Conservative Ideology 2024: NOTHING BUT LIES AND FEARMONGERING

[DocBarrister]

Never mind the Taliban in Afghanistan. We have Taliban right here in Texas … otherwise known as the Texas Republican Party.

The new Republican anti-abortion bill allows private citizens to terrorize their neighbors by threatening to take their family members to court if the woman has an abortion. It allows private citizens, for example, to sue a woman’s husband if he drives her to an abortion clinic or provides money for the abortion.

In civil litigation, depositions are permitted. So, neighbors can depose both the husband and wife about the abortion. Heck, they could in theory even depose their children to help build their case against the husband.

The measure -- signed into law by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott in May and set to go into effect on Wednesday -- prohibits abortion providers from conducting abortions once a fetal heartbeat is detected. It would effectively outlaw at least 85% of the abortions sought in the state, according to opponents of the law, since that point is around six weeks into the pregnancy, before some women know they're pregnant.

The law was passed amid a slew of restrictions that were approved by GOP legislatures across the country this year, after the confirmation of Justice Amy Coney Barrett jerked the Supreme Court further to right and made it more likely that the court will scale back or reverse entirely Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that enshrined a constitutional right to an abortion before the fetus is viable.

But among those restrictions, the Texas bill stands out for the novel approach it takes in curtailing the procedure.

… Rather than imposing a criminal or regulatory punishment for those who conduct abortions after the point in the pregnancy, the state law created a so-called "private right of action" to enforce the restriction. Essentially, the legislature deputized private citizens to bring civil litigation -- with the threat of $10,000 or more in damages -- against providers or even anyone who helped a woman access an abortion after six weeks.

… Additionally, the law exposes to the civil damages anyone who "knowingly ... aids or abets" in the performance of abortion after the heartbeat is detected, even as it excludes from liability the woman who received the abortion.

The language is vague but has prompted fears that family members who drive patients to receive abortion or donors to abortion funds that help pay for the procedure will be vulnerable to civil litigation.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/31/politics ... index.html

In summary, the Republican Party of Texas (aka, the Texas Taliban) wants to impose their extremist religious ideology on everyone, using the threat of civil litigation.

Imagine your neighbors suing you because they think, mistakenly, that your wife got an abortion. Through civil litigation, they can serve written discovery requests and obtain copies of your financial records and your personal medical records. They can conduct depositions of your entire family to “prove” that the wife/mother had an abortion. (“Hi, Lisa, did your mommy ever tell you she was expecting a baby last year? Remember, Lisa, you can get in big trouble if you don’t tell us the truth. Look straight into the camera as you give your answer.”)

Can there be little doubt that the Republican Party is evolving into a racist, fascist organization that wants to impose a theocratic dictatorship on the United States?

Are they really that different from the Taliban?

DocBarrister

Stop it.

Such a lie.

Provide the actual bill, or just go away.

Us vs Them.

Is that what is taught at JFK school of public health.......to hate ?

https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB8/id/2395961

Sec. 171.208. CIVIL LIABILITY FOR VIOLATION OR AIDING OR
ABETTING VIOLATION. (a) Any person, other than an officer or
employee of a state or local governmental entity in this state, may
bring a civil action against any person who:
(1) performs or induces an abortion in violation of
this subchapter;
(2) knowingly engages in conduct that aids or abets
the performance or inducement of an abortion, including paying for
or reimbursing the costs of an abortion through insurance or
otherwise, if the abortion is performed or induced in violation of
this subchapter, regardless of whether the person knew or should
have known that the abortion would be performed or induced in
violation of this subchapter;

DocBarrister

Strange law.......glad Texas wastes its time with junk like this. Some comments mentioned the process, from a legal aspect.

Civil lawsuit? That's what has you all a flutter? What damages did a complete stranger incur from another stranger having an abortion.

Whatever, making a mountain out of a molehill. Too bad plenty of Democrats voted for this legislation. Pizzasnake said we must be involved, with change, or be quite.

You offering pro bono work for those being sued, civilally, in Texas? What is your issue? Abortion is still legal, yes?

How about you just apologize? Had you bothered to read it the original article linked, you'd have seen the link to the actual bill.
And no, just one Dem voted for it. All the rest voted against it.
https://legiscan.com/TX/rollcall/SB8/id/1039526

Ridiculously awful law.
Opens door for endless harassment, and does not allow defendant to recoup legal costs if winning.

That last point is crucial … by barring the recovery of costs by successful defendants, the law (which goes into effect tomorrow) practically invites frivolous lawsuits.

A neighbor could simply sue the husband of a woman, publicly accusing the husband and wife of procuring an abortion in a publicly accessible complaint. The lawsuit could be completely frivolous. If the defendants “win”, they cannot recover the cost of defending against the suit. Defending against such a suit could bankrupt the husband and wife.

Worse yet, the neighbor could simply threaten a suit and extort a monetary “settlement”.

Hey, Harry and Jane, I think Jane got an abortion last year. How will our friends at church react when they read the complaint I’m going to file against you? What will the good Reverend think? You think anyone will come to Suzy’s sweet sixteen party if they think her mom is a baby killer?
Now, if you show proper penance … maybe by giving me $25,000 and those new golf clubs I admire, maybe I can forgive you and walk away without filing the complaint.

Agreed? Good.

I’ll pray for your soul, Jane. You, too, Harry.

The Texas Taliban … today’s Republican Party in action.

DocBarrister

[seacoaster]

Rigging elections:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/31/us/p ... ticleShare

“The Republican-controlled Texas Legislature on Tuesday passed a major bill overhauling the state’s elections, overcoming a six-week walkout by Democrats to cement Texas as one of the most difficult states in the country in which to vote.

The voting restrictions were a capstone victory in Republicans’ national push to tighten voting rules and alter the administration of elections in the wake of false claims about the integrity of the 2020 presidential contest. Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican, vowed on Tuesday to sign the bill.

The legislation takes aim in particular at Harris County, a growing Democratic bastion that includes Houston and is the nation’s third most populous county. The legislation forbids balloting methods that the county introduced last year to make voting easier during the pandemic, including drive-through polling places and 24-hour voting, as well as temporary voting locations.

It also bars election officials from sending voters unsolicited absentee ballot applications and from promoting the use of vote by mail. The bill greatly empowers partisan poll watchers, creates new criminal and civil penalties for poll workers and erects new barriers for those looking to help voters who need assistance, such as with translations. It requires large Texas counties — where Democrats perform better — to provide livestreaming video at ballot-counting locations.

Including Texas, 18 states across the country have passed more than 30 bills this year restricting voting, one of the greatest contractions of access to the ballot since the Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965. The relentless pace of these voting laws has raised pressure on Democrats in Congress, where a stalemate in a narrowly divided Senate has left them with little hope of passing federal voting legislation that would combat the new restrictions.

Texas, a state with booming urban areas and demographic trends that have long been seen as favoring Democrats, already had some of the nation’s tallest barriers to casting a ballot. It has closed hundreds of polling locations since the Supreme Court invalidated a key part of the Voting Rights Act in 2013, according to a report by the nonpartisan Leadership Conference Education Fund. The state has one of the strictest voter identification laws in the country and does not permit no-excuse absentee voting by mail for voters younger than 65.

Democrats, voting rights groups and civil rights leaders had furiously opposed the Texas bill, called Senate Bill 1, arguing that its impact would fall disproportionately on Black and Latino voters. To delay passage, more than 50 Democratic members of the State House fled the state for Washington in July, denying Republicans the necessary numbers to hold a vote. The move drew national attention and support from President Biden and Senate Democrats, whom the Texas lawmakers urged to pass federal legislation protecting voting rights.

“We knew we wouldn’t be able to hold off this day forever,” Representative Chris Turner, the chairman of the House Democratic caucus, said in a statement on Tuesday. “Now that it has come, we need the U.S. Senate to act immediately.”

[DocBarrister]

Rigging elections:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/31/us/p ... ticleShare

“The Republican-controlled Texas Legislature on Tuesday passed a major bill overhauling the state’s elections, overcoming a six-week walkout by Democrats to cement Texas as one of the most difficult states in the country in which to vote.

The voting restrictions were a capstone victory in Republicans’ national push to tighten voting rules and alter the administration of elections in the wake of false claims about the integrity of the 2020 presidential contest. Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican, vowed on Tuesday to sign the bill.

The legislation takes aim in particular at Harris County, a growing Democratic bastion that includes Houston and is the nation’s third most populous county. The legislation forbids balloting methods that the county introduced last year to make voting easier during the pandemic, including drive-through polling places and 24-hour voting, as well as temporary voting locations.

It also bars election officials from sending voters unsolicited absentee ballot applications and from promoting the use of vote by mail. The bill greatly empowers partisan poll watchers, creates new criminal and civil penalties for poll workers and erects new barriers for those looking to help voters who need assistance, such as with translations. It requires large Texas counties — where Democrats perform better — to provide livestreaming video at ballot-counting locations.

Including Texas, 18 states across the country have passed more than 30 bills this year restricting voting, one of the greatest contractions of access to the ballot since the Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965. The relentless pace of these voting laws has raised pressure on Democrats in Congress, where a stalemate in a narrowly divided Senate has left them with little hope of passing federal voting legislation that would combat the new restrictions.

Texas, a state with booming urban areas and demographic trends that have long been seen as favoring Democrats, already had some of the nation’s tallest barriers to casting a ballot. It has closed hundreds of polling locations since the Supreme Court invalidated a key part of the Voting Rights Act in 2013, according to a report by the nonpartisan Leadership Conference Education Fund. The state has one of the strictest voter identification laws in the country and does not permit no-excuse absentee voting by mail for voters younger than 65.

Democrats, voting rights groups and civil rights leaders had furiously opposed the Texas bill, called Senate Bill 1, arguing that its impact would fall disproportionately on Black and Latino voters. To delay passage, more than 50 Democratic members of the State House fled the state for Washington in July, denying Republicans the necessary numbers to hold a vote. The move drew national attention and support from President Biden and Senate Democrats, whom the Texas lawmakers urged to pass federal legislation protecting voting rights.

“We knew we wouldn’t be able to hold off this day forever,” Representative Chris Turner, the chairman of the House Democratic caucus, said in a statement on Tuesday. “Now that it has come, we need the U.S. Senate to act immediately.”

It’s pretty obvious why the Texas Taliban is doing this.

Texans of color accounted for 95% of the state’s population growth. The 2020 census puts the state’s population at 29,145,505 — a 16% jump from 25.1 million in 2010. Hispanic Texans were responsible for half of that increase.

Non-Hispanic white Texans now make up just 39.8% of the state’s population — down from 45% in 2010. Meanwhile, the share of Hispanic Texans has grown to 39.3%.

… Over the last two decades, the GOP has maintained its power by drawing political maps at the expense of voters of color. During the last round of redistricting, federal courts found that Texas lawmakers discriminated against Hispanic and Black voters in particular. The Legislature’s Republican majority was reprimanded by federal judges for intentionally diluting the power of their votes; their maps after the 2010 census flunked both the U.S. Constitution and the federal Voting Rights Act.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/12 ... 20-census/

DocBarrister

[PizzaSnake]

Never mind the Taliban in Afghanistan. We have Taliban right here in Texas … otherwise known as the Texas Republican Party.

The new Republican anti-abortion bill allows private citizens to terrorize their neighbors by threatening to take their family members to court if the woman has an abortion. It allows private citizens, for example, to sue a woman’s husband if he drives her to an abortion clinic or provides money for the abortion.

In civil litigation, depositions are permitted. So, neighbors can depose both the husband and wife about the abortion. Heck, they could in theory even depose their children to help build their case against the husband.

The measure -- signed into law by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott in May and set to go into effect on Wednesday -- prohibits abortion providers from conducting abortions once a fetal heartbeat is detected. It would effectively outlaw at least 85% of the abortions sought in the state, according to opponents of the law, since that point is around six weeks into the pregnancy, before some women know they're pregnant.

The law was passed amid a slew of restrictions that were approved by GOP legislatures across the country this year, after the confirmation of Justice Amy Coney Barrett jerked the Supreme Court further to right and made it more likely that the court will scale back or reverse entirely Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that enshrined a constitutional right to an abortion before the fetus is viable.

But among those restrictions, the Texas bill stands out for the novel approach it takes in curtailing the procedure.

… Rather than imposing a criminal or regulatory punishment for those who conduct abortions after the point in the pregnancy, the state law created a so-called "private right of action" to enforce the restriction. Essentially, the legislature deputized private citizens to bring civil litigation -- with the threat of $10,000 or more in damages -- against providers or even anyone who helped a woman access an abortion after six weeks.

… Additionally, the law exposes to the civil damages anyone who "knowingly ... aids or abets" in the performance of abortion after the heartbeat is detected, even as it excludes from liability the woman who received the abortion.

The language is vague but has prompted fears that family members who drive patients to receive abortion or donors to abortion funds that help pay for the procedure will be vulnerable to civil litigation.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/31/politics ... index.html

In summary, the Republican Party of Texas (aka, the Texas Taliban) wants to impose their extremist religious ideology on everyone, using the threat of civil litigation.

Imagine your neighbors suing you because they think, mistakenly, that your wife got an abortion. Through civil litigation, they can serve written discovery requests and obtain copies of your financial records and your personal medical records. They can conduct depositions of your entire family to “prove” that the wife/mother had an abortion. (“Hi, Lisa, did your mommy ever tell you she was expecting a baby last year? Remember, Lisa, you can get in big trouble if you don’t tell us the truth. Look straight into the camera as you give your answer.”)

Can there be little doubt that the Republican Party is evolving into a racist, fascist organization that wants to impose a theocratic dictatorship on the United States?

Are they really that different from the Taliban?

DocBarrister

Stop it.

Such a lie.

Provide the actual bill, or just go away.

Us vs Them.

Is that what is taught at JFK school of public health.......to hate ?

https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB8/id/2395961

Sec. 171.208. CIVIL LIABILITY FOR VIOLATION OR AIDING OR
ABETTING VIOLATION. (a) Any person, other than an officer or
employee of a state or local governmental entity in this state, may
bring a civil action against any person who:
(1) performs or induces an abortion in violation of
this subchapter;
(2) knowingly engages in conduct that aids or abets
the performance or inducement of an abortion, including paying for
or reimbursing the costs of an abortion through insurance or
otherwise, if the abortion is performed or induced in violation of
this subchapter, regardless of whether the person knew or should
have known that the abortion would be performed or induced in
violation of this subchapter;

DocBarrister

Strange law.......glad Texas wastes its time with junk like this. Some comments mentioned the process, from a legal aspect.

Civil lawsuit? That's what has you all a flutter? What damages did a complete stranger incur from another stranger having an abortion.

Whatever, making a mountain out of a molehill. Too bad plenty of Democrats voted for this legislation. Pizzasnake said we must be involved, with change, or be quite.

You offering pro bono work for those being sued, civilally, in Texas? What is your issue? Abortion is still legal, yes?

How about you just apologize? Had you bothered to read it the original article linked, you'd have seen the link to the actual bill.
And no, just one Dem voted for it. All the rest voted against it.
https://legiscan.com/TX/rollcall/SB8/id/1039526

Ridiculously awful law.
Opens door for endless harassment, and does not allow defendant to recoup legal costs if winning.

That last point is crucial … by barring the recovery of costs by successful defendants, the law (which goes into effect tomorrow) practically invites frivolous lawsuits.

A neighbor could simply sue the husband of a woman, publicly accusing the husband and wife of procuring an abortion in a publicly accessible complaint. The lawsuit could be completely frivolous. If the defendants “win”, they cannot recover the cost of defending against the suit. Defending against such a suit could bankrupt the husband and wife.

Worse yet, the neighbor could simply threaten a suit and extort a monetary “settlement”.

Hey, Harry and Jane, I think Jane got an abortion last year. How will our friends at church react when they read the complaint I’m going to file against you? What will the good Reverend think? You think anyone will come to Suzy’s sweet sixteen party if they think her mom is a baby killer?
Now, if you show proper penance … maybe by giving me $25,000 and those new golf clubs I admire, maybe I can forgive you and walk away without filing the complaint.

Agreed? Good.

I’ll pray for your soul, Jane. You, too, Harry.

The Texas Taliban … today’s Republican Party in action.

DocBarrister

My neighbor tries that sh&t with me, I'll fustigate him all right... Never mind the golf clubs. And therein is the problem with such legislation; it is almost as if they want to further fray the social fabric.

[DocBarrister]

Never mind the Taliban in Afghanistan. We have Taliban right here in Texas … otherwise known as the Texas Republican Party.

The new Republican anti-abortion bill allows private citizens to terrorize their neighbors by threatening to take their family members to court if the woman has an abortion. It allows private citizens, for example, to sue a woman’s husband if he drives her to an abortion clinic or provides money for the abortion.

In civil litigation, depositions are permitted. So, neighbors can depose both the husband and wife about the abortion. Heck, they could in theory even depose their children to help build their case against the husband.

The measure -- signed into law by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott in May and set to go into effect on Wednesday -- prohibits abortion providers from conducting abortions once a fetal heartbeat is detected. It would effectively outlaw at least 85% of the abortions sought in the state, according to opponents of the law, since that point is around six weeks into the pregnancy, before some women know they're pregnant.

The law was passed amid a slew of restrictions that were approved by GOP legislatures across the country this year, after the confirmation of Justice Amy Coney Barrett jerked the Supreme Court further to right and made it more likely that the court will scale back or reverse entirely Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that enshrined a constitutional right to an abortion before the fetus is viable.

But among those restrictions, the Texas bill stands out for the novel approach it takes in curtailing the procedure.

… Rather than imposing a criminal or regulatory punishment for those who conduct abortions after the point in the pregnancy, the state law created a so-called "private right of action" to enforce the restriction. Essentially, the legislature deputized private citizens to bring civil litigation -- with the threat of $10,000 or more in damages -- against providers or even anyone who helped a woman access an abortion after six weeks.

… Additionally, the law exposes to the civil damages anyone who "knowingly ... aids or abets" in the performance of abortion after the heartbeat is detected, even as it excludes from liability the woman who received the abortion.

The language is vague but has prompted fears that family members who drive patients to receive abortion or donors to abortion funds that help pay for the procedure will be vulnerable to civil litigation.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/31/politics ... index.html

In summary, the Republican Party of Texas (aka, the Texas Taliban) wants to impose their extremist religious ideology on everyone, using the threat of civil litigation.

Imagine your neighbors suing you because they think, mistakenly, that your wife got an abortion. Through civil litigation, they can serve written discovery requests and obtain copies of your financial records and your personal medical records. They can conduct depositions of your entire family to “prove” that the wife/mother had an abortion. (“Hi, Lisa, did your mommy ever tell you she was expecting a baby last year? Remember, Lisa, you can get in big trouble if you don’t tell us the truth. Look straight into the camera as you give your answer.”)

Can there be little doubt that the Republican Party is evolving into a racist, fascist organization that wants to impose a theocratic dictatorship on the United States?

Are they really that different from the Taliban?

DocBarrister

Stop it.

Such a lie.

Provide the actual bill, or just go away.

Us vs Them.

Is that what is taught at JFK school of public health.......to hate ?

https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB8/id/2395961

Sec. 171.208. CIVIL LIABILITY FOR VIOLATION OR AIDING OR
ABETTING VIOLATION. (a) Any person, other than an officer or
employee of a state or local governmental entity in this state, may
bring a civil action against any person who:
(1) performs or induces an abortion in violation of
this subchapter;
(2) knowingly engages in conduct that aids or abets
the performance or inducement of an abortion, including paying for
or reimbursing the costs of an abortion through insurance or
otherwise, if the abortion is performed or induced in violation of
this subchapter, regardless of whether the person knew or should
have known that the abortion would be performed or induced in
violation of this subchapter;

DocBarrister

Strange law.......glad Texas wastes its time with junk like this. Some comments mentioned the process, from a legal aspect.

Civil lawsuit? That's what has you all a flutter? What damages did a complete stranger incur from another stranger having an abortion.

Whatever, making a mountain out of a molehill. Too bad plenty of Democrats voted for this legislation. Pizzasnake said we must be involved, with change, or be quite.

You offering pro bono work for those being sued, civilally, in Texas? What is your issue? Abortion is still legal, yes?

How about you just apologize? Had you bothered to read it the original article linked, you'd have seen the link to the actual bill.
And no, just one Dem voted for it. All the rest voted against it.
https://legiscan.com/TX/rollcall/SB8/id/1039526

Ridiculously awful law.
Opens door for endless harassment, and does not allow defendant to recoup legal costs if winning.

That last point is crucial … by barring the recovery of costs by successful defendants, the law (which goes into effect tomorrow) practically invites frivolous lawsuits.

A neighbor could simply sue the husband of a woman, publicly accusing the husband and wife of procuring an abortion in a publicly accessible complaint. The lawsuit could be completely frivolous. If the defendants “win”, they cannot recover the cost of defending against the suit. Defending against such a suit could bankrupt the husband and wife.

Worse yet, the neighbor could simply threaten a suit and extort a monetary “settlement”.

Hey, Harry and Jane, I think Jane got an abortion last year. How will our friends at church react when they read the complaint I’m going to file against you? What will the good Reverend think? You think anyone will come to Suzy’s sweet sixteen party if they think her mom is a baby killer?
Now, if you show proper penance … maybe by giving me $25,000 and those new golf clubs I admire, maybe I can forgive you and walk away without filing the complaint.

Agreed? Good.

I’ll pray for your soul, Jane. You, too, Harry.

The Texas Taliban … today’s Republican Party in action.

DocBarrister

My neighbor tries that sh&t with me, I'll fustigate him all right... Never mind the golf clubs. And therein is the problem with such legislation; it is almost as if they want to further fray the social fabric.

Turning neighbor against neighbor is a classic strategy of despotic regimes.

Whether it’s the Stalinist Soviet Union, Maoist China, North Korea, Nazi Germany, or the Taliban’s Afghanistan … it’s a recurrent theme throughout the despicable history of totalitarianism.

Is it really shocking that the Texas Taliban are employing the same strategy?

DocBarrister

[CU88]

The people who think it’s their right to refuse to bake cakes for gay couples are mad that establishments are refusing to serve them unless they put on a mask.

[runrussellrun]

The people who think it’s their right to refuse to bake cakes for gay couples are mad that establishments are refusing to serve them unless they put on a mask.

You mean like maskless acting Mayor (Boston ) , refusing to put on a mask. Indoors.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/08/28 ... r-mandate/

what part of this aren't you all getting ?

[youthathletics]

The people who think it’s their right to refuse to bake cakes for gay couples are mad that establishments are refusing to serve them unless they put on a mask.

You mean like maskless acting Mayor (Boston ) , refusing to put on a mask. Indoors.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/08/28 ... r-mandate/

what part of this aren't you all getting ?

Curious....do we know if the kitchen staff at restaurants are wearing their masks?

[DocBarrister]

For all practical purposes, abortion is now banned in Texas.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/01/politics ... index.html

The Texas Taliban (aka, the Texas Republican Party), with the effective consent of the Fifth Circuit and U.S. Supreme Court, which decided not to consider emergency applications to stop the law, now allows your neighbors to investigate … publicly through a lawsuit … your private reproductive life.

Deposition:

Q: Jane, you have been my neighbor for six years, correct?

A: Well, yes, but ….

Q: You gained some weight last Christmas, didn’t you? Even saw a little bump in your belly.

A: Maybe I did, you know how the holidays are, and ….

Q: Then you suddenly lost that weight in January, DIDN’T YOU?

A: [Nervously] It, it was, you know, the New Year. New Years resolutions, you know ….

Q: You had an abortion, didn’t you Jane? Murdered your baby ….

A: I, I don’t see why that is any of your business ….

Q: The Great State of Texas made it my business. Answer the question, woman.

A: Why are you doing this to me? Harry and I have only been good neighbors to you, and ….

Q: Let me introduce an exhibit to “refresh” your memory. Here is a copy of your medical records from the abortion clinic.

That is now realistically possible in Texas, thanks to the Texas Taliban.

Oh, and since the Texas Taliban considers abortion to be murder, members of the Texas Taliban in the Texas legislature have introduced bills that would make the death penalty applicable to women who have abortions.

GOP Texas lawmaker introduces bill to allow death penalty for women who have abortions

A Republican lawmaker in Texas has introduced a bill that would allow the death penalty for women who have abortions.

“Today, I filed HB 3326 to Abolish Abortion in Texas,” Texas State Rep. Bryan Slaton (R) said on Twitter.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... -women-who

Anyone here seriously believe that the Texas Republican Party is that much different from the Taliban in Afghanistan? Any difference is a matter of degree, not foundational ideology.

Like the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Texas Taliban seeks to govern based on their own extremist religious ideology, which also happens to have a healthy dose of racist white supremacist hate. But that’s another issue ….

DocBarrister

[kramerica.inc]

It's ok. The .gov knows what's best for us.

I was told in the covid thread that "my body, my choice" isn't a thing any more. We must comply to what the .gov would like.

But this invasiveness is crazy, right?! Imagine having to share some of your medical history for everyday activities like travel, school or work!

[DocBarrister]

It's ok. The .gov knows what's best for us.

I was told in the covid thread that "my body, my choice" isn't a thing any more. We must comply to what the .gov would like.

But this invasiveness is crazy, right?! Imagine having to share some of your medical history for everyday activities like travel, school or work!

If you can’t distinguish between the minimal requirement that you get a safe and effective vaccine that may save your life, and that of your family, friends, and colleagues … and a law that allows your neighbors to investigate publicly through the judicial system whether your wife, daughter, or granddaughter got an abortion, well …

… then you are part of the problem.

DocBarrister

[RedFromMI]

It's ok. The .gov knows what's best for us.

I was told in the covid thread that "my body, my choice" isn't a thing any more. We must comply to what the .gov would like.

But this invasiveness is crazy, right?! Imagine having to share some of your medical history for everyday activities like travel, school or work!

Never mind that you have to share your vaccination history with K-12 schools, and with higher education institutions for the vast majority of schools.

When the university for which I teach had a measles outbreak over 10 years ago because of my birth date falling between certain years, I was required to either prove immunity, or prove immunization (or be immunized).

I had the measles when young, but instead of my mother driving me with my three siblings to the doctor's office, she just called the nurse there and was informed that it most certainly was measles, as that was going around. Of course without a doctor's diagnosis, I could not prove immunity so it was cheaper to get the shot.

The 'invasiveness' issue is a crock. If you do not want to supply the information, you will have to deal with the consequences. I would have lost my job had I not got the measles immunization...

[kramerica.inc]

It's ok. The .gov knows what's best for us.

I was told in the covid thread that "my body, my choice" isn't a thing any more. We must comply to what the .gov would like.

But this invasiveness is crazy, right?! Imagine having to share some of your medical history for everyday activities like travel, school or work!

If you can’t distinguish between the minimal requirement that you get a safe and effective vaccine that may save your life, and that of your family, friends, and colleagues … and a law that allows your neighbors to investigate publicly through the judicial system whether your wife, daughter, or granddaughter got an abortion, well …

… then you are part of the problem.

DocBarrister

RELATIVELY safe and effective, based on what that we know, right now...according to the manufacturer.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/health/f ... index.html

Patients might think the US Food and Drug Administration’s stamp of approval means that a product is the last word on safety, but about a third of the drugs the FDA approved between 2001 and 2010 were involved in some kind of safety event after reaching the market, according to a study published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

The authors found that in that time, 222 novel therapeutics were approved, and there were 123 postmarket safety events involving 71 products that required FDA action.

Manufacturers needed to add 61 boxed warnings, also commonly called a black box warning, to call attention to serious or life-threatening risks.

Trump pledges to work with Big Pharma to lower drug prices
In 59 cases, some kind of communication had to warn users about a product’s safety.

Three therapeutics were withdrawn from the market.

[kramerica.inc]

It's ok. The .gov knows what's best for us.

I was told in the covid thread that "my body, my choice" isn't a thing any more. We must comply to what the .gov would like.

But this invasiveness is crazy, right?! Imagine having to share some of your medical history for everyday activities like travel, school or work!

Never mind that you have to share your vaccination history with K-12 schools, and with higher education institutions for the vast majority of schools.

When the university for which I teach had a measles outbreak over 10 years ago because of my birth date falling between certain years, I was required to either prove immunity, or prove immunization (or be immunized).

I had the measles when young, but instead of my mother driving me with my three siblings to the doctor's office, she just called the nurse there and was informed that it most certainly was measles, as that was going around. Of course without a doctor's diagnosis, I could not prove immunity so it was cheaper to get the shot.

The 'invasiveness' issue is a crock. If you do not want to supply the information, you will have to deal with the consequences. I would have lost my job had I not got the measles immunization...

Add more layers of bureaucracy.
HR departments at work.
Now who will be looking at my medical/shot records to travel? Some TSA dunderhead?

[RedFromMI]

It's ok. The .gov knows what's best for us.

I was told in the covid thread that "my body, my choice" isn't a thing any more. We must comply to what the .gov would like.

But this invasiveness is crazy, right?! Imagine having to share some of your medical history for everyday activities like travel, school or work!

Never mind that you have to share your vaccination history with K-12 schools, and with higher education institutions for the vast majority of schools.

When the university for which I teach had a measles outbreak over 10 years ago because of my birth date falling between certain years, I was required to either prove immunity, or prove immunization (or be immunized).

I had the measles when young, but instead of my mother driving me with my three siblings to the doctor's office, she just called the nurse there and was informed that it most certainly was measles, as that was going around. Of course without a doctor's diagnosis, I could not prove immunity so it was cheaper to get the shot.

The 'invasiveness' issue is a crock. If you do not want to supply the information, you will have to deal with the consequences. I would have lost my job had I not got the measles immunization...

Add more layers of bureaucracy.
HR departments at work.
Now who will be looking at my medical/shot records to travel? Some TSA dunderhead?

If you travel to certain countries, you might already have to supply immunization records. You always have the option of finding a different mode of travel, or just not travel to certain locations.

It may be more layers - but it is in the interest of public health. A very legitimate state interest.

[MDlaxfan76]

It's ok. The .gov knows what's best for us.

I was told in the covid thread that "my body, my choice" isn't a thing any more. We must comply to what the .gov would like.

But this invasiveness is crazy, right?! Imagine having to share some of your medical history for everyday activities like travel, school or work!

If you can’t distinguish between the minimal requirement that you get a safe and effective vaccine that may save your life, and that of your family, friends, and colleagues … and a law that allows your neighbors to investigate publicly through the judicial system whether your wife, daughter, or granddaughter got an abortion, well …

… then you are part of the problem.

DocBarrister

RELATIVELY safe and effective, based on what that we know, right now...according to the manufacturer.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/health/f ... index.html

Patients might think the US Food and Drug Administration’s stamp of approval means that a product is the last word on safety, but about a third of the drugs the FDA approved between 2001 and 2010 were involved in some kind of safety event after reaching the market, according to a study published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

The authors found that in that time, 222 novel therapeutics were approved, and there were 123 postmarket safety events involving 71 products that required FDA action.

Manufacturers needed to add 61 boxed warnings, also commonly called a black box warning, to call attention to serious or life-threatening risks.

Trump pledges to work with Big Pharma to lower drug prices
In 59 cases, some kind of communication had to warn users about a product’s safety.

Three therapeutics were withdrawn from the market.

Yup, with this FDA process under enormous public, scientific scrutiny, huge controlled studies, etc. Efficacious and safe. And each person's compliance impacting potentially thousands of others' health through chain of transmission.

Which doesn't mean that with enough time and enough incidences, there won't be 'warnings' appropriate for this vaccine, boosters, etc...there already are, based on specific and rare immune system issues and for now, age. We will surely learn more with further time. But we have a crisis now.

[kramerica.inc]

But we have a crisis now.

And never let a good crisis go to waste.

[seacoaster]

It's ok. The .gov knows what's best for us.

I was told in the covid thread that "my body, my choice" isn't a thing any more. We must comply to what the .gov would like.

But this invasiveness is crazy, right?! Imagine having to share some of your medical history for everyday activities like travel, school or work!

Do you not agree that the coronavirus has presented a compelling governmental interest in public health measures? Rights in this country have corresponding obligations, if we are to persist as a community. This "my body, my choice" paradigm you mention is itself balanced against other public welfare and health interests. The "personal rights" juggernaut that has been unleashed in the ignorance of this country has...never existed, and stands in opposition to having a civil society of laws.

I can't tell if you really don't understand this, or if you do, and you still just want to b*tch like an old harridan.

[kramerica.inc]

It's ok. The .gov knows what's best for us.

I was told in the covid thread that "my body, my choice" isn't a thing any more. We must comply to what the .gov would like.

But this invasiveness is crazy, right?! Imagine having to share some of your medical history for everyday activities like travel, school or work!

Do you not agree that the coronavirus has presented a compelling governmental interest in public health measures? Rights in this country have corresponding obligations, if we are to persist as a community. This "my body, my choice" paradigm you mention is itself balanced against other public welfare and health interests. The "personal rights" juggernaut that has been unleashed in the ignorance of this country has...never existed, and stands in opposition to having a civil society of laws.

I can't tell if you really don't understand this, or if you do, and you still just want to b*tch like an old harridan.

The sexist, ageist comment wasn't necessary.

It's not an "either-or" question.

I believe that Corona has presented a reason for SOME government interest in public health. But certainly not all the measures that have been implemented. I believe the .gov has overstepped in many areas, but not all.

From your comments, It appears you have far greater faith and reliance in the .gov than I do.

[DocBarrister]

It's ok. The .gov knows what's best for us.

I was told in the covid thread that "my body, my choice" isn't a thing any more. We must comply to what the .gov would like.

But this invasiveness is crazy, right?! Imagine having to share some of your medical history for everyday activities like travel, school or work!

Do you not agree that the coronavirus has presented a compelling governmental interest in public health measures? Rights in this country have corresponding obligations, if we are to persist as a community. This "my body, my choice" paradigm you mention is itself balanced against other public welfare and health interests. The "personal rights" juggernaut that has been unleashed in the ignorance of this country has...never existed, and stands in opposition to having a civil society of laws.

I can't tell if you really don't understand this, or if you do, and you still just want to b*tch like an old harridan.

The sexist, ageist comment wasn't necessary.

It's not an "either-or" question.

I believe that Corona has presented a reason for SOME government interest in public health. But certainly not all the measures that have been implemented. I believe the .gov has overstepped in many areas, but not all.

From your comments, It appears you have far greater faith and reliance in the .gov than I do.

There are about 640,000 dead Americans who would disagree with you.

DocBarrister