All things CoronaVirus

[Farfromgeneva]

How do we feel about a second grade teacher taking a week to go
to an equestrian event? That’s what my daughters 2nd grade teacher is doing. On the one hand they have their lives too. On the other hand as civil servants who supposedly claim they are teachers for their love of children and that work it doesn’t seem very consideration given the school is finding positive tests weekly since starting back up 8/6. I know I’ve cancelled personal events because of this and I’m not responsible for teaching a class of 6-7yr olds.

[wgdsr]

maldives leads the world in vaxxes @ ~90%. they're at us equivalent 102,000 infections daily and ~600 deaths. delta is not done with us.

Yes. But that's not operating in a void. We're all connected.

Ask any virologist if the world would be further along if the US was at 90%, versus where we are now.

What will they say? You know the answer.


Then ask them how smart it is to allow the virus to mutate further, and give them, what---an extra (roughly) 100,000,000 unvaccinated Americans 12yo and over to feed on.

I know you've been playing devils advocate, and I appreciate that. But we're on the clock now that we have vaccine(s). Time matters.

i only commented because you said this thing would be over. had it been we'd be further down the road, yada, i would agree and not said peep. and not on you, but you're far from the first to posit that general sentiment. i'm still not sure if people actually believe that or it's exaggeration for effect.

[a fan]

maldives leads the world in vaxxes @ ~90%. they're at us equivalent 102,000 infections daily and ~600 deaths. delta is not done with us.

Yes. But that's not operating in a void. We're all connected.

Ask any virologist if the world would be further along if the US was at 90%, versus where we are now.

What will they say? You know the answer.


Then ask them how smart it is to allow the virus to mutate further, and give them, what---an extra (roughly) 100,000,000 unvaccinated Americans 12yo and over to feed on.

I know you've been playing devils advocate, and I appreciate that. But we're on the clock now that we have vaccine(s). Time matters.

i only commented because you said this thing would be over. had it been we'd be further down the road, yada, i would agree and not said peep. and not on you, but you're far from the first to posit that general sentiment. i'm still not sure if people actually believe that or it's exaggeration for effect.

Yeah, we're splitting hairs here, and it's my fault for not being specific.

My opinion? Our hospitals would be utterly empty if we were at 90% vaccinated. But yep, that's speculation.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://apnews.com/article/business-hea ... 681b315770

From your cite: "Gov. Ron DeSantis has strongly opposed certain mandatory measures to keep the virus in check, saying people should be trusted to make decisions for themselves"

DeSantis is lying here. The State of Florida does NOT trust people to make their own decisions.

Wanna attend PreSchool in Florida---public AND private? Here ya go:
Vaccines for....
DTaP
IPV
MMR
Varicella
Hib
Pneumococcal conjugate (PCV13)
Hepatitis B (Hep B)

..and more mandatory vaccines for K-12.

How about Pete's alma mater, UFlorida? Yup. He, too, was FORCED by the .gov to vaccinate.....

https://healthcompliance.shcc.ufl.edu/f ... 002gen.pdf

....these voters are getting played by DeSantis touting a freedom that they don't actually have. What's worse, is that FLA residents know full freaking well that they and their kids have taken SEVERAL vaccines so they could attend K-12.

It’s sad. I remember when an estimate of 200,000 dead Americans was called “fear porn” and masks were “virtue signaling”…. This was from people that are supposedly “educated”. We now have people listening to Joe Rogan instead of doctors and scientists.

[Farfromgeneva]

https://apnews.com/article/business-hea ... 681b315770

From your cite: "Gov. Ron DeSantis has strongly opposed certain mandatory measures to keep the virus in check, saying people should be trusted to make decisions for themselves"

DeSantis is lying here. The State of Florida does NOT trust people to make their own decisions.

Wanna attend PreSchool in Florida---public AND private? Here ya go:
Vaccines for....
DTaP
IPV
MMR
Varicella
Hib
Pneumococcal conjugate (PCV13)
Hepatitis B (Hep B)

..and more mandatory vaccines for K-12.

How about Pete's alma mater, UFlorida? Yup. He, too, was FORCED by the .gov to vaccinate.....

https://healthcompliance.shcc.ufl.edu/f ... 002gen.pdf

....these voters are getting played by DeSantis touting a freedom that they don't actually have. What's worse, is that FLA residents know full freaking well that they and their kids have taken SEVERAL vaccines so they could attend K-12.

It’s sad. I remember when an estimate of 200,000 dead Americans was called “fear porn” and masks were “virtue signaling”…. This was from people that are supposedly “educated”. We now have people listening to Joe Rogan instead of doctors and scientists.

And Glen Greenwald

[DMac]

How do we feel about a second grade teacher taking a week to go
to an equestrian event? That’s what my daughters 2nd grade teacher is doing. On the one hand they have their lives too. On the other hand as civil servants who supposedly claim they are teachers for their love of children and that work it doesn’t seem very consideration given the school is finding positive tests weekly since starting back up 8/6. I know I’ve cancelled personal events because of this and I’m not responsible for teaching a class of 6-7yr olds.

I'm figuring the teacher went through the proper channels/procedures to get the time off so what's the problem here?
Can't imagine it being all that difficult to find a fill in to teach 6 and 7 year olds for a week without their missing out on a whole lot.

[a fan]

It’s sad. I remember when an estimate of 200,000 dead Americans was called “fear porn” and masks were “virtue signaling”…. This was from people that are supposedly “educated”.

Recall that I asked one of the "fear porn" guys what his acceptable number of deaths from Covid was back in the early summer of 2020. He wouldn't give a number. Why? Because he knew he'd sound insane.

All of this "anti-doctor" stuff sounds fine-----ASSUMING you don't care how many people die from this. So long as you don't care? Yep.....masks, vaccines, etc. are all stupid and pointless. Because it doesn't matter to you if the number is 100K, or 100M. So long as YOU don't die, there's no difference between one hundred thousand, and one million....right?

We now have people listening to Joe Rogan instead of doctors and scientists.

Except they don't. Look at the number of eligible, yet un vaccinated people showing up at hospitals.

This is a new kind of stupid: if you don't believe what doctors tell you? What the F are you doing heading to a building full of doctors who will tell you what to do? This is "holy cr*p, how do you have enough brain cells to find your way home every night" level of stupidity.

If you don't believe in doctors, that's exiting news----stay the F home and die from Covid, and get your "health care" from the internet.

Make your contribution to the world be: consistency.

[youthathletics]

Latest on WUHAN U, not much to add...further down in the article it says they were awfully close and maybe hit a home run but hadn't documented it....yet.

[kramerica.inc]

Be careful. You are treading awfully close- Viruses shouldn’t be described as “Chinese” lest you want to get your hand slapped…

[runrussellrun]

https://apnews.com/article/business-hea ... 681b315770

From your cite: "Gov. Ron DeSantis has strongly opposed certain mandatory measures to keep the virus in check, saying people should be trusted to make decisions for themselves"

DeSantis is lying here. The State of Florida does NOT trust people to make their own decisions.

Wanna attend PreSchool in Florida---public AND private? Here ya go:
Vaccines for....
DTaP
IPV
MMR
Varicella
Hib
Pneumococcal conjugate (PCV13)
Hepatitis B (Hep B)

..and more mandatory vaccines for K-12.

How about Pete's alma mater, UFlorida? Yup. He, too, was FORCED by the .gov to vaccinate.....

https://healthcompliance.shcc.ufl.edu/f ... 002gen.pdf

....these voters are getting played by DeSantis touting a freedom that they don't actually have. What's worse, is that FLA residents know full freaking well that they and their kids have taken SEVERAL vaccines so they could attend K-12.

It’s sad. I remember when an estimate of 200,000 dead Americans was called “fear porn” and masks were “virtue signaling”…. This was from people that are supposedly “educated”. We now have people listening to Joe Rogan instead of doctors and scientists.

All the vaccines, listed, have been on the "market" for years and years. (notice HPV is NOT on this list.........geez )

fear porn indeed.

delta variant.....yup, more fear porn.

Joe Rogan? Written like the fools that don't listen to his podcast.

Can you name the guest, in question ?

hpv.......because the god fearing,, what's his name again....the old Texas Governor....ran for POTUSA?

HE was all in with the hpv vaccine........balls deep......in cash. Like you.

meanhile, you still haven't axeded the research family member about antibodies in those of us that are covid survivors............and something about the science.......and not getting covid again.....very rare. but, but. but....yes....more fear porn

meanwhile, 8 months on the job, and, according to the fear porn pushers ......it will never be over

[runrussellrun]

vaccines work.....ALL of them......always......because this is what I believe.

https://www.fairwarning.org/2018/12/vac ... -billions/

Yet the program’s payouts to those injured and their attorneys have mounted since the late 1980s, when the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act set up the vaccine court as an alternative to lawsuits for people seeking compensation for adverse reactions to vaccines. Payments—which surpassed $4 billion by Dec. 1, according to data from the federal Health Resources & Services Administration—come from a trust fund supplied by a surcharge on vaccines.

Documented vaccine injuries are extremely rare. Over the past 30 years, the vaccine court has received 20,123 petitions claiming injuries and deaths, of which nearly 18,000 have been resolved. Of those, 6,313 have been approved for compensation through settlements or judgments. According to the Health Resources & Services Administration, that translates into approximately one compensable case for every one million doses of vaccines administered.


emergency immunity, from lawsuits, these covid vaccine have. New type, approved by your hero DonTrump, clearly doesn't work......

just take it.

insane

antibodies don't matter

[runrussellrun]

Fisher noted that two-thirds of petitioners who apply for compensation are turned away, which she said departs from the original mandate to assume an injury was caused by a vaccine unless there is a more plausible explanation.

The Government Accountability Office echoed some of Fisher’s concerns in a 2014 review of the VICP, which emphasized that most of the claims filed since 1999 were taking years to adjudicate. More than 1,000 claims were pending as of 2014, with some petitioners stuck in limbo for over a decade, the watchdog agency said.


Imagine how many just don't even know you can file a claim.

Of course, we are keeping great, detailed records, of those vaccinated.

Remember, science says, you can't get covid twice, unlike the "flu"

Can you get covid 19 twice? why lie about the answer? Or ignore the question.

Natural immunity. Covid survivors have no rites

[MDlaxfan76]

Believe It: A Top Old School Journalist Stands Up for Ivermectin and Free Speech

https://rescue.substack.com/p/believe-i ... journalist

]thanks tech. the state of the discussion on therapeutics writ large continues to fascinate.

thanks tech?
There's a 45 year old editor who feels disinformation is 'free speech' and we're glad about that?

Guess what state the good editor is in???

You must have been referring to this "disinformation."

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1 ... gr%5Etweet

hadn't seen Maddow's tweet (I don't go on Twitter much as it is, much less follow any of these sorts, whether Maddow, Greenwald or anyone else). If she's got a story wrong, she should correct it.

However....Promoting snake oil is much more dangerous than spreading news (incorrectly) that there's a raft of snake oil poisonings at a specific place. But still wrong and should be corrected.

[MDlaxfan76]

maldives leads the world in vaxxes @ ~90%. they're at us equivalent 102,000 infections daily and ~600 deaths. delta is not done with us.

Yes. But that's not operating in a void. We're all connected.

Ask any virologist if the world would be further along if the US was at 90%, versus where we are now.

What will they say? You know the answer.


Then ask them how smart it is to allow the virus to mutate further, and give them, what---an extra (roughly) 100,000,000 unvaccinated Americans 12yo and over to feed on.

I know you've been playing devils advocate, and I appreciate that. But we're on the clock now that we have vaccine(s). Time matters.

i only commented because you said this thing would be over. had it been we'd be further down the road, yada, i would agree and not said peep. and not on you, but you're far from the first to posit that general sentiment. i'm still not sure if people actually believe that or it's exaggeration for effect.

Yeah, we're splitting hairs here, and it's my fault for not being specific.

My opinion? Our hospitals would be utterly empty if we were at 90% vaccinated. But yep, that's speculation.

If not "utterly", certainly not overflowing as they are now in many areas. Manageable.

Economy wouldn't be spooked either.

[tech37]

Believe It: A Top Old School Journalist Stands Up for Ivermectin and Free Speech

https://rescue.substack.com/p/believe-i ... journalist

]thanks tech. the state of the discussion on therapeutics writ large continues to fascinate.

thanks tech?
There's a 45 year old editor who feels disinformation is 'free speech' and we're glad about that?

Guess what state the good editor is in???

You must have been referring to this "disinformation."

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1 ... gr%5Etweet

hadn't seen Maddow's tweet (I don't go on Twitter much as it is, much less follow any of these sorts, whether Maddow, Greenwald or anyone else). If she's got a story wrong, she should correct it.

However....Promoting snake oil is much more dangerous than spreading news (incorrectly) that there's a raft of snake oil poisonings at a specific place. But still wrong and should be corrected.

So that i understand your type of thinking, anything not approved for use against Covid, by FDA, CDC, WHO, etc., etc. is considered "snake oil"?

[jhu72]

Northeastern Health System Sequoyah story.

[MDlaxfan76]

Believe It: A Top Old School Journalist Stands Up for Ivermectin and Free Speech

https://rescue.substack.com/p/believe-i ... journalist

]thanks tech. the state of the discussion on therapeutics writ large continues to fascinate.

thanks tech?
There's a 45 year old editor who feels disinformation is 'free speech' and we're glad about that?

Guess what state the good editor is in???

You must have been referring to this "disinformation."

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1 ... gr%5Etweet

hadn't seen Maddow's tweet (I don't go on Twitter much as it is, much less follow any of these sorts, whether Maddow, Greenwald or anyone else). If she's got a story wrong, she should correct it.

However....Promoting snake oil is much more dangerous than spreading news (incorrectly) that there's a raft of snake oil poisonings at a specific place. But still wrong and should be corrected.

So that i understand your type of thinking, anything not approved for use against Covid, by FDA, CDC, WHO, etc., etc. is considered "snake oil"?

Anything?
Sure, whether it's bleach or HCQ or ivermectin, none of it should be "promoted" or "claimed" as a cure for Covid until it's actually been proven as such by credible institutions and scientists.

You can try to keep yourself healthy and immune system stronger a whole range of perfectly appropriate ways, but spreading false hope of a miracle cure is indeed quite dangerous in the ways I've previously described, including being a drag on the public choosing to do things that actually do work, like getting vaccinated and various aspects of social distancing.

Ivermectin is not "snake oil" when applied to de-worming. It has valid uses.
Bleach is good for cleaning too. Valid use.

But when claimed to be a cure for Covid, these are "snake oil" claims.

[jhu72]

According to the National Poison Data System (NPDS), which collects information from the nation's 55 poison control centers, there was a 245% jump in reported ivermectin exposure cases from July to August — from 133 to 459. Year over year, January 1 - August 31, NPDS reports a 163% increase.

[Farfromgeneva]

How do we feel about a second grade teacher taking a week to go
to an equestrian event? That’s what my daughters 2nd grade teacher is doing. On the one hand they have their lives too. On the other hand as civil servants who supposedly claim they are teachers for their love of children and that work it doesn’t seem very consideration given the school is finding positive tests weekly since starting back up 8/6. I know I’ve cancelled personal events because of this and I’m not responsible for teaching a class of 6-7yr olds.

I'm figuring the teacher went through the proper channels/procedures to get the time off so what's the problem here?
Can't imagine it being all that difficult to find a fill in to teach 6 and 7 year olds for a week without their missing out on a whole lot.

The problem is my sons 3rd grade class has had two students and now his teacher and family have gotten Covid in less than a month since starting back up. I still think if teachers want the grace and glory they scream for every day (I see it on instabook all the time) then they should be behaving above and beyond the guy who goes to his accounting job daily.

Not all jobs are equal. What if she comes back having contracted it and misses longer or spreads it within the school? There’s a difference between a total lockdown and going out and having fun during your work time, early in a year when we know this thing is ramping back up. Basically there’ll be no excuses if anything goes wrong. If she god forbid had to miss the rest of the year related to it I’d suggest she shouldn’t be teaching.

[Farfromgeneva]

Be careful. You are treading awfully close- Viruses shouldn’t be described as “Chinese” lest you want to get your hand slapped…

Or because viruses don’t have nationalities therefore there’s another meaning and politicization of a deadly disease which only stupid people would do.