bar_down wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:01 pm
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BigTom5 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:08 am
Or one of Lars’ assistants
Yeah I could see Kirwan putting his hat in the ring for this one, like he has for several other recent openings.
The timing stinks—I’m not sure what kind of candidate they’re going to be able to land at this point. They’re better off naming Manny the interim for the upcoming season and doing the real search next spring/summer though based on that press release it doesn’t sound like that’s in the cards.
Suppose guys like Sowell and Meade are floating around out there. Sowell probably could be a great fit just I’ll put w wear coast athletes and crush western Canada for recruits. He could conceivably take down a well established now Denver program run by Matt Brown if he chose and had some breaks. I think a ball roll out recruit like hell guy is the right candidate. Sowell, Kerwick, Desko, etc. not a top down command and control type coach. Sell skiing and Mormon hotties. The Jazz have the reigning NBA mvp. I like Snowbasin Ogden and Salt Lake a lot personally. There’s also a decent little tech sector in the Provo area I believe it was Macafee and some first generation businesses but more contemporary ones there too.
In fact I have deep inside knowledge of Furman ans would expect Utah to have more success than Furman all day and night based on culture and other considerations.
Sowell is a complete non factor in recruiting. During his time at USNA Wellner did 100% the recruiting for the Midshipmen. On my sons visit Sowell said hello, and that's it, the rest of the time he spent with Wellner. I know four kids currently on their roster and all the parents had the same experience, so I know but wasn't unique to my sons recruitment. One would think that Utah would want a coach that enjoys that aspect of running a program.
His SBU success flies contrary to your narrative; and, he obviously trusted Wellner enough to let him do the heavy lifting--it's called delegating. Don't think for a second that Sowell wasn't involved in every recruiting decision..
It isn't a narrative, It's a lived experience. Only one of the two of us has first hand experience with him and recruiting and it ain't you. Of all the schools my son visited he spent at least an hour with each head coach, in three cases the entire time was spent with the head coach except for at the USNA. There Sewell said hello and the rest of the time was spent with Wellner, who is a great guy.
Obviously he watched film and decided who they should recruit but he had nothing to do with the actual recruiting of the player. You can point to his success at Stoney Brook but it speaks volumes that Wellner traded up within weeks of hitting the street and no one has hired Sowell.
I not bashing him as a person as I didn't speak enough with him to form an opinion, but I strongly suspect that the Utah AD isn't going to hire a hands off recruiting head coach right on the heels of a head coach who didn't enjoy recruiting and largely delegated that responsibility to Manny and Ghitleman. Again that isn't narrative. I spent an afternoon with him while he was still at UNC and he told me personally he detested wooing 16 year olds.
The funny thing is that are people that read these boards that have inside knowledge of the coaches and teams you watch every weekend but don't post because of guys like you. Congrats.
bar down, no need to be quite this testy. You simply have a different point of view, different conclusions.
You had said, "
Sowell is a complete non factor in recruiting. During his time at USNA Wellner did 100% the recruiting for the Midshipmen."
That's an awfully strong statement, and it indeed is belied by his success at Stony Brook and Dartmouth. Sowell certainly was a significant part of the recruiting process at those schools, regardless of which coach was delegated to as the recruiting coordinator.
That said, your son's experience is consistent, if I recall correctly, with what others said about Wellner being the primary point of contact for recruits at USNA. Certainly worth sharing.
You're also implying something in Sowell's thinking based on what you heard from a different coach about his thinking. BTW, I'm not sure any of these HC's like wooing 16 year olds, much less the 14 year olds they were having to talk to back a few years ago.
Keep posting your views, please, but no need to get your back up IMO.
BTW, I had a bit of exposure to Rick when he was at Dartmouth...personally I found him quite prickly, uninterested in meeting an alum of the program, even a quite active one on the Friends board. That surprised me at the time. On the other hand, he was terrifically successful at bringing serious talent into the program and marshaling that talent in short order in elevating the program during his tenure. Multiple All-Americans, the first time such since my era.
