January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

[Farfromgeneva]

Huh. PB is gone and someone comes back from a long slumber. Just an observation.

Uh-oh....this ought to get interesting. Since this is the FBI bringing forth this info, I suppose the TDS'ers can now crap on the FBI since it fits their narrative.

Ever had occasion to see your FBI dossier? You might be surprised.

Oh I already know I’m f**ked. Just leaning into it at this point in life.

[youthathletics]

Huh. PB is gone and someone comes back from a long slumber. Just an observation.

Uh-oh....this ought to get interesting. Since this is the FBI bringing forth this info, I suppose the TDS'ers can now crap on the FBI since it fits their narrative.

Ever had occasion to see your FBI dossier? You might be surprised.

Oh I already know I’m f**ked. Just leaning into it at this point in life.

[6ftstick]

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[PizzaSnake]

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Thanks for spelling us, we were getting a little tired.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Oh look its the laxpower woke mob taking a break from trolling

Isn’t that the Capitol? I saw a guy’s feet up on the desk!

[Typical Lax Dad]

A striking resemblance!



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[kramerica.inc]

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclus ... 021-08-20/

[RedFromMI]

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclus ... 021-08-20/

There was some obvious coordination within some small groups like the Proud Boys or the 3 percenters, but for the most part a mob motivated by the president and a few followers whipping up the crowds

[Farfromgeneva]

Huh. PB is gone and someone comes back from a long slumber. Just an observation.

Uh-oh....this ought to get interesting. Since this is the FBI bringing forth this info, I suppose the TDS'ers can now crap on the FBI since it fits their narrative.

Ever had occasion to see your FBI dossier? You might be surprised.

Oh I already know I’m f**ked. Just leaning into it at this point in life.

BTW, you know I have owned a FBI = Female Body Inspector T-shirt I haven’t been able to bust out since # but one day am going to test the waters with again.

[Farfromgeneva]

Oh look its the laxpower woke mob taking a break from trolling

Isn’t that the Capitol? I saw a guy’s feet up on the desk!

Annnnd the taliban guys are far better groomed than our degenerate citizens.

[MDlaxfan76]

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclus ... 021-08-20/

There was some obvious coordination within some small groups like the Proud Boys or the 3 percenters, but for the most part a mob motivated by the president and a few followers whipping up the crowds

From that article, it appears that the focus of those remarks (and the prosecutions) is on how much the activities of the mob participants themselves were directly coordinated, and not on the strategy behind the efforts to motivate the mob to attack the Capitol and the intent of that attack. They mention Stone and Alex Jones, presumably because of their connections with groups like the Proud Boys, but I don't think they were likely more than mere players in the overall effort.

Looking at the motivations of the crowd, it's very clear that some, but certainly not all, of the mob, but especially many among the forward phalanxes actually thought they were there to reverse the results of the election, at a minimum to stop the proceedings on the promise of some bombshell legal ruling actually overturning the result. At a minimum, that's seditious intent.

Who gave them that belief, that hope?

And was that intentional, with the expectation that the chaos would provide an opening for an actual over turn of the election?

I don't think it was as much a matter of direct coordination of the mob's activities than simply the desire for the chaos, the excuse to have an intervention, "legally supported" or at least arguably so, enabling the state legislatures to actually overturn the known, certified results of the election.

We now know that such an effort on the 'legal' side was very much afoot, and we know some, though not all, of the players in that effort. There's likely much more to learn there. But that doesn't appear to be what these 'sources' are focused on, nor the FBI if the sources accurately reflect the overall effort to date...it appears to be much more focused on the mob insurrectionists and their specific coordination or lack thereof.

We may learn, and I think this is actually likely, that in the last few days leading up to Jan 6, there was a growing realization that the 'legal' effort to get the legislatures involved was going to fall short and that the notion of declaring martial law in the face of chaos wasn't going to play out as hoped, and Pence was going to do his duty, and... and thus, the incitement to riot was more of a last, angry blast at the system that had actually worked than an actual, coordinated attack with real hope for success. (Though, had they actually reached the Reps and Senators, and they were darn close, who knows what sort of chaos might have actually been created...). The overall effort was sedition. But it fell short due to actual patriots from both parties.

So, the seditious effort then morphed into a much more organized and coordinated game plan to change the rules at the state level, wherever they could, such that in any "next time" the various "patriots" would not be in the positions that had held firm and the probabilities of regaining control would be optimized.

[youthathletics]

Huh. PB is gone and someone comes back from a long slumber. Just an observation.

Uh-oh....this ought to get interesting. Since this is the FBI bringing forth this info, I suppose the TDS'ers can now crap on the FBI since it fits their narrative.

Ever had occasion to see your FBI dossier? You might be surprised.

Oh I already know I’m f**ked. Just leaning into it at this point in life.

BTW, you know I have owned a FBI = Female Body Inspector T-shirt I haven’t been able to bust out since # but one day am going to test the waters with again.

I don't think that is advisable if you are married.....I say put it on after the science party this evening and have some fun with wifey.

[MDlaxfan76]

Huh. PB is gone and someone comes back from a long slumber. Just an observation.

Uh-oh....this ought to get interesting. Since this is the FBI bringing forth this info, I suppose the TDS'ers can now crap on the FBI since it fits their narrative.

Ever had occasion to see your FBI dossier? You might be surprised.

Oh I already know I’m f**ked. Just leaning into it at this point in life.

BTW, you know I have owned a FBI = Female Body Inspector T-shirt I haven’t been able to bust out since # but one day am going to test the waters with again.

GLWT: Good luck with that.

[Farfromgeneva]

It’s a great shirt I don’t give a flying f what Patty Ireland and her friends have to say on the topic!

[Farfromgeneva]

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclus ... 021-08-20/

There was some obvious coordination within some small groups like the Proud Boys or the 3 percenters, but for the most part a mob motivated by the president and a few followers whipping up the crowds

From that article, it appears that the focus of those remarks (and the prosecutions) is on how much the activities of the mob participants themselves were directly coordinated, and not on the strategy behind the efforts to motivate the mob to attack the Capitol and the intent of that attack. They mention Stone and Alex Jones, presumably because of their connections with groups like the Proud Boys, but I don't think they were likely more than mere players in the overall effort.

Looking at the motivations of the crowd, it's very clear that some, but certainly not all, of the mob, but especially many among the forward phalanxes actually thought they were there to reverse the results of the election, at a minimum to stop the proceedings on the promise of some bombshell legal ruling actually overturning the result. At a minimum, that's seditious intent.

Who gave them that belief, that hope?

And was that intentional, with the expectation that the chaos would provide an opening for an actual over turn of the election?

I don't think it was as much a matter of direct coordination of the mob's activities than simply the desire for the chaos, the excuse to have an intervention, "legally supported" or at least arguably so, enabling the state legislatures to actually overturn the known, certified results of the election.

We now know that such an effort on the 'legal' side was very much afoot, and we know some, though not all, of the players in that effort. There's likely much more to learn there. But that doesn't appear to be what these 'sources' are focused on, nor the FBI if the sources accurately reflect the overall effort to date...it appears to be much more focused on the mob insurrectionists and their specific coordination or lack thereof.

We may learn, and I think this is actually likely, that in the last few days leading up to Jan 6, there was a growing realization that the 'legal' effort to get the legislatures involved was going to fall short and that the notion of declaring martial law in the face of chaos wasn't going to play out as hoped, and Pence was going to do his duty, and... and thus, the incitement to riot was more of a last, angry blast at the system that had actually worked than an actual, coordinated attack with real hope for success. (Though, had they actually reached the Reps and Senators, and they were darn close, who knows what sort of chaos might have actually been created...). The overall effort was sedition. But it fell short due to actual patriots from both parties.

So, the seditious effort then morphed into a much more organized and coordinated game plan to change the rules at the state level, wherever they could, such that in any "next time" the various "patriots" would not be in the positions that had held firm and the probabilities of regaining control would be optimized.

Somebody has to try to distort reality and twist definitions and frameworks of discussion while hoping others don’t notice now that PB is getting his pancake finished at cook co jail.

[Farfromgeneva]

Huh. PB is gone and someone comes back from a long slumber. Just an observation.

Uh-oh....this ought to get interesting. Since this is the FBI bringing forth this info, I suppose the TDS'ers can now crap on the FBI since it fits their narrative.

Ever had occasion to see your FBI dossier? You might be surprised.

Oh I already know I’m f**ked. Just leaning into it at this point in life.

BTW, you know I have owned a FBI = Female Body Inspector T-shirt I haven’t been able to bust out since # but one day am going to test the waters with again.

I don't think that is advisable if you are married.....I say put it on after the science party this evening and have some fun with wifey.

That is a good one. Now I just need to get a badge and handcuffs.

[Brooklyn]

Oh look its the laxpower woke mob taking a break from trolling

Isn’t that the Capitol? I saw a guy’s feet up on the desk!

https://image.politicalcartoons.com/254 ... apital.png



Biggest difference being that the insurrection on 1/6 was committed by unpatriotic terrorists who were hellbent on destroying a system favored by the majority which makes their actions treason. By contrast, the Taliban restored a system favored by the majority in their country which makes that an act of patriotism..

[Typical Lax Dad]

Oh look its the laxpower woke mob taking a break from trolling

Isn’t that the Capitol? I saw a guy’s feet up on the desk!

Annnnd the taliban guys are far better groomed than our degenerate citizens.

They were just tourist.

[MDlaxfan76]

Oh look its the laxpower woke mob taking a break from trolling

Isn’t that the Capitol? I saw a guy’s feet up on the desk!

https://image.politicalcartoons.com/254 ... apital.png



Biggest difference being that the insurrection on 1/6 was committed by unpatriotic terrorists who were hellbent on destroying a system favored by the majority which makes their actions treason. By contrast, the Taliban restored a system favored by the majority in their country which makes that an act of patriotism..

I'm not sure why you persist in telling us that a "majority" of Afghans support the Taliban's takeover (as opposed to the exit of foreigners), when it's pretty clear that simply isn't true. They are the best organized, most committed, military faction in Afghanistan; if they manage to maintain an iron grip on control (the Northern Alliance is already reforming) it will most likely be by brutal force, not any sort of democratic expression of the majority with basic rights for the minorities to ensure civic, non-violent acceptance.

I mean, seriously, that's like saying, if Jan 6 had been successful, because the US military and Cap police had lain down that Trumpism was actually favored by a majority (indeed that would actually be closer to the truth).

That said, the hope is that the Taliban will decide to institute reforms to how they govern versus how they did previously...time will tell.

[Farfromgeneva]

Agreed. It is a bit over the top.

Different than acknowledging that they’ve earned the authority that they abdicated to the taliban by their behavior.

We wouldn’t even be discussing the circumstances around the change recently if people believed they were happy and pro actively in favor of this situation over there.