him, “We are 100 percent steady. Everything’s fine. But democracy can be sloppy sometimes.”

Li remained rattled, and Milley, who did not relay the conversation to Trump, according to the book, understood why. The chairman, 62 at the time and chosen by Trump in 2018, believed the president had suffered a mental decline after the election, the authors write, a view he communicated to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in a phone call on Jan. 8. He agreed with her evaluation that Trump was unstable, according to a call transcript obtained by the authors.

Believing that China could lash out if it felt at risk from an unpredictable and vengeful American president, Milley took action. The same day, he called the admiral overseeing the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, the military unit responsible for Asia and the Pacific region, and recommended postponing the military exercises, according to the book. The admiral complied.

Milley also summoned senior officers to review the procedures for launching nuclear weapons, saying the president alone could give the order — but, crucially, that he, Milley, also had to be involved. Looking each in the eye, Milley asked the officers to affirm that they had understood, the authors write, in what he considered an “oath.”


(there's more...)
The 5 Biggest Bombshells In The Woodward-Costa Book
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker ... costa-book
By Josh Kovensky
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September 14, 2021 2:28 p.m.
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The initial reports on the contents of the new book by Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Robert Costa came trickling in this afternoon.

Titled “Peril,” it’s set to be a doozy.

The book is set for release next week. Reports from the Washington Post and CNN offer early highlights:

1. Mike Pence Was A Very, Very Reluctant Hero

Former Vice President Mike Pence struggled with the decision to follow the law and accept the electoral votes cast during the 2020 election far more than was previously known, a new book says.

Pence called former Vice President Dan Quayle for advice.

“Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away,” Quayle reportedly told Pence.

Pence then pushed Quayle, purportedly telling him: “You don’t know the position I’m in.”

“I do know the position you’re in,” Quayle reportedly replied. “I also know what the law is. You listen to the parliamentarian. That’s all you do. You have no power.”

Pence’s agonizing casts in stark relief how severe a constitutional crisis the country experienced last year, and how close it came to being far worse.

2 Trump Savaged Pence For His Decision

Pence’s decision not to participate in what would have been a coup attempt earned him a torrent of hatred from Trump and his supporters, who mobbed the Capitol on Jan. 6 while screaming “Hang Mike Pence.”

The book says that Trump himself told Pence “I don’t want to be your friend anymore if you don’t do this,” and later said: “You’ve betrayed us. I made you. You were nothing.”

3 Senior U.S. Government Leaders Feared A Coup

In November 2020, CIA Director Gina Haspel warned Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley: “We are on the way to a right-wing coup.”

Haspel’s comments came amid general worry during the transition period that Trump would start a war as a way to distract from his loss in the presidential election, or to foment a crisis big enough so that he would somehow stay in power.

4 Pelosi Freaked Out Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman

The day after the Jan. 6 insurrection, Speaker of the House Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) called Milley.

Pelosi publicized the call, releasing a statement immediately after. But the book’s authors say that they obtained a transcript of the conversation.

“He’s crazy. You know he’s crazy,” Pelosi reportedly said. “He’s crazy and what he did yesterday is further evidence of his craziness.”

Milley replied, the book says, that he agreed with everything Pelosi had said.

“The one thing I can guarantee is that as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I want you to know that — I want you to know this in you heart of hearts, I can guarantee you 110 percent that the military, use of military power, whether it’s nuclear or a strike in a foreign country of any kind, we’re not going to do anything illegal or crazy,” Milley reportedly replied.

Pelosi retorted: “Well, what do you mean, illegal or crazy?”

5 Milley Took Extraordinary Steps To Thwart Trump

On Jan. 8, acting out of what the book reportedly describes as shock and fear due to the insurrection, Gen. Milley purportedly gathered a group of senior military officers to “review the procedures for launching nuclear weapons.”

The President had the authority to order a launch, but Milley also had to be involved, the book reports the JCT chair as saying. Milley reportedly looked each officer gathered in the eye and asked them to confirm that they understood.

By law, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff does not have command authority.

Milley also reportedly called his Chinese counterpart Li Zuocheng twice to reassure him that the U.S. was not about to attack.

The first call reportedly took place on Oct. 30, during which Milley said: “If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.”

The second call took place on Jan. 8, during which Milley addressed the chaos of the insurrection and reassured Beijing that Trump would not attack China.

““Things may look unsteady,” the New York Times reported Milley as saying, “but that’s the nature of democracy, General Li.”

In conversations with senior staff, Milley reportedly likened Jan. 6 to the 1905 Russian Revolution, which was put down by the Tsar but presaged the successful 1917 revolutions that overthrew the country’s government.

“What you might have seen was a precursor to something far worse down the road,” the book quotes him as saying.


Josh Kovensky is an investigative reporter for Talking Points Memo, based in New York. He previously worked for the Kyiv Post in Ukraine, covering politics, business, and corruption there.
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Yikes!

One little thought, who woulda thunk that Dan Quayle would be a hero too?
Not that I'd have expected any other answer from him, but how often have we heard his name in the past couple of decades???
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Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:22 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:08 pm Hopefully we can get a Memorial at "Ground Zero" in the Capital for the most tragic event in US history.

https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1 ... 7463097345
That sort of hyperbole, while probably meant sincerely and maybe even justifiably in a particular sense, IMO was egregiously offensive to make on that day. Gross.

On the actual sentiment that it is more shocking to learn that a large portion of America is actually willing to dump democracy, including violently, in some sort of fever swamp delusional insurrection than it is that there are Islamist terrorists seeking to kill Americans and they can indeed do so on our own soil, I guess I'd say that I found both shocking and awful, though I was less surprised (but not less horrified) by the latter revelation of 9-11.

We'd known for quite awhile that there were Islamist/fascist terrorists that wanted to kill us, they'd struck many times, and had even almost succeeded previously in attacking the World Trade Center. Enemies from abroad was understood.

But though we knew for decades that there are lots of potential lone wolf right wing nutcases, and even some small groups of such, and they'd proven enormously dangerous as terrorists, whether antisemitic or antimuslim or racist or anti-government, the notion that the danger of actually losing our democracy was real was really brand new.

But not ok to make such a statement on a day of remembrance for 9-11. Gross.
I remember in the late 60s/early 70s a radical left wing group that wanted to overthrow the government. That is an era when bombing federal buildings was all the rage in America. Time was very kind to these terrorists. They found real jobs becoming college professors. I bet more than one is "outraged" over the mob actions of January 6. I'm guessing they are mad they never thought about storming the capital back in the day. Maybe time will be just as kind to these protesters. I wonder how many will become college professors? That seems to be the path of least resistance. I wonder if Bill Ayers was upset by these people? One fortunate thing about the Weather underground.. they were not very smart when it came to making bombs.
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Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

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Long one in the Times, by a National Review correspondent, sounding the alarm that the next coup attempt awaits us, and the ground for it is being prepared. This is what voting GOP means now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/opin ... -coup.html

"What happened at the Capitol on Jan. 6 was not a coup attempt. It was half of a coup attempt — the less important half.

The more important part of the coup attempt — like legal wrangling in states and the attempts to sabotage the House commission’s investigation of Jan. 6 — is still going strong. These are not separate and discrete episodes but parts of a unitary phenomenon that, in just about any other country, would be characterized as a failed coup d’état.

As the Republican Party tries to make up its mind between wishing away the events of Jan. 6 or celebrating them, one thing should be clear to conservatives estranged from the party: We can’t go home again.

The attempted coup’s foot soldiers have dug themselves in at state legislatures. For example, last week in Florida State Representative Anthony Sabatini introduced a draft of legislation that would require an audit of the 2020 general election in the state’s largest (typically Democratic-heavy) counties, suggesting without basis that it may show that these areas cheated to inflate Joe Biden’s vote count.

Florida’s secretary of state, a Republican, knows that an audit is nonsense and has said so. But the point of an audit would not be to change the outcome (Mr. Trump won the state). The point is not even really to conduct an audit.

The obviously political object is to legitimize the 2020 coup attempt in order to soften the ground for the next one — and there will be a next one.

In the broad strategy, the frenzied mobs were meant to inspire terror — and obedience among Republicans — while Rudy Giuliani and his co-conspirators tried to get the election nullified on some risible legal pretext or another. Republicans needed both pieces — neither the mob violence nor an inconclusive legal ruling would have been sufficient on its own to keep Mr. Trump in power.

True to form, Mr. Trump was able to supply the mob but not the procedural victory. His coup attempt was frustrated in no small part by a thin gray line of bureaucratic fortitude — Republican officials at the state and local levels who had the grit to resist intense pressure from the president and do their jobs.

Current efforts like the one in Florida are intended to terrorize them into compliance today or, short of that, to push such officials into retirement so that they can be replaced with more pliant partisans. The lonely little band of Republican officials who stopped the 2020 coup is going to be smaller and lonelier the next time around.

That’s why the Great Satan for the Republican Party right now is not Mr. Biden but Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, one of a small number of Republicans willing to speak honestly about Jan. 6 and to support the investigation into it — and willing to contradict powerful people like Kevin McCarthy of California, who has falsely (and preposterously) claimed that the F.B.I. has cleared Mr. Trump of any involvement in Jan. 6.

The emerging Republican orthodoxy on Jan. 6 is created by pure political engineering, with most party leaders either minimizing, halfheartedly defending or wholeheartedly celebrating the coup, depending on their audience and ambitions. Pragmatic party leaders like Mitch McConnell, and others like him who were never passionately united with Mr. Trump but need his voters, are hoping that the memory of the riot gets swept away by the ugly news from Afghanistan and the usual hurly-burly. But other Republicans have praised the rioters: Representative Madison Cawthorn of North Carolina insisted that those who have been jailed are “political prisoners” and warned that “bloodshed” might follow another “stolen” election. The middle-ground Republican consensus is that the sacking of the Capitol was at worst the unfortunate escalation of a well-intentioned protest involving legitimate electoral grievances.

The authors of the coup attempt remain embedded in the Republican Party and in the conservative movement. Some are officeholders, like Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, while others continue profitable associations with institutions ranging from the New Civil Liberties Alliance, a right-leaning public-interest litigation group, to Fox News and other media outfits.

The Trump administration was grotesque in its cruelty and incompetence. But without the coup attempt, it might have been possible to work out a modus vivendi between anti-Trump conservatives and Mr. Trump’s right-wing nationalist-populists. Conservatives were not happy with Mr. Trump’s histrionics, but many were reasonably satisfied with all those Federalist Society judges and his signature on Paul Ryan’s tax bill. Trump supporters, who were interested almost exclusively in theater, enjoyed four years of Twitter-enabled catharsis even as the administration did very little on key issues like trade and immigration.

In the normal course of democratic politics, people who disagree about one issue can work together when they agree about another. We can fight over taxes or trade policy.

But there isn’t really any middle ground on overthrowing the government. And that is what Mr. Trump and his allies were up to in 2020, through both violent and nonviolent means — and continue to be up to today.

When it comes to a coup, you’re either in or you’re out. The Republican Party is leaning pretty strongly toward in. That is going to leave at least some conservatives out — and, in all likelihood, permanently out."
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