January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

[Peter Brown]

The feds are over-prosecuting these cases (as they normally always do); most of the January 6 protesters were imbeciles, simply following a mob; to demand prison for these jamokes tells you all you need to know about our two tired justice system.

When Republicans take back the Presidency, and when lunatic Democrats storm the capitol, it will be interesting to see if DOJ continues with its two systems of justice (tougher on Republicans, more lenient with Democrats), or if they exhibit a half hearted attempt to be consistent.

My bet is the former.

(I’m not sure most of you remember the threats to burn down cities by Democrats if Trump had won last November….).

[MDlaxfan76]

Ridiculous.

[NattyBohChamps04]

The feds are over-prosecuting these cases (as they normally always do); most of the January 6 protesters were imbeciles, simply following a mob; to demand prison for these jamokes tells you all you need to know about our two tired justice system.

When Republicans take back the Presidency, and when lunatic Democrats storm the capitol, it will be interesting to see if DOJ continues with its two systems of justice (tougher on Republicans, more lenient with Democrats), or if they exhibit a half hearted attempt to be consistent.

My bet is the former.

(I’m not sure most of you remember the threats to burn down cities by Democrats if Trump had won last November….).

Huh, no storming the capitol when Trump won in 2016. The fact that these idiots are getting the same amount of time for committing serious crimes vs some guy selling bongs tells you all you need to know about our two tiered justice system.

When Republicans lose again, they're gonna do worse than storm the capitol and try to hang the Republican Vice President.

Traitors.

[seacoaster]

Ridiculous.

Yeah, seriously. You gotta boycott Stupid.

[MDlaxfan76]

The feds are over-prosecuting these cases (as they normally always do); most of the January 6 protesters were imbeciles, simply following a mob; to demand prison for these jamokes tells you all you need to know about our two tired justice system.

When Republicans take back the Presidency, and when lunatic Democrats storm the capitol, it will be interesting to see if DOJ continues with its two systems of justice (tougher on Republicans, more lenient with Democrats), or if they exhibit a half hearted attempt to be consistent.

My bet is the former.

(I’m not sure most of you remember the threats to burn down cities by Democrats if Trump had won last November….).

Huh, no storming the capitol when Trump won in 2016. The fact that these idiots are getting the same amount of time for committing serious crimes vs some guy selling bongs tells you all you need to know about our two tiered justice system.

When Republicans lose again, they're gonna do worse than storm the capitol and try to hang the Republican Vice President.

Traitors.

Sedition is a 20 year criminal sentence...that no one has been charged with sedition (yet) is a travesty. Yes, two tiered system.

That said, I do think some of those who were there were merely nutcases and imbeciles, very delusional and fully 'in the cult' of Trump. But some were much worse than simply delusional.

and those actually egging them on are the worst of the traitors. Including Jim Jordan.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Ridiculous.

Yeah, seriously. You gotta boycott Stupid.

Ignoring Stupid lets it grow and fester and spread, like an infected wound. It grows and grows until a good chunk of Americans are brainwashed into thinking very dangerous and anti-American ideas, leading to storming the capitol or hundreds of thousands of needless deaths in a pandemic.

Stupid is in control of the Republican party. It must be addressed man.

[Peter Brown]

The feds are over-prosecuting these cases (as they normally always do); most of the January 6 protesters were imbeciles, simply following a mob; to demand prison for these jamokes tells you all you need to know about our two tired justice system.

When Republicans take back the Presidency, and when lunatic Democrats storm the capitol, it will be interesting to see if DOJ continues with its two systems of justice (tougher on Republicans, more lenient with Democrats), or if they exhibit a half hearted attempt to be consistent.

My bet is the former.

(I’m not sure most of you remember the threats to burn down cities by Democrats if Trump had won last November….).

Huh, no storming the capitol when Trump won in 2016. The fact that these idiots are getting the same amount of time for committing serious crimes vs some guy selling bongs tells you all you need to know about our two tiered justice system.

When Republicans lose again, they're gonna do worse than storm the capitol and try to hang the Republican Vice President.

Traitors.

Sedition is a 20 year criminal sentence...that no one has been charged with sedition (yet) is a travesty. Yes, two tiered system.

That said, I do think some of those who were there were merely nutcases and imbeciles, very delusional and fully 'in the cult' of Trump. But some were much worse than simply delusional.

and those actually egging them on are the worst of the traitors. Including Jim Jordan.

Maybe ‘sedition’ hasn’t been charged since no one is guilty of that?

Regardless, the judges in DC are swamp creatures incarnate, and happy to toss an unemployed non-violent participant, who simply followed a conga line of fellow patriots, into federal prison as if they’d murdered someone.

Meanwhile, Portland rioters (ie: Democrats) rarely get charged. Nor Ashli Babbitt’s shooter.

Interesting double standard.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Nor Ashli Babbitt’s shooter.

Interesting double standard.

Cops should be charged when defending themselves from mob violence?

Why didn't she simply comply with the cops? Why did she keep breaking the law?

Interesting and idiotic double standard you're asking for.

[Peter Brown]

Nor Ashli Babbitt’s shooter.

Interesting double standard.

Cops should be charged when defending themselves from mob violence?

Why didn't she simply comply with the cops? Why did she keep breaking the law?

Interesting and idiotic double standard you're asking for.

I thought police shouldn’t shoot (and murder) unarmed civilians? Especially when said unarmed civilian is stuck on a window frame, already surrounded by other police who aren’t doing anything other than staring at her?

[seacoaster]

Ridiculous.

Yeah, seriously. You gotta boycott Stupid.

Ignoring Stupid lets it grow and fester and spread, like an infected wound. It grows and grows until a good chunk of Americans are brainwashed into thinking very dangerous and anti-American ideas, leading to storming the capitol or hundreds of thousands of needless deaths in a pandemic.

Stupid is in control of the Republican party. It must be addressed man.

I confess there is something to what you say. But this particular Stupid seems like one to ignore, maybe to better focus on the Stupids who matter. This one says the same refrain over and over, and simply adopts the latest narrative from Stupid National (e.g., the Horst Wesseling of Babbit). JMO, and I completely understand yours Brother.

[NattyBohChamps04]

I thought police shouldn’t shoot (and murder) unarmed civilians? Especially when said unarmed civilian is stuck on a window frame, already surrounded by other police who aren’t doing anything other than staring at her?

Why didn't she simply comply with the cops? Why did she keep breaking the law? Why was she with a mob breaking down a door inside the capitol? Why was the mob chanting death to Mike Pence?

[MDlaxfan76]

Ridiculous.

Yeah, seriously. You gotta boycott Stupid.

Ignoring Stupid lets it grow and fester and spread, like an infected wound. It grows and grows until a good chunk of Americans are brainwashed into thinking very dangerous and anti-American ideas, leading to storming the capitol or hundreds of thousands of needless deaths in a pandemic.

Stupid is in control of the Republican party. It must be addressed man.

I confess there is something to what you say. But this particular Stupid seems like one to ignore, maybe to better focus on the Stupids who matter. This one says the same refrain over and over, and simply adopts the latest narrative from Stupid National (e.g., the Horst Wesseling of Babbit). JMO, and I completely understand yours Brother.

Probably correct.
Note, there's also new rule against trolling which had put him in the doghouse for a long spell...and things got much more civil in his absence, as predicted. Next violation, double the time. He's begun the same pattern again. "patriots" Very likely to increase the pace of pure hogwash/whitewash. He has quite the media feed from which to "share".

"Unsportsmanlike Conduct
SECTION 4. No post-er shall:
d. Troll and/or commit other Russian 'bot and/or other Putinesque behaviors. A troll is someone who uses over-the-top opinions or unverified claims to incite others, stir up controversy, and change a civilized discussion into a battleground."

[Brooklyn]

talking about double standards:



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[SCLaxAttack]

"Exclusive-'QAnon Shaman' in plea negotiations after mental health diagnosis -lawyer":

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-qa ... 53663.html

Not surprising. Anyone capable of listening to Trump, Trump, Jr., Brooks, Giuliani, Cruz, et. al. and following their lead isn't all there.

[Brooklyn]

treason glorified and white washed by the ultra right wing radical extremists:



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[Brooklyn]

https://i.imgur.com/Q2HzSpt.png



Which shows how irresponsible the Republicans are. They create havoc, then dismiss it as if it was nothing. Thereafter they agree it's a problem but one attributable to Democrats rather than to themselves. And where are the rank and file Republicans to condemn all this? Not a word of condemnation.

[Typical Lax Dad]

"Exclusive-'QAnon Shaman' in plea negotiations after mental health diagnosis -lawyer":

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-qa ... 53663.html

Not surprising. Anyone capable of listening to Trump, Trump, Jr., Brooks, Giuliani, Cruz, et. al. and following their lead isn't all there.

[seacoaster]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... s-educate/

"Rarely does a congressional hearing manage to avoid grandstanding, uncover new and compelling evidence and exceed expectations. The Jan. 6 select committee managed to do all three.

Indeed, the surprises kept coming on Tuesday. The sincere and spontaneous emotional reactions from Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) and law enforcement officers stood as a rebuke to the cynicism of Republicans who continue to lie about the insurrection. It also implicitly rebuked the media, which too often dabbles in bothsidesism, even to this day.

Kinzinger could barely get through his tribute to the officers’ bravery. “You guys won," he said tearfully. “You guys held. Democracies are not defined by our bad days. We are defined by how we come back from bad days.”

Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), who has pulled no punches concerning the insurrection, was even more emphatic in skewering her own party. “On Jan. 6 and in the days thereafter, almost all members of my party recognized the events of that day for what they actually were," she said. She added, “No member of Congress should now attempt to defend the indefensible, obstruct this investigation or attempt to whitewash what happened that day.” It’s no wonder she gives Republican toadies the shakes, especially when she warns that failure to hold all those involved responsible would allow the cancer on our democracy to go unchecked. As she put it: “We must know what happened here at the Capitol. We must also know what happened every minute of that day in the White House. Every phone call. Every conversation. Every meeting leading up to, during, and after the attack.”

The use of clear language — Rep. Jamie B. Raskin (D-Md.) spoke of “fascist traitors” while D.C. Police officer Daniel Hodges referred to “terrorists” — was a refreshing departure from mealy-mouth descriptions that obscure the violence and the ideology of the insurrectionists. It was critical to hear the granular description of that day, especially as it helps to expose the galling dishonesty and appalling bad faith of Republicans.

In particular, the thoughtfulness, constitutional sophistication and love of democracy that the four police officers displayed during their testimonies should serve as a model for the country:

Hodges explained “there is no moving on without accountability.”

Capitol Police officer Harry Dunn asked, “Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are being lauded as courageous heroes. And while I agree with that notion, why? Because they told the truth? Why is telling the truth hard?” He remarked that when a hit man goes to jail, so too should the person who hired him. That sentiment should resonate with the Justice Department as it considers investigating and indicting those who enabled the insurrection. Asked whether what he witnessed was America, he candidly replied, “I guess it is America. It shouldn’t be, but I guess that’s the way that things are."

D.C. Police officer Michael Fanone called the indifference shown to his colleagues by Republican members of Congress “disgraceful.”

Capitol Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell powerfully denounced those who claim to be pro-police and pro-rule of law but refuse to speak truthfully about Jan. 6.

The officers’ description of the racism and viciousness that insurrectionists directed toward police officers was a proper corrective following efforts to paint the crowd as peaceful. So, too, was Kinzinger’s moral clarity that debunked Republicans’ false equivalence between the violence on Jan. 6 and largely peaceful Black Lives Matter protests. “There’s a difference between crimes, even grave crimes and a coup," Kinzinger said.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s judgment in refusing to seat two Republicans bent on making a mockery of the committee proved wise. For several hours, serious questions engendered serious answers. In place of flat-out lies or attempts to blame the victims of the attack for not being prepared, the hearing provided a poignant, precise account of the events of Jan. 6. It clarified who was defending democracy and who was seeking to destroy it. Without the antics of unhinged MAGA Republicans on the committee, a coherent narrative emerged.

The media coverage of the GOP’s ongoing attempt to undermine democracy has too often devolved into false “balance” and an inaccurate portrayal of a movement that now accepts violence and disdains elections. Journalists would do well to watch the full hearing and emulate the clear language offered by committee members and the witnesses. They must do better if they are to keep Americans informed about the ongoing threat to democracy. The days of putting Jan. 6 apologists and deniers on mainstream news programming must end. The media must stop acting as a conduit for Republican disinformation.

Finally, if the Justice Department harbored any doubt that it should investigate whether there was any involvement in the attack by lawmakers or whether the former president’s incitement of the mob rose to the level of criminality, that vanished on Tuesday. The officers pleaded with the committee to find anyone who “collaborated” or spurred the attack. They are not willing to let bygones be bygones. None of us should. The Justice Department should follow the facts and indict anyone found to be criminally liable for the violent insurrection."

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics ... index.html

America’s finest.

[old salt]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics ... index.html

America’s finest.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html
Robertson and Fracker, two officers with Virginia's Rocky Mount Police Department, were charged with entering restricted grounds and violent entry or disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, according to federal court documents released January 13.
Robertson and Fracker -- off-duty at the time -- posed for a photo in front of a statue of a Revolutionary War general in the Capitol during the riot, with one making an obscene hand sign, according to the federal complaint.
The two appear to have been the first law enforcement officers charged with criminal violations related to the riots.
They shared the photo with colleagues, and Robertson later posted it online, court records say.
The photo was taken after the Capitol was in lockdown, court documents read.
Prosecutors also found a social media post from Robertson that says he was "f***ing PROUD" of the photo, according to the complaint.
The complaint says that Fracker, in his own social media post, acknowledged the photo of him inside the Capitol and wrote "sorry I hate freedom?"
Robertson told CNN affiliate WSET that Capitol Police officers gave them water and asked them to stay within roped areas.
"There was absolutely no indication that we were anything but welcome to check out certain places," Robertson told WSET. "We did not participate in any violence or property damage."
The complaint cites reports that Robertson claimed he had been escorted "in" by Capitol police and that he made social posts that he had "attacked the government."