I think a lot of schools do that, it allows them a window to make the coaches faculty and not staff. Denison just did it.georgeoar394 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:27 pm https://amherst.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/A ... tor_JR1330
AC is obviously hoping to take a few steps back from the lacrosse world with the combination of two positions...bet they are hoping to get a candidate that is mediocre compared to JT
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Casey does it at Tufts now, as did my coach (and the AD too, badminton, gave me an A) many, many years ago.
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Yeah, this is pretty common....especially at the D3 level.georgeoar394 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:27 pm https://amherst.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/A ... tor_JR1330
AC is obviously hoping to take a few steps back from the lacrosse world with the combination of two positions...bet they are hoping to get a candidate that is mediocre compared to JT
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A few bolded updates below. Interesting that Middlebury has taken 4 commits from the southwest.
Laxxal22 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:08 pm Amherst
Andrew Hahm, D, St. Sebastians, Laxachusetts
Kai Lockton, A, Sacred Heart Prep, ADVNC
Tim Souza, D, St. Sebastians, Laxachusetts
Patrick Leder, D, Manhasset Secondary, FLG
Bowdoin
Samuel Raye Steiner, A, Middlesex School, 3D New England
Colby
Alex Vlacich, M, Rivers School, Laxachusetts
Alex Reitman, A, Choate, 2 Way Lacrosse
Preston Maze, D, Bronxville HS, Express North
Nick Sokolosky, M, Choate, Laxachusetts
Zac Landon, A, Williston Northampton, CT Valley
Hamilton
Ben Ryn, M, Xaverian, Laxachusetts
Middlebury
JD Farkas, M, St Peters Prep, BBL Elite
Brendan Hickey, M, Tower Hill School, Mesa Fresh
Hayden Kern, G, Westlake HS, Southstar
Logan White, A, Regis Jesuit, Denver Elite
Drew Dummer, D, Belmont Hill, Laxachusetts
Misha Troupo, M, Westlake HS, Stickstar
Jackson Hanson, A, Austin HS, Iron Horse
Trinity
Luke Rizzotti, A, New Hampton School, 3d New England
Ethan Cobb, A/M, New Hampton School, Team Carolina
Elliot Detjens, D, Northfield mount Hermon, 3D New England
Teddy O’Rourke, M, Concord Carlisle, Fighting Clams
Carter Barford, D, Rye NY, Predators
Jack Almeida, M, St. George's, Eclipse
Jay Ottomanelli, M, Garden City HS
Tufts
Ethan O’Neill, M, Belmont Hill, Laxachusetts
Ben Frisoli, LSM, St. Sebastians, Laxachusetts
Wesleyan
Lucca Casagrande, D, Milton Academy, Laxachusetts
Ben Burns, A, Suffern, Patriot Elite
William Miller, A, St. Ignatius (CA), Alcatraz Outlaws
Williams
Aidan Housenbold, D, Torrey Pines HS,
Will Doran, A, Princeton HS, Leading Edge
Adam Figler, A, Belmont Hill School, 3D New England
Ryan Johnson, M, Delbarton, Patriot
Ian Kim, FO, Conestoga HS, Baltimore Crabs
Cade Schuckman, M, Mountain Lakes, Leading Edge
Lewis Schrock, G, Choate, Legends National
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Of these early NESCAC commits, what's the normal rate of these kids that actually end up where they first commit? Do the coaches have a certain number of kids they can tag, within certain bands, like the Ivy League, so that they all get accepted? (Just curiosity from someone with minimal experience with the NESCAC). Are there standards across the conference, or does each school set it's own parameters?
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I'm not an expert, but have some recent, limited experience in this area, so I'll take a crack and ask others to correct any misstatements.WhiteCarrera wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:31 am Of these early NESCAC commits, what's the normal rate of these kids that actually end up where they first commit? Do the coaches have a certain number of kids they can tag, within certain bands, like the Ivy League, so that they all get accepted? (Just curiosity from someone with minimal experience with the NESCAC). Are there standards across the conference, or does each school set it's own parameters?
Potential NESCAC recruits fall into three general bands based on their pre-read essentials (grades/scores/writing sample): A-band (top ~25% of admitted students), B-band (middle ~50% of admitted students) and C-band (bottom ~25% of admitted students). Since NESCAC schools have different admissions rates, the band cut-offs vary by school. In normal years, coaches may bring in several A-band PSAs per class, a few B-band PSAs and one or two C-band PSAs. Based on my understanding, COVID gap-years reduced the number of B and C-band slots available for the 2022 class.
In mid-June, NESCAC coaches ask their recruits to provide grades/scores/HS profiles/writing samples. The coaches turn those over to the admissions department along with an indication of how much support (aka "juice", "slots/tips/nods", etc) a coach is willing to provide. The admissions department returns a positive or negative pre-read. With that in hand, the coach can offer to support the PSA's ED1 application with the same level of "juice" that the coach indicated to admissions during the pre-read. Coaches are careful to note that the commitment is not a guarantee of admission, but the coaches with longer tenures at their schools are typically batting over 0.95 in that department.
The majority of the July 1 NESCAC commits are B and C-band PSAs and, unless those PSAs have legal/academic trouble or are poached by an Ivy, they generally matriculate. After the first week in July, many of the B/C band slots are used and the coaches move on to A-band PSAs.
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Wesleyansmoova wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:38 am A few bolded updates below. Interesting that Middlebury has taken 4 commits from the southwest.
Laxxal22 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:08 pm Amherst
Andrew Hahm, D, St. Sebastians, Laxachusetts
Kai Lockton, A, Sacred Heart Prep, ADVNC
Tim Souza, D, St. Sebastians, Laxachusetts
Patrick Leder, D, Manhasset Secondary, FLG
Bowdoin
Samuel Raye Steiner, A, Middlesex School, 3D New England
Colby
Alex Vlacich, M, Rivers School, Laxachusetts
Alex Reitman, A, Choate, 2 Way Lacrosse
Preston Maze, D, Bronxville HS, Express North
Nick Sokolosky, M, Choate, Laxachusetts
Zac Landon, A, Williston Northampton, CT Valley
Hamilton
Ben Ryn, M, Xaverian, Laxachusetts
Middlebury
JD Farkas, M, St Peters Prep, BBL Elite
Brendan Hickey, M, Tower Hill School, Mesa Fresh
Hayden Kern, G, Westlake HS, Southstar
Logan White, A, Regis Jesuit, Denver Elite
Drew Dummer, D, Belmont Hill, Laxachusetts
Misha Troupo, M, Westlake HS, Stickstar
Jackson Hanson, A, Austin HS, Iron Horse
Trinity
Luke Rizzotti, A, New Hampton School, 3d New England
Ethan Cobb, A/M, New Hampton School, Team Carolina
Elliot Detjens, D, Northfield mount Hermon, 3D New England
Teddy O’Rourke, M, Concord Carlisle, Fighting Clams
Carter Barford, D, Rye NY, Predators
Jack Almeida, M, St. George's, Eclipse
Jay Ottomanelli, M, Garden City HS
Tufts
Ethan O’Neill, M, Belmont Hill, Laxachusetts
Ben Frisoli, LSM, St. Sebastians, Laxachusetts
Wesleyan
Lucca Casagrande, D, Milton Academy, Laxachusetts
Ben Burns, A, Suffern, Patriot Elite
William Miller, A, St. Ignatius (CA), Alcatraz Outlaws
Williams
Aidan Housenbold, D, Torrey Pines HS,
Will Doran, A, Princeton HS, Leading Edge
Adam Figler, A, Belmont Hill School, 3D New England
Ryan Johnson, M, Delbarton, Patriot
Ian Kim, FO, Conestoga HS, Baltimore Crabs
Cade Schuckman, M, Mountain Lakes, Leading Edge
Lewis Schrock, G, Choate, Legends National
Charlie Knapp, A, Marin Catholic, West Coast Starz
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Updated with a few more who haven't popped up on IL yet.
Amherst
Andrew Hahm, D, St. Sebastians, Laxachusetts
Kai Lockton, A, Sacred Heart Prep, ADVNC
Tim Souza, D, St. Sebastians, Laxachusetts
Patrick Leder, D, Manhasset Secondary, FLG
Bowdoin
Samuel Raye Steiner, A, Middlesex School, 3D New England
Colby
Alex Vlacich, M, Rivers School, Laxachusetts
Alex Reitman, A, Choate, 2 Way Lacrosse
Preston Maze, D, Bronxville HS, Express North
Nick Sokolosky, M, Choate, Laxachusetts
Zac Landon, A, Williston Northampton, CT Valley
Hamilton
Ben Ryn, M, Xaverian, Laxachusetts
Middlebury
JD Farkas, M, St Peters Prep, BBL Elite
Brendan Hickey, M, Tower Hill School, Mesa Fresh
Hayden Kern, G, Westlake HS, Southstar
Logan White, A, Regis Jesuit, Denver Elite
Drew Dummer, D, Belmont Hill, Laxachusetts
Misha Troupo, M, Westlake HS, Stickstar
Jackson Hanson, A, Austin HS, Iron Horse
Trinity
Luke Rizzotti, A, New Hampton School, 3d New England
Ethan Cobb, A/M, New Hampton School, Team Carolina
Elliot Detjens, D, Northfield mount Hermon, 3D New England
Teddy O’Rourke, M, Concord Carlisle, Fighting Clams
Carter Barford, D, Rye NY, Predators
Jack Almeida, M, St. George's, Eclipse
Jay Ottomanelli, M, Garden City HS
Tufts
Ethan O’Neill, M, Belmont Hill, Laxachusetts
Ben Frisoli, LSM, St. Sebastians, Laxachusetts
Wesleyan
Lucca Casagrande, D, Milton Academy, Laxachusetts
Ben Burns, A, Suffern, Patriot Elite
William Miller, A, St. Ignatius (CA), Alcatraz Outlaws
Charlie Knapp, A, Marin Catholic, West Coast Starz
James Bailey, A/M, Seton Hall Prep (NJ), Tri State
Will Devine, A/M, St. Ignatius (CA), ADVNC SF
Williams
Aidan Housenbold, D, Torrey Pines HS,
Will Doran, A, Princeton HS, Leading Edge
Adam Figler, A, Belmont Hill School, 3D New England
Ryan Johnson, M, Delbarton, Patriot
Ian Kim, FO, Conestoga HS, Baltimore Crabs
Cade Schuckman, M, Mountain Lakes, Leading Edge
Lewis Schrock, G, Choate, Legends National
Drew Nicholson, D/LSM, Ward Melville, WM Patriot Elite
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Hugh Curran, pole out of Needham/Brewster Academy also in the Trinity class.
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Beau Keough, Attack, Roxbury Latin '21, Phillips Exeter '22, Tufts
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smoova wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:36 am Amherst
Andrew Hahm, D, St. Sebastians, Laxachusetts
Kai Lockton, A, Sacred Heart Prep, ADVNC
Tim Souza, D, St. Sebastians, Laxachusetts
Patrick Leder, D, Manhasset Secondary, FLG
Bowdoin
Samuel Raye Steiner, A, Middlesex School, 3D New England
Will Lesko, A, The Hill School (PA), Mesa
Alex Byrne, D, Berkshire, Eclipse
Colby
Alex Vlacich, M, Rivers School, Laxachusetts
Alex Reitman, A, Choate, 2 Way Lacrosse
Preston Maze, D, Bronxville HS, Express North
Nick Sokolosky, M, Choate, Laxachusetts
Zac Landon, A, Williston Northampton, CT Valley
Cormac O'Neill, Breck School (MN), Team MN
Hamilton
Ben Ryn, M, Xaverian, Laxachusetts
Middlebury
JD Farkas, M, St Peters Prep, BBL Elite
Brendan Hickey, M, Tower Hill School, Mesa Fresh
Hayden Kern, G, Westlake HS, Southstar
Logan White, A, Regis Jesuit, Denver Elite
Drew Dummer, D, Belmont Hill, Laxachusetts
Misha Troupo, M, Westlake HS, Stickstar
Jackson Hanson, A, Austin HS, Iron Horse
Trinity
Luke Rizzotti, A, New Hampton School, 3d New England
Ethan Cobb, A/M, New Hampton School, Team Carolina
Elliot Detjens, D, Northfield mount Hermon, 3D New England
Teddy O’Rourke, M, Concord Carlisle, Fighting Clams
Carter Barford, D, Rye NY, Predators
Jack Almeida, M, St. George's, Eclipse
Jay Ottomanelli, M, Garden City HS
Finn O'Callaghan, LSM, John Jay HS, Primetime
Hugh Curran, D, Needham/Brewster Academy,
Tufts
Ethan O’Neill, M, Belmont Hill, Laxachusetts
Ben Frisoli, LSM, St. Sebastians, Laxachusetts
Beau Keough, A, Roxbury Latin '21/Phillips Exeter '22, Laxachusetts
Wesleyan
Lucca Casagrande, D, Milton Academy, Laxachusetts
Ben Burns, A, Suffern, Patriot Elite
William Miller, A, St. Ignatius (CA), Alcatraz Outlaws
Charlie Knapp, A, Marin Catholic, West Coast Starz
James Bailey, A/M, Seton Hall Prep (NJ), Tri State
Will Devine, A/M, St. Ignatius (CA), ADVNC SF
Williams
Aidan Housenbold, D, Torrey Pines HS,
Will Doran, A, Princeton HS, Leading Edge
Adam Figler, A, Belmont Hill School, 3D New England
Ryan Johnson, M, Delbarton, Patriot
Ian Kim, FO, Conestoga HS, Baltimore Crabs
Cade Schuckman, M, Mountain Lakes, Leading Edge
Lewis Schrock, G, Choate, Legends National
Drew Nicholson, D/LSM, Ward Melville, WM Patriot Elite
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TBH, all these players are very solid. Wesleyan, Midd and Williams players stand out to me. Raba is an unbelievable recruiter, grabbing some west coast elite level talent. Also heard through the grapevine that the Cards are stacked with talent on both sides this upcoming 2022 season. Midd grabbing midwest players is unusual, but I'm sure they're all standouts. Midd always tough to beat come playoff time. NESCAC lax > all.
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'22 attackman Brian Winters from Bergen Catholic (NJ) "committed" to tufts
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That would be a very good hire. He has built a very strong program pretty much in isolation out there, at least as regarding proximity of other D3 schools. Hiring someone based on their actual success as a coach is always a good move.georgeoar394 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:25 pm https://www.gazettenet.com/Amherst-Coll ... s-41911498
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Some interesting symmetry there - Coach Thompson booted from Amherst, takes the OC job at USAFA (just a few miles north of CC) and Coach Woods (presumably) leaves CC to take the job at Amherst.georgeoar394 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:25 pm https://www.gazettenet.com/Amherst-Coll ... s-41911498
My kid and I spent a couple hours with Coach Woods earlier this summer - seemed like a great guy who knows his stuff and has done a fantastic job putting CC on the map over the last few years.
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Would be a really solid hire for a lot of reasons. Hope it’s true.pcowlax wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:36 pmThat would be a very good hire. He has built a very strong program pretty much in isolation out there, at least as regarding proximity of other D3 schools. Hiring someone based on their actual success as a coach is always a good move.georgeoar394 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:25 pm https://www.gazettenet.com/Amherst-Coll ... s-41911498
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Hurrah to that hire if accurate!
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MAC - The SEC of DIII lacrosse.
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