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[6ftstick]

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You, too?

So that's what you got from seeing a sitting President's personal lawyer yesterday? Cohen "didn't prove collusion", therefore, you didn't bother listening to any of the other things he said? Therefore, all this behavior from a sitting President was ok?

My, how the bar has moved. Is this where the bar goes for you for the next President?

Exactly ALLL OF THIS was supposed to be about "collusion". REMEMBER. Not hearsay and uncorroborated innuendo about Trump from years before he became President. Who moved the freakin bar?

Just in case you are interested, the Cohen case is not part of the Russian conspiracy inquiry.

Bullsh*t It originated with the Mueller fishing expedition.

after a referral from the Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Like I said, the case is not part of the Russian conspiracy inquiry.

Like I said there wouldn't be a case without Mueller's fishing expedition. All of this anti trump derangement stems from the collusion hoax.

Like I said, his case is not part of the Russian inquiry.... see above then see above again.

Rinse wash repeat. The referral for this case originated with MUELLER. You can't change that fact.

[Typical Lax Dad]

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You, too?

So that's what you got from seeing a sitting President's personal lawyer yesterday? Cohen "didn't prove collusion", therefore, you didn't bother listening to any of the other things he said? Therefore, all this behavior from a sitting President was ok?

My, how the bar has moved. Is this where the bar goes for you for the next President?

Exactly ALLL OF THIS was supposed to be about "collusion". REMEMBER. Not hearsay and uncorroborated innuendo about Trump from years before he became President. Who moved the freakin bar?

Just in case you are interested, the Cohen case is not part of the Russian conspiracy inquiry.

Bullsh*t It originated with the Mueller fishing expedition.

after a referral from the Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Like I said, the case is not part of the Russian conspiracy inquiry.

Like I said there wouldn't be a case without Mueller's fishing expedition. All of this anti trump derangement stems from the collusion hoax.

Like I said, his case is not part of the Russian inquiry.... see above then see above again.

Rinse wash repeat. The referral for this case originated with MUELLER. You can't change that fact.

Someone is disputing that?

[wahoomurf]

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You, too?

So that's what you got from seeing a sitting President's personal lawyer yesterday? Cohen "didn't prove collusion", therefore, you didn't bother listening to any of the other things he said? Therefore, all this behavior from a sitting President was ok?

My, how the bar has moved. Is this where the bar goes for you for the next President?

Exactly ALLL OF THIS was supposed to be about "collusion". REMEMBER. Not hearsay and uncorroborated innuendo about Trump from years before he became President. Who moved the freakin bar?

If you really think the end game is to prove "RUSSIAN COLLUSION", you have a severe case of collusion delusion.

[6ftstick]

Russia Russia Russia Collousion Collusion Collusion

Sore Loser TDS Revenge Porn

You, too?

So that's what you got from seeing a sitting President's personal lawyer yesterday? Cohen "didn't prove collusion", therefore, you didn't bother listening to any of the other things he said? Therefore, all this behavior from a sitting President was ok?

My, how the bar has moved. Is this where the bar goes for you for the next President?

Exactly ALLL OF THIS was supposed to be about "collusion". REMEMBER. Not hearsay and uncorroborated innuendo about Trump from years before he became President. Who moved the freakin bar?

If you really think the end game is to prove "RUSSIAN COLLUSION", you have a severe case of collusion delusion.

Just What the heck has the last two years been about. KEERIST you people are exasperating.

[old salt]

The Trump-Russia Collusion allegation was the Trojan Horse to investigate (& spy upon) all things Trump (& associates), since forever.

It started well before Mueller was appointed.

[wahoomurf]

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You, too?

So that's what you got from seeing a sitting President's personal lawyer yesterday? Cohen "didn't prove collusion", therefore, you didn't bother listening to any of the other things he said? Therefore, all this behavior from a sitting President was ok?

My, how the bar has moved. Is this where the bar goes for you for the next President?

Exactly ALLL OF THIS was supposed to be about "collusion". REMEMBER. Not hearsay and uncorroborated innuendo about Trump from years before he became President. Who moved the freakin bar?

If you really think the end game is to prove "RUSSIAN COLLUSION", you have a severe case of collusion delusion.

Just What the heck has the last two years been about. KEERIST you people are exasperating.

You People? What People? No need to be exasperated. If you think you are smarter, more informed and more righteous than the folks that pick on you, scrape 'em off.Confucious...."When a man is right, he is a majority".Your beloved leader does that all the time.

[wahoomurf]

The Trump-Russia Collusion allegation was the Trojan Horse to investigate (& spy upon) all things Trump (& associates), since forever.

It started well before Mueller was appointed.

Correct.Political Legerdemain of epic proportions. Happens all the time. Look at Trump's second meeting with his favorite dictator. Ostensibly, the meeting was to hammer out, details of NK's nuclear situation. Cynics may think Trump wanted to get out of town prior to his wingman/lawyer of 10 years discussing information with some congresspersons.

Odysseus and his boys would be proud.

[a fan]

The Trump-Russia Collusion allegation was the Trojan Horse to investigate (& spy upon) all things Trump (& associates), since forever.

It started well before Mueller was appointed.

Ding ding ding! Welcome to American politics.

Kinda makes you think Trump shouldn't have fired Comey, giving them the excuse to dig deeper. Whoops.

[MDlaxfan76]

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You, too?

So that's what you got from seeing a sitting President's personal lawyer yesterday? Cohen "didn't prove collusion", therefore, you didn't bother listening to any of the other things he said? Therefore, all this behavior from a sitting President was ok?

My, how the bar has moved. Is this where the bar goes for you for the next President?

Exactly ALLL OF THIS was supposed to be about "collusion". REMEMBER. Not hearsay and uncorroborated innuendo about Trump from years before he became President. Who moved the freakin bar?

Just in case you are interested, the Cohen case is not part of the Russian conspiracy inquiry.

Bullsh*t It originated with the Mueller fishing expedition.

after a referral from the Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Like I said, the case is not part of the Russian conspiracy inquiry.

Like I said there wouldn't be a case without Mueller's fishing expedition. All of this anti trump derangement stems from the collusion hoax.

Let's imagine, just for a heart beat, that you nutcases are right that the notion of "Russian collusion" was truly a hoax cooked up by Hillary and/or some Deep State cabal.

Does it not bother you in the least that Trump surrounded himself with so many liars and crooks? In business. In the campaign?

Does it bother you in the slightest that he was trying to do a huge deal in Moscow but never revealed that reality to the American public (indeed lied), and concocted a cover story about the intent of the meeting at Trump Tower?

No, neither of those things bother you?

How about this hypothetical: Would it bother you in the slightest if Trump committed bank fraud, insurance fraud and tax fraud?

No?

Obviously you don't care that he slept around on his wife (wives), has had more than 15 women accuse him of assault, tells Billy Bush...., pays off a porn star and has the National Enquirer catch and kill a story with a Playboy model...ok

Obviously you don't care about "c" on housing applications, the Central Park 5, the birther BS...much less what he's said and done since. Hey, he's just politically incorrect. A Nationalist. America First.

Deep State. Fake News. Enemy of the People. Who cares?

okay, we get it, you hate Hillary, Obama, and god knows who else.

[old salt]

Russia Russia Russia Collousion Collusion Collusion

Sore Loser TDS Revenge Porn

You, too?

So that's what you got from seeing a sitting President's personal lawyer yesterday? Cohen "didn't prove collusion", therefore, you didn't bother listening to any of the other things he said? Therefore, all this behavior from a sitting President was ok?

My, how the bar has moved. Is this where the bar goes for you for the next President?

Exactly ALLL OF THIS was supposed to be about "collusion". REMEMBER. Not hearsay and uncorroborated innuendo about Trump from years before he became President. Who moved the freakin bar?

Just in case you are interested, the Cohen case is not part of the Russian conspiracy inquiry.

Bullsh*t It originated with the Mueller fishing expedition.

after a referral from the Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Like I said, the case is not part of the Russian conspiracy inquiry.

Like I said there wouldn't be a case without Mueller's fishing expedition. All of this anti trump derangement stems from the collusion hoax.

Let's imagine, just for a heart beat, that you nutcases are right that the notion of "Russian collusion" was truly a hoax cooked up by Hillary and/or some Deep State cabal.

Does it not bother you in the least that Trump surrounded himself with so many liars and crooks? In business. In the campaign?

Does it bother you in the slightest that he was trying to do a huge deal in Moscow but never revealed that reality to the American public (indeed lied), and concocted a cover story about the intent of the meeting at Trump Tower?

No, neither of those things bother you?

How about this hypothetical: Would it bother you in the slightest if Trump committed bank fraud, insurance fraud and tax fraud?

No?

Obviously you don't care that he slept around on his wife (wives), has had more than 15 women accuse him of assault, tells Billy Bush...., pays off a porn star and has the National Enquirer catch and kill a story with a Playboy model...ok

Obviously you don't care about "c" on housing applications, the Central Park 5, the birther BS...much less what he's said and done since. Hey, he's just politically incorrect. A Nationalist. America First.

Deep State. Fake News. Enemy of the People. Who cares?

okay, we get it, you hate Hillary, Obama, and god knows who else.

Sure we can care. I did not vote for him. I said from the start that he is unfit to hold office.

All that is no excuse to unleash the entire power of our surveillance state upon him & his associates, in search of anything that can be used to undermine him. Our intel & law enforcement agencies do not exist to generate opposition research.

Your fellow citizens knew what Trump was & elected him anyway. Get over it & vote him out in 2020.
Meanwhile, I'm hoping he can accomplish the things of which I approve.
You & the rest of your TDS cohort, of both parties, should ask yourself how fed up the electorate must be with the establishment status quo for Trump to even get on the ballot, let alone win.

[a fan]

All that is no excuse to unleash the entire power of our surveillance state upon him & his associates, in search of anything that can be used to undermine him. Our intel & law enforcement agencies do not exist to generate opposition research

We should have thought about this when Starr came along. HRC railed against it. No one listened, and instead made fun of her for daring to say it's not right.

4 years. 4 years of opposition research, as you put it. Bill did nothing illegal.

What comes around goes around, and so long at it's "the other guy" getting screwed, who cares?

[old salt]

All that is no excuse to unleash the entire power of our surveillance state upon him & his associates, in search of anything that can be used to undermine him. Our intel & law enforcement agencies do not exist to generate opposition research

We should have thought about this when Starr came along. HRC railed against it. No one listened, and instead made fun of her for daring to say it's not right.

4 years. 4 years of opposition research, as you put it. Bill did nothing illegal.

What comes around goes around, and so long at it's "the other guy" getting screwed, who cares?

What did the CIA, NSA & FBI dig up on Clinton ?

Michael Isikoff delivered Linda Tripp (w/ blue dress & tapes) to Starr.

[a fan]

What did the CIA, NSA & FBI dig up on Clinton ?

The FBI? Tons. All of it legal, apparently. Clinton's business partners? Indictments for fraud, bribery, and tax evasion. Remember how super cool everyone thought it was when Slick Willie pardoned some of them?

And the NSA and CIA would've been all over it if Whitewater was in Russia. Maybe Trump should stick to Arkansas for his hotels, eh?

[old salt]

What did the CIA, NSA & FBI dig up on Clinton ?

The FBI? Tons. All of it legal, apparently. Clinton's business partners? Indictments for fraud, bribery, and tax evasion. Remember how super cool everyone thought it was when Slick Willie pardoned some of them?

And the NSA and CIA would've been all over it if Whitewater was in Russia. Maybe Trump should stick to Arkansas for his hotels, eh?

They couldn't find the Rose Law firm billing records. Whitewater brought down the McDougals, Web Hubbell & Jim Guy Tucker.
The Clintons skated on Whitewater. Isikoff & Tripp got the love ick stuff that did Slick Willie in. They just took it to Starr because he was still in business. Otherwise, they would have delivered it to the FBI & published it in Newsweek. Same result.
Remember when outraged (D)'s in MD wanted to prosecute Tripp for taping Lewinsky in a 2 party state ? No FISA warrant reqd.

[a fan]

Yep. All gross. All one of many reasons why ol' Hill was voted off the Island.


Well, as I said before, Tripp was OG Deep State----Federal government using surveillance to take down a lawfully elected POTUS. If she liked Bill or had party loyalty, would have likely been a far different ending.

[MDlaxfan76]

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Sore Loser TDS Revenge Porn

You, too?

So that's what you got from seeing a sitting President's personal lawyer yesterday? Cohen "didn't prove collusion", therefore, you didn't bother listening to any of the other things he said? Therefore, all this behavior from a sitting President was ok?

My, how the bar has moved. Is this where the bar goes for you for the next President?

Exactly ALLL OF THIS was supposed to be about "collusion". REMEMBER. Not hearsay and uncorroborated innuendo about Trump from years before he became President. Who moved the freakin bar?

Just in case you are interested, the Cohen case is not part of the Russian conspiracy inquiry.

Bullsh*t It originated with the Mueller fishing expedition.

after a referral from the Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Like I said, the case is not part of the Russian conspiracy inquiry.

Like I said there wouldn't be a case without Mueller's fishing expedition. All of this anti trump derangement stems from the collusion hoax.

Let's imagine, just for a heart beat, that you nutcases are right that the notion of "Russian collusion" was truly a hoax cooked up by Hillary and/or some Deep State cabal.

Does it not bother you in the least that Trump surrounded himself with so many liars and crooks? In business. In the campaign?

Does it bother you in the slightest that he was trying to do a huge deal in Moscow but never revealed that reality to the American public (indeed lied), and concocted a cover story about the intent of the meeting at Trump Tower?

No, neither of those things bother you?

How about this hypothetical: Would it bother you in the slightest if Trump committed bank fraud, insurance fraud and tax fraud?

No?

Obviously you don't care that he slept around on his wife (wives), has had more than 15 women accuse him of assault, tells Billy Bush...., pays off a porn star and has the National Enquirer catch and kill a story with a Playboy model...ok

Obviously you don't care about "c" on housing applications, the Central Park 5, the birther BS...much less what he's said and done since. Hey, he's just politically incorrect. A Nationalist. America First.

Deep State. Fake News. Enemy of the People. Who cares?

okay, we get it, you hate Hillary, Obama, and god knows who else.

Sure we can care. I did not vote for him. I said from the start that he is unfit to hold office.

All that is no excuse to unleash the entire power of our surveillance state upon him & his associates, in search of anything that can be used to undermine him. Our intel & law enforcement agencies do not exist to generate opposition research.

Your fellow citizens knew what Trump was & elected him anyway. Get over it & vote him out in 2020.
Meanwhile, I'm hoping he can accomplish the things of which I approve.
You & the rest of your TDS cohort, of both parties, should ask yourself how fed up the electorate must be with the establishment status quo for Trump to even get on the ballot, let alone win.

This is fundamentally what I don't get, this notion that Trump's political as well as legal problems are of the making of opponents, Deep State, or otherwise, rather than the fault of his own lifetime of transgressions and those with whom he associated.

He's scum, ran with scum. That's on him, no one else.

I never made excuses for HRC and her issues. I thought they were of her own making. Her choices. A lifetime of such.

I think she lost mostly because too many folks like me thought so too.

No, I don't think most people truly understood how much of a scum Trump is.
They thought he was 'politically incorrect'. They thought he was a 'player' with the women, a 'playboy'.
They thought he was a self-made billionaire, a tough negotiator, an outsider.
He was a 'star'.

They didn't understand the sorts of things I knew about him, having known people who'd gone toe to toe with him, and having paid attention as a result.

One of my very good buddies from college, my back-up tender my senior year, was representing a client who Trump owed $15mm. Instead of paying his client what he'd owed, Trump was threatening to sue them. Bogus on its face, but that's Trump. They hired my buddy.

Now, he'd grown up poor in hardscrabble West Virginia, had overcome family challenges, graduated valedictorian and won a scholarship to Dartmouth, with work-study. He graduated at the top of his class, went to Harvard Law and finished top 5 in his class, went to SDNY and prosecuted Columbian drug lords and Russian mobsters, as well as the Medellin Cartel and the Luchese family of La Cost Nostra. Wore a gun as the Columbians kill prosecutors and judges. Put away a lot of very bad guys. Then went into commercial litigation. Top firm in Boston.

He's about 5'8", 195lbs of muscle, bald, beady eyes. Anyway, my buddy paid Trump a visit in Trump Tower. Trump slammed his fist, made threats, various epithets. My buddy went toe to toe and walked out with a $20 million check. Not $15mm, $20mm.

Wimp.
Bully, but a wimp underneath.
Dishonest to his core.

[wahoomurf]

All that is no excuse to unleash the entire power of our surveillance state upon him & his associates, in search of anything that can be used to undermine him. Our intel & law enforcement agencies do not exist to generate opposition research.

KEERIST - You are pleased to give this Trump a pass when he tries to bend government agencies whose duties are to protect and serve the PEOPLE OF THE U.SA., to his will! WHY? Because he's the current POTUS? Smarten up. Trump ain't going to give you a job and he certainly won't give you a piece of the action.

Yet you exhibit high dudgeon when the same agencies and the people within them, try to uncover the thuggery, buggery, and skullduggery so rampant in the current administration. For you to posit that "there's no excuse to unleash the nation's ENTIRE POWER is wrong? Enforcing the law is UNDERMININGTrump?

So a new flavor of criminal pursuits emerges in 2019. I lieu of utilizing the ENTIRE POWER OF THE LAW, the powers that protect and serve.should switch to LAW ENFORCEMENT LITE!Trumpnation and Jordan/Hastert are going to rejoice.

[DMac]

seven seas wrote
Sure we can care. I did not vote for him. I said from the start that he is unfit to hold office.
Dead nuts on, this has been your stance all along. It's that last part, "unfit to hold office" that throws a lot of garbage in the game with Prez Horzezbazzoo. How does the rest of the world not see him as unfit to hold office? I'm still pullin' for those who say he's good for the country, I'm on the team, I wanna win too.
All that is no excuse to unleash the entire power of our surveillance state upon him & his associates, in search of anything that can be used to undermine him. Our intel & law enforcement agencies do not exist to generate opposition research.
Think you're right here. I think the unfit to hold office definition for a whole lot of people has the words corrupt, untrustworthy, self-aggrandizing, incapable, and maybe id too.

Id
The id (Latin for "it",[4] German: Es)[5] is the disorganized part of the personality structure that contains a human's basic, instinctual drives. Id is the only component of personality that is present from birth.[6] It is the source of our bodily needs, wants, desires, and impulses, particularly our sexual and aggressive drives. The id contains the libido, which is the primary source of instinctual force that is unresponsive to the demands of reality.[7] The id acts according to the "pleasure principle"—the psychic force that motivates the tendency to seek immediate gratification of any impulse[8]—defined as seeking to avoid pain or unpleasure (not "displeasure") aroused by increases in instinctual tension.[9] According to Freud the id is unconscious by definition:

Maybe it's not such a bad idea people keep an eye on this guy, make an exception inasmuch as the Prez is an exception.

Your fellow citizens knew what Trump was & elected him anyway. Get over it & vote him out in 2020.
Meanwhile, I'm hoping he can accomplish the things of which I approve.
You & the rest of your TDS cohort, of both parties, should ask yourself how fed up the electorate must be with the establishment status quo for Trump to even get on the ballot, let alone win.
It is indeed a sad situation when Prez Horzezbazzoo can even get on the ballot, what's even sadder is that the other person who could get on the ballot was Ms. Biggerhorzezbazoo. The smart folk say our institutions are set up properly and can handle the whole situation. Hope so.

[wahoomurf]

The id (Latin for "it",[4] German: Es)[5] is the disorganized part of the personality structure that contains a human's basic, instinctual drives. Id is the only component of personality that is present from birth.[6] It is the source of our bodily needs, wants, desires, and impulses, particularly our sexual and aggressive drives. The id contains the libido, which is the primary source of instinctual force that is unresponsive to the demands of reality.[7] The id acts according to the "pleasure principle"—the psychic force that motivates the tendency to seek immediate gratification of any impulse[8]—defined as seeking to avoid pain or unpleasure (not "displeasure") aroused by increases in instinctual tension.[9] According to Freud the id is unconscious by definition:

AMYGDALA MADNESS!

[old salt]

With allies like Germany, who needs enemies :

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthomp ... 860488bba3

Germany's policy decisions are hastening the decline of NATO.

Germany is the linchpin of NATO, a country that because of its history, location and economic strength is central to the integrity of the Atlantic alliance. But the president has good reason to wonder whether Berlin cares as much about collective security as Washington does. Here are five examples of why the White House is right to wonder.

Not bearing the burden. At $4 trillion, Germany’s economy is a fifth the size of America’s. But Germany’s military budget isn’t a fifth of America’s military spending. It isn’t even a tenth. In recent years Berlin has spent 1.1% of its GDP on defense compared with over 3% for the U.S. Under prodding from Trump, the Germans have agreed to raise their defense budget by several billion dollars this year, to 1.3% of GDP. But NATO members have supposedly committed to reaching 2% by 2024, and the German government says it isn’t likely to get above 1.5% in that year—even though chancellor Angela Merkel agrees this raises doubts about “Germany’s credibility.”

Not ready for a war. Berlin says it can’t sensibly spend much more than it already plans for military forces. But German media have repeatedly documented the depressed state of readiness in those forces. For instance, Der Spiegel reported last year that only four of Germany’s 128 Eurofighter Typhoons were ready for combat. The country is supposed to maintain 82 fighters in a high state of readiness to meet alliance commitments. Other reports have noted that only one of the country’s submarines can deploy on short notice; that most of Germany’s tanks are in a low state of readiness; and that barely a quarter of its nuclear-capable Tornado tactical aircraft are operational. Obviously, Berlin isn’t expecting a war anytime soon.

Turning to Russia for energy. Germany obtains about 40% of the natural gas it consumes from Russia. A Baltic pipeline called Nord Stream 2 will double the potential for Russian imports. NATO and European Union countries alike have objected to building the new pipeline, but Berlin has been adamant about proceeding even though there are other sources for Germany’s energy needs. Washington’s complaints that greater dependence on Russian gas will strengthen Moscow’s hand in a future east-west confrontation have gone unheeded. As the respected British publication The Economist observed in a February 16 editorial, “The Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is a Russian trap and Germany has fallen into it.”

Turning to China for technology. Germany missed the boat on high-speed internet, so now it is trying to catch up. But despite warnings from Washington and other allied capitals, Berlin is signaling it will allow China’s state-influenced Huawei to play a major part in building out the country’s 5G mobile network. Chinese telecom companies are required by law to assist the state in pursuit of security objectives, and U.S. intelligence has long feared that Huawei equipment might be used to compromise Western security—for example by collecting sensitive information. By embracing Huawei, Berlin is legitimizing use of the suspect company’s technology in other European countries, potentially a big blow to alliance security.

Putting politics above capability. Given Germany’s low level of military spending, you might think the defense ministry works hard to spend every euro wisely. Well, guess again. Two months ago, Berlin inexplicably decided to exclude America’s F-35 fighter from the competition to replace aging Tornado fighter bombers—even though it is the most capable aircraft for continuing Tornado’s “dual-key” nuclear mission, and even though many of Germany’s allies have elected to replace their own Cold War fighters with F-35. The hinted reason is that picking an American plane might undermine Franco-German plans to field a new fighter in the 2040s. But kicking F-35 out of the competition will undermine NATO’s deterrent posture and interoperability so much that war is more likely to occur before the envisioned future plane ever flies.

So President Trump has good reason to question whether Washington should continue counting on NATO to secure America’s overseas interests. The alliance’s most important European member often seems to be missing in action. It is not hard to understand why Germans are uncomfortable with military spending, but how many of them grasp that Washington is postured to put America’s survival at risk in support of their freedom in a future war? Much of America’s military planning and expenditure revolves around being able to defend German borders in an east-west conflict. If Berlin doesn’t start showing more concern for the risks its policies present to U.S. combatants and noncombatants in a future conflict, it is inevitable that President Trump’s criticisms will win a growing audience on this side of the ocean.