January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

[old salt]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

[cradleandshoot]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

+1 great post OS. IMO this should be nominated for the fanlax post of the year. It probably contains too much wisdom and common sense for that to ever happen.

[Typical Lax Dad]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

How did the “race war” go?

[tech37]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

+1 great post OS. IMO this should be nominated for the fanlax post of the year. It probably contains too much wisdom and common sense for that to ever happen.

Agreed. Not bad, coming from the forum "cult" member.

[tech37]

White Rage ...in the military, to boot.

Yep. It all makes sense now. The new emerging narrative => the Jan 6th insurrection was a manifestation of White Rage.

Not surprising, when you think about it. What is surprising is that our senior military officer, who publicly scolded himself for appearing political, would be the advance element in rolling out this new narrative. Irony abounds.

Since when is this a 'new narrative'???

Immediately when it happened, there was lots of attention to the whiteness of the mob and most particularly to the side by side waving of Confederate flags, the Auschswitz t-shirt, the QAnon shirts and banners, alongside the Trump and American flags as if all were one and the same, one huge happy family of insurrectionists. And then attention to various white supremacist groups in the vanguard.

So, yeah 'white rage' noted at the outset.

You yourself argued that the high percentage of the ex-military in the early arrested group was not likely reflective of the total rioters and shouldn't be seen as an indicator of anything, but there were concerns being expressed even then that there was an overlap in recruitment of veterans by the white supremacist/militia groups and as well that there had been expressed strategies by these groups to recruit active service members as well...you objected. All of that was in the immediate aftermath.

The concern early on (and still now) is that we were very, very close to a successful insurrection, actually supported by the military on the order of the outgoing President. We now learn that Trump was furious with Milley for not supporting this effort, just as he was furious with Barr for refuting the Big Lie. Screaming mad...how close were we? close.

So, understanding this 'white rage' and how it manifests is very serious business.

Despite the unfortunate WR label/characterization/theorum...

I heard something interesting out of corner of my ear a day or two ago, I think on Cavuto Fox Biz. The interviewee said something like (paraphrased), Milley is capitulating to woke concepts and the lefty wing of the govt for future recruitment concerns. In other words, the younger generations will be more willing to sign up with a military they can more easily relate to.

Again, I haven't been following this closely so sorry if this has been mentioned.

[MDlaxfan76]

White Rage ...in the military, to boot.

Yep. It all makes sense now. The new emerging narrative => the Jan 6th insurrection was a manifestation of White Rage.

Not surprising, when you think about it. What is surprising is that our senior military officer, who publicly scolded himself for appearing political, would be the advance element in rolling out this new narrative. Irony abounds.

Since when is this a 'new narrative'???

Immediately when it happened, there was lots of attention to the whiteness of the mob and most particularly to the side by side waving of Confederate flags, the Auschswitz t-shirt, the QAnon shirts and banners, alongside the Trump and American flags as if all were one and the same, one huge happy family of insurrectionists. And then attention to various white supremacist groups in the vanguard.

So, yeah 'white rage' noted at the outset.

You yourself argued that the high percentage of the ex-military in the early arrested group was not likely reflective of the total rioters and shouldn't be seen as an indicator of anything, but there were concerns being expressed even then that there was an overlap in recruitment of veterans by the white supremacist/militia groups and as well that there had been expressed strategies by these groups to recruit active service members as well...you objected. All of that was in the immediate aftermath.

The concern early on (and still now) is that we were very, very close to a successful insurrection, actually supported by the military on the order of the outgoing President. We now learn that Trump was furious with Milley for not supporting this effort, just as he was furious with Barr for refuting the Big Lie. Screaming mad...how close were we? close.

So, understanding this 'white rage' and how it manifests is very serious business.

Despite the unfortunate WR label/characterization/theorum...

I heard something interesting out of corner of my ear a day or two ago, I think on Cavuto Fox Biz. The interviewee said something like (paraphrased), Milley is capitulating to woke concepts and the lefty wing of the govt for future recruitment concerns. In other words, the younger generations will be more willing to sign up with a military they can more easily relate to.

Again, I haven't been following this closely so sorry if this has been mentioned.

half correct analysis. There's little doubt that the younger generation isn't going to put up with Army bases named after Confederate Generals and the like.

But it ain't about recruitment, it's about actual leadership of those in the ranks. Leaders care little about those retired for a couple of decades not 'getting it', they care about those they're actually leading.

[tech37]

White Rage ...in the military, to boot.

Yep. It all makes sense now. The new emerging narrative => the Jan 6th insurrection was a manifestation of White Rage.

Not surprising, when you think about it. What is surprising is that our senior military officer, who publicly scolded himself for appearing political, would be the advance element in rolling out this new narrative. Irony abounds.

Since when is this a 'new narrative'???

Immediately when it happened, there was lots of attention to the whiteness of the mob and most particularly to the side by side waving of Confederate flags, the Auschswitz t-shirt, the QAnon shirts and banners, alongside the Trump and American flags as if all were one and the same, one huge happy family of insurrectionists. And then attention to various white supremacist groups in the vanguard.

So, yeah 'white rage' noted at the outset.

You yourself argued that the high percentage of the ex-military in the early arrested group was not likely reflective of the total rioters and shouldn't be seen as an indicator of anything, but there were concerns being expressed even then that there was an overlap in recruitment of veterans by the white supremacist/militia groups and as well that there had been expressed strategies by these groups to recruit active service members as well...you objected. All of that was in the immediate aftermath.

The concern early on (and still now) is that we were very, very close to a successful insurrection, actually supported by the military on the order of the outgoing President. We now learn that Trump was furious with Milley for not supporting this effort, just as he was furious with Barr for refuting the Big Lie. Screaming mad...how close were we? close.

So, understanding this 'white rage' and how it manifests is very serious business.

Despite the unfortunate WR label/characterization/theorum...

I heard something interesting out of corner of my ear a day or two ago, I think on Cavuto Fox Biz. The interviewee said something like (paraphrased), Milley is capitulating to woke concepts and the lefty wing of the govt for future recruitment concerns. In other words, the younger generations will be more willing to sign up with a military they can more easily relate to.

Again, I haven't been following this closely so sorry if this has been mentioned.

half correct analysis. There's little doubt that the younger generation isn't going to put up with Army bases named after Confederate Generals and the like.

But it ain't about recruitment, it's about actual leadership of those in the ranks. Leaders care little about those retired for a couple of decades not 'getting it', they care about those they're actually leading.

It's not my analysis... just what I heard, which I thought was an interesting take. You of course have your own opinionated analysis/spin and that's fine.

I'm not a military person per se, although I have always had much respect. I will always defer to OS, C&S, DMac... people with actual experience.

[cradleandshoot]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

+1 great post OS. IMO this should be nominated for the fanlax post of the year. It probably contains too much wisdom and common sense for that to ever happen.

Agreed. Not bad, coming from the forum "cult" member.

I'm a cult member? Who knew? Am I a victim of FLP outrage? Can I sue someone??

[tech37]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

+1 great post OS. IMO this should be nominated for the fanlax post of the year. It probably contains too much wisdom and common sense for that to ever happen.

Agreed. Not bad, coming from the forum "cult" member.

I'm a cult member? Who knew? Am I a victim of FLP outrage? Can I sue someone??

Sorry C&S, was referring to OS who's been compared to a cult victim/member on here due to his unacceptable views.

[MDlaxfan76]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

The "white rage" was indeed triggered by Trump losing the election. Rage and panic. "Nothing more."
But with a twist. They were lied to that election had been stolen, just as they had been lied to that Mexicans were rapists, that thousands of Muslims in America had celebrated 9-11, that a Muslim ban was necessary, that our 'streets are burning' (blacks), that the Dems were going to force socialism, etc, etc...constant lies...so they felt justified that they were acting on orders of the POTUS to overcome an existential threat. But underlying all of it was the fear and resentment of demographic change. And that fear and resentment, just like the Big Lie remain very strong.

I appreciate your claim of having been active in advancing equal opportunities affirmatively, but your reactions on these threads have consistently indicated emotions that are quite different. Not rage. Resentment.

Totally agree that violence and riots etc hurt the cause of racial progress.

Crime is an entirely different matter and is BS as 'hurting the cause'. But heh, that's part of the 'white rage', fear and resentment bigotries. It's the 'other' that are criminals not whites. BS.

[cradleandshoot]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

+1 great post OS. IMO this should be nominated for the fanlax post of the year. It probably contains too much wisdom and common sense for that to ever happen.

Agreed. Not bad, coming from the forum "cult" member.

I'm a cult member? Who knew? Am I a victim of FLP outrage? Can I sue someone??

Sorry C&S, was referring to OS who's been compared to a cult victim/member on here due to his unacceptable views.

My bad, most of the OS detractors never in their lifetimes were willing to write that check. They have the audacity to think their FLP college degrees empowered them with knowledge and wisdom that life experience never bestowed upon them. I am under the belief that is why they believe themselves to have more military knowledge than OS. I personally enjoy reading them making idiots of themselves with their ignorance and stupidity. The never get tired of being taken out behind the woodshed.

[MDlaxfan76]

White Rage ...in the military, to boot.

Yep. It all makes sense now. The new emerging narrative => the Jan 6th insurrection was a manifestation of White Rage.

Not surprising, when you think about it. What is surprising is that our senior military officer, who publicly scolded himself for appearing political, would be the advance element in rolling out this new narrative. Irony abounds.

Since when is this a 'new narrative'???

Immediately when it happened, there was lots of attention to the whiteness of the mob and most particularly to the side by side waving of Confederate flags, the Auschswitz t-shirt, the QAnon shirts and banners, alongside the Trump and American flags as if all were one and the same, one huge happy family of insurrectionists. And then attention to various white supremacist groups in the vanguard.

So, yeah 'white rage' noted at the outset.

You yourself argued that the high percentage of the ex-military in the early arrested group was not likely reflective of the total rioters and shouldn't be seen as an indicator of anything, but there were concerns being expressed even then that there was an overlap in recruitment of veterans by the white supremacist/militia groups and as well that there had been expressed strategies by these groups to recruit active service members as well...you objected. All of that was in the immediate aftermath.

The concern early on (and still now) is that we were very, very close to a successful insurrection, actually supported by the military on the order of the outgoing President. We now learn that Trump was furious with Milley for not supporting this effort, just as he was furious with Barr for refuting the Big Lie. Screaming mad...how close were we? close.

So, understanding this 'white rage' and how it manifests is very serious business.

Despite the unfortunate WR label/characterization/theorum...

I heard something interesting out of corner of my ear a day or two ago, I think on Cavuto Fox Biz. The interviewee said something like (paraphrased), Milley is capitulating to woke concepts and the lefty wing of the govt for future recruitment concerns. In other words, the younger generations will be more willing to sign up with a military they can more easily relate to.

Again, I haven't been following this closely so sorry if this has been mentioned.

half correct analysis. There's little doubt that the younger generation isn't going to put up with Army bases named after Confederate Generals and the like.

But it ain't about recruitment, it's about actual leadership of those in the ranks. Leaders care little about those retired for a couple of decades not 'getting it', they care about those they're actually leading.

It's not my analysis... just what I heard, which I thought was an interesting take. You of course have your own opinionated analysis/spin and that's fine.

I'm not a military person per se, although I have always had much respect. I will always defer to OS, C&S, DMac... people with actual experience.

EDIT: On the analysis, I understood where you heard it...I was referring that analysis not you.

Me too, (on expert matters specifically military) it's just that I'll defer more to those actively serving, especially those in leadership, ala Milley. The experience is more recent, the exposure more deep, and the judgment more broadly based... and more forward looking.

But all of them I'll judge based on their actions and words, not the simple fact of service and position.

Listen, OS is the cat who told us over and over again that the Deep State was out to get Flynn, not because Flynn was a bigoted whack job, but because they didn't like that he spoke "the truth"; heck he even told us Sydney Powell was a great lawyer...OS is the cat who over and over again warned of an impending 'race war'...he thought because blacks were going to rise up and attack the suburbs? And yet denies white rage is real and was manifested Jan 6. And he over and over and over again said that he agreed with Trump's 'policies' so that's why he supported Trump, claimed there was no "collusion" between the Trump Campaign and the Russians...and he can't even denounce Tucker Carlson when he calls the CoS a pig, stupid, and obsequious...we could go on all day with examples of Salty being deep down the rat hole with this stuff.

That said, I think he's very knowledgeable on some specific subjects, well informed and well read on those, and he's a valuable contributor to the discussions. While I think he's full of sh-t at times in ways that reveal deep seated bigotries, I'm genuinely interested in his views when they touch on areas that he's given serious thought. We don't have to agree, I'm interested in his analysis.

I don't like his questioning my honesty.

[tech37]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

+1 great post OS. IMO this should be nominated for the fanlax post of the year. It probably contains too much wisdom and common sense for that to ever happen.

Agreed. Not bad, coming from the forum "cult" member.

I'm a cult member? Who knew? Am I a victim of FLP outrage? Can I sue someone??

Sorry C&S, was referring to OS who's been compared to a cult victim/member on here due to his unacceptable views.

My bad, most of the OS detractors never in their lifetimes were willing to write that check. They have the audacity to think their FLP college degrees empowered them with knowledge and wisdom that life experience never bestowed upon them. I am under the belief that is why they believe themselves to have more military knowledge than OS. I personally enjoy reading them making idiots of themselves with their ignorance and stupidity. The never get tired of being taken out behind the woodshed.

Yep. Unless someone has skin in the game, it's all just opinion/speculation.

[cradleandshoot]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

+1 great post OS. IMO this should be nominated for the fanlax post of the year. It probably contains too much wisdom and common sense for that to ever happen.

Agreed. Not bad, coming from the forum "cult" member.

I'm a cult member? Who knew? Am I a victim of FLP outrage? Can I sue someone??

Sorry C&S, was referring to OS who's been compared to a cult victim/member on here due to his unacceptable views.

My bad, most of the OS detractors never in their lifetimes were willing to write that check. They have the audacity to think their FLP college degrees empowered them with knowledge and wisdom that life experience never bestowed upon them. I am under the belief that is why they believe themselves to have more military knowledge than OS. I personally enjoy reading them making idiots of themselves with their ignorance and stupidity. The never get tired of being taken out behind the woodshed.

Yep. Unless someone has skin in the game, it's all just opinion/speculation.

+1..

[MDlaxfan76]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

+1 great post OS. IMO this should be nominated for the fanlax post of the year. It probably contains too much wisdom and common sense for that to ever happen.

Agreed. Not bad, coming from the forum "cult" member.

I'm a cult member? Who knew? Am I a victim of FLP outrage? Can I sue someone??

Sorry C&S, was referring to OS who's been compared to a cult victim/member on here due to his unacceptable views.

My bad, most of the OS detractors never in their lifetimes were willing to write that check. They have the audacity to think their FLP college degrees empowered them with knowledge and wisdom that life experience never bestowed upon them. I am under the belief that is why they believe themselves to have more military knowledge than OS. I personally enjoy reading them making idiots of themselves with their ignorance and stupidity. The never get tired of being taken out behind the woodshed.

Yep. Unless someone has skin in the game, it's all just opinion/speculation.

huh? who doesn't have "skin in the game" on the insurrection?

And are you really saying that only those who served some decades ago in the military have 'skin in the game' on how the military is run???

Or are you saying that the military should ignore civilian "opinions"?

Listen, I argue over and over and over again that we should look to experts who are part of institutions and institutional processes that test and validate their expertise, test their 'knowledge' on a continuing basis...not whack jobs who claim false expertise and are unwilling to be part of such of institutional processes...and that includes how the military is run, national defense issues, etc.

[cradleandshoot]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

+1 great post OS. IMO this should be nominated for the fanlax post of the year. It probably contains too much wisdom and common sense for that to ever happen.

Agreed. Not bad, coming from the forum "cult" member.

I'm a cult member? Who knew? Am I a victim of FLP outrage? Can I sue someone??

Sorry C&S, was referring to OS who's been compared to a cult victim/member on here due to his unacceptable views.

My bad, most of the OS detractors never in their lifetimes were willing to write that check. They have the audacity to think their FLP college degrees empowered them with knowledge and wisdom that life experience never bestowed upon them. I am under the belief that is why they believe themselves to have more military knowledge than OS. I personally enjoy reading them making idiots of themselves with their ignorance and stupidity. The never get tired of being taken out behind the woodshed.

Yep. Unless someone has skin in the game, it's all just opinion/speculation.

huh? who doesn't have "skin in the game" on the insurrection?

And are you really saying that only those who served some decades ago in the military have 'skin in the game' on how the military is run???

Or are you saying that the military should ignore civilian "opinions"?

Listen, I argue over and over and over again that we should look to experts who are part of institutions and institutional processes that test and validate their expertise, test their 'knowledge' on a continuing basis...not whack jobs who claim false expertise and are unwilling to be part of such of institutional processes...and that includes how the military is run, national defense issues, etc.

So you say look to the opinion of experts and then you are argumentative every step of the way with possibly the most knowledgeable expert in this forum.

[cradleandshoot]

BTW, old salt had skin in the game. How do you justify your never ending negative attitude towards him? Do you never get tired of being taken out behind the wood shed and having fresh welts placed on your fanny? OS never gets tired if his ongoing battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

[tech37]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

+1 great post OS. IMO this should be nominated for the fanlax post of the year. It probably contains too much wisdom and common sense for that to ever happen.

Agreed. Not bad, coming from the forum "cult" member.

I'm a cult member? Who knew? Am I a victim of FLP outrage? Can I sue someone??

Sorry C&S, was referring to OS who's been compared to a cult victim/member on here due to his unacceptable views.

My bad, most of the OS detractors never in their lifetimes were willing to write that check. They have the audacity to think their FLP college degrees empowered them with knowledge and wisdom that life experience never bestowed upon them. I am under the belief that is why they believe themselves to have more military knowledge than OS. I personally enjoy reading them making idiots of themselves with their ignorance and stupidity. The never get tired of being taken out behind the woodshed.

Yep. Unless someone has skin in the game, it's all just opinion/speculation.

huh? who doesn't have "skin in the game" on the insurrection?
Wasn't referring to "insurrection," but you know that.

And are you really saying that only those who served some decades ago in the military have 'skin in the game' on how the military is run???
No. But those who served as opposed to those who didn't, have an intrinsic POV that should be considered, specifically vets on this board who are of your generation. But you knew that too.

Or are you saying that the military should ignore civilian "opinions"?
If the sole purpose of the military is to protect the country, I'd prefer to see a focused military with the resolve to do so, insulated from ideologies that will most likely weaken that resolve.

Listen, I argue over and over and over again that we should look to experts who are part of institutions and institutional processes that test and validate their expertise, test their 'knowledge' on a continuing basis...not whack jobs who claim false expertise and are unwilling to be part of such of institutional processes...and that includes how the military is run, national defense issues, etc.
An Institution's reliability depends only on how markedly, or not, it's been corrupted.

[Farfromgeneva]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

Hope you pat yourself on the back real well. When they said they wanted to get the VP for not helping the loser of the election out that's a coup attempt. It's telling that you start with military and refer to yourself as civilian as if military isn't a volunteer position held by civilians. But I guess you think it's just words and yet you rage against words. Seems incongruous. Like the idea that one cannot have pride in progress and still recognize faults. That lacks introspection and deeper thinking, very shallow. Cite HR slogans and then go crazy over a marketing term for an idea that's been around for a long time (or alternatively are arguing from a dishonest position while whining others are not honest brokers). The conclusion that progress is being jeopardized assumes we are perfect which is also inconsistent with the idea that progress has been made. What is the risk if everything is perfect? Should be defensible if you are correct against such diviseness.

Just a bunch of air. You and no one else has done anything for society. Man the hubris. Maybe the simple folks in your small little world believe in your godlike resume but there's a lot of evidence here that you don't care for all of society only your selected people.

[Farfromgeneva]

But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.

That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".

Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.

It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.

So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.

The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.

+1 great post OS. IMO this should be nominated for the fanlax post of the year. It probably contains too much wisdom and common sense for that to ever happen.

The only thing you know is anger