All things CoronaVirus

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How many of your friends and family members have died of the Chinese Corona Virus?

0 people
45
64%
1 person.
10
14%
2 people.
3
4%
3 people.
5
7%
More.
7
10%
 
Total votes: 70

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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:26 pm
wgdsr wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:48 pm https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/23/covid-d ... aked-.html
looks like it has peaked. we'll get through it.
* in the South. If it has indeed peaked. Hopefully so, maybe not, data is still needed. There are a few dozen other states who haven't been hit as hard who may or may not see more cases and deaths like we've seen in the South. We will see. A lot of variables.

We'll get through it as a country, that was never in doubt. Hundreds of thousands haven't, many preventable. A lot of terrible leaders.
Yup, Gottlieb is only saying that the hardest hit places in the South look like they're reaching their top...though I don't see any discussion of what open schools with no mask requirements (if that's sustained) will do to these projections or whether a secondary spike may occur.

Note that Florida's change to how they're reporting is giving a false sense of what's happening there...they're actually still surging (though could also be nearing their peak, hopefully).
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:12 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:26 pm
wgdsr wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:48 pm https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/23/covid-d ... aked-.html
looks like it has peaked. we'll get through it.
* in the South. If it has indeed peaked. Hopefully so, maybe not, data is still needed. There are a few dozen other states who haven't been hit as hard who may or may not see more cases and deaths like we've seen in the South. We will see. A lot of variables.

We'll get through it as a country, that was never in doubt. Hundreds of thousands haven't, many preventable. A lot of terrible leaders.
Yup, Gottlieb is only saying that the hardest hit places in the South look like they're reaching their top...though I don't see any discussion of what open schools with no mask requirements (if that's sustained) will do to these projections or whether a secondary spike may occur.

Note that Florida's change to how they're reporting is giving a false sense of what's happening there...they're actually still surging (though could also be nearing their peak, hopefully).
Well school has been open here two weeks basically and we just had aids birthday party at our house. Not a random sampling of the average in Atlanta probably but I’ll let you know if I’m hurting in the next few weeks. Happen to have a sore throat at the movement but also acknowledge I desperately need to see a nose/ear/throat specialist for other reasons anyways as I get healthier.
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National Review
May 20, 2020.

THE CORNER
POLITICS & POLICY
‘Where Does Ron DeSantis Go to Get His Apology?’
By RICH LOWRY

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/w ... s-apology/
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Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
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CU88 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:05 am National Review
May 20, 2020.

THE CORNER
POLITICS & POLICY
‘Where Does Ron DeSantis Go to Get His Apology?’
By RICH LOWRY

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/w ... s-apology/
Rich Lowry doesn’t have William Kristols intellectual chops let along William F Buckley. The National review over time reflects that.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:59 am
CU88 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:05 am National Review
May 20, 2020.

THE CORNER
POLITICS & POLICY
‘Where Does Ron DeSantis Go to Get His Apology?’
By RICH LOWRY

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/w ... s-apology/
Rich Lowry doesn’t have William Kristols intellectual chops let along William F Buckley. The National review over time reflects that.
... it used to be something worth reading, now its just one more right wing rag that is nothing but propaganda.
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jhu72 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:50 pm The selling of Ivermectin.
If it’s good enough for a Third World Country is good enough for the USA….I said years ago Trump would turn this country into the the Congo….
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jhu72 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:50 pm The selling of Ivermectin.
BULLSH!T story you posted from WaPo.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-iverme ... 1627482393

behind paywall...

The Food and Drug Administration claims to follow the science. So why is it attacking
ivermectin, a medication it certified in 1996?
Earlier this year the agency put out a special warning that “you should not use ivermectin
to treat or prevent COVID-19.” The FDA’s statement included words and phrases such as
“serious harm,” “hospitalized,” “dangerous,” “very dangerous,” “seizures,” “coma and
even death” and “highly toxic.” Any reader would think the FDA was warning against
poison pills. In fact, the drug is FDA-approved as a safe and effective antiparasitic.
Ivermectin was developed and marketed by Merck & Co. while one of us (Mr. Hooper)
worked there years ago. William C. Campbell and Satoshi Omura won the 2015 Nobel Prize
for Physiology or Medicine for discovering and developing avermectin, which Mr.
Campbell and associates modified to create ivermectin.
Ivermectin is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines. Merck has
donated four billion doses to prevent river blindness and other diseases in Africa and
other places where parasites are common. A group of 10 doctors who call themselves the
Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance have said ivermectin is “one of the safest, lowcost, and widely available drugs in the history of medicine.”
Ivermectin fights 21 viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the cause of Covid-19. A single dose
OPINION | COMMENTARY
Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective
Drug?
Ivermectin is a promising Covid treatment and prophylaxis, but the agency is denigrating it.
By David R. Henderson and Charles L. Hooper
July 28, 2021 12:34 pm ET
Ivermectin in Buenos Aires, Jan. 26.
PHOTO: ROBERTO ALMEIDA AVELEDO/ZUMA PRESS
reduced the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 in cells by 99.8% in 24 hours and 99.98% in 48 hours,
according to a June 2020 study published in the journal Antiviral Research.
Some 70 clinical trials are evaluating the use of ivermectin for treating Covid-19. The
statistically significant evidence suggests that it is safe and works for both treating and
preventing the disease.
In 115 patients with Covid-19 who received a single dose of ivermectin, none developed
pneumonia or cardiovascular complications, while 11.4% of those in the control group did.
Fewer ivermectin patients developed respiratory distress (2.6% vs. 15.8%); fewer required
oxygen (9.6% vs. 45.9%); fewer required antibiotics (15.7% vs. 60.2%); and fewer entered
intensive care (0.1% vs. 8.3%). Ivermectin-treated patients tested negative faster, in four
days instead of 15, and stayed in the hospital nine days on average instead of 15.
Ivermectin patients experienced 13.3% mortality compared with 24.5% in the control
group.
Moreover, the drug can help prevent Covid-19. One 2020 article in Biochemical and
Biophysical Research Communications looked at what happened after the drug was given
to family members of confirmed Covid-19 patients. Less than 8% became infected, versus
58.4% of those untreated. Among 200 healthcare workers and others at high risk of
exposure, only 2% of those given ivermectin developed Covid-19. But 10% of the control
group did.
Despite the FDA’s claims, ivermectin is safe at approved doses. Out of four billion doses
administered since 1998, there have been only 28 cases of serious neurological adverse
events, according to an article published this year in the American Journal of
Therapeutics. The same study found that ivermectin has been used safely in pregnant
women, children and infants.
If the FDA were driven by science and evidence, it would give an emergency-use
authorization for ivermectin for Covid-19. Instead, the FDA asserts without evidence that
ivermectin is dangerous.
At the bottom of the FDA’s warning against ivermectin is this statement: “Meanwhile,
effective ways to limit the spread of COVID-19 continue to be to wear your mask, stay at
least 6 feet from others who don’t live with you, wash hands frequently, and avoid
crowds.” Is this based on the kinds of double-blind studies that the FDA requires for drug
approvals? No.
Mr. Henderson, a research fellow with the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, was
senior health economist with President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers. Mr.
Hooper is president of Objective Insights, a firm that consults with pharmaceutical clients.
Appeared in the, print edition

U.S. signs $1.2 bln deal for 1.7 mln courses of Merck's experimental COVID-19 drug

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-06-09/

but Merck already has an oral anti-viral pill, has had for decades called Ivermectin...why all the add'l spending for such an expensive new drug?
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Objective Insights client most

https://www.objectiveinsights.com/clients/
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Objective Insights client list

https://www.objectiveinsights.com/clients/
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:41 pm Objective Insights client list

https://www.objectiveinsights.com/clients/
Home page looks like they are a legit group....then you look at their team and think, hmmmm what is going on here.
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youthathletics wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:59 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:41 pm Objective Insights client list

https://www.objectiveinsights.com/clients/
Home page looks like they are a legit group....then you look at their team and think, hmmmm what is going on here.
Don't follow. Wouldn't Hooper stand to profit somehow if IVM is squashed as an anti-viral and the new drug is developed at Merck?
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tech37 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:19 pm
jhu72 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:50 pm The selling of Ivermectin.
BULLSH!T story you posted from WaPo.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-iverme ... 1627482393

behind paywall...

The Food and Drug Administration claims to follow the science. So why is it attacking
ivermectin, a medication it certified in 1996?
Earlier this year the agency put out a special warning that “you should not use ivermectin
to treat or prevent COVID-19.” The FDA’s statement included words and phrases such as
“serious harm,” “hospitalized,” “dangerous,” “very dangerous,” “seizures,” “coma and
even death” and “highly toxic.” Any reader would think the FDA was warning against
poison pills. In fact, the drug is FDA-approved as a safe and effective antiparasitic.
Ivermectin was developed and marketed by Merck & Co. while one of us (Mr. Hooper)
worked there years ago. William C. Campbell and Satoshi Omura won the 2015 Nobel Prize
for Physiology or Medicine for discovering and developing avermectin, which Mr.
Campbell and associates modified to create ivermectin.
Ivermectin is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines. Merck has
donated four billion doses to prevent river blindness and other diseases in Africa and
other places where parasites are common. A group of 10 doctors who call themselves the
Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance have said ivermectin is “one of the safest, lowcost, and widely available drugs in the history of medicine.”
Ivermectin fights 21 viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the cause of Covid-19. A single dose
OPINION | COMMENTARY
Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective
Drug?
Ivermectin is a promising Covid treatment and prophylaxis, but the agency is denigrating it.
By David R. Henderson and Charles L. Hooper
July 28, 2021 12:34 pm ET
Ivermectin in Buenos Aires, Jan. 26.
PHOTO: ROBERTO ALMEIDA AVELEDO/ZUMA PRESS
reduced the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 in cells by 99.8% in 24 hours and 99.98% in 48 hours,
according to a June 2020 study published in the journal Antiviral Research.
Some 70 clinical trials are evaluating the use of ivermectin for treating Covid-19. The
statistically significant evidence suggests that it is safe and works for both treating and
preventing the disease.
In 115 patients with Covid-19 who received a single dose of ivermectin, none developed
pneumonia or cardiovascular complications, while 11.4% of those in the control group did.
Fewer ivermectin patients developed respiratory distress (2.6% vs. 15.8%); fewer required
oxygen (9.6% vs. 45.9%); fewer required antibiotics (15.7% vs. 60.2%); and fewer entered
intensive care (0.1% vs. 8.3%). Ivermectin-treated patients tested negative faster, in four
days instead of 15, and stayed in the hospital nine days on average instead of 15.
Ivermectin patients experienced 13.3% mortality compared with 24.5% in the control
group.
Moreover, the drug can help prevent Covid-19. One 2020 article in Biochemical and
Biophysical Research Communications looked at what happened after the drug was given
to family members of confirmed Covid-19 patients. Less than 8% became infected, versus
58.4% of those untreated. Among 200 healthcare workers and others at high risk of
exposure, only 2% of those given ivermectin developed Covid-19. But 10% of the control
group did.
Despite the FDA’s claims, ivermectin is safe at approved doses. Out of four billion doses
administered since 1998, there have been only 28 cases of serious neurological adverse
events, according to an article published this year in the American Journal of
Therapeutics. The same study found that ivermectin has been used safely in pregnant
women, children and infants.
If the FDA were driven by science and evidence, it would give an emergency-use
authorization for ivermectin for Covid-19. Instead, the FDA asserts without evidence that
ivermectin is dangerous.
At the bottom of the FDA’s warning against ivermectin is this statement: “Meanwhile,
effective ways to limit the spread of COVID-19 continue to be to wear your mask, stay at
least 6 feet from others who don’t live with you, wash hands frequently, and avoid
crowds.” Is this based on the kinds of double-blind studies that the FDA requires for drug
approvals? No.
Mr. Henderson, a research fellow with the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, was
senior health economist with President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers. Mr.
Hooper is president of Objective Insights, a firm that consults with pharmaceutical clients.
Appeared in the, print edition

U.S. signs $1.2 bln deal for 1.7 mln courses of Merck's experimental COVID-19 drug

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-06-09/

but Merck already has an oral anti-viral pill, has had for decades called Ivermectin...why all the add'l spending for such an expensive new drug?
Doesn’t that say OPINION?
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by cradleandshoot » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:57 am
Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
This is cradle and shoot signing out.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:22 pm
tech37 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:19 pm
jhu72 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:50 pm The selling of Ivermectin.
BULLSH!T story you posted from WaPo.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-iverme ... 1627482393

behind paywall...

The Food and Drug Administration claims to follow the science. So why is it attacking
ivermectin, a medication it certified in 1996?
Earlier this year the agency put out a special warning that “you should not use ivermectin
to treat or prevent COVID-19.” The FDA’s statement included words and phrases such as
“serious harm,” “hospitalized,” “dangerous,” “very dangerous,” “seizures,” “coma and
even death” and “highly toxic.” Any reader would think the FDA was warning against
poison pills. In fact, the drug is FDA-approved as a safe and effective antiparasitic.
Ivermectin was developed and marketed by Merck & Co. while one of us (Mr. Hooper)
worked there years ago. William C. Campbell and Satoshi Omura won the 2015 Nobel Prize
for Physiology or Medicine for discovering and developing avermectin, which Mr.
Campbell and associates modified to create ivermectin.
Ivermectin is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines. Merck has
donated four billion doses to prevent river blindness and other diseases in Africa and
other places where parasites are common. A group of 10 doctors who call themselves the
Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance have said ivermectin is “one of the safest, lowcost, and widely available drugs in the history of medicine.”
Ivermectin fights 21 viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the cause of Covid-19. A single dose
OPINION | COMMENTARY
Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective
Drug?
Ivermectin is a promising Covid treatment and prophylaxis, but the agency is denigrating it.
By David R. Henderson and Charles L. Hooper
July 28, 2021 12:34 pm ET
Ivermectin in Buenos Aires, Jan. 26.
PHOTO: ROBERTO ALMEIDA AVELEDO/ZUMA PRESS
reduced the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 in cells by 99.8% in 24 hours and 99.98% in 48 hours,
according to a June 2020 study published in the journal Antiviral Research.
Some 70 clinical trials are evaluating the use of ivermectin for treating Covid-19. The
statistically significant evidence suggests that it is safe and works for both treating and
preventing the disease.
In 115 patients with Covid-19 who received a single dose of ivermectin, none developed
pneumonia or cardiovascular complications, while 11.4% of those in the control group did.
Fewer ivermectin patients developed respiratory distress (2.6% vs. 15.8%); fewer required
oxygen (9.6% vs. 45.9%); fewer required antibiotics (15.7% vs. 60.2%); and fewer entered
intensive care (0.1% vs. 8.3%). Ivermectin-treated patients tested negative faster, in four
days instead of 15, and stayed in the hospital nine days on average instead of 15.
Ivermectin patients experienced 13.3% mortality compared with 24.5% in the control
group.
Moreover, the drug can help prevent Covid-19. One 2020 article in Biochemical and
Biophysical Research Communications looked at what happened after the drug was given
to family members of confirmed Covid-19 patients. Less than 8% became infected, versus
58.4% of those untreated. Among 200 healthcare workers and others at high risk of
exposure, only 2% of those given ivermectin developed Covid-19. But 10% of the control
group did.
Despite the FDA’s claims, ivermectin is safe at approved doses. Out of four billion doses
administered since 1998, there have been only 28 cases of serious neurological adverse
events, according to an article published this year in the American Journal of
Therapeutics. The same study found that ivermectin has been used safely in pregnant
women, children and infants.
If the FDA were driven by science and evidence, it would give an emergency-use
authorization for ivermectin for Covid-19. Instead, the FDA asserts without evidence that
ivermectin is dangerous.
At the bottom of the FDA’s warning against ivermectin is this statement: “Meanwhile,
effective ways to limit the spread of COVID-19 continue to be to wear your mask, stay at
least 6 feet from others who don’t live with you, wash hands frequently, and avoid
crowds.” Is this based on the kinds of double-blind studies that the FDA requires for drug
approvals? No.
Mr. Henderson, a research fellow with the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, was
senior health economist with President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers. Mr.
Hooper is president of Objective Insights, a firm that consults with pharmaceutical clients.
Appeared in the, print edition

U.S. signs $1.2 bln deal for 1.7 mln courses of Merck's experimental COVID-19 drug

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-06-09/

but Merck already has an oral anti-viral pill, has had for decades called Ivermectin...why all the add'l spending for such an expensive new drug?
Doesn’t that say OPINION?
Ha ... Mr. "Tried and true" chimes in... Yes, opinions may be correct.

And of course the hit piece, clickbait, misinformation WaPo article was based completely on fact. :roll: What a joke...
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Merck a manufacturer of Ivermectin press release 2/4/21:
KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:

No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.
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CU88 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:23 pmCOVID data.jpg


:lol: :lol: Those percentages are so far off, they reek of one of Brooklyn's many seudo names. :roll:
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tech37 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:29 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:22 pm
tech37 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:19 pm
jhu72 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:50 pm The selling of Ivermectin.
BULLSH!T story you posted from WaPo.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-iverme ... 1627482393

behind paywall...

The Food and Drug Administration claims to follow the science. So why is it attacking
ivermectin, a medication it certified in 1996?
Earlier this year the agency put out a special warning that “you should not use ivermectin
to treat or prevent COVID-19.” The FDA’s statement included words and phrases such as
“serious harm,” “hospitalized,” “dangerous,” “very dangerous,” “seizures,” “coma and
even death” and “highly toxic.” Any reader would think the FDA was warning against
poison pills. In fact, the drug is FDA-approved as a safe and effective antiparasitic.
Ivermectin was developed and marketed by Merck & Co. while one of us (Mr. Hooper)
worked there years ago. William C. Campbell and Satoshi Omura won the 2015 Nobel Prize
for Physiology or Medicine for discovering and developing avermectin, which Mr.
Campbell and associates modified to create ivermectin.
Ivermectin is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines. Merck has
donated four billion doses to prevent river blindness and other diseases in Africa and
other places where parasites are common. A group of 10 doctors who call themselves the
Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance have said ivermectin is “one of the safest, lowcost, and widely available drugs in the history of medicine.”
Ivermectin fights 21 viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the cause of Covid-19. A single dose
OPINION | COMMENTARY
Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective
Drug?
Ivermectin is a promising Covid treatment and prophylaxis, but the agency is denigrating it.
By David R. Henderson and Charles L. Hooper
July 28, 2021 12:34 pm ET
Ivermectin in Buenos Aires, Jan. 26.
PHOTO: ROBERTO ALMEIDA AVELEDO/ZUMA PRESS
reduced the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 in cells by 99.8% in 24 hours and 99.98% in 48 hours,
according to a June 2020 study published in the journal Antiviral Research.
Some 70 clinical trials are evaluating the use of ivermectin for treating Covid-19. The
statistically significant evidence suggests that it is safe and works for both treating and
preventing the disease.
In 115 patients with Covid-19 who received a single dose of ivermectin, none developed
pneumonia or cardiovascular complications, while 11.4% of those in the control group did.
Fewer ivermectin patients developed respiratory distress (2.6% vs. 15.8%); fewer required
oxygen (9.6% vs. 45.9%); fewer required antibiotics (15.7% vs. 60.2%); and fewer entered
intensive care (0.1% vs. 8.3%). Ivermectin-treated patients tested negative faster, in four
days instead of 15, and stayed in the hospital nine days on average instead of 15.
Ivermectin patients experienced 13.3% mortality compared with 24.5% in the control
group.
Moreover, the drug can help prevent Covid-19. One 2020 article in Biochemical and
Biophysical Research Communications looked at what happened after the drug was given
to family members of confirmed Covid-19 patients. Less than 8% became infected, versus
58.4% of those untreated. Among 200 healthcare workers and others at high risk of
exposure, only 2% of those given ivermectin developed Covid-19. But 10% of the control
group did.
Despite the FDA’s claims, ivermectin is safe at approved doses. Out of four billion doses
administered since 1998, there have been only 28 cases of serious neurological adverse
events, according to an article published this year in the American Journal of
Therapeutics. The same study found that ivermectin has been used safely in pregnant
women, children and infants.
If the FDA were driven by science and evidence, it would give an emergency-use
authorization for ivermectin for Covid-19. Instead, the FDA asserts without evidence that
ivermectin is dangerous.
At the bottom of the FDA’s warning against ivermectin is this statement: “Meanwhile,
effective ways to limit the spread of COVID-19 continue to be to wear your mask, stay at
least 6 feet from others who don’t live with you, wash hands frequently, and avoid
crowds.” Is this based on the kinds of double-blind studies that the FDA requires for drug
approvals? No.
Mr. Henderson, a research fellow with the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, was
senior health economist with President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers. Mr.
Hooper is president of Objective Insights, a firm that consults with pharmaceutical clients.
Appeared in the, print edition

U.S. signs $1.2 bln deal for 1.7 mln courses of Merck's experimental COVID-19 drug

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-06-09/

but Merck already has an oral anti-viral pill, has had for decades called Ivermectin...why all the add'l spending for such an expensive new drug?
Doesn’t that say OPINION?
Ha ... Mr. "Tried and true" chimes in... Yes, opinions may be correct.

And of course the hit piece, clickbait, misinformation WaPo article was based completely on fact. :roll: What a joke...
Once it’s been determined to be effective in treating COVID-19, it will be prescribed…..right now folks in Botswana have nothing to use…..Roots Man swears by root tonics. They also cure COVID-19….try some.
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Re: All things CoronaVirus

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Tech's Reuters reference https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-06-09/ describes a new, experimental drug from Merck, "Molnupiravir". This is an RNA modifying drug. It is not the same has "Ivermectin". Different chemistry.
Molnupiravir is similar to Remdesivir in that, as a nucleotide derivative, replaces a building block in the virus' genetic code which inhibits replication of the virus.

Ivermectin's theorised virostatic mechanisms of action are different and do not target the genetic sequence:

Inhibit viral RdRP (RNA dependent RNA Polymerase) - prevent viral replication.

Inhibit 3CLPro (3 Chymotrypsin-like Protease) - prevent formation of viral proteins out of polyprotein.

Inhibit binding of viral proteins to importin nucleus transporters.

Inhibit binding of virus spike protein - computer models show binding affinity to the receptor binding domain of the S protein.
... it won't deworm any creature.
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Re: All things CoronaVirus

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jhu72 wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 3:31 pm Merck a manufacturer of Ivermectin press release 2/4/21:
KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:

No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.
Well of course! 1. The politicians and medical establishment are trying to get as many people vaccinated as possible. Any evidence that an available therapeutic (prescribed off-label or not) shows prophylactic or treatment promise could slow or discourage vaccination.
2. Merck (and many others) stand to profit handsomely by developing a new therapeutic specifically for Covid... perhaps even you jhu72? See the posted 1.2 billion advance article.

Merck is shooting for 2021 approval for their new drug. BS, IMO. We won't see any new approved therapeutics until every last person is vaccinated and/or the last of the variants are done. Don't hold your breath.
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