Maryland 2022 National Champions

[NYterp09]

Long to follow Bernhardt path to football

Per Xanders twitter
Maryland's second team All-American midfielder Kyle Long has entered the NCAA's grad transfer portal for football, multiple sources told @Inside_Lacrosse. He'll play the next two seasons for @TerpsMLAX and look to play college football in the fall of 2023.

If you use all of your eligibility in one sport how many additional years can you play in other sports?

the rule everybody was using before covid was you have 5 years to play 4. of any sport. so you could do a year of football or whatever in the 5th year.

with covid, everyone was granted a do-over on participation for '20 spring (and '20 fall and '20-'21 winter). with these football extensions, it seems to apply at least to a 2nd sport as 5+ (5 1/2).
one year eligibility if you've been at it that long.

What about multiple sports in the same year?

that's fine. 5 to play 4. of any sport. am i not clarifying your question?
if you play 4 straight years of lax, you're done.
if you play football (or lacrosse, or both) you can play any of the next 4 of 5 years. you can mix and match. you have 5 calendar years to complete (4 for participation of any sport) once you enroll.

I’m pretty sure this is wrong. I don’t know the exact terms of the rule, but if you transfer to a different school for grad school you are allowed a fifth year of eligibility to play a different sport. That’s what Bernhardt and Dax were doing with football before covid happened. Both of those players would have played four full years of lax and then a fifth of football. And if you’re a college bball fan then you’ll remember Greg Paulus playing four years at Duke and then playing a year of football at Syracuse. I assume that with the extra year of COVID players who take advantage of this can get six years out of it.

[wgdsr]

Long to follow Bernhardt path to football

Per Xanders twitter
Maryland's second team All-American midfielder Kyle Long has entered the NCAA's grad transfer portal for football, multiple sources told @Inside_Lacrosse. He'll play the next two seasons for @TerpsMLAX and look to play college football in the fall of 2023.

If you use all of your eligibility in one sport how many additional years can you play in other sports?

the rule everybody was using before covid was you have 5 years to play 4. of any sport. so you could do a year of football or whatever in the 5th year.

with covid, everyone was granted a do-over on participation for '20 spring (and '20 fall and '20-'21 winter). with these football extensions, it seems to apply at least to a 2nd sport as 5+ (5 1/2).
one year eligibility if you've been at it that long.

What about multiple sports in the same year?

that's fine. 5 to play 4. of any sport. am i not clarifying your question?
if you play 4 straight years of lax, you're done.
if you play football (or lacrosse, or both) you can play any of the next 4 of 5 years. you can mix and match. you have 5 calendar years to complete (4 for participation of any sport) once you enroll.

I’m pretty sure this is wrong. I don’t know the exact terms of the rule, but if you transfer to a different school for grad school you are allowed a fifth year of eligibility to play a different sport. That’s what Bernhardt and Dax were doing with football before covid happened. Both of those players would have played four full years of lax and then a fifth of football. And if you’re a college bball fan then you’ll remember Greg Paulus playing four years at Duke and then playing a year of football at Syracuse. I assume that with the extra year of COVID players who take advantage of this can get six years out of it.

what part is wrong?
normal times, you have:
5 calendar years from enrolling in class.
4 years of partcipation in a sport (as they define it).

once you run out of either, you're done for that sport. same rules apply to a 2nd (or 3rd) sport. so if you are still inside calendar year 5 and haven't used up 4 years in sport #2 or 3, you can play. you can also play multiple sports in a year, each sport individually is under the same 5/4 rule (pre-covid).

[NYterp09]

Long to follow Bernhardt path to football

Per Xanders twitter
Maryland's second team All-American midfielder Kyle Long has entered the NCAA's grad transfer portal for football, multiple sources told @Inside_Lacrosse. He'll play the next two seasons for @TerpsMLAX and look to play college football in the fall of 2023.

If you use all of your eligibility in one sport how many additional years can you play in other sports?

the rule everybody was using before covid was you have 5 years to play 4. of any sport. so you could do a year of football or whatever in the 5th year.

with covid, everyone was granted a do-over on participation for '20 spring (and '20 fall and '20-'21 winter). with these football extensions, it seems to apply at least to a 2nd sport as 5+ (5 1/2).
one year eligibility if you've been at it that long.

What about multiple sports in the same year?

that's fine. 5 to play 4. of any sport. am i not clarifying your question?
if you play 4 straight years of lax, you're done.
if you play football (or lacrosse, or both) you can play any of the next 4 of 5 years. you can mix and match. you have 5 calendar years to complete (4 for participation of any sport) once you enroll.

I’m pretty sure this is wrong. I don’t know the exact terms of the rule, but if you transfer to a different school for grad school you are allowed a fifth year of eligibility to play a different sport. That’s what Bernhardt and Dax were doing with football before covid happened. Both of those players would have played four full years of lax and then a fifth of football. And if you’re a college bball fan then you’ll remember Greg Paulus playing four years at Duke and then playing a year of football at Syracuse. I assume that with the extra year of COVID players who take advantage of this can get six years out of it.

what part is wrong?
normal times, you have:
5 calendar years from enrolling in class.
4 years of partcipation in a sport (as they define it).

once you run out of either, you're done for that sport. same rules apply to a 2nd (or 3rd) sport. so if you are still inside calendar year 5 and haven't used up 4 years in sport #2 or 3, you can play. you can also play multiple sports in a year, each sport individually is under the same 5/4 rule (pre-covid).

I guess I misunderstood what you originally wrote, I thought you were implying that you only had four years total of any sport combined, not four years for any individual sport (for five years total).

[wgdsr]

Long to follow Bernhardt path to football

Per Xanders twitter
Maryland's second team All-American midfielder Kyle Long has entered the NCAA's grad transfer portal for football, multiple sources told @Inside_Lacrosse. He'll play the next two seasons for @TerpsMLAX and look to play college football in the fall of 2023.

If you use all of your eligibility in one sport how many additional years can you play in other sports?

the rule everybody was using before covid was you have 5 years to play 4. of any sport. so you could do a year of football or whatever in the 5th year.

with covid, everyone was granted a do-over on participation for '20 spring (and '20 fall and '20-'21 winter). with these football extensions, it seems to apply at least to a 2nd sport as 5+ (5 1/2).
one year eligibility if you've been at it that long.

What about multiple sports in the same year?

that's fine. 5 to play 4. of any sport. am i not clarifying your question?
if you play 4 straight years of lax, you're done.
if you play football (or lacrosse, or both) you can play any of the next 4 of 5 years. you can mix and match. you have 5 calendar years to complete (4 for participation of any sport) once you enroll.

I’m pretty sure this is wrong. I don’t know the exact terms of the rule, but if you transfer to a different school for grad school you are allowed a fifth year of eligibility to play a different sport. That’s what Bernhardt and Dax were doing with football before covid happened. Both of those players would have played four full years of lax and then a fifth of football. And if you’re a college bball fan then you’ll remember Greg Paulus playing four years at Duke and then playing a year of football at Syracuse. I assume that with the extra year of COVID players who take advantage of this can get six years out of it.

what part is wrong?
normal times, you have:
5 calendar years from enrolling in class.
4 years of partcipation in a sport (as they define it).

once you run out of either, you're done for that sport. same rules apply to a 2nd (or 3rd) sport. so if you are still inside calendar year 5 and haven't used up 4 years in sport #2 or 3, you can play. you can also play multiple sports in a year, each sport individually is under the same 5/4 rule (pre-covid).

I guess I misunderstood what you originally wrote, I thought you were implying that you only had four years total of any sport combined, not four years for any individual sport (for five years total).

not my best work.

[AreaLax]

Jake Bernhardt has been named as Associate HC at UVM

[runrussellrun]

when is the last time a Maryland public HS grad started at tERP LAND?

[AreaLax]

when is the last time a Maryland public HS grad started at tERP LAND?

2019 DUBICK.

[youthathletics]

when is the last time a Maryland public HS grad started at tERP LAND?

2019 DUBICK.

Wasn’t it in his senior year?

[NYterp09]

when is the last time a Maryland public HS grad started at tERP LAND?

2019 DUBICK.

Wasn’t it in his senior year?

Yeah but look at who was in front of him on the depth chart those other years. Rambo, Kelly, heacock, maltz, Bernhardt…plus I’m pretty sure he was on the man up unit all four years.

[jrn19]

when is the last time a Maryland public HS grad started at tERP LAND?

2019 DUBICK.

Wasn’t it in his senior year?

Yeah but look at who was in front of him on the depth chart those other years. Rambo, Kelly, heacock, maltz, Bernhardt…plus I’m pretty sure he was on the man up unit all four years.

Yep; man-up from 16-18 and then started in 19.

Rustin Bryant was also a public HS grad and occasionally started in '13 and '14; also was an EMO specialist like Dubick.

[Wheels]

The public-private thing in the DMV for lacrosse is so different than in other places. In PA, you still have a lot of public school kids play at the highest levels of D1 even though Inter-AC teams, St. Joe's Prep, and La Salle College Prep are also powerhouses. Same in NJ...very good public HS programs balanced by your Delbarton's of NJ. It's not that good players don't come out of the public schools in Maryland (and northern VA), it's just that the privates in the DMV produce such a disproportionate amount of lacrosse talent.

[Seahawk]

The Terps start Josh Coffman from Severna Park at SSDM following in the tradition of Paul Gillette in past days.

[ohmilax34]

The public-private thing in the DMV for lacrosse is so different than in other places. In PA, you still have a lot of public school kids play at the highest levels of D1 even though Inter-AC teams, St. Joe's Prep, and La Salle College Prep are also powerhouses. Same in NJ...very good public HS programs balanced by your Delbarton's of NJ. It's not that good players don't come out of the public schools in Maryland (and northern VA), it's just that the privates in the DMV produce such a disproportionate amount of lacrosse talent.

Are the kids coming out of the private schools attending those schools K-12 or are they attending public schools K-8, then going to the private school for 9-12? The reason I ask, is because I get hung up when we use the word "produce" to mean that those schools developed the player. My guess is, for the most part, that these private schools in the DMV area are K-12 and the kids are usually attending school there for K-12.

Of course, if there is some sort of town team that a kid plays on through 8th grade, that is part of their development. I'm guessing club teams have taken over town teams for the most part.

[hmmm]

The public-private thing in the DMV for lacrosse is so different than in other places. In PA, you still have a lot of public school kids play at the highest levels of D1 even though Inter-AC teams, St. Joe's Prep, and La Salle College Prep are also powerhouses. Same in NJ...very good public HS programs balanced by your Delbarton's of NJ. It's not that good players don't come out of the public schools in Maryland (and northern VA), it's just that the privates in the DMV produce such a disproportionate amount of lacrosse talent.

Are the kids coming out of the private schools attending those schools K-12 or are they attending public schools K-8, then going to the private school for 9-12? The reason I ask, is because I get hung up when we use the word "produce" to mean that those schools developed the player. My guess is, for the most part, that these private schools in the DMV area are K-12 and the kids are usually attending school there for K-12.

Of course, if there is some sort of town team that a kid plays on through 8th grade, that is part of their development. I'm guessing club teams have taken over town teams for the most part.

Most the private school kids go to private school for a majority of their schooling. There is a large group that start private school in middle school(This is what my kids did). That group may be about the same size as those that start in K. The smallest group is those that start in high school.

And yes, town teams are no longer really a thing. Assuming you're from LI since you referenced them as town teams. Not too long ago kids played for their local rec council in MYLA when they were younger and club didn't start until 5th grade. The clubs haver started teams younger and younger and has pretty much decimated MYLA at this point. There is a spring league that all the club teams play in that has pretty much replaced rec lacrosse here.

[AreaLax]

Atlanta is becoming a lacrosse hotbed. Maryland is capitalizing.

[ohmilax34]

The public-private thing in the DMV for lacrosse is so different than in other places. In PA, you still have a lot of public school kids play at the highest levels of D1 even though Inter-AC teams, St. Joe's Prep, and La Salle College Prep are also powerhouses. Same in NJ...very good public HS programs balanced by your Delbarton's of NJ. It's not that good players don't come out of the public schools in Maryland (and northern VA), it's just that the privates in the DMV produce such a disproportionate amount of lacrosse talent.

Are the kids coming out of the private schools attending those schools K-12 or are they attending public schools K-8, then going to the private school for 9-12? The reason I ask, is because I get hung up when we use the word "produce" to mean that those schools developed the player. My guess is, for the most part, that these private schools in the DMV area are K-12 and the kids are usually attending school there for K-12.

Of course, if there is some sort of town team that a kid plays on through 8th grade, that is part of their development. I'm guessing club teams have taken over town teams for the most part.

Most the private school kids go to private school for a majority of their schooling. There is a large group that start private school in middle school(This is what my kids did). That group may be about the same size as those that start in K. The smallest group is those that start in high school.

And yes, town teams are no longer really a thing. Assuming you're from LI since you referenced them as town teams. Not too long ago kids played for their local rec council in MYLA when they were younger and club didn't start until 5th grade. The clubs haver started teams younger and younger and has pretty much decimated MYLA at this point. There is a spring league that all the club teams play in that has pretty much replaced rec lacrosse here.

Thanks for the response! Not from LI, just have heard the term "town team" before and thought it might've been used in Maryland.

I really dislike it when I see a tweet that some post grad at some NE prep school committed to a top D1 lacrosse program and he's called a "Deerfield product", even after only being there for a year or two. Most of the commitment tweets should say "a product of his childhood backyard", but that doesn't help the brand of anyone and it certainly doesn't put money in anyone's pocket.

[keno in reno]

Atlanta is becoming a lacrosse hotbed. Maryland is capitalizing.

Kudos to Kevin McNulty for a professional level article. I've always thought that the growth of the talent base would help Maryland's recruiting, as the legacy northeast hotbeds including MIAA seemed to favor Duke, Uva, UNC and Ivies first. As we're seeing, there's a ton of athletes in Georgia, Florida, Texas, Cali and the Pacific Northwest to fill the gaps.

[wgdsr]

The public-private thing in the DMV for lacrosse is so different than in other places. In PA, you still have a lot of public school kids play at the highest levels of D1 even though Inter-AC teams, St. Joe's Prep, and La Salle College Prep are also powerhouses. Same in NJ...very good public HS programs balanced by your Delbarton's of NJ. It's not that good players don't come out of the public schools in Maryland (and northern VA), it's just that the privates in the DMV produce such a disproportionate amount of lacrosse talent.

Are the kids coming out of the private schools attending those schools K-12 or are they attending public schools K-8, then going to the private school for 9-12? The reason I ask, is because I get hung up when we use the word "produce" to mean that those schools developed the player. My guess is, for the most part, that these private schools in the DMV area are K-12 and the kids are usually attending school there for K-12.

Of course, if there is some sort of town team that a kid plays on through 8th grade, that is part of their development. I'm guessing club teams have taken over town teams for the most part.

Most the private school kids go to private school for a majority of their schooling. There is a large group that start private school in middle school(This is what my kids did). That group may be about the same size as those that start in K. The smallest group is those that start in high school.

And yes, town teams are no longer really a thing. Assuming you're from LI since you referenced them as town teams. Not too long ago kids played for their local rec council in MYLA when they were younger and club didn't start until 5th grade. The clubs haver started teams younger and younger and has pretty much decimated MYLA at this point. There is a spring league that all the club teams play in that has pretty much replaced rec lacrosse here.

Thanks for the response! Not from LI, just have heard the term "town team" before and thought it might've been used in Maryland.

I really dislike it when I see a tweet that some post grad at some NE prep school committed to a top D1 lacrosse program and he's called a "Deerfield product", even after only being there for a year or two. Most of the commitment tweets should say "a product of his childhood backyard", but that doesn't help the brand of anyone and it certainly doesn't put money in anyone's pocket.

someone can correct me, but most of the top schools just have an upper school? and not true feeders?
landon is maybe all the way thru, sssa.bullis, too? episcopal is boarding and all the way thru, but get people coming in late from everywhere.
st johns, pvi, gprep (tho mater dei famous as a feeder), gonzaga are all high schools? not sure about dematha (they've been down).

one school alone in the last 2 years has taken in from our district -- 2 guys after 2 yrs of high school. 1 after frosh. 3 guys coming into 9th. plenty other schools and players last 6-7 years on mostly timelines of entering 9th.

schools scout and recruit the (middle school) clubs. sometimes from the coaches of said clubs. and ya, clubs have decimated the town teams most recently. i suspect the pendulum will swing again, just don't know how long.

might be a lot less aware of kids that matriculated real early as private kids of course.

there's more dynamics at play. private kids get ultra focused on lax and do anything and everything to be at events, be seen, do it year round. want it in college. public kids tend to not put that kind of focus and in virginia at least don't bend the knee bc of a lot of very good state college options and experiences.

other stuff like publics started just 20 years ago well after privates, and maybe there's 10-12 better schools in va then a drop off vs 30-40 on long island (and li's better at most steps with just 2 major privates and then "the rest").

but the biggest one, not exclusive to dmv, is rosters have skewed major private at most "top" schools. uva from this year's ff maybe the closest to 50/50, the rest and many others including ivies are 1.5 - 3 to 1. this is a change from x years ago... it's an investment.

[Wheels]

someone can correct me, but most of the top schools just have an upper school? and not true feeders?
landon is maybe all the way thru, sssa.bullis, too? episcopal is boarding and all the way thru, but get people coming in late from everywhere.
st johns, pvi, gprep (tho mater dei famous as a feeder), gonzaga are all high schools? not sure about dematha (they've been down).

one school alone in the last 2 years has taken in from our district -- 2 guys after 2 yrs of high school. 1 after frosh. 3 guys coming into 9th. plenty other schools and players last 6-7 years on mostly timelines of entering 9th.

schools scout and recruit the (middle school) clubs. sometimes from the coaches of said clubs. and ya, clubs have decimated the town teams most recently. i suspect the pendulum will swing again, just don't know how long.

might be a lot less aware of kids that matriculated real early as private kids of course.

there's more dynamics at play. private kids get ultra focused on lax and do anything and everything to be at events, be seen, do it year round. want it in college. public kids tend to not put that kind of focus and in virginia at least don't bend the knee bc of a lot of very good state college options and experiences.

other stuff like publics started just 20 years ago well after privates, and maybe there's 10-12 better schools in va then a drop off vs 30-40 on long island (and li's better at most steps with just 2 major privates and then "the rest").

but the biggest one, not exclusive to dmv, is rosters have skewed major private at most "top" schools. uva from this year's ff maybe the closest to 50/50, the rest and many others including ivies are 1.5 - 3 to 1. this is a change from x years ago... it's an investment.

The WCAC schools (Gonzaga, St. Johns, Paul VI, DeMatha, Good Counsel) are 9-12 high schools.

The IAC has a mix. Georgetown Prep is 9-12 but Bullis, Landon, St. Albans, St Stevens-St Agnes have lower or middle schools, too.

The MIAA seems to have way more K-12 programs, but that just might be my perception. I don't think Calvert Hall has a lower or middle school, nor does Loyola Blakefield. But Gillman, McDonogh, Boys Latin, and I think St. Paul's do have the K-12 thing going. Not sure about Severn, St. Mary's, Spalding, Mt St Joe's, or John Carroll (those are the top level, I think). The B and C levels of the MIAA...probably all over the place.

I don't think there are town leagues left in the DMV for the most part. In PA, we still have them and the clubs seem to respect the spring as a time for rec leagues; but that is also changing. It's always the fathers coaching at the youth club level that think they get a better experience for their kids if they bail from rec leagues. It's a shame.

[Wheels]

Atlanta is becoming a lacrosse hotbed. Maryland is capitalizing.

Kudos to Kevin McNulty for a professional level article. I've always thought that the growth of the talent base would help Maryland's recruiting, as the legacy northeast hotbeds including MIAA seemed to favor Duke, Uva, UNC and Ivies first. As we're seeing, there's a ton of athletes in Georgia, Florida, Texas, Cali and the Pacific Northwest to fill the gaps.

Tills is smart. The number of HS students PA-northward and out through the Great Lakes region is collapsing through 2030. All of the growth in HS population is happening in places like GA, TX, and the like. Northern transplants become pied pipers for the game, and now the game is growing. But if you're a school like Maryland that successfully recruits places like Long Island and southeastern PA, the numbers of players in those places is going to shrink...and the recruiting competition for the fewer players will increase. Makes sense to develop pipelines in GA, TX, and FL. I suspect NC will continue to increase in the number of really good HS players coming out of that state. But PA, NJ, and NY? Fewer players, more recruiting competition.