Will Maryland be a Powerhouse again in 2022?

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The simple answer to the question at hand is ... no, Maryland will not be a powerhouse again in 2022.
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Okay, now give us a more detailed/in depth answer.
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@inthe8m wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:25 pm The simple answer to the question at hand is ... no, Maryland will not be a powerhouse again in 2022.
I concur.
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I think I'll wait and see what the 2022 lineup looks like.

I am thinking Maryland will be better than last year, and the addition of the three defender transfers will help. But I am not seeing the sort of midfield presence required to win big games against really good teams. The likes of two-way, workhorse, super-skilled middies like McFadden, Schwarzmann, Glaros, Cummings, McPartland, Stukenburg, Giles and Evans are just not there. That long line of super midfielders seems to have been snapped, and that's a problem.
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seacoaster wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:13 pm I think I'll wait and see what the 2022 lineup looks like.

I am thinking Maryland will be better than last year, and the addition of the three defender transfers will help. But I am not seeing the sort of midfield presence required to win big games against really good teams. The likes of two-way, workhorse, super-skilled middies like McFadden, Schwarzmann, Glaros, Cummings, McPartland, Stukenburg, Giles and Evans are just not there. That long line of super midfielders seems to have been snapped, and that's a problem.
I am going to wait until I see them in Fall Ball
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DMac wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:38 pm Okay, now give us a more detailed/in depth answer.
How about just the low hanging fruit? Why would anyone be expecting great things out of a team that went 13-10 over the last 1+ seasons? You have to wonder about the 2020 recruiting class that only had one player contributing significantly - KH on D. And, it is not as if the Terps could not have used a lot more output from the 2020s in 2021 (especially on offense) and Reese has never been shy about playing FR. If the 2021 UA Senior Game is any indication, no one should expect much out of the 2021 class for Maryland. If Maryland is on the brink of being a powerhouse again with the existing talent, why do they need to bring in five transfers? How many supposed Top 25 girls did Maryland have transferred to other schools ... Rielly, Flaherty ...? Were the Top 25 girls that transferred out not developing at Maryland or were they overhyped because they committed to Maryland?
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Dr. Tact wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:19 pm
seacoaster wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:13 pm I think I'll wait and see what the 2022 lineup looks like.

I am thinking Maryland will be better than last year, and the addition of the three defender transfers will help. But I am not seeing the sort of midfield presence required to win big games against really good teams. The likes of two-way, workhorse, super-skilled middies like McFadden, Schwarzmann, Glaros, Cummings, McPartland, Stukenburg, Giles and Evans are just not there. That long line of super midfielders seems to have been snapped, and that's a problem.
I am going to wait until I see them in Fall Ball
I will hold out until after the 2022 season finishes up to make my final judgement.
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@inthe8m wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:26 pm
DMac wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:38 pm Okay, now give us a more detailed/in depth answer.
How about just the low hanging fruit? Why would anyone be expecting great things out of a team that went 13-10 over the last 1+ seasons? You have to wonder about the 2020 recruiting class that only had one player contributing significantly - KH on D. And, it is not as if the Terps could not have used a lot more output from the 2020s in 2021 (especially on offense) and Reese has never been shy about playing FR. If the 2021 UA Senior Game is any indication, no one should expect much out of the 2021 class for Maryland. If Maryland is on the brink of being a powerhouse again with the existing talent, why do they need to bring in five transfers? How many supposed Top 25 girls did Maryland have transfer to other schools ... Rielly, Flaherty ...? Were the Top 25 girls that transferred out not developing at Maryland or were they overhyped because they committed to Maryland?
I've said on here before that the 2021 MD class is overrated and your last question applies to both the 2020 and 2021 class. When girls were committing to MD in 8th and 9th grade they were immediately ranked high and stayed there even if they didn't really develop much over 4 years of HS. Throw in the fact that due to Covid people didn't see a lot of kids play and there hasn't been a lot of adjustment in the rankings. That said, the 2 best athletes committed to MD didn't play in the UA game because they are injured. If Cathy thought the solutions were on the roster she wouldn't have brought in 5 transfers and had to perform whatever scholarship math magic she must have had to do to make it happen.
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@inthe8m wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:26 pm Why would anyone be expecting great things out of a team that went 13-10 over the last 1+ seasons? You have to wonder about the 2020 recruiting class that only had one player contributing significantly - KH on D. And, it is not as if the Terps could not have used a lot more output from the 2020s in 2021 (especially on offense) and Reese has never been shy about playing FR. If the 2021 UA Senior Game is any indication, no one should expect much out of the 2021 class for Maryland. If Maryland is on the brink of being a powerhouse again with the existing talent, why do they need to bring in five transfers? How many supposed Top 25 girls did Maryland have transferred to other schools ... Rielly, Flaherty ...? Were the Top 25 girls that transferred out not developing at Maryland or were they overhyped because they committed to Maryland?
Madison Sterling, Demma Hall and Jordyn Lipkin--midfielders all in the class of '21 and headed to College Park. Supposedly in the top 10 according to Inside Lacrosse. Are these in the group you were referring to?

Also this "Were the Top 25 girls that transferred out not developing at Maryland...?" What's your opinion? If so--why not?

Welcome to FanLax by the way. I've enjoyed reading your opinions. Always great to have a new "voice" come on the scene.

Oh--and what does FOGO stand for? I saw you used it in another post.
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hmmm wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:39 pm
@inthe8m wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:26 pm
DMac wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:38 pm Okay, now give us a more detailed/in depth answer.
How about just the low hanging fruit? Why would anyone be expecting great things out of a team that went 13-10 over the last 1+ seasons? You have to wonder about the 2020 recruiting class that only had one player contributing significantly - KH on D. And, it is not as if the Terps could not have used a lot more output from the 2020s in 2021 (especially on offense) and Reese has never been shy about playing FR. If the 2021 UA Senior Game is any indication, no one should expect much out of the 2021 class for Maryland. If Maryland is on the brink of being a powerhouse again with the existing talent, why do they need to bring in five transfers? How many supposed Top 25 girls did Maryland have transfer to other schools ... Rielly, Flaherty ...? Were the Top 25 girls that transferred out not developing at Maryland or were they overhyped because they committed to Maryland?
I've said on here before that the 2021 MD class is overrated and your last question applies to both the 2020 and 2021 class. When girls were committing to MD in 8th and 9th grade they were immediately ranked high and stayed there even if they didn't really develop much over 4 years of HS. Throw in the fact that due to Covid people didn't see a lot of kids play and there hasn't been a lot of adjustment in the rankings. That said, the 2 best athletes committed to MD didn't play in the UA game because they are injured. If Cathy thought the solutions were on the roster she wouldn't have brought in 5 transfers and had to perform whatever scholarship math magic she must have had to do to make it happen.
Really good insight - some kids top out early in HS while others continue to develop in college...and once you are "on the top 20/50 list" you don't drop off. I would also question the IL rating PSU's class in 2020 as #1.

I shake my head at some of the ratings of kids coming out of our area sometimes and know that the people who rate some of these kids have never seen them play.
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OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:28 am
@inthe8m wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:26 pm Why would anyone be expecting great things out of a team that went 13-10 over the last 1+ seasons? You have to wonder about the 2020 recruiting class that only had one player contributing significantly - KH on D. And, it is not as if the Terps could not have used a lot more output from the 2020s in 2021 (especially on offense) and Reese has never been shy about playing FR. If the 2021 UA Senior Game is any indication, no one should expect much out of the 2021 class for Maryland. If Maryland is on the brink of being a powerhouse again with the existing talent, why do they need to bring in five transfers? How many supposed Top 25 girls did Maryland have transferred to other schools ... Rielly, Flaherty ...? Were the Top 25 girls that transferred out not developing at Maryland or were they overhyped because they committed to Maryland?
Madison Sterling, Demma Hall and Jordyn Lipkin--midfielders all in the class of '21 and headed to College Park. Supposedly in the top 10 according to Inside Lacrosse. Are these in the group you were referring to?

Also this "Were the Top 25 girls that transferred out not developing at Maryland...?" What's your opinion? If so--why not?

Welcome to FanLax by the way. I've enjoyed reading your opinions. Always great to have a new "voice" come on the scene.

Oh--and what does FOGO stand for? I saw you used it in another post.
10,000+ posts and you don't know what FOGO is?
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8meterPA wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:41 am 10,000+ posts and you don't know what FOGO is?
Evidently.
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OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:46 am
8meterPA wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:41 am 10,000+ posts and you don't know what FOGO is?
Evidently.
Face-Off, Get Off. Specialist in men's lacrosse in particular.
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seacoaster wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:50 am
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:46 am
8meterPA wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:41 am 10,000+ posts and you don't know what FOGO is?
Evidently.
Face-Off, Get Off. Specialist in men's lacrosse in particular.
Thanks, sea. So that would be like Widner on Syracuse.
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OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:58 am
seacoaster wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:50 am
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:46 am
8meterPA wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:41 am 10,000+ posts and you don't know what FOGO is?
Evidently.
Face-Off, Get Off. Specialist in men's lacrosse in particular.
Thanks, sea. So that would be like Widner on Syracuse.
Right. In the men's game, this is almost always a highly specialized and enormously coveted position. In the women's game, at this point not so much specialization in the sense that the kid "gets off" immediately. Widner is a good example, and Mashewske (No. 8) at Syracuse too. I think most draw-takers still remain on the field in women's lacrosse (Mastroianni, Ahearn, North/Apuzzo, Aldave, even Dwyer).
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seacoaster wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:16 am even Dwyer
I think the first one or two years she acted as a FOGO, IIRC.
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Dr. Tact wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:20 am
seacoaster wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:16 am even Dwyer
I think the first one or two years she acted as a FOGO, IIRC.
That's correct.
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seacoaster wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:16 am
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:58 am
seacoaster wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:50 am
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:46 am
8meterPA wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:41 am 10,000+ posts and you don't know what FOGO is?
Evidently.
Face-Off, Get Off. Specialist in men's lacrosse in particular.
Thanks, sea. So that would be like Widner on Syracuse.
Right. In the men's game, this is almost always a highly specialized and enormously coveted position. In the women's game, at this point not so much specialization in the sense that the kid "gets off" immediately. Widner is a good example, and Mashewske (No. 8) at Syracuse too. I think most draw-takers still remain on the field in women's lacrosse (Mastroianni, Ahearn, North/Apuzzo, Aldave, even Dwyer).
Learned something new today. I knew what a draw specialist was, just never saw the acronym before. Thanks again.
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Dr. Tact wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:20 am
seacoaster wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:16 am even Dwyer
I think the first one or two years she acted as a FOGO, IIRC.
Yeah, I think that's right. I just noticed over the past season that she stayed on a bit more.
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Anyone see Mashewske play pre Syracuse days? I ask because I like what I see in her, she's a very good ground ball girl who is good at maintaining control of the ball once she gets it, sees the field and knows what's going on around her, and is able to dish nicely to an open teammate. Could she be more than a draw specialist at this level (probably stayed on the field as a middie in HS)?
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