All things CoronaVirus

[PizzaSnake]

as ggait would say.....damned knuckledraggers and mouth breathers not getting vaxxed, especially Flo-Rida:

YA -- The numbers could not be more clear. Like a lot of things these days, the problem is primarily conservative white guys. Aka Bubbas, Crackers, Trumpers, Knuckle-draggers, Mouth-breathers. Let me break the numbers down for ya.

Blacks are 12% of the total U.S. population. That's 39.6M. 36% vaxed. So 64% not vaxed, which is 25.3M. Clearly there's a problem with AAs and the vaccine. But they are not driving the current shirt storm.

Whites are 60% of the total U.S. population. That's 198M. 48% of whites are vaxxed. So 52% not vaxed, which is 103M. So unvaxxed whites are 4X the number of unvaxxed blacks. But nice try, YA, on trying to blame this all on the black folks.

Among whites, WAY more Dems are getting vaxxed than Reps. Among whites, WAY more women than men are getting vaxxed.

So we'd really be in a lot better shape if we could just figure out how to get the Bubba Maga Mouthbreathers to take their shots. Since they are the single biggest demo of unvaxxed.

Free Nascar tickets? AR-15 ammo? Breakfast at Cracker Barrel? What, YA, do you think would have the biggest impact?

Crack 'em upside the head with the barrel of their own weapon?

[jhu72]

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Vox Article based on KFF report and data.

[NattyBohChamps04]

sounds like it's bout time for you to take your own advice?

Nah, I put up with the BS give and take for decades man. The past year and a half have really accelerated my intolerance for moronic ideas, no matter how silver-tongued.

Although you're killing your own side in larger numbers, I'm mad that you're killing innocent people as well with your posits.

[youthathletics]

as ggait would say.....damned knuckledraggers and mouth breathers not getting vaxxed, especially Flo-Rida:

YA -- The numbers could not be more clear. Like a lot of things these days, the problem is primarily conservative white guys. Aka Bubbas, Crackers, Trumpers, Knuckle-draggers, Mouth-breathers. Let me break the numbers down for ya.

Blacks are 12% of the total U.S. population. That's 39.6M. 36% vaxed. So 64% not vaxed, which is 25.3M. Clearly there's a problem with AAs and the vaccine. But they are not driving the current shirt storm.

Whites are 60% of the total U.S. population. That's 198M. 48% of whites are vaxxed. So 52% not vaxed, which is 103M. So unvaxxed whites are 4X the number of unvaxxed blacks. But nice try, YA, on trying to blame this all on the black folks.

Among whites, WAY more Dems are getting vaxxed than Reps. Among whites, WAY more women than men are getting vaxxed.

So we'd really be in a lot better shape if we could just figure out how to get the Bubba Maga Mouthbreathers to take their shots. Since they are the single biggest demo of unvaxxed.

Free Nascar tickets? AR-15 ammo? Breakfast at Cracker Barrel? What, YA, do you think would have the biggest impact?

You are missing the point, b/c you are so entrenched in the us vs them mentality, and sadly your identity name calling. As you just typed....

198M whites = 52% not vaxed
39.6M bkacks = 64% not vaxed

Based on your numbers, the question is why are blacks (aka ggait identified knuckleedraggers, mouth breathers, etc) refusing the shot at a higher percentage than whites?

[youthathletics]

scatter plot.jpeg

Vox Article based on KFF report and data.

In case you missed it, we discussed this a couple weeks ago....viewtopic.php?f=66&t=1687&p=278994&hili ... ba#p278994

[Typical Lax Dad]

as ggait would say.....damned knuckledraggers and mouth breathers not getting vaxxed, especially Flo-Rida:

YA -- The numbers could not be more clear. Like a lot of things these days, the problem is primarily conservative white guys. Aka Bubbas, Crackers, Trumpers, Knuckle-draggers, Mouth-breathers. Let me break the numbers down for ya.

Blacks are 12% of the total U.S. population. That's 39.6M. 36% vaxed. So 64% not vaxed, which is 25.3M. Clearly there's a problem with AAs and the vaccine. But they are not driving the current shirt storm.

Whites are 60% of the total U.S. population. That's 198M. 48% of whites are vaxxed. So 52% not vaxed, which is 103M. So unvaxxed whites are 4X the number of unvaxxed blacks. But nice try, YA, on trying to blame this all on the black folks.

Among whites, WAY more Dems are getting vaxxed than Reps. Among whites, WAY more women than men are getting vaxxed.

So we'd really be in a lot better shape if we could just figure out how to get the Bubba Maga Mouthbreathers to take their shots. Since they are the single biggest demo of unvaxxed.

Free Nascar tickets? AR-15 ammo? Breakfast at Cracker Barrel? What, YA, do you think would have the biggest impact?

You are missing the point, b/c you are so entrenched in the us vs them mentality, and sadly your identity name calling. As you just typed....

198M whites = 52% not vaxed
39.6M bkacks = 64% not vaxed

Based on your numbers, the question is why are blacks (aka ggait identified knuckleedraggers, mouth breathers, etc) refusing the shot at a higher percentage than whites?

Maybe they don’t have ID to be vaccinated…

[wgdsr]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/dr-scot ... idappshare

million a day sounds high. could be, though.

[kramerica.inc]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/dr-scot ... idappshare

million a day sounds high. could be, though.

Take it all with a grain of salt.

Gottlieb now serves on the board of Covid vaccine maker Pfizer.

[kramerica.inc]

as ggait would say.....damned knuckledraggers and mouth breathers not getting vaxxed, especially Flo-Rida:

YA -- The numbers could not be more clear. Like a lot of things these days, the problem is primarily conservative white guys. Aka Bubbas, Crackers, Trumpers, Knuckle-draggers, Mouth-breathers. Let me break the numbers down for ya.

Blacks are 12% of the total U.S. population. That's 39.6M. 36% vaxed. So 64% not vaxed, which is 25.3M. Clearly there's a problem with AAs and the vaccine. But they are not driving the current shirt storm.

Whites are 60% of the total U.S. population. That's 198M. 48% of whites are vaxxed. So 52% not vaxed, which is 103M. So unvaxxed whites are 4X the number of unvaxxed blacks. But nice try, YA, on trying to blame this all on the black folks.

Among whites, WAY more Dems are getting vaxxed than Reps. Among whites, WAY more women than men are getting vaxxed.

So we'd really be in a lot better shape if we could just figure out how to get the Bubba Maga Mouthbreathers to take their shots. Since they are the single biggest demo of unvaxxed.

Free Nascar tickets? AR-15 ammo? Breakfast at Cracker Barrel? What, YA, do you think would have the biggest impact?

You are missing the point, b/c you are so entrenched in the us vs them mentality, and sadly your identity name calling. As you just typed....

198M whites = 52% not vaxed
39.6M bkacks = 64% not vaxed

Based on your numbers, the question is why are blacks (aka ggait identified knuckleedraggers, mouth breathers, etc) refusing the shot at a higher percentage than whites?

Seems like a LOT of people on BOTH sides refusing to Vax. White, black, whatever.

I'd say it ALL has to do with a general distrust of the government.

[ggait]

Based on your numbers, the question is why are blacks (aka ggait identified knuckleedraggers, mouth breathers, etc) refusing the shot at a higher percentage than whites?

Most (but not all) of the gap is likely explained by age. But there are certainly some other things going on in the AA community.

The age demos for POCs in the U.S. are much younger than for whites. Most common age for white in America is 58. Black 27. Latino 11.

The weaker demos for the vax are young, male, Republican, lower educated, rural, POC.

Whites are still the largest demo in the country at 60% of the country. Then cross-tab the white population for education, party ID, urban/rural. Add it all up, and the result is clear.

The big cross-tabbed demo in the unvaxxed population are the Bubbas --white, rural, Republican, lower education, dudes. And that demo is the most entrenched against ever getting the shot.

And young people generally.

[Typical Lax Dad]

as ggait would say.....damned knuckledraggers and mouth breathers not getting vaxxed, especially Flo-Rida:

YA -- The numbers could not be more clear. Like a lot of things these days, the problem is primarily conservative white guys. Aka Bubbas, Crackers, Trumpers, Knuckle-draggers, Mouth-breathers. Let me break the numbers down for ya.

Blacks are 12% of the total U.S. population. That's 39.6M. 36% vaxed. So 64% not vaxed, which is 25.3M. Clearly there's a problem with AAs and the vaccine. But they are not driving the current shirt storm.

Whites are 60% of the total U.S. population. That's 198M. 48% of whites are vaxxed. So 52% not vaxed, which is 103M. So unvaxxed whites are 4X the number of unvaxxed blacks. But nice try, YA, on trying to blame this all on the black folks.

Among whites, WAY more Dems are getting vaxxed than Reps. Among whites, WAY more women than men are getting vaxxed.

So we'd really be in a lot better shape if we could just figure out how to get the Bubba Maga Mouthbreathers to take their shots. Since they are the single biggest demo of unvaxxed.

Free Nascar tickets? AR-15 ammo? Breakfast at Cracker Barrel? What, YA, do you think would have the biggest impact?

You are missing the point, b/c you are so entrenched in the us vs them mentality, and sadly your identity name calling. As you just typed....

198M whites = 52% not vaxed
39.6M bkacks = 64% not vaxed

Based on your numbers, the question is why are blacks (aka ggait identified knuckleedraggers, mouth breathers, etc) refusing the shot at a higher percentage than whites?

Seems like a LOT of people on BOTH sides refusing to Vax. White, black, whatever.

I'd say it ALL has to do with a general distrust of the government.

They are all fine people.

[wgdsr]

imo, noting there is more to this than just trumpist ideology is a direct response to dozens (hundreds?) of posts of "pinning it all on" x.
there is little question the demographic is large(largest?) and bad on vaccine uptake. it also... doesn't explain anywhere near the gap. not close. that fact has me at least wondering what all the motivations are, and how they're addressed.

it should also be noted that any push on restrictions for the unvaxxed will have a disproportionate application to minority populations. might be a thing as those continue to be called on.

on a positive note, minorities (especially hispanic) have picked up the pace in the last month, at least in comparison.

[Carroll81]

Good morning. Covid is more mysterious than we often admit.
New York Times (not firewalled)

https://messaging-custom-newsletters.ny ... f232919d6d

Not in control

Consider these Covid-19 mysteries:

• In India — where the Delta variant was first identified and caused a huge outbreak — cases have plunged over the past two months. A similar drop may now be underway in Britain. There is no clear explanation for these declines.
• In the U.S., cases started falling rapidly in early January. The decline began before vaccination was widespread and did not follow any evident changes in Americans’ Covid attitudes.
• In March and April, the Alpha variant helped cause a sharp rise in cases in the upper Midwest and Canada. That outbreak seemed poised to spread to the rest of North America — but did not.
• This spring, caseloads were not consistently higher in parts of the U.S. that had relaxed masking and social distancing measures (like Florida and Texas) than in regions that remained vigilant.
• Large parts of Africa and Asia still have not experienced outbreaks as big as those in Europe, North America and South America.

How do we solve these mysteries? Michael Osterholm, who runs an infectious disease research center at the University of Minnesota, suggests that people keep in mind one overriding idea: humility.

“We’ve ascribed far too much human authority over the virus,” he told me.
‘Much, much milder’

Over the course of this pandemic, I have found one of my early assumptions especially hard to shake. It’s one that many other people seem to share — namely, that a virus always keeps spreading, eventually infecting almost the entire population, unless human beings take actions to stop it. And this idea does have crucial aspects of truth. Social distancing and especially vaccination can save lives.

But much of the ebb and flow of a pandemic cannot be explained by changes in human behavior. That was true with influenza a century ago, and it is true with Covid now. An outbreak often fizzles mysteriously, like a forest fire that fails to jump from one patch of trees to another.

The experience with Alpha in the Midwest this spring is telling:

Even Osterholm said that he had assumed the spring surge would spread from Michigan and his home state of Minnesota to the entire U.S. It did not. It barely spread to nearby Iowa and Ohio. Whatever the reasons, the pattern shows that the mental model many of us have — in which only human intervention can have a major effect on caseloads — is wrong.

Britain has become another example. The Delta variant is even more contagious than Alpha, and it seemed as though it might infect every unvaccinated British resident after it began spreading in May. Some experts predicted that the number of daily cases would hit 200,000, more than three times the country’s previous peak. Instead, cases peaked — for now — around 47,000, before falling below 30,000 this week.

“The current Delta wave in the U.K. is turning out to be much, much milder than we anticipated,” wrote David Mackie, J.P. Morgan’s chief European economist.

True, you can find plenty of supposed explanations, including the end of the European soccer tournament, the timing of school vacations and the Britain’s notoriously late-arriving summer weather, as Mark Landler, The Times’s London bureau chief, has noted. But none of the explanations seem nearly big enough to explain the decline, especially when you consider that India has also experienced a boom and bust in caseloads. India, of course, did not play in Europe’s soccer championship and is not known for cool June weather.
‘Rip through’

A more plausible explanation appears to be that Delta spreads very quickly at first and, for some unknown set of reasons, peters out long before a society has reached herd immunity. As Andy Slavitt, a former Covid adviser to President Biden, told me, “It seems to rip through really fast and infect the people it’s going to infect.” The most counterintuitive idea here is that an outbreak can fade even though many people remain vulnerable to Covid.

That’s not guaranteed to happen everywhere, and there probably will be more variants after Delta. Remember: Covid behaves in mysterious ways. But Americans should not assume that Delta is destined to cause months of rising caseloads. Nor should they assume that a sudden decline, if one starts this summer, fits a tidy narrative that attributes the turnaround to rising vaccination and mask wearing.

“These surges have little to do with what humans do,” Osterholm argues. “Only recently, with vaccines, have we begun to have a real impact.”
No need for nihilism

I don’t want anyone to think that Osterholm is making a nihilist argument. Human responses do make a difference: Masks and social distancing can slow the spread of the virus, and vaccination can end a pandemic.

The most important step has been the vaccination of many older people. As a result, total British deaths have risen only modestly this summer, while deaths and hospitalizations remain rarer in heavily vaccinated parts of the U.S. than in less vaccinated ones.

But Osterholm’s plea for humility does have policy implications. It argues for prioritizing vaccination over every other strategy. It also reminds us to avoid believing that we can always know which behaviors create risks.

That lesson has particular relevance to schools. Many of the Covid rules that school districts are enacting seem overly confident about what matters, Osterholm told me. Ventilation seems helpful, and masking children may be. Yet reopening schools unavoidably involves risk. The alternative — months more of lost learning and social isolation — almost certainly involves more risk and greater costs to children. Fortunately, school employees and teenagers can be vaccinated, and severe childhood Covid remains extremely rare.

We are certainly not powerless in the face of Covid. We can reduce its risks, just as we can reduce the risks from driving, biking, swimming and many other everyday activities. But we cannot eliminate them. “We’re not in nearly as much control as we think are,” Osterholm said.

[wgdsr]

there are so many things that have happened that don't beg for easy answers. india and uk are just 2 of them.

why the drops? cross reactive? do we (now) really have 1 million infections/day, not measured? is it getting to just those that are vulnerable to delta spreading somewhat in the body? just those that are reckless or unlucky? function of vaxxes and convalescent immunity?

human behavior (carefulness or fear) no doubt helps. daily vaxx #s are up 20+% after a mostly continued decline. maybe a careful/fear barometer.

[ggait]

human behavior (carefulness or fear) no doubt helps. daily vaxx #s are up 20+% after a mostly continued decline. maybe a careful/fear barometer.

Uptake on the shots will definitely be correlated to perception of risk. And, more generally to the perceived risk/reward proposition.

As cases and deaths declined from March thru June (due to vaxx uptake and seasonality), that lessens the incentive to get the shot among the remaining people. Less perceived risk and fewer hassles -- so why bother. Since the drops allowed the elimination of masks and other restrictions for everybody (even though the restrictions were supposed to stay in place for the unvaxxed).

The Delta surge raises perceived risk -- so more folks have now started to get the shots. TBD if the MAGAs would ever take the shot based on increased health risk. But almost everyone (even most MAGAs) would be motivated to get the shot if we implemented rules (like the NFL for example) that treated people differently based on their risk profile for the community. If you are vaxxed, you are basically good. If not vaxxed, then testing, masks, social distancing, work from home, no cruise ships, no indoor dining, etc. etc. etc.

A big problem has been that we have let the unvaxxed off the hook by not making those kind of distinctions. Why get the shot if no one has to wear a mask (shot or not)? Or if everyone has to wear a mask (shot or not)?

[Peter Brown]

human behavior (carefulness or fear) no doubt helps. daily vaxx #s are up 20+% after a mostly continued decline. maybe a careful/fear barometer.

Uptake on the shots will definitely be correlated to perception of risk. And, more generally to the perceived risk/reward proposition.

As cases and deaths declined from March thru June (due to vaxx uptake and seasonality), that lessens the incentive to get the shot among the remaining people. Less perceived risk and fewer hassles -- so why bother. Since the drops allowed the elimination of masks and other restrictions for everybody (even though the restrictions were supposed to stay in place for the unvaxxed).

The Delta surge raises perceived risk -- so more folks have now started to get the shots. TBD if the MAGAs would ever take the shot based on increased health risk. But almost everyone (even most MAGAs) would be motivated to get the shot if we implemented rules (like the NFL for example) that treated people differently based on their risk profile for the community. If you are vaxxed, you are basically good. If not vaxxed, then testing, masks, social distancing, work from home, no cruise ships, no indoor dining, etc. etc. etc.

A big problem has been that we have let the unvaxxed off the hook by not making those kind of distinctions. Why get the shot if no one has to wear a mask? Or if everyone has to wear a mask?

Interesting that our usual suspects here continue to ignore the elephant in the room as they train their gaze on that dreaded Republican Party: the demographic with the highest % of unvaccinated in America are poorer black women.

I could be wrong but I’ve never thought they were reliably Republican voters.

[kramerica.inc]

as ggait would say.....damned knuckledraggers and mouth breathers not getting vaxxed, especially Flo-Rida:

YA -- The numbers could not be more clear. Like a lot of things these days, the problem is primarily conservative white guys. Aka Bubbas, Crackers, Trumpers, Knuckle-draggers, Mouth-breathers. Let me break the numbers down for ya.

Blacks are 12% of the total U.S. population. That's 39.6M. 36% vaxed. So 64% not vaxed, which is 25.3M. Clearly there's a problem with AAs and the vaccine. But they are not driving the current shirt storm.

Whites are 60% of the total U.S. population. That's 198M. 48% of whites are vaxxed. So 52% not vaxed, which is 103M. So unvaxxed whites are 4X the number of unvaxxed blacks. But nice try, YA, on trying to blame this all on the black folks.

Among whites, WAY more Dems are getting vaxxed than Reps. Among whites, WAY more women than men are getting vaxxed.

So we'd really be in a lot better shape if we could just figure out how to get the Bubba Maga Mouthbreathers to take their shots. Since they are the single biggest demo of unvaxxed.

Free Nascar tickets? AR-15 ammo? Breakfast at Cracker Barrel? What, YA, do you think would have the biggest impact?

You are missing the point, b/c you are so entrenched in the us vs them mentality, and sadly your identity name calling. As you just typed....

198M whites = 52% not vaxed
39.6M bkacks = 64% not vaxed

Based on your numbers, the question is why are blacks (aka ggait identified knuckleedraggers, mouth breathers, etc) refusing the shot at a higher percentage than whites?

Seems like a LOT of people on BOTH sides refusing to Vax. White, black, whatever.

I'd say it ALL has to do with a general distrust of the government.

They are all fine people.

Indeed. When the gov has let you down and fed you BS since the founding fathers, I can understand why some are hesitant to believe anything they say.

[ggait]

I've found Gottlieb and Osterholm to be the two most reasonable and insightful experts throughout this whole thing. A good contrast to the Chicken Littles and also the Minimizers.

Both may be right that Delta is going to burn out (a la UK) in the next 4-8 weeks and so the sky is not likely to fall.

But both are in strong agreement about one thing. No matter what, just go ahead and get your forking shot!

[ggait]

Interesting that our usual suspects here continue to ignore the elephant in the room as they train their gaze on that dreaded Republican Party: the demographic with the highest % of unvaccinated in America are poorer black women.

Could you show us your data?

I'd love to see the numbers on a variety of demos. Would love to compare the number for poor black women to, say, white rural male no college Republicans. Would be interesting to see. Including the overall size of the demos (not just the percentage). Since in a pandemic, the overall number of the demo matters more than the percentage.

I suspect poor and uneducated is a big factor that cuts across partisan lines. But when you sort by partisanship, poor/uneducated Republicans will trend white. And poor/uneducated Dems will trend POC. Correlation and causation both at work.

[kramerica.inc]

as ggait would say.....damned knuckledraggers and mouth breathers not getting vaxxed, especially Flo-Rida:

YA -- The numbers could not be more clear. Like a lot of things these days, the problem is primarily conservative white guys. Aka Bubbas, Crackers, Trumpers, Knuckle-draggers, Mouth-breathers. Let me break the numbers down for ya.

Blacks are 12% of the total U.S. population. That's 39.6M. 36% vaxed. So 64% not vaxed, which is 25.3M. Clearly there's a problem with AAs and the vaccine. But they are not driving the current shirt storm.

Whites are 60% of the total U.S. population. That's 198M. 48% of whites are vaxxed. So 52% not vaxed, which is 103M. So unvaxxed whites are 4X the number of unvaxxed blacks. But nice try, YA, on trying to blame this all on the black folks.

Among whites, WAY more Dems are getting vaxxed than Reps. Among whites, WAY more women than men are getting vaxxed.

So we'd really be in a lot better shape if we could just figure out how to get the Bubba Maga Mouthbreathers to take their shots. Since they are the single biggest demo of unvaxxed.

Free Nascar tickets? AR-15 ammo? Breakfast at Cracker Barrel? What, YA, do you think would have the biggest impact?

You are missing the point, b/c you are so entrenched in the us vs them mentality, and sadly your identity name calling. As you just typed....

198M whites = 52% not vaxed
39.6M bkacks = 64% not vaxed

Based on your numbers, the question is why are blacks (aka ggait identified knuckleedraggers, mouth breathers, etc) refusing the shot at a higher percentage than whites?

Seems like a LOT of people on BOTH sides refusing to Vax. White, black, whatever.

I'd say it ALL has to do with a general distrust of the government.

They are all fine people.

Indeed. When the gov has let you down and fed you BS since the founding fathers, I can understand why some are hesitant to believe anything they say.

Liberal Feels Sad For Man Dying Of COVID, Then Happy After Hearing He Wasn’t Vaccinated, Then Sad Again Because He Was An Illegal Immigrant
July 28th, 2021





GRAND RAPIDS, MI—Local compassionate progressive Karter Brynlee is recovering from an emotional roller coaster today after initially feeling sad for someone dying of COVID, then feeling a perverse thrill after finding out the victim hadn't been responsible enough to get vaccinated, then sad again after realizing he was an illegal immigrant who had snuck across the border.

"Oh, how sad," said Brynlee to himself, quickly followed by "HA! IN YOUR FACE YOU STUPID ANTI-VAX BOOMER!", which was quickly followed by "Oh man... what a tragedy."

"I am very compassionate," Brynlee then said to himself.

According to sources, tens of thousands of unvaccinated undocumented immigrants are being released into the country. Experts say this is totally fine and nothing to worry about. According to Dr. Fauci, the problem should be solved if we make 2-year-olds wear masks.

"That seems like the compassionate thing to do," Brynlee added.

As Brynlee continued to read the news, his sadness turned to joy once again when he found out that the illegal immigrant was an anti-communist refugee from Cuba.

"Eh—I guess the dummy should have stayed in Cuba where they have the best healthcare," he said smugly. "Did I mention how compassionate I am?"

https://babylonbee.com/news/liberal-fee ... -immigrant