Jared Bernhardt

[old salt]

Army had been largely irrelevant since my buddies from broom co the Davis brothers were captains. They had a decent season here recently but have no business being in major D1 football.

Being close to Ga Tech I agree that the triple option doesn’t work like it used to. Has to be another system that works with size limitations.

I wouldn’t be so sure ND would never stop the academies. That’s a lot of hubris given the same acknowledgement about how much money drives irrational or non-emotional decisions.

Not the academies. Just Navy.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/10/31/ ... ory-part-1
https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/11/2/5 ... ies-part-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy%E2%8 ... ll_rivalry
On August 6, 2020, Navy and Notre Dame signed an agreement continuing their rivalry series for the next 12 seasons, from 2021 through 2032

I feel the same way about Hobart-Cornell & Hobart-Syracuse which have more history than Navy-ND but also dont think that’s permanent and inviolable. Especially when you’re talking the kind of money that major football does. If ND is with group that separates its completely feasible and perhaps likely that game could die.

And contracts don’t mean Jack as we’ve seen over and over and over again.

As long as ND stays independent, it's a good deal for them. They don't have conf games guaranteed. Thus their sched deal with the ACC.
It's the lead CBS game when it's Navy's home year. Navy's "home" game is where they can draw a large subway alum crowd. That's better than playing Wake, Duke, NC St, or GaTech.

Your comment was ND will play Navy as long as we (Navy) wants. That means no matter what ND does or feels in the future or regardless of money they will always find a way to keep Navy on the schedule. What you are saying is reasonable now but in 2-4yrs when this is all flipped on its head and it’s better the keep the pie in house completely that sort of game is at risk unfortunately.

Father Hesburgh gave us his word.

[Farfromgeneva]

Army had been largely irrelevant since my buddies from broom co the Davis brothers were captains. They had a decent season here recently but have no business being in major D1 football.

Being close to Ga Tech I agree that the triple option doesn’t work like it used to. Has to be another system that works with size limitations.

I wouldn’t be so sure ND would never stop the academies. That’s a lot of hubris given the same acknowledgement about how much money drives irrational or non-emotional decisions.

Not the academies. Just Navy.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/10/31/ ... ory-part-1
https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/11/2/5 ... ies-part-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy%E2%8 ... ll_rivalry
On August 6, 2020, Navy and Notre Dame signed an agreement continuing their rivalry series for the next 12 seasons, from 2021 through 2032

I feel the same way about Hobart-Cornell & Hobart-Syracuse which have more history than Navy-ND but also dont think that’s permanent and inviolable. Especially when you’re talking the kind of money that major football does. If ND is with group that separates its completely feasible and perhaps likely that game could die.

And contracts don’t mean Jack as we’ve seen over and over and over again.

As long as ND stays independent, it's a good deal for them. They don't have conf games guaranteed. Thus their sched deal with the ACC.
It's the lead CBS game when it's Navy's home year. Navy's "home" game is where they can draw a large subway alum crowd. That's better than playing Wake, Duke, NC St, or GaTech.

Your comment was ND will play Navy as long as we (Navy) wants. That means no matter what ND does or feels in the future or regardless of money they will always find a way to keep Navy on the schedule. What you are saying is reasonable now but in 2-4yrs when this is all flipped on its head and it’s better the keep the pie in house completely that sort of game is at risk unfortunately.

Father Hesburgh gave us his word.

How’s the Catholic Church holding up these days? I believe that bankruptcy is a repudiation of obligations by definition. And it was triggered by internal dishonesty, hiding of true intentions and behavior I wouldn’t want to bet on.

[old salt]

Army had been largely irrelevant since my buddies from broom co the Davis brothers were captains. They had a decent season here recently but have no business being in major D1 football.

Being close to Ga Tech I agree that the triple option doesn’t work like it used to. Has to be another system that works with size limitations.

I wouldn’t be so sure ND would never stop the academies. That’s a lot of hubris given the same acknowledgement about how much money drives irrational or non-emotional decisions.

Not the academies. Just Navy.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/10/31/ ... ory-part-1
https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/11/2/5 ... ies-part-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy%E2%8 ... ll_rivalry
On August 6, 2020, Navy and Notre Dame signed an agreement continuing their rivalry series for the next 12 seasons, from 2021 through 2032

I feel the same way about Hobart-Cornell & Hobart-Syracuse which have more history than Navy-ND but also dont think that’s permanent and inviolable. Especially when you’re talking the kind of money that major football does. If ND is with group that separates its completely feasible and perhaps likely that game could die.

And contracts don’t mean Jack as we’ve seen over and over and over again.

As long as ND stays independent, it's a good deal for them. They don't have conf games guaranteed. Thus their sched deal with the ACC.
It's the lead CBS game when it's Navy's home year. Navy's "home" game is where they can draw a large subway alum crowd. That's better than playing Wake, Duke, NC St, or GaTech.

Your comment was ND will play Navy as long as we (Navy) wants. That means no matter what ND does or feels in the future or regardless of money they will always find a way to keep Navy on the schedule. What you are saying is reasonable now but in 2-4yrs when this is all flipped on its head and it’s better the keep the pie in house completely that sort of game is at risk unfortunately.

Father Hesburgh gave us his word.

How’s the Catholic Church holding up these days? I believe that bankruptcy is a repudiation of obligations by definition. And it was triggered by internal dishonesty, hiding of true intentions and behavior I wouldn’t want to bet on.

You sound like a disillusioned former alter boy.

[10stone5]

Army had been largely irrelevant since my buddies from broom co the Davis brothers were captains. They had a decent season here recently but have no business being in major D1 football.

Why would you want to open up this ridiculous can of worms ?
Its a silly argument.

There’s a definite place for Army, Navy, Air Force
in Division I,
the Football Subdivision and the SECs notwithstanding.

With of course Army - Navy being one of the top football
games year in and year out, for decades now.

[Farfromgeneva]

Army had been largely irrelevant since my buddies from broom co the Davis brothers were captains. They had a decent season here recently but have no business being in major D1 football.

Being close to Ga Tech I agree that the triple option doesn’t work like it used to. Has to be another system that works with size limitations.

I wouldn’t be so sure ND would never stop the academies. That’s a lot of hubris given the same acknowledgement about how much money drives irrational or non-emotional decisions.

Not the academies. Just Navy.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/10/31/ ... ory-part-1
https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/11/2/5 ... ies-part-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy%E2%8 ... ll_rivalry
On August 6, 2020, Navy and Notre Dame signed an agreement continuing their rivalry series for the next 12 seasons, from 2021 through 2032

I feel the same way about Hobart-Cornell & Hobart-Syracuse which have more history than Navy-ND but also dont think that’s permanent and inviolable. Especially when you’re talking the kind of money that major football does. If ND is with group that separates its completely feasible and perhaps likely that game could die.

And contracts don’t mean Jack as we’ve seen over and over and over again.

As long as ND stays independent, it's a good deal for them. They don't have conf games guaranteed. Thus their sched deal with the ACC.
It's the lead CBS game when it's Navy's home year. Navy's "home" game is where they can draw a large subway alum crowd. That's better than playing Wake, Duke, NC St, or GaTech.

Your comment was ND will play Navy as long as we (Navy) wants. That means no matter what ND does or feels in the future or regardless of money they will always find a way to keep Navy on the schedule. What you are saying is reasonable now but in 2-4yrs when this is all flipped on its head and it’s better the keep the pie in house completely that sort of game is at risk unfortunately.

Father Hesburgh gave us his word.

How’s the Catholic Church holding up these days? I believe that bankruptcy is a repudiation of obligations by definition. And it was triggered by internal dishonesty, hiding of true intentions and behavior I wouldn’t want to bet on.

You sound like a disillusioned former alter boy.

How do you know I wasn’t the pitcher? That’s what is Episcopalians do.

Not sure I’d call rape and incest with the related cover up disillusioned however...

[old salt]

Army had been largely irrelevant since my buddies from broom co the Davis brothers were captains. They had a decent season here recently but have no business being in major D1 football.

Being close to Ga Tech I agree that the triple option doesn’t work like it used to. Has to be another system that works with size limitations.

I wouldn’t be so sure ND would never stop the academies. That’s a lot of hubris given the same acknowledgement about how much money drives irrational or non-emotional decisions.

Not the academies. Just Navy.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/10/31/ ... ory-part-1
https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/11/2/5 ... ies-part-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy%E2%8 ... ll_rivalry
On August 6, 2020, Navy and Notre Dame signed an agreement continuing their rivalry series for the next 12 seasons, from 2021 through 2032

I feel the same way about Hobart-Cornell & Hobart-Syracuse which have more history than Navy-ND but also dont think that’s permanent and inviolable. Especially when you’re talking the kind of money that major football does. If ND is with group that separates its completely feasible and perhaps likely that game could die.

And contracts don’t mean Jack as we’ve seen over and over and over again.

As long as ND stays independent, it's a good deal for them. They don't have conf games guaranteed. Thus their sched deal with the ACC.
It's the lead CBS game when it's Navy's home year. Navy's "home" game is where they can draw a large subway alum crowd. That's better than playing Wake, Duke, NC St, or GaTech.

Your comment was ND will play Navy as long as we (Navy) wants. That means no matter what ND does or feels in the future or regardless of money they will always find a way to keep Navy on the schedule. What you are saying is reasonable now but in 2-4yrs when this is all flipped on its head and it’s better the keep the pie in house completely that sort of game is at risk unfortunately.

Father Hesburgh gave us his word.

How’s the Catholic Church holding up these days? I believe that bankruptcy is a repudiation of obligations by definition. And it was triggered by internal dishonesty, hiding of true intentions and behavior I wouldn’t want to bet on.

You sound like a disillusioned former alter boy.

How do you know I wasn’t the pitcher? That’s what is Episcopalians do.

Not sure I’d call rape and incest with the related cover up disillusioned however...

I suppose that makes Hobart the Episcopalian Notre Dame of college football.

[Farfromgeneva]

Army had been largely irrelevant since my buddies from broom co the Davis brothers were captains. They had a decent season here recently but have no business being in major D1 football.

Why would you want to open up this ridiculous can of worms ?
Its a silly argument.

There’s a definite place for Army, Navy, Air Force
in Division I,
the Football Subdivision and the SECs notwithstanding.

With of course Army - Navy being one of the top football
games year in and year out, for decades now.

Two reasons:

1. The jock sniffers around here (TM blue angels) talk about how half of D1 shouldn’t bother. Well then let’s extend that to where it’s even less competitive on a relative basis. (Top 10 in D1 football is equivalent of top 6-7 in lacrosse proportionately)
2. I have a problem with the SAs participating in this money over everything world if they aren’t going to have a chance at competing at the top and now you have fans like OS who want an easier schedule by having stronger conference members leave. What does that say?

The star game is nostalgia and novelty. I watch it like many but treat it differently than any D1 FBS game I watch and much more like a meaningful to constituents only exhibition game. For a long time was close to a number of Army football players from the 90s. There a large contingent that would agree with me for various reasons including the second one above.

What is D1 of 65/120 schools pull away and take their money with them? If you want to call that D1 (I said FBS suggesting they move to FCS which is still D1 like the PL and CAA). Each year that goes by there’s a coastal Carolina, UCF, App St, Louisiana, Memphis that goes from lower level or non existent to surpassing the academies. Georgia State may be next. As a Hobart alumni get competing against the best with one hand tied behind your back (no scholarships, any agonists NCAA attitude towards our D1 existence I know for a fact) but when their own constituents want to lighten the load then let’s get real about what is an appropriate playing field of competition to swim in. Sticking in FBS is about other reasons, many of which are changing with the landscape of major college athletics.

This isn’t some trashing of a program but rather a thought out position. Of course some folks would be up in arms but wake me when you have friends or close relationships with Army guys who’ve been on NFL rosters in the last 20 or so years. Some of the best at West Point since I was born are of the same opinion I have

[Farfromgeneva]

Army had been largely irrelevant since my buddies from broom co the Davis brothers were captains. They had a decent season here recently but have no business being in major D1 football.

Being close to Ga Tech I agree that the triple option doesn’t work like it used to. Has to be another system that works with size limitations.

I wouldn’t be so sure ND would never stop the academies. That’s a lot of hubris given the same acknowledgement about how much money drives irrational or non-emotional decisions.

Not the academies. Just Navy.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/10/31/ ... ory-part-1
https://www.onefootdown.com/2013/11/2/5 ... ies-part-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy%E2%8 ... ll_rivalry
On August 6, 2020, Navy and Notre Dame signed an agreement continuing their rivalry series for the next 12 seasons, from 2021 through 2032

I feel the same way about Hobart-Cornell & Hobart-Syracuse which have more history than Navy-ND but also dont think that’s permanent and inviolable. Especially when you’re talking the kind of money that major football does. If ND is with group that separates its completely feasible and perhaps likely that game could die.

And contracts don’t mean Jack as we’ve seen over and over and over again.

As long as ND stays independent, it's a good deal for them. They don't have conf games guaranteed. Thus their sched deal with the ACC.
It's the lead CBS game when it's Navy's home year. Navy's "home" game is where they can draw a large subway alum crowd. That's better than playing Wake, Duke, NC St, or GaTech.

Your comment was ND will play Navy as long as we (Navy) wants. That means no matter what ND does or feels in the future or regardless of money they will always find a way to keep Navy on the schedule. What you are saying is reasonable now but in 2-4yrs when this is all flipped on its head and it’s better the keep the pie in house completely that sort of game is at risk unfortunately.

Father Hesburgh gave us his word.

How’s the Catholic Church holding up these days? I believe that bankruptcy is a repudiation of obligations by definition. And it was triggered by internal dishonesty, hiding of true intentions and behavior I wouldn’t want to bet on.

You sound like a disillusioned former alter boy.

How do you know I wasn’t the pitcher? That’s what is Episcopalians do.

Not sure I’d call rape and incest with the related cover up disillusioned however...

I suppose that makes Hobart the Episcopalian Notre Dame of college football.

We don’t cover up our transgressions we wear them with pride. Case in point.

http://dailyorange.com/2005/03/fish-out ... st-hobart/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.colleg ... lent-start

https://bucknellbison.com/news/2000/12/21/209030204

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/lacros ... gplus.html

[wgdsr]

jack coan with 4 passing tds 2 1/2 quarters in for the irish vs fla state.

[Farfromgeneva]

He’s from “Strong Island”... Tessitore is such a goof.

[old salt]

I have a problem with the SAs participating in this money over everything world if they aren’t going to have a chance at competing at the top and now you have fans like OS who want an easier schedule by having stronger conference members leave. What does that say?

The star game is nostalgia and novelty. I watch it like many but treat it differently than any D1 FBS game I watch and much more like a meaningful to constituents only exhibition game. For a long time was close to a number of Army football players from the 90s. There a large contingent that would agree with me for various reasons including the second one above.

What is D1 of 65/120 schools pull away and take their money with them? If you want to call that D1 (I said FBS suggesting they move to FCS which is still D1 like the PL and CAA). Each year that goes by there’s a coastal Carolina, UCF, App St, Louisiana, Memphis that goes from lower level or non existent to surpassing the academies. Georgia State may be next. As a Hobart alumni get competing against the best with one hand tied behind your back (no scholarships, any agonists NCAA attitude towards our D1 existence I know for a fact) but when their own constituents want to lighten the load then let’s get real about what is an appropriate playing field of competition to swim in. Sticking in FBS is about other reasons, many of which are changing with the landscape of major college athletics.

This isn’t some trashing of a program but rather a thought out position. Of course some folks would be up in arms but wake me when you have friends or close relationships with Army guys who’ve been on NFL rosters in the last 20 or so years. Some of the best at West Point since I was born are of the same opinion I have

Navy is 30-17 in the AAC since joining in 2015. In 15 of the past 18 seasons, Navy's had a winning record & been to a bowl game.
2 of the past 3 seasons have been just 3 win seasons (bracketing an 11-2 season).
Since getting a Paul Johnson protege as HC & returning to the TO, Army has caught back up to Navy & AF.

When Navy joined the AAC there were concerns expressed that the tougher competition, week to week, would take a physical toll on the Mids, especially the O-line & the QB in the TO offense. In those 2 recent 3 win seasons, that appeared to be a legit concern.

Last season was a cluster because they had no spring ball & didn't hit in preseason. Unfortunately, they didn't look any more game-ready in yesterday's season opener vs Marshall. Given the inexperience in the QB derby & the toughness of this year's sched, another 3 win season is definitely possible. Navy drew all the best AAC teams in this year's sched & played Marshall instead of a PL team in the opener.

Most concerning yesterday was the O-line , as it was in the 3 win seasons. Navy's success is keyed to an O-line that dominates, or at least holds their own & opens seams with the hated cut blocks. Yesterday the O-line was dominated, as they were in those 3 win seasons.

I agree with YA that watching the TO offense can be frustrating, especially when it's not working due to the O-line or QB misfiring, But when the TO clicks, it eats clock & when paired with a bend-but-don't-break defense, it can produce an 11 win season. The sooner those 3 strongest AAC teams defect, the better the chances that KN-IJ & their TO survive, ...IF the weakened AAC survives.

While condescending D-III powerhouse alums may look down their noses, IMHO -- breaking even in the FBS (& playing on national tv, before packed NFL stadiums), is over-achieving for a service academy.

[Farfromgeneva]

I have a problem with the SAs participating in this money over everything world if they aren’t going to have a chance at competing at the top and now you have fans like OS who want an easier schedule by having stronger conference members leave. What does that say?

The star game is nostalgia and novelty. I watch it like many but treat it differently than any D1 FBS game I watch and much more like a meaningful to constituents only exhibition game. For a long time was close to a number of Army football players from the 90s. There a large contingent that would agree with me for various reasons including the second one above.

What is D1 of 65/120 schools pull away and take their money with them? If you want to call that D1 (I said FBS suggesting they move to FCS which is still D1 like the PL and CAA). Each year that goes by there’s a coastal Carolina, UCF, App St, Louisiana, Memphis that goes from lower level or non existent to surpassing the academies. Georgia State may be next. As a Hobart alumni get competing against the best with one hand tied behind your back (no scholarships, any agonists NCAA attitude towards our D1 existence I know for a fact) but when their own constituents want to lighten the load then let’s get real about what is an appropriate playing field of competition to swim in. Sticking in FBS is about other reasons, many of which are changing with the landscape of major college athletics.

This isn’t some trashing of a program but rather a thought out position. Of course some folks would be up in arms but wake me when you have friends or close relationships with Army guys who’ve been on NFL rosters in the last 20 or so years. Some of the best at West Point since I was born are of the same opinion I have

Navy is 30-17 in the AAC since joining in 2015. In 15 of the past 18 seasons, Navy's had a winning record & been to a bowl game.
2 of the past 3 seasons have been just 3 win seasons (bracketing an 11-2 season).
Since getting a Paul Johnson protege as HC & returning to the TO, Army has caught back up to Navy & AF.

When Navy joined the AAC there were concerns expressed that the tougher competition, week to week, would take a physical toll on the Mids, especially the O-line & the QB in the TO offense. In those 2 recent 3 win seasons, that appeared to be a legit concern.

Last season was a cluster because they had no spring ball & didn't hit in preseason. Unfortunately, they didn't look any more game-ready in yesterday's season opener vs Marshall. Given the inexperience in the QB derby & the toughness of this year's sched, another 3 win season is definitely possible. Navy drew all the best AAC teams in this year's sched & played Marshall instead of a PL team in the opener.

Most concerning yesterday was the O-line , as it was in the 3 win seasons. Navy's success is keyed to an O-line that dominates, or at least holds their own & opens seams with the hated cut blocks. Yesterday the O-line was dominated, as they were in those 3 win seasons.

I agree with YA that watching the TO offense can be frustrating, especially when it's not working due to the O-line or QB misfiring, But when the TO clicks, it eats clock & when paired with a bend-but-don't-break defense, it can produce an 11 win season. The sooner those 3 strongest AAC teams defect, the better the chances that KN-IJ & their TO survive, ...IF the weakened AAC survives.

While condescending D-III powerhouse alums may look down their noses, IMHO -- breaking even in the FBS (& playing on national tv, before packed NFL stadiums), is over-achieving for a service academy.

You had to at the end, don’t forget making an Arena league team and playing semi pro two summers which is much more competitive than you’ve been in four decades. Let’s dilute our competition down to the bottom third of the level and then pull off “winning seasons” and it’s a win. Why not let those teams stay and compete? Why discuss how hard it is when they replace a PL opponent with Marshall? Anticompetitive deck stacking is all that is but it’s not the same as true competition. Either take it as is and hope the NIL doesn’t remove the option anyways or move down. Staying and being reactive to a situation you don’t control while praying for weaker competition doesn’t sound like what they teach in Annapolis. Some people just don’t understand what competing means when they make comments looking down at D3 as if they could handle it in their primes lining up against an OL that’s a weaving 6’2-6’3” and 285 across the board.

Paul Johnson was hated inside tech almost as much as he was by every single other coach in the ACC. Only guy I’ve seen with no friend amongst peers and colleagues at that level in a decade or more. He won early with Gaileys guys which bought him some time but could never build a defense to compete at the highest level.

[old salt]

I have a problem with the SAs participating in this money over everything world if they aren’t going to have a chance at competing at the top and now you have fans like OS who want an easier schedule by having stronger conference members leave. What does that say?

The star game is nostalgia and novelty. I watch it like many but treat it differently than any D1 FBS game I watch and much more like a meaningful to constituents only exhibition game. For a long time was close to a number of Army football players from the 90s. There a large contingent that would agree with me for various reasons including the second one above.

What is D1 of 65/120 schools pull away and take their money with them? If you want to call that D1 (I said FBS suggesting they move to FCS which is still D1 like the PL and CAA). Each year that goes by there’s a coastal Carolina, UCF, App St, Louisiana, Memphis that goes from lower level or non existent to surpassing the academies. Georgia State may be next. As a Hobart alumni get competing against the best with one hand tied behind your back (no scholarships, any agonists NCAA attitude towards our D1 existence I know for a fact) but when their own constituents want to lighten the load then let’s get real about what is an appropriate playing field of competition to swim in. Sticking in FBS is about other reasons, many of which are changing with the landscape of major college athletics.

This isn’t some trashing of a program but rather a thought out position. Of course some folks would be up in arms but wake me when you have friends or close relationships with Army guys who’ve been on NFL rosters in the last 20 or so years. Some of the best at West Point since I was born are of the same opinion I have

Navy is 30-17 in the AAC since joining in 2015. In 15 of the past 18 seasons, Navy's had a winning record & been to a bowl game.
2 of the past 3 seasons have been just 3 win seasons (bracketing an 11-2 season).
Since getting a Paul Johnson protege as HC & returning to the TO, Army has caught back up to Navy & AF.

When Navy joined the AAC there were concerns expressed that the tougher competition, week to week, would take a physical toll on the Mids, especially the O-line & the QB in the TO offense. In those 2 recent 3 win seasons, that appeared to be a legit concern.

Last season was a cluster because they had no spring ball & didn't hit in preseason. Unfortunately, they didn't look any more game-ready in yesterday's season opener vs Marshall. Given the inexperience in the QB derby & the toughness of this year's sched, another 3 win season is definitely possible. Navy drew all the best AAC teams in this year's sched & played Marshall instead of a PL team in the opener.

Most concerning yesterday was the O-line , as it was in the 3 win seasons. Navy's success is keyed to an O-line that dominates, or at least holds their own & opens seams with the hated cut blocks. Yesterday the O-line was dominated, as they were in those 3 win seasons.

I agree with YA that watching the TO offense can be frustrating, especially when it's not working due to the O-line or QB misfiring, But when the TO clicks, it eats clock & when paired with a bend-but-don't-break defense, it can produce an 11 win season. The sooner those 3 strongest AAC teams defect, the better the chances that KN-IJ & their TO survive, ...IF the weakened AAC survives.

While condescending D-III powerhouse alums may look down their noses, IMHO -- breaking even in the FBS (& playing on national tv, before packed NFL stadiums), is over-achieving for a service academy.

You had to at the end, don’t forget making an Arena league team and playing semi pro two summers which is much more competitive than you’ve been in four decades. Let’s dilute our competition down to the bottom third of the level and then pull off “winning seasons” and it’s a win. Why not let those teams stay and compete? Why discuss how hard it is when they replace a PL opponent with Marshall? Anticompetitive deck stacking is all that is but it’s not the same as true competition. Either take it as is and hope the NIL doesn’t remove the option anyways or move down. Staying and being reactive to a situation you don’t control while praying for weaker competition doesn’t sound like what they teach in Annapolis. Some people just don’t understand what competing means when they make comments looking down at D3 as if they could handle it in their primes lining up against an OL that’s a weaving 6’2-6’3” and 285 across the board.

Paul Johnson was hated inside tech almost as much as he was by every single other coach in the ACC. Only guy I’ve seen with no friend amongst peers and colleagues at that level in a decade or more. He won early with Gaileys guys which bought him some time but could never build a defense to compete at the highest level.

I voiced my preference as a fan who enjoys seeing Navy be competitive on a week to week basis. Except for 5 years under George Welsh & a couple under Charlie Weatherbee (when PJ/KN/IJ were the O coaches running the TO), it was a lot of seasons of bad, losing football, since Staubach departed after 1964. PJ brought the TO to Navy, KN/IJ kept it going. Without them, Navy would be as competitive as Rice has been or Army was before another PJ protege rescued them. Going 11-2 & winning bowl games over ACC & Big 12 opponents is something I never expected to see.

Saturday in Atlanta, Army put on a clinic demonstrating how effective Paul Johnson's triple option can be for a service academy.
I hope you took the opportunity to see it in person.

[Kikin]

GREAT LAKES INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETIC CONFERENCE WEEKLY AWARDS


OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK: Jared Bernhardt - Ferris State

Ferris State University senior quarterback Jared Bernhardt sparkled in his collegiate football debut, leading the third-ranked Bulldogs to an impressive 54-14 home win over Findlay on Thursday night at Top Taggart Field. Bernhardt, who was the NCAA Division I National Lacrosse Player of the Year at Maryland last spring, accounted for seven touchdowns in his first college football game, including running for four scores. He carried the ball 12 times for 120 yards, averaging 10.0 yards a carry, while also completing 12-of-14 throws for 218 yards and three TD’s.

chuckle with the "NCAA Division 1 National Lacrosse Player of the Year"

[AreaLax]

Ferris Coach talks about Jared

[Drcthru]

Ferris State is a good D II football school. I wonder if he's trying to catch the eye of an NFL scout?

The answer is yes, and he already has. The best athlete in D1 lacrosse any year can compete with NFL players athletically. The next question is does that lacrosse player have the size, and the answer with Jared is yes (Sowers, Montgomery and Gray, though great lax athletes, cannot check that box unless they can play the tiny receiver/punt returner role).

So the next check is does he have a football skill....that is TBD. If he only wants to be a QB, that could be a huge leap. If he wants to play QB in D2 and transition to WR in the NFL, that is certainly possible. Even college QB to NFL safety is possible and Jared is certainly capable of that. Even a pro switch to running back is possible considering his elite athleticism. I wouldn't bet against him. There are a few recent running backs from Maryland (obviously a bad football team for the past 15 years) that are doing well in the NFL; Jared is at least as good athletically as them.

Chris Hogan?

[DocBarrister]

Ferris Coach talks about Jared

If Bernhardt has a very productive season, he has a shot at being drafted in the 5th through 7th round of the NFL draft. Usually just a few Division II players get drafted each season in the late rounds. If he doesn’t get drafted, still has the “classic” free agent and practice squad route.

But sounds like he’s just having a lot of fun.

DocBarrister

[Farfromgeneva]

I have a problem with the SAs participating in this money over everything world if they aren’t going to have a chance at competing at the top and now you have fans like OS who want an easier schedule by having stronger conference members leave. What does that say?

The star game is nostalgia and novelty. I watch it like many but treat it differently than any D1 FBS game I watch and much more like a meaningful to constituents only exhibition game. For a long time was close to a number of Army football players from the 90s. There a large contingent that would agree with me for various reasons including the second one above.

What is D1 of 65/120 schools pull away and take their money with them? If you want to call that D1 (I said FBS suggesting they move to FCS which is still D1 like the PL and CAA). Each year that goes by there’s a coastal Carolina, UCF, App St, Louisiana, Memphis that goes from lower level or non existent to surpassing the academies. Georgia State may be next. As a Hobart alumni get competing against the best with one hand tied behind your back (no scholarships, any agonists NCAA attitude towards our D1 existence I know for a fact) but when their own constituents want to lighten the load then let’s get real about what is an appropriate playing field of competition to swim in. Sticking in FBS is about other reasons, many of which are changing with the landscape of major college athletics.

This isn’t some trashing of a program but rather a thought out position. Of course some folks would be up in arms but wake me when you have friends or close relationships with Army guys who’ve been on NFL rosters in the last 20 or so years. Some of the best at West Point since I was born are of the same opinion I have

Navy is 30-17 in the AAC since joining in 2015. In 15 of the past 18 seasons, Navy's had a winning record & been to a bowl game.
2 of the past 3 seasons have been just 3 win seasons (bracketing an 11-2 season).
Since getting a Paul Johnson protege as HC & returning to the TO, Army has caught back up to Navy & AF.

When Navy joined the AAC there were concerns expressed that the tougher competition, week to week, would take a physical toll on the Mids, especially the O-line & the QB in the TO offense. In those 2 recent 3 win seasons, that appeared to be a legit concern.

Last season was a cluster because they had no spring ball & didn't hit in preseason. Unfortunately, they didn't look any more game-ready in yesterday's season opener vs Marshall. Given the inexperience in the QB derby & the toughness of this year's sched, another 3 win season is definitely possible. Navy drew all the best AAC teams in this year's sched & played Marshall instead of a PL team in the opener.

Most concerning yesterday was the O-line , as it was in the 3 win seasons. Navy's success is keyed to an O-line that dominates, or at least holds their own & opens seams with the hated cut blocks. Yesterday the O-line was dominated, as they were in those 3 win seasons.

I agree with YA that watching the TO offense can be frustrating, especially when it's not working due to the O-line or QB misfiring, But when the TO clicks, it eats clock & when paired with a bend-but-don't-break defense, it can produce an 11 win season. The sooner those 3 strongest AAC teams defect, the better the chances that KN-IJ & their TO survive, ...IF the weakened AAC survives.

While condescending D-III powerhouse alums may look down their noses, IMHO -- breaking even in the FBS (& playing on national tv, before packed NFL stadiums), is over-achieving for a service academy.

You got your wish as all the better programs and superior competition of Navy’s bounced to the big 12

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... r-exit-fee

[youthathletics]

I have a problem with the SAs participating in this money over everything world if they aren’t going to have a chance at competing at the top and now you have fans like OS who want an easier schedule by having stronger conference members leave. What does that say?

The star game is nostalgia and novelty. I watch it like many but treat it differently than any D1 FBS game I watch and much more like a meaningful to constituents only exhibition game. For a long time was close to a number of Army football players from the 90s. There a large contingent that would agree with me for various reasons including the second one above.

What is D1 of 65/120 schools pull away and take their money with them? If you want to call that D1 (I said FBS suggesting they move to FCS which is still D1 like the PL and CAA). Each year that goes by there’s a coastal Carolina, UCF, App St, Louisiana, Memphis that goes from lower level or non existent to surpassing the academies. Georgia State may be next. As a Hobart alumni get competing against the best with one hand tied behind your back (no scholarships, any agonists NCAA attitude towards our D1 existence I know for a fact) but when their own constituents want to lighten the load then let’s get real about what is an appropriate playing field of competition to swim in. Sticking in FBS is about other reasons, many of which are changing with the landscape of major college athletics.

This isn’t some trashing of a program but rather a thought out position. Of course some folks would be up in arms but wake me when you have friends or close relationships with Army guys who’ve been on NFL rosters in the last 20 or so years. Some of the best at West Point since I was born are of the same opinion I have

Navy is 30-17 in the AAC since joining in 2015. In 15 of the past 18 seasons, Navy's had a winning record & been to a bowl game.
2 of the past 3 seasons have been just 3 win seasons (bracketing an 11-2 season).
Since getting a Paul Johnson protege as HC & returning to the TO, Army has caught back up to Navy & AF.

When Navy joined the AAC there were concerns expressed that the tougher competition, week to week, would take a physical toll on the Mids, especially the O-line & the QB in the TO offense. In those 2 recent 3 win seasons, that appeared to be a legit concern.

Last season was a cluster because they had no spring ball & didn't hit in preseason. Unfortunately, they didn't look any more game-ready in yesterday's season opener vs Marshall. Given the inexperience in the QB derby & the toughness of this year's sched, another 3 win season is definitely possible. Navy drew all the best AAC teams in this year's sched & played Marshall instead of a PL team in the opener.

Most concerning yesterday was the O-line , as it was in the 3 win seasons. Navy's success is keyed to an O-line that dominates, or at least holds their own & opens seams with the hated cut blocks. Yesterday the O-line was dominated, as they were in those 3 win seasons.

I agree with YA that watching the TO offense can be frustrating, especially when it's not working due to the O-line or QB misfiring, But when the TO clicks, it eats clock & when paired with a bend-but-don't-break defense, it can produce an 11 win season. The sooner those 3 strongest AAC teams defect, the better the chances that KN-IJ & their TO survive, ...IF the weakened AAC survives.

While condescending D-III powerhouse alums may look down their noses, IMHO -- breaking even in the FBS (& playing on national tv, before packed NFL stadiums), is over-achieving for a service academy.

You got your wish as all the better programs and superior competition of Navy’s bounced to the big 12

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... r-exit-fee

Interesting, thanks for posting. Now the pressure will really be on Navy...they only thing Navy FB can hope for now, is that they get their Sh*t together. Maybe, put a damned qb in the game that can consistently throw a damned football reasonably accurate and the O-line can buy the qb at least 2.7 - 3.5 seconds to go through their progressions. If your line of scrimmage is collapsing in under 2.5 seconds.....you're only left with trickery and prayers of defensive scoring.

Teams know how to ruin Navy's day rather quickly, not to mention, to protect themselves from all the damned chop blocking to save themselves for the remainder of the season. Defensive units barely even need to rush the line of scrimmage any longer vs the TO (just fill gaps in waves) especially if you do not throw.

Hope today goes better and we see some improvement. at the LoS.

[Farfromgeneva]

I have a problem with the SAs participating in this money over everything world if they aren’t going to have a chance at competing at the top and now you have fans like OS who want an easier schedule by having stronger conference members leave. What does that say?

The star game is nostalgia and novelty. I watch it like many but treat it differently than any D1 FBS game I watch and much more like a meaningful to constituents only exhibition game. For a long time was close to a number of Army football players from the 90s. There a large contingent that would agree with me for various reasons including the second one above.

What is D1 of 65/120 schools pull away and take their money with them? If you want to call that D1 (I said FBS suggesting they move to FCS which is still D1 like the PL and CAA). Each year that goes by there’s a coastal Carolina, UCF, App St, Louisiana, Memphis that goes from lower level or non existent to surpassing the academies. Georgia State may be next. As a Hobart alumni get competing against the best with one hand tied behind your back (no scholarships, any agonists NCAA attitude towards our D1 existence I know for a fact) but when their own constituents want to lighten the load then let’s get real about what is an appropriate playing field of competition to swim in. Sticking in FBS is about other reasons, many of which are changing with the landscape of major college athletics.

This isn’t some trashing of a program but rather a thought out position. Of course some folks would be up in arms but wake me when you have friends or close relationships with Army guys who’ve been on NFL rosters in the last 20 or so years. Some of the best at West Point since I was born are of the same opinion I have

Navy is 30-17 in the AAC since joining in 2015. In 15 of the past 18 seasons, Navy's had a winning record & been to a bowl game.
2 of the past 3 seasons have been just 3 win seasons (bracketing an 11-2 season).
Since getting a Paul Johnson protege as HC & returning to the TO, Army has caught back up to Navy & AF.

When Navy joined the AAC there were concerns expressed that the tougher competition, week to week, would take a physical toll on the Mids, especially the O-line & the QB in the TO offense. In those 2 recent 3 win seasons, that appeared to be a legit concern.

Last season was a cluster because they had no spring ball & didn't hit in preseason. Unfortunately, they didn't look any more game-ready in yesterday's season opener vs Marshall. Given the inexperience in the QB derby & the toughness of this year's sched, another 3 win season is definitely possible. Navy drew all the best AAC teams in this year's sched & played Marshall instead of a PL team in the opener.

Most concerning yesterday was the O-line , as it was in the 3 win seasons. Navy's success is keyed to an O-line that dominates, or at least holds their own & opens seams with the hated cut blocks. Yesterday the O-line was dominated, as they were in those 3 win seasons.

I agree with YA that watching the TO offense can be frustrating, especially when it's not working due to the O-line or QB misfiring, But when the TO clicks, it eats clock & when paired with a bend-but-don't-break defense, it can produce an 11 win season. The sooner those 3 strongest AAC teams defect, the better the chances that KN-IJ & their TO survive, ...IF the weakened AAC survives.

While condescending D-III powerhouse alums may look down their noses, IMHO -- breaking even in the FBS (& playing on national tv, before packed NFL stadiums), is over-achieving for a service academy.

You got your wish as all the better programs and superior competition of Navy’s bounced to the big 12

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... r-exit-fee

Interesting, thanks for posting. Now the pressure will really be on Navy...they only thing Navy FB can hope for now, is that they get their Sh*t together. Maybe, put a damned qb in the game that can consistently throw a damned football reasonably accurate and the O-line can buy the qb at least 2.7 - 3.5 seconds to go through their progressions. If your line of scrimmage is collapsing in under 2.5 seconds.....you're only left with trickery and prayers of defensive scoring.

Teams know how to ruin Navy's day rather quickly, not to mention, to protect themselves from all the damned chop blocking to save themselves for the remainder of the season. Defensive units barely even need to rush the line of scrimmage any longer vs the TO (just fill gaps in waves) especially if you do not throw.

Hope today goes better and we see some improvement. at the LoS.

The size restrictions are always going to be an issue given where the size of lines has gone. Triple option is not hard to defend you just have to have 11 guys playing their assignment and not chase the ball. The eBay players can make a play while handling their assignment.

Chop blocks do suck. Even with thigh pads I’ve had deep bone bruises that made walking not all the much fun (and forced my girlfriend to do more work those weeks as well..)