Taliban reclaims Afghanistan

[DocBarrister]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cen ... h-taliban/

The leadership of this country has lost their f***ing minds. They are trusting the safety of our service members to the mother effing Taliban. Sure you mother effing dumbasses... Un mother effing believable. What member of the Biden 3 ring circus dreamed up this effing fresh pile of horse dung. Sure, share our intelligence with the people that want us dead.

Nonsense.

We need to leave this god forsaken viper pit.

More than forty years of war in Afghanistan. We already have a new civil war brewing between the Taliban, ISIS-K, and Northern militias/Afghan security forces remnants.

We didn’t have control over the country even when we had over a hundred thousand troops there. Twenty years of trying to build this nation into a democracy … over a trillion dollars and thousands of Americans lives sacrificed in the effort.

And for what?

President Biden made the hard decision and was willing to take the inevitable political hit that none of his three predecessors were willing to take. If it had been up to Biden, the United States would have left Afghanistan 12 years ago.

There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has victimized Alexander the Great, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and now the United States.

Only delusional trash would have expected a different outcome.

DocBarrister

"There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan."

PURE BULLCHIT... A strategic withdrawal is something every military unit practices at some point in time. It starts with not telling the enemy what day you plan on bugging out.

You just proved my last point. Thank you.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cen ... h-taliban/

The leadership of this country has lost their f***ing minds. They are trusting the safety of our service members to the mother effing Taliban. Sure you mother effing dumbasses... Un mother effing believable. What member of the Biden 3 ring circus dreamed up this effing fresh pile of horse dung. Sure, share our intelligence with the people that want us dead.

Nonsense.

We need to leave this god forsaken viper pit.

More than forty years of war in Afghanistan. We already have a new civil war brewing between the Taliban, ISIS-K, and Northern militias/Afghan security forces remnants.

We didn’t have control over the country even when we had over a hundred thousand troops there. Twenty years of trying to build this nation into a democracy … over a trillion dollars and thousands of Americans lives sacrificed in the effort.

And for what?

President Biden made the hard decision and was willing to take the inevitable political hit that none of his three predecessors were willing to take. If it had been up to Biden, the United States would have left Afghanistan 12 years ago.

There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has victimized Alexander the Great, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and now the United States.

Only delusional trash would have expected a different outcome.

DocBarrister

"There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan."

PURE BULLCHIT... A strategic withdrawal is something every military unit practices at some point in time. It starts with not telling the enemy what day you plan on bugging out.

You just proved my last point. Thank you.

DocBarrister

Just to clarify, Cradle, I don’t think you are “trash”, merely “delusional”. Thank you.

DocBarrister

[youthathletics]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cen ... h-taliban/

The leadership of this country has lost their f***ing minds. They are trusting the safety of our service members to the mother effing Taliban. Sure you mother effing dumbasses... Un mother effing believable. What member of the Biden 3 ring circus dreamed up this effing fresh pile of horse dung. Sure, share our intelligence with the people that want us dead.

Nonsense.

We need to leave this god forsaken viper pit.

More than forty years of war in Afghanistan. We already have a new civil war brewing between the Taliban, ISIS-K, and Northern militias/Afghan security forces remnants.

We didn’t have control over the country even when we had over a hundred thousand troops there. Twenty years of trying to build this nation into a democracy … over a trillion dollars and thousands of Americans lives sacrificed in the effort.

And for what?

President Biden made the hard decision and was willing to take the inevitable political hit that none of his three predecessors were willing to take. If it had been up to Biden, the United States would have left Afghanistan 12 years ago.

There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has victimized Alexander the Great, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and now the United States.

Only delusional trash would have expected a different outcome.

DocBarrister

"There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan."

PURE BULLCHIT... A strategic withdrawal is something every military unit practices at some point in time. It starts with not telling the enemy what day you plan on bugging out.

Like telling them you will be gone by May 1st and then drawing down to a skeleton crew to show “good faith”?

How many Americans died during that time? And yet, Biden has thrown out damned near everything else TRump has done....so much so, he took it the the SCOTUS.

[youthathletics]

And do not provide the enemy a "kill list' UFB: U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate

The Taliban are our partners. I pointed it out earlier. The USA backed the Taliban. It has been obvious.

Clarify

We reached an agreement with the Taliban. We expected them to take control of the country as we left. We didn’t require them to stop fighting the Afghan government. We told the Afghan government to release the Taliban prisoners. The leadership in the provinces cut their deals with who they expected to be in charge based on who we reached an agreement with. No resistance because those people aren’t as stupid as we think just because they wear robes and funny hats. Why fight for us for 3-4 more weeks, which is what we expected. Haven’t read where we thought the Afghan government would prevail….if so, why cut a deal with the losers?

Seems pretty obvious but what do I know…

So why then, did we evacuate the way we did?
So why did we leave so many weapons for the Afghans Army to use if we knew it was futile?
Why did we intentionally leave so many people?
If we knew what you describe...then this administration clearly set up a death trap for our citizen and allies. And sending the military back in, was just optics and they could care less about their lives.

This is not about them, regardless of how smart they are.....it is about us and our decisions. What am I missing?

Your not missing a thing. A strategic withdrawal begins with not telling the enemy when, where or how you will leave. I was stunned a couple of weeks ago when we just abandoned Bagram AF base with no notice to our Afghan allies. Leaving Afghanistan had to happen. it should never have happened in this manner. A cluster fudge is too kind of a term to use for this abomination. I can see endless hearings in congress about this chitshow about who the hell was in charge of this mess. DEPLORABLE in every sense of the word. Heads need to roll, but heads probably will be promoted.

You mean President Trump shouldn’t have signed a treaty with the Taliban requiring the United States to leave by May 1, 2021?

DocBarrister

You can not be this ignorant.
that treaty provided the US 18 months to achieve the goal...to two weeks. Good Lord.

[DocBarrister]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cen ... h-taliban/

The leadership of this country has lost their f***ing minds. They are trusting the safety of our service members to the mother effing Taliban. Sure you mother effing dumbasses... Un mother effing believable. What member of the Biden 3 ring circus dreamed up this effing fresh pile of horse dung. Sure, share our intelligence with the people that want us dead.

Nonsense.

We need to leave this god forsaken viper pit.

More than forty years of war in Afghanistan. We already have a new civil war brewing between the Taliban, ISIS-K, and Northern militias/Afghan security forces remnants.

We didn’t have control over the country even when we had over a hundred thousand troops there. Twenty years of trying to build this nation into a democracy … over a trillion dollars and thousands of Americans lives sacrificed in the effort.

And for what?

President Biden made the hard decision and was willing to take the inevitable political hit that none of his three predecessors were willing to take. If it had been up to Biden, the United States would have left Afghanistan 12 years ago.

There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has victimized Alexander the Great, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and now the United States.

Only delusional trash would have expected a different outcome.

DocBarrister

"There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan."

PURE BULLCHIT... A strategic withdrawal is something every military unit practices at some point in time. It starts with not telling the enemy what day you plan on bugging out.

Like telling them you will be gone by May 1st and then drawing down to a skeleton crew to show “good faith”?

How many Americans died during that time? And yet, Biden has thrown out damned near everything else TRump has done....so much so, he took it the the SCOTUS.

To make the “deal”, which is a pathetic document that would get a contract lawyer disbarred if they had written such a flimsy agreement, Trump:

(1) freed a co-founder of the original Taliban who had been captured and was sitting in a Pakistani prison;

(2) freed thousands of captured Taliban fighters;

(3) completely excluded the former Afghan government from the agreement, further delegitimizing it; and

(4) failed to fully consult with NATO allies on the pathetic agreement.

Trump was also kicked out of office by American voters, and he left a backlog of over 17,000 Afghan special immigrant visa applications as a middle finger to the Biden administration.

Any comments on that?

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

And do not provide the enemy a "kill list' UFB: U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate

The Taliban are our partners. I pointed it out earlier. The USA backed the Taliban. It has been obvious.

Clarify

We reached an agreement with the Taliban. We expected them to take control of the country as we left. We didn’t require them to stop fighting the Afghan government. We told the Afghan government to release the Taliban prisoners. The leadership in the provinces cut their deals with who they expected to be in charge based on who we reached an agreement with. No resistance because those people aren’t as stupid as we think just because they wear robes and funny hats. Why fight for us for 3-4 more weeks, which is what we expected. Haven’t read where we thought the Afghan government would prevail….if so, why cut a deal with the losers?

Seems pretty obvious but what do I know…

So why then, did we evacuate the way we did?
So why did we leave so many weapons for the Afghans Army to use if we knew it was futile?
Why did we intentionally leave so many people?
If we knew what you describe...then this administration clearly set up a death trap for our citizen and allies. And sending the military back in, was just optics and they could care less about their lives.

This is not about them, regardless of how smart they are.....it is about us and our decisions. What am I missing?

Your not missing a thing. A strategic withdrawal begins with not telling the enemy when, where or how you will leave. I was stunned a couple of weeks ago when we just abandoned Bagram AF base with no notice to our Afghan allies. Leaving Afghanistan had to happen. it should never have happened in this manner. A cluster fudge is too kind of a term to use for this abomination. I can see endless hearings in congress about this chitshow about who the hell was in charge of this mess. DEPLORABLE in every sense of the word. Heads need to roll, but heads probably will be promoted.

You mean President Trump shouldn’t have signed a treaty with the Taliban requiring the United States to leave by May 1, 2021?

DocBarrister

You can not be this ignorant.
that treaty provided the US 18 months to achieve the goal...to two weeks. Good Lord.

Did Trump do anything to smooth or actually prepare for the withdrawal?

He basically stopped doing his job for the last ten weeks of his presidency in order to try and stage a fascist coup.

DocBarrister

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cen ... h-taliban/

The leadership of this country has lost their f***ing minds. They are trusting the safety of our service members to the mother effing Taliban. Sure you mother effing dumbasses... Un mother effing believable. What member of the Biden 3 ring circus dreamed up this effing fresh pile of horse dung. Sure, share our intelligence with the people that want us dead.

Nonsense.

We need to leave this god forsaken viper pit.

More than forty years of war in Afghanistan. We already have a new civil war brewing between the Taliban, ISIS-K, and Northern militias/Afghan security forces remnants.

We didn’t have control over the country even when we had over a hundred thousand troops there. Twenty years of trying to build this nation into a democracy … over a trillion dollars and thousands of Americans lives sacrificed in the effort.

And for what?

President Biden made the hard decision and was willing to take the inevitable political hit that none of his three predecessors were willing to take. If it had been up to Biden, the United States would have left Afghanistan 12 years ago.

There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has victimized Alexander the Great, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and now the United States.

Only delusional trash would have expected a different outcome.

DocBarrister

"There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan."

PURE BULLCHIT... A strategic withdrawal is something every military unit practices at some point in time. It starts with not telling the enemy what day you plan on bugging out.

Like telling them you will be gone by May 1st and then drawing down to a skeleton crew to show “good faith”?

How many Americans died during that time? And yet, Biden has thrown out damned near everything else TRump has done....so much so, he took it the the SCOTUS.

The agreement called for no attacks so long as we were out by May 1st. Not sure what held off Isis during that time. I believe we are more secure with more troops on the ground versus less when trying to evacuate that region but you are free to believe less troops is better. Sad day today. Don’t know what you are looking for.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cen ... h-taliban/

The leadership of this country has lost their f***ing minds. They are trusting the safety of our service members to the mother effing Taliban. Sure you mother effing dumbasses... Un mother effing believable. What member of the Biden 3 ring circus dreamed up this effing fresh pile of horse dung. Sure, share our intelligence with the people that want us dead.

Nonsense.

We need to leave this god forsaken viper pit.

More than forty years of war in Afghanistan. We already have a new civil war brewing between the Taliban, ISIS-K, and Northern militias/Afghan security forces remnants.

We didn’t have control over the country even when we had over a hundred thousand troops there. Twenty years of trying to build this nation into a democracy … over a trillion dollars and thousands of Americans lives sacrificed in the effort.

And for what?

President Biden made the hard decision and was willing to take the inevitable political hit that none of his three predecessors were willing to take. If it had been up to Biden, the United States would have left Afghanistan 12 years ago.

There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has victimized Alexander the Great, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and now the United States.

Only delusional trash would have expected a different outcome.

DocBarrister

"There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan."

PURE BULLCHIT... A strategic withdrawal is something every military unit practices at some point in time. It starts with not telling the enemy what day you plan on bugging out.

Like telling them you will be gone by May 1st and then drawing down to a skeleton crew to show “good faith”?

How many Americans died during that time? And yet, Biden has thrown out damned near everything else TRump has done....so much so, he took it the the SCOTUS.

To make the “deal”, which is a pathetic document that would get a contract lawyer disbarred if they had written such a flimsy agreement, Trump:

(1) freed a co-founder of the original Taliban who had been captured and was sitting in a Pakistani prison;

(2) freed thousands of captured Taliban fighters;

(3) completely excluded the former Afghan government from the agreement, further delegitimizing it; and

(4) failed to fully consult with NATO allies on the pathetic agreement.

Trump was also kicked out of office by American voters, and he left a backlog of over 17,000 Afghan special immigrant visa applications as a middle finger to the Biden administration.

Any comments on that?

DocBarrister

It’s Biden’s fault.

[Typical Lax Dad]

And do not provide the enemy a "kill list' UFB: U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate

The Taliban are our partners. I pointed it out earlier. The USA backed the Taliban. It has been obvious.

Clarify

We reached an agreement with the Taliban. We expected them to take control of the country as we left. We didn’t require them to stop fighting the Afghan government. We told the Afghan government to release the Taliban prisoners. The leadership in the provinces cut their deals with who they expected to be in charge based on who we reached an agreement with. No resistance because those people aren’t as stupid as we think just because they wear robes and funny hats. Why fight for us for 3-4 more weeks, which is what we expected. Haven’t read where we thought the Afghan government would prevail….if so, why cut a deal with the losers?

Seems pretty obvious but what do I know…

So why then, did we evacuate the way we did?
So why did we leave so many weapons for the Afghans Army to use if we knew it was futile?
Why did we intentionally leave so many people?
If we knew what you describe...then this administration clearly set up a death trap for our citizen and allies. And sending the military back in, was just optics and they could care less about their lives.

This is not about them, regardless of how smart they are.....it is about us and our decisions. What am I missing?

Your not missing a thing. A strategic withdrawal begins with not telling the enemy when, where or how you will leave. I was stunned a couple of weeks ago when we just abandoned Bagram AF base with no notice to our Afghan allies. Leaving Afghanistan had to happen. it should never have happened in this manner. A cluster fudge is too kind of a term to use for this abomination. I can see endless hearings in congress about this chitshow about who the hell was in charge of this mess. DEPLORABLE in every sense of the word. Heads need to roll, but heads probably will be promoted.

You mean President Trump shouldn’t have signed a treaty with the Taliban requiring the United States to leave by May 1, 2021?

DocBarrister

Pointing out that Trump provided a date, drew down to a skeleton crew, negotiated the release of 2X the number of prisoners as troops we had, and didn’t negotiate a ceasefire is just misleading. It’s Biden’s fault that the exit wasn’t casualty free.

[DocBarrister]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cen ... h-taliban/

The leadership of this country has lost their f***ing minds. They are trusting the safety of our service members to the mother effing Taliban. Sure you mother effing dumbasses... Un mother effing believable. What member of the Biden 3 ring circus dreamed up this effing fresh pile of horse dung. Sure, share our intelligence with the people that want us dead.

Nonsense.

We need to leave this god forsaken viper pit.

More than forty years of war in Afghanistan. We already have a new civil war brewing between the Taliban, ISIS-K, and Northern militias/Afghan security forces remnants.

We didn’t have control over the country even when we had over a hundred thousand troops there. Twenty years of trying to build this nation into a democracy … over a trillion dollars and thousands of Americans lives sacrificed in the effort.

And for what?

President Biden made the hard decision and was willing to take the inevitable political hit that none of his three predecessors were willing to take. If it had been up to Biden, the United States would have left Afghanistan 12 years ago.

There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has victimized Alexander the Great, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and now the United States.

Only delusional trash would have expected a different outcome.

DocBarrister

"There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan."

PURE BULLCHIT... A strategic withdrawal is something every military unit practices at some point in time. It starts with not telling the enemy what day you plan on bugging out.

Like telling them you will be gone by May 1st and then drawing down to a skeleton crew to show “good faith”?

How many Americans died during that time? And yet, Biden has thrown out damned near everything else TRump has done....so much so, he took it the the SCOTUS.

To make the “deal”, which is a pathetic document that would get a contract lawyer disbarred if they had written such a flimsy agreement, Trump:

(1) freed a co-founder of the original Taliban who had been captured and was sitting in a Pakistani prison;

(2) freed thousands of captured Taliban fighters;

(3) completely excluded the former Afghan government from the agreement, further delegitimizing it; and

(4) failed to fully consult with NATO allies on the pathetic agreement.

Trump was also kicked out of office by American voters, and he left a backlog of over 17,000 Afghan special immigrant visa applications as a middle finger to the Biden administration.

Any comments on that?

DocBarrister

It’s Biden’s fault.

Unlike what Trump would have done, President Biden accepted responsibility for everything that has happened to date.

He made the tough call, and has willingly taken the hard political hit. It is messy and tragic, but history will judge him to have made the correct decision in leaving Afghanistan.

DocBarrister

[lagerhead]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cen ... h-taliban/

The leadership of this country has lost their f***ing minds. They are trusting the safety of our service members to the mother effing Taliban. Sure you mother effing dumbasses... Un mother effing believable. What member of the Biden 3 ring circus dreamed up this effing fresh pile of horse dung. Sure, share our intelligence with the people that want us dead.

Nonsense.

We need to leave this god forsaken viper pit.

More than forty years of war in Afghanistan. We already have a new civil war brewing between the Taliban, ISIS-K, and Northern militias/Afghan security forces remnants.

We didn’t have control over the country even when we had over a hundred thousand troops there. Twenty years of trying to build this nation into a democracy … over a trillion dollars and thousands of Americans lives sacrificed in the effort.

And for what?

President Biden made the hard decision and was willing to take the inevitable political hit that none of his three predecessors were willing to take. If it had been up to Biden, the United States would have left Afghanistan 12 years ago.

There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has victimized Alexander the Great, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and now the United States.

Only delusional trash would have expected a different outcome.

DocBarrister

"There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan."

PURE BULLCHIT... A strategic withdrawal is something every military unit practices at some point in time. It starts with not telling the enemy what day you plan on bugging out.

Like telling them you will be gone by May 1st and then drawing down to a skeleton crew to show “good faith”?

How many Americans died during that time? And yet, Biden has thrown out damned near everything else TRump has done....so much so, he took it the the SCOTUS.

To make the “deal”, which is a pathetic document that would get a contract lawyer disbarred if they had written such a flimsy agreement, Trump:

(1) freed a co-founder of the original Taliban who had been captured and was sitting in a Pakistani prison;

(2) freed thousands of captured Taliban fighters;

(3) completely excluded the former Afghan government from the agreement, further delegitimizing it; and

(4) failed to fully consult with NATO allies on the pathetic agreement.

Trump was also kicked out of office by American voters, and he left a backlog of over 17,000 Afghan special immigrant visa applications as a middle finger to the Biden administration.

Any comments on that?

DocBarrister

It’s Biden’s fault.

It is Biden could have reneged on that deal at any time.

[DocBarrister]

And do not provide the enemy a "kill list' UFB: U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate

The Taliban are our partners. I pointed it out earlier. The USA backed the Taliban. It has been obvious.

Clarify

We reached an agreement with the Taliban. We expected them to take control of the country as we left. We didn’t require them to stop fighting the Afghan government. We told the Afghan government to release the Taliban prisoners. The leadership in the provinces cut their deals with who they expected to be in charge based on who we reached an agreement with. No resistance because those people aren’t as stupid as we think just because they wear robes and funny hats. Why fight for us for 3-4 more weeks, which is what we expected. Haven’t read where we thought the Afghan government would prevail….if so, why cut a deal with the losers?

Seems pretty obvious but what do I know…

So why then, did we evacuate the way we did?
So why did we leave so many weapons for the Afghans Army to use if we knew it was futile?
Why did we intentionally leave so many people?
If we knew what you describe...then this administration clearly set up a death trap for our citizen and allies. And sending the military back in, was just optics and they could care less about their lives.

This is not about them, regardless of how smart they are.....it is about us and our decisions. What am I missing?

Your not missing a thing. A strategic withdrawal begins with not telling the enemy when, where or how you will leave. I was stunned a couple of weeks ago when we just abandoned Bagram AF base with no notice to our Afghan allies. Leaving Afghanistan had to happen. it should never have happened in this manner. A cluster fudge is too kind of a term to use for this abomination. I can see endless hearings in congress about this chitshow about who the hell was in charge of this mess. DEPLORABLE in every sense of the word. Heads need to roll, but heads probably will be promoted.

You mean President Trump shouldn’t have signed a treaty with the Taliban requiring the United States to leave by May 1, 2021?

DocBarrister

Pointing out that Trump provided a date, drew down to a skeleton crew, negotiated the release of 2X the number of prisoners as troops we had, and didn’t negotiate a ceasefire is just misleading. It’s Biden’s fault that the exit wasn’t casualty free.

No doubt.

And we haven’t even begun to discuss that pedophile pizza ring that he runs.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cen ... h-taliban/

The leadership of this country has lost their f***ing minds. They are trusting the safety of our service members to the mother effing Taliban. Sure you mother effing dumbasses... Un mother effing believable. What member of the Biden 3 ring circus dreamed up this effing fresh pile of horse dung. Sure, share our intelligence with the people that want us dead.

Nonsense.

We need to leave this god forsaken viper pit.

More than forty years of war in Afghanistan. We already have a new civil war brewing between the Taliban, ISIS-K, and Northern militias/Afghan security forces remnants.

We didn’t have control over the country even when we had over a hundred thousand troops there. Twenty years of trying to build this nation into a democracy … over a trillion dollars and thousands of Americans lives sacrificed in the effort.

And for what?

President Biden made the hard decision and was willing to take the inevitable political hit that none of his three predecessors were willing to take. If it had been up to Biden, the United States would have left Afghanistan 12 years ago.

There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has victimized Alexander the Great, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and now the United States.

Only delusional trash would have expected a different outcome.

DocBarrister

"There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan."

PURE BULLCHIT... A strategic withdrawal is something every military unit practices at some point in time. It starts with not telling the enemy what day you plan on bugging out.

Like telling them you will be gone by May 1st and then drawing down to a skeleton crew to show “good faith”?

How many Americans died during that time? And yet, Biden has thrown out damned near everything else TRump has done....so much so, he took it the the SCOTUS.

To make the “deal”, which is a pathetic document that would get a contract lawyer disbarred if they had written such a flimsy agreement, Trump:

(1) freed a co-founder of the original Taliban who had been captured and was sitting in a Pakistani prison;

(2) freed thousands of captured Taliban fighters;

(3) completely excluded the former Afghan government from the agreement, further delegitimizing it; and

(4) failed to fully consult with NATO allies on the pathetic agreement.

Trump was also kicked out of office by American voters, and he left a backlog of over 17,000 Afghan special immigrant visa applications as a middle finger to the Biden administration.

Any comments on that?

DocBarrister

It’s Biden’s fault.

It is Biden could have reneged on that deal at any time.

Gee … wonder what the Taliban would have done if President Biden had chosen not to leave?

Go home and start a vegetable garden?

Send a firmly worded letter of protest to MSNBC and Fox News?

Stamp their feet and say, “Gosh darn it?”

DocBarrister

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cen ... h-taliban/

The leadership of this country has lost their f***ing minds. They are trusting the safety of our service members to the mother effing Taliban. Sure you mother effing dumbasses... Un mother effing believable. What member of the Biden 3 ring circus dreamed up this effing fresh pile of horse dung. Sure, share our intelligence with the people that want us dead.

Nonsense.

We need to leave this god forsaken viper pit.

More than forty years of war in Afghanistan. We already have a new civil war brewing between the Taliban, ISIS-K, and Northern militias/Afghan security forces remnants.

We didn’t have control over the country even when we had over a hundred thousand troops there. Twenty years of trying to build this nation into a democracy … over a trillion dollars and thousands of Americans lives sacrificed in the effort.

And for what?

President Biden made the hard decision and was willing to take the inevitable political hit that none of his three predecessors were willing to take. If it had been up to Biden, the United States would have left Afghanistan 12 years ago.

There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has victimized Alexander the Great, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and now the United States.

Only delusional trash would have expected a different outcome.

DocBarrister

"There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan."

PURE BULLCHIT... A strategic withdrawal is something every military unit practices at some point in time. It starts with not telling the enemy what day you plan on bugging out.

Like telling them you will be gone by May 1st and then drawing down to a skeleton crew to show “good faith”?

How many Americans died during that time? And yet, Biden has thrown out damned near everything else TRump has done....so much so, he took it the the SCOTUS.

To make the “deal”, which is a pathetic document that would get a contract lawyer disbarred if they had written such a flimsy agreement, Trump:

(1) freed a co-founder of the original Taliban who had been captured and was sitting in a Pakistani prison;

(2) freed thousands of captured Taliban fighters;

(3) completely excluded the former Afghan government from the agreement, further delegitimizing it; and

(4) failed to fully consult with NATO allies on the pathetic agreement.

Trump was also kicked out of office by American voters, and he left a backlog of over 17,000 Afghan special immigrant visa applications as a middle finger to the Biden administration.

Any comments on that?

DocBarrister

It’s Biden’s fault.

It is Biden could have reneged on that deal at any time.

The American Way……

[seacoaster]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cen ... h-taliban/

The leadership of this country has lost their f***ing minds. They are trusting the safety of our service members to the mother effing Taliban. Sure you mother effing dumbasses... Un mother effing believable. What member of the Biden 3 ring circus dreamed up this effing fresh pile of horse dung. Sure, share our intelligence with the people that want us dead.

Nonsense.

We need to leave this god forsaken viper pit.

More than forty years of war in Afghanistan. We already have a new civil war brewing between the Taliban, ISIS-K, and Northern militias/Afghan security forces remnants.

We didn’t have control over the country even when we had over a hundred thousand troops there. Twenty years of trying to build this nation into a democracy … over a trillion dollars and thousands of Americans lives sacrificed in the effort.

And for what?

President Biden made the hard decision and was willing to take the inevitable political hit that none of his three predecessors were willing to take. If it had been up to Biden, the United States would have left Afghanistan 12 years ago.

There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has victimized Alexander the Great, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and now the United States.

Only delusional trash would have expected a different outcome.

DocBarrister

"There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan."

PURE BULLCHIT... A strategic withdrawal is something every military unit practices at some point in time. It starts with not telling the enemy what day you plan on bugging out.

Like telling them you will be gone by May 1st and then drawing down to a skeleton crew to show “good faith”?

How many Americans died during that time? And yet, Biden has thrown out damned near everything else TRump has done....so much so, he took it the the SCOTUS.

To make the “deal”, which is a pathetic document that would get a contract lawyer disbarred if they had written such a flimsy agreement, Trump:

(1) freed a co-founder of the original Taliban who had been captured and was sitting in a Pakistani prison;

(2) freed thousands of captured Taliban fighters;

(3) completely excluded the former Afghan government from the agreement, further delegitimizing it; and

(4) failed to fully consult with NATO allies on the pathetic agreement.

Trump was also kicked out of office by American voters, and he left a backlog of over 17,000 Afghan special immigrant visa applications as a middle finger to the Biden administration.

Any comments on that?

DocBarrister

It’s Biden’s fault.

It is Biden could have reneged on that deal at any time.

The American Way……

Yeah, we are in Dum-Dum land here now.

[lagerhead]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cen ... h-taliban/

The leadership of this country has lost their f***ing minds. They are trusting the safety of our service members to the mother effing Taliban. Sure you mother effing dumbasses... Un mother effing believable. What member of the Biden 3 ring circus dreamed up this effing fresh pile of horse dung. Sure, share our intelligence with the people that want us dead.

Nonsense.

We need to leave this god forsaken viper pit.

More than forty years of war in Afghanistan. We already have a new civil war brewing between the Taliban, ISIS-K, and Northern militias/Afghan security forces remnants.

We didn’t have control over the country even when we had over a hundred thousand troops there. Twenty years of trying to build this nation into a democracy … over a trillion dollars and thousands of Americans lives sacrificed in the effort.

And for what?

President Biden made the hard decision and was willing to take the inevitable political hit that none of his three predecessors were willing to take. If it had been up to Biden, the United States would have left Afghanistan 12 years ago.

There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has victimized Alexander the Great, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and now the United States.

Only delusional trash would have expected a different outcome.

DocBarrister

"There was never going to be a “clean” exit from Afghanistan."

PURE BULLCHIT... A strategic withdrawal is something every military unit practices at some point in time. It starts with not telling the enemy what day you plan on bugging out.

Like telling them you will be gone by May 1st and then drawing down to a skeleton crew to show “good faith”?

How many Americans died during that time? And yet, Biden has thrown out damned near everything else TRump has done....so much so, he took it the the SCOTUS.

To make the “deal”, which is a pathetic document that would get a contract lawyer disbarred if they had written such a flimsy agreement, Trump:

(1) freed a co-founder of the original Taliban who had been captured and was sitting in a Pakistani prison;

(2) freed thousands of captured Taliban fighters;

(3) completely excluded the former Afghan government from the agreement, further delegitimizing it; and

(4) failed to fully consult with NATO allies on the pathetic agreement.

Trump was also kicked out of office by American voters, and he left a backlog of over 17,000 Afghan special immigrant visa applications as a middle finger to the Biden administration.

Any comments on that?

DocBarrister

It’s Biden’s fault.

It is Biden could have reneged on that deal at any time.

Gee … wonder what the Taliban would have done if President Biden had chosen not to leave?

Go home and start a vegetable garden? Nope, no water you know the environment thread covers that.

Send a firmly worded letter of protest to MSNBC and Fox News?
Boycott their advertisers and shame them in social media.

Stamp their feet and say, “Gosh darn it?” This is where they’d riot in the street and burn down their own camps.

DocBarrister

We’ll never know.

[old salt]

Haven’t read where we thought the Afghan government would prevail

All you had to do was listen to Biden.

[MDlaxfan76]

Haven’t read where we thought the Afghan government would prevail

All you had to do was listen to Biden.

Wishful thinking; best I heard was that they might hold on for 12-18 months...at least a possibility and to say otherwise would have simply started the panic faster.

[Kikin]

There is simply no way any sane person can support the "Biden" (I do not seriously believe Biden is running our government what so ever) withdraw "plan" . Just like everything else in this country that was working Biden and his band of merry bandits undid any plans Trump had, even if they were working. I have seen multiple interviews with Trump advisers who said there was a plan for withdraw that completely contradicts the way things were done. First, the trump plan, per General Kellog , former national security advisor, and substantiated by Mike Pompeo, stated that their plan was conditions based and there is documentation everywhere confirming this. Their plan had a target date but all target dates were based on contingencies and goals met along the way. Firstly, Bagram air base was to be left open, the target date could be moved if a coalition government was not formed. Secondly, in any military or war school, first thing you learn is you never leave your valuable equipment behind for the enemy to use against you. You remove it and if that is not possible, you destroy it. Left behind... thousands of trucks, HumVees, Armored Military Vehicles, thousands of speciality rifles like M4, M16 and M24 sniper rifles, 7,000 of the M 2.5 machine guns and the ammunition to use them, 20,000 grenades, 158 Black Hawk Helicopters, hundreds of specially equipped drones. You don't leave behind the night googles, high powered radios. All things now used against us as we try to get our people out. You certainly never leave behind top secret valuable data like the names, photos, addresses, and phone numbers of americans and citizen support personnel in the place you are exiting so they can be easily tracked, found and picked up.

This should NOT be political, this entire episode is a debacle. We are all U.S. citizens and today we lost 12 of our own because we allowed the Taliban to be the police of our operation due the complete incompetence of this administration.

[old salt]

Haven’t read where we thought the Afghan government would prevail

All you had to do was listen to Biden.

Wishful thinking; best I heard was that they might hold on for 12-18 months...at least a possibility and to say otherwise would have simply started the panic faster.

12-18 months would have been more than enough. This entire withdrawal strategy -- the order, time frame, base turnover & deadline, was predicated on the govt holding together & the ASF covering our retreat. We didn't even notify the ASF when we were vacating the bases. We did not factor in the possibility of the collapse of the govt & the ASF before we & our Afghan friends could get out. When it became obvious the govt would fall, we did not adjust,

We've outsourced our security to the Haqqani network & given them a kill list. Good God !
...& we're not out yet.