January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

[cradleandshoot]

And yet you can't denounce Carlson. Got it.

...so petty. Who's trolling now ?
I refuse to jump through your hoops. You don't dictate the terms of the discussion.
I'm trying to discuss what our most senior military officer is telling us about "white rage",
& what his Chiefs are telling their officers & troops they should be reading,
...not some cable news host, who you are citing as a diversion.

nope, you just can't bring yourself to separate yourself from the racist a-holes like Carlson, who are leading the right wing charge against the COS, even when its an obvious lay up...

I'm happy to discuss how Milley ripped Gaetz and the rest of these imbeciles, how and why he did so, and why he considers studying why Jan 6 to be crucial, why he thinks leaders in the military should understand history fully including parts that are uncomfortable, and why he thinks that's important to actual leadership...but only with someone who is clear about rejecting racist POS like Carlson when he steps way, way over the line.

And you're not that guy, unfortunately.

"racist a-holes like Carlson," "racist POS"... if not slanderous, not sure what is.

slander: The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.

Not false.

same for libel or libelous...gotta be false.

This should be a lay-up for anyone on here except the gator troll.
Separate yourself from Carlson's attack on Milley. Easy peasy, lay-up.

Then discuss Milley and your opinions as to why he's wrong to hold his views.

i don't watch TC enough I guess to have your sense of certainty. Even if I did, I wouldn't make the kind of statements you have on a public forum. It seems weirdly personal.

Is he actually overtly racist?... or does he say just enough to trigger those who look for racism every waking moment, such as yourself, in order to capture some moral high ground and self-righteous stance?

Try googling 'Tucker Carlson racist'; yup, well documented.
My comments are actually tame.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/09/media/ad ... index.html

https://www.wgbh.org/news/commentary/20 ... -they-want

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... -trumpism/

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/04 ... ent-theory

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... blicanism/

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... t-1154153/

I was told back in 2014 by good friends of his daughter at UVA that Carlson was just 'acting' on the show, just putting on a pose for the audience. I didn't buy it then, but understood the girls' loyalty to their pal...but as this went further and further over time and events, even their view of him changed to recognize that only a true racist could allow himself to do and say as he did, whether in public or private.

I'm sure he's a perfectly charming fellow at the local coffee shop, he was so at the sorority event I was at with my niece and our family during her graduation. Such do not reveal character, typically. I also would not be surprised if he's generous in giving to charity...some truly awful human beings do such performatively. Some might even gain satisfaction from doing something good, including balancing out their other acts. Indeed, that would reflect a comprehension that what he does hurts many people.

No thanks... all those links lead to sources about as objective/nuanced as you are.

And direct quotes and links to Carlson speaking...his own words...you can judge for yourself.

Seriously, I'd be interested in your reaction after you've done some actual investigation.

After all, it was you who challenged me as slandering Carlson.

If you ignore stupid MD you will save yourself a lot of unecessary grief... I'm starting to think you are a glutton for punishment. Your are the perfect example of why I don't listen to or read any form of cable news. Enjoy your self flagellation but try not to hurt yourself too much...

You heard the man, he is telling you to ignore him. Free pass to do so.

Feel free to take your own advice

[MDlaxfan76]

cradle, we're on a Politics section of the forum, discussing the Insurrection in specific, including all the ridiculous things the right wing politicians and media are spewing as distractions to that topic.

One of those distractions is the notion that there's some sort of justifiable reaction to the social and racial justice movement, that caused Jan 6. Carlson is one of those spewing such. With an immense audience.

You're free to ignore this discussion, just as you're free to ignore the media.

But others of us are discussing what we want, thank you.

[Matnum PI]

cradle, we're on a Politics section of the forum, discussing the Insurrection in specific, including all the ridiculous things the right wing politicians and media are spewing as distractions to that topic... But others of us are discussing what we want, thank you.

Tucker is a favorite of White Supremacists. This is a fact. It doesn't mean he's necessarily a racist, let alone a vehement racist, but... It doesn't help his case. My experience with defining whether a person is a racist (or other types of bigots) or not is if someone is more racist than the person doing the evaluating. In other words, there's little to no objectivity in defining a racist, always subjective. With this said, though admittedly subjective, Tucker reeks of racism, reeks of bigotry. In the US, he is the currently reigning king of trolls.

[Typical Lax Dad]

cradle, we're on a Politics section of the forum, discussing the Insurrection in specific, including all the ridiculous things the right wing politicians and media are spewing as distractions to that topic... But others of us are discussing what we want, thank you.

Tucker is a favorite of White Supremacists. This is a fact. It doesn't mean he's necessarily a racist, let alone a vehement racist, but... It doesn't help his case. My experience with defining whether a person is a racist (or other types of bigots) or not is if someone is more racist than the person doing the evaluating. In other words, there's little to no objectivity in defining a racist, always subjective. With this said, though admittedly subjective, Tucker reeks of racism, reeks of bigotry. In the US, he is the currently reigning king of trolls.

My bar is “racists believe he’s on their side”…..

[MDlaxfan76]

cradle, we're on a Politics section of the forum, discussing the Insurrection in specific, including all the ridiculous things the right wing politicians and media are spewing as distractions to that topic... But others of us are discussing what we want, thank you.

Tucker is a favorite of White Supremacists. This is a fact. It doesn't mean he's necessarily a racist, let alone a vehement racist, but... It doesn't help his case. My experience with defining whether a person is a racist (or other types of bigots) or not is if someone is more racist than the person doing the evaluating. In other words, there's little to no objectivity in defining a racist, always subjective. With this said, though admittedly subjective, Tucker reeks of racism, reeks of bigotry. In the US, he is the currently reigning king of trolls.

That's fair, however I'd go a step further and say that Carlson welcomes that audience, panders to that audience, inflames that audience...on purpose, repeatedly...and if you aren't a racist, you'd never do so. Same for other bigotries.

It's a choice. And Carlson consciously makes that choice.

Which isn't to say that we all don't have some elements of bigotries, often unconsciously so. So, sure, there's an element of one's perspective. For instance, if someone is quite bigoted, though mostly unconsciously, one may have a difficult time recognizing that sort of bigotry in others. They may just seem 'rational; to them.

So, to me this conscious choice by Carlson is what enables us, or at least many of us, to see it more clearly.

[Matnum PI]

Carlson consciously makes that choice.

Then, in theory, Carlson isn't a racist, he just plays one on television.

[MDlaxfan76]

Carlson consciously makes that choice.

Then, in theory, Carlson isn't a racist, he just plays one on television.

well, in theory, that could be the case...as his daughter's pals told me a half decade ago...just an act.

But I don't think one could successfully do this act without it being true to character as well. Otherwise, man, he's some 'actor' when he gets going, face red, and viciously spewing. Oscar.

But I see it as he's consciously choosing to 'be racist'. And he's ok with being a racist.

Of course, he'd deny it.

[Peter Brown]

Carlson consciously makes that choice.

Then, in theory, Carlson isn't a racist, he just plays one on television.

Did white supremacy exist in the 80’s, 90’s, and early aughts (I don’t seem to remember anything), or did the internet simply give liberal race hustlers something to talk about other than their cities falling to pieces? Baltimore has wide swaths of their city which are worse than any third world country’s but all MD can ever discuss is Tucker Carlson. Makes you wonder.

Here’s the easiest bet I can make. Tucker Carlson has more black friends than any white lacrosse guy posting on these boards.

[Farfromgeneva]

And yet you can't denounce Carlson. Got it.

...so petty. Who's trolling now ?
I refuse to jump through your hoops. You don't dictate the terms of the discussion.
I'm trying to discuss what our most senior military officer is telling us about "white rage",
& what his Chiefs are telling their officers & troops they should be reading,
...not some cable news host, who you are citing as a diversion.

nope, you just can't bring yourself to separate yourself from the racist a-holes like Carlson, who are leading the right wing charge against the COS, even when its an obvious lay up...

I'm happy to discuss how Milley ripped Gaetz and the rest of these imbeciles, how and why he did so, and why he considers studying why Jan 6 to be crucial, why he thinks leaders in the military should understand history fully including parts that are uncomfortable, and why he thinks that's important to actual leadership...but only with someone who is clear about rejecting racist POS like Carlson when he steps way, way over the line.

And you're not that guy, unfortunately.

"racist a-holes like Carlson," "racist POS"... if not slanderous, not sure what is.

slander: The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.

Not false.

same for libel or libelous...gotta be false.

This should be a lay-up for anyone on here except the gator troll.
Separate yourself from Carlson's attack on Milley. Easy peasy, lay-up.

Then discuss Milley and your opinions as to why he's wrong to hold his views.

i don't watch TC enough I guess to have your sense of certainty. Even if I did, I wouldn't make the kind of statements you have on a public forum. It seems weirdly personal.

Is he actually overtly racist?... or does he say just enough to trigger those who look for racism every waking moment, such as yourself, in order to capture some moral high ground and self-righteous stance?

Try googling 'Tucker Carlson racist'; yup, well documented.
My comments are actually tame.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/09/media/ad ... index.html

https://www.wgbh.org/news/commentary/20 ... -they-want

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... -trumpism/

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/04 ... ent-theory

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... blicanism/

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... t-1154153/

I was told back in 2014 by good friends of his daughter at UVA that Carlson was just 'acting' on the show, just putting on a pose for the audience. I didn't buy it then, but understood the girls' loyalty to their pal...but as this went further and further over time and events, even their view of him changed to recognize that only a true racist could allow himself to do and say as he did, whether in public or private.

I'm sure he's a perfectly charming fellow at the local coffee shop, he was so at the sorority event I was at with my niece and our family during her graduation. Such do not reveal character, typically. I also would not be surprised if he's generous in giving to charity...some truly awful human beings do such performatively. Some might even gain satisfaction from doing something good, including balancing out their other acts. Indeed, that would reflect a comprehension that what he does hurts many people.

No thanks... all those links lead to sources about as objective/nuanced as you are.

And direct quotes and links to Carlson speaking...his own words...you can judge for yourself.

Seriously, I'd be interested in your reaction after you've done some actual investigation.

After all, it was you who challenged me as slandering Carlson.

If you ignore stupid MD you will save yourself a lot of unecessary grief... I'm starting to think you are a glutton for punishment. Your are the perfect example of why I don't listen to or read any form of cable news. Enjoy your self flagellation but try not to hurt yourself too much...

You heard the man, he is telling you to ignore him. Free pass to do so.

Feel free to take your own advice

That wouldn’t be advice proving my point. Reinforcement or clarification would work but hey we can’t all understand things.

Still a RAT

[Farfromgeneva]

cradle, we're on a Politics section of the forum, discussing the Insurrection in specific, including all the ridiculous things the right wing politicians and media are spewing as distractions to that topic.

One of those distractions is the notion that there's some sort of justifiable reaction to the social and racial justice movement, that caused Jan 6. Carlson is one of those spewing such. With an immense audience.

You're free to ignore this discussion, just as you're free to ignore the media.

But others of us are discussing what we want, thank you.

The angry old man shtick is so tired and useless. And Id driven solely. Oh my god no one has ever lost a job before or been in a declining region of the country.

There’s a saying that when everyone around you is an jerk it’s actually you who is the jerk. But that requires introspection and listening rather than hearing.

[Farfromgeneva]

cradle, we're on a Politics section of the forum, discussing the Insurrection in specific, including all the ridiculous things the right wing politicians and media are spewing as distractions to that topic... But others of us are discussing what we want, thank you.

Tucker is a favorite of White Supremacists. This is a fact. It doesn't mean he's necessarily a racist, let alone a vehement racist, but... It doesn't help his case. My experience with defining whether a person is a racist (or other types of bigots) or not is if someone is more racist than the person doing the evaluating. In other words, there's little to no objectivity in defining a racist, always subjective. With this said, though admittedly subjective, Tucker reeks of racism, reeks of bigotry. In the US, he is the currently reigning king of trolls.

My bar is “racists believe he’s on their side”…..

There are occasional exceptions. Not sure on Wagner but the Nazis bastardized Nietzsches work worse than religious zealots do to find support in his writings which would be a (rare-ish) example of an exception to that rule IMO

[Matnum PI]

Here’s the easiest bet I can make. Tucker Carlson has more black friends than any white lacrosse guy posting on these boards.

*That* is the easiest bet that you can make?

[Farfromgeneva]

Carlson consciously makes that choice.

Then, in theory, Carlson isn't a racist, he just plays one on television.

well, in theory, that could be the case...as his daughter's pals told me a half decade ago...just an act.

But I don't think one could successfully do this act without it being true to character as well. Otherwise, man, he's some 'actor' when he gets going, face red, and viciously spewing. Oscar.

But I see it as he's consciously choosing to 'be racist'. And he's ok with being a racist.

Of course, he'd deny it.

Great book, and solid job of movie form of book which is often not the case.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Night

[Farfromgeneva]

Here’s the easiest bet I can make. Tucker Carlson has more black friends than any white lacrosse guy posting on these boards.

*That* is the easiest bet that you can make?

Just feces that comes out as written format from that source.

[dislaxxic]

This newly forming Select Committee to investigate the January 6th insurrection is going to reveal a lot about the origins, and the ONGOING activity going on to overthrow the long-evolving multiracial democracy here in the US of A.

There are several veteran-centered far-right organizations out there ready to help MAGA Nation overturn the 2020 election.

it needs to be exposed. It WILL be exposed. Get ready to defend the investigation...

..

[admin]

Did white supremacy exist in the 80’s, 90’s, and early aughts (I don’t seem to remember anything), or did the internet simply give liberal race hustlers something to talk about other than their cities falling to pieces? Baltimore has wide swaths of their city which are worse than any third world country’s but all MD can ever discuss is Tucker Carlson. Makes you wonder.

Here’s the easiest bet I can make. Tucker Carlson has more black friends than any white lacrosse guy posting on these boards.

Peter, so you don't feel blind-sided, if Tucker Carlson posted within our Forum, he'd be in the Penalty Box. Look at Unsportsmanlike Conduct: Section 4d. Not because Tucker is a Conservative Republican. But because of the content he creates.

[Peter Brown]

Did white supremacy exist in the 80’s, 90’s, and early aughts (I don’t seem to remember anything), or did the internet simply give liberal race hustlers something to talk about other than their cities falling to pieces? Baltimore has wide swaths of their city which are worse than any third world country’s but all MD can ever discuss is Tucker Carlson. Makes you wonder.

Here’s the easiest bet I can make. Tucker Carlson has more black friends than any white lacrosse guy posting on these boards.

Peter, so you don't feel blind-sided, if Tucker Carlson posted within our Forum, he'd be in the Penalty Box. Look at Unsportsmanlike Conduct: Section 4d. Not because Tucker is a Conservative Republican. But because of the content he creates.

Phew. I thought the Admin was canceling me for the crime of defending Tucker. Next time I get sent to the bench, it’s nearly death penalty time unfortunately. Given that Matnum just created a special thread for me, the clicks here would dry up.

I live to see another day!!

[Farfromgeneva]

Or all the folks who’ve left would come back

[old salt]

White Rage ...in the military, to boot.

Yep. It all makes sense now. The new emerging narrative => the Jan 6th insurrection was a manifestation of White Rage.

Not surprising, when you think about it. What is surprising is that our senior military officer, who publicly scolded himself for appearing political, would be the advance element in rolling out this new narrative. Irony abounds.

[MDlaxfan76]

White Rage ...in the military, to boot.

Yep. It all makes sense now. The new emerging narrative => the Jan 6th insurrection was a manifestation of White Rage.

Not surprising, when you think about it. What is surprising is that our senior military officer, who publicly scolded himself for appearing political, would be the advance element in rolling out this new narrative. Irony abounds.

Since when is this a 'new narrative'???

Immediately when it happened, there was lots of attention to the whiteness of the mob and most particularly to the side by side waving of Confederate flags, the Auschswitz t-shirt, the QAnon shirts and banners, alongside the Trump and American flags as if all were one and the same, one huge happy family of insurrectionists. And then attention to various white supremacist groups in the vanguard.

So, yeah 'white rage' noted at the outset.

You yourself argued that the high percentage of the ex-military in the early arrested group was not likely reflective of the total rioters and shouldn't be seen as an indicator of anything, but there were concerns being expressed even then that there was an overlap in recruitment of veterans by the white supremacist/militia groups and as well that there had been expressed strategies by these groups to recruit active service members as well...you objected. All of that was in the immediate aftermath.

The concern early on (and still now) is that we were very, very close to a successful insurrection, actually supported by the military on the order of the outgoing President. We now learn that Trump was furious with Milley for not supporting this effort, just as he was furious with Barr for refuting the Big Lie. Screaming mad...how close were we? close.

So, understanding this 'white rage' and how it manifests is very serious business.