HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:01 pm
wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:42 pm
Wood Sticks 4ever wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:22 pm
51percentcorn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:39 am
How about when you are up 3 with a 1:08 left and you have Zinn running untouched down the middle of the quagmire? Are you surprised that a freshman who had played little in the game started a sequence that turned it over and you had to sweat out the last 30 seconds?
Not to nit pick, but Zinn didn't turn the ball over. In fact, between the physical defense he played and the interception, he just reinforced the fact that he has the size and speed we need at middie. The problem on that clear occurred with Kuhn, who lost the ball trying to spin (or, according to the announcers from hell, trying to throw a behind the back pass)
he said he started the sequence. twice, in fact. he threw the ball out to marr earlier than he needed to (35 yds) that ended up being a short hop that marr fortunately picked up. this was the opportunity for a timeout. with carolina having a numbers advantage within 20 yds of the ball (3 v 4, a carolina sub approaching marr for a double), marr threw it back out to zinn.
who again, got the ball out of his stick too quick. this time to a pole who had one hand on his stick and wasn't prepared or asking for the ball. zinn's pass was again low, forcing kuhn to adjust low to get it, and by then an oncoming mid was about to slam his butt end. it's not clear whether the check got there first or he was in fact flipping it behind him. either way he shouldn't have been put in that position.
whether he was tired or because he was a freshman, or both... he should've been making more measured plays. which will come with experience likely. tinney wouldn't have, as an example. and an argument could be made that would've been a good spot for a TO (when marr had it for a second). but that's hindsight and only perfect through that lens.
Lot of criticism for a kid who
picked the ball off. The two passes weren't perfect. But, to reiterate—and this is important—he caused a turnover on defense. Seems odd to pile on about that sequence without acknowledging how the Jays came to be in possession of the ball in the first place? The first pass to Marr was definitely too short, but Kuhn should have done more with the second one. He could have passed or moved it forward into the offensive end, instead he tried a risky spin move at midfield which was a turnover waiting to happen.
In each game with extremely limited playing time, Zinn has done something good, whether it's been a nice assist in transition, a tough groundball, or a caused turnover. And that's just as an SSDM...he's had virtually no opportunity whatsoever to show what he can do in the offensive end. It surely can't be much less than what the current crop of middies is offering. At the very least I trust his ability to dodge downhill and separate, and get the defense moving a little bit, than the munchkins who aren't beating anyone right now.
none of what i said was meant to be a criticism but a critique and on the play(s).
and if you followed the thread (which was broken up), i first provided an explanation to 51 about how a timeout coundn't have been called when zinn had the ball and left it at that.
and then it was opined about kuhn's play at the time (which you largely agree with)... i disagree with that assessment(like 180 degrees, frankly can't even imagine why you guys see kuhn as at fault here)) and jumped in with an opinion in defense of him basically... and wouldn't have commented otherwise.
anyway, i expect zinn'll get better at it with experience and said as much.
-- the coaches put him in on offense right before they turned it over --- and they had him in there knowing it was an important possession and that he might get caught in on d. which he did. if they trusted him to make the plays thru all of that (and a clear), then i would as well.. it was noted he made the play to get the ball back.
you get there by going thru it. isn't that what many observers wanted for williams 2 years ago?
would i
expect him to miss those plays?
no.
am i surprised, with the limited early experience this year?
no.
there's more nuance,but the long is he's probably farther along this week for going thru it.
and again it should be noted --- they were up 3 goals. with less than a minute left. had not some really odd next circumstances happened, no one is talking about any of this.