January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

[MDlaxfan76]

FTR, if you were one of the bidness owners who watched their inventory walk out the door and then watched their bidness torched...you think they give a flying fig about the assault on the capital?

Yes. You can care about both...

They 'care' about both.

The logic being peddled by Fox and McCarthy and Bannon, etc (and being perpetuated here by cradle)...is that the actual "cause" of the Jan 6 insurrection was the backlash against those "bidness" burnings. No "bidness" torching and looting and there would have been no insurrection. Implication that Jan 6 was justified.

As if ANY of those insurrectionists were those whose businesses were looted, ticked off that they weren't being heard. Nope, so far none.

Where these things are actually connected is that there's a very real backlash in America against those who want racial justice, seeing that as a threat to their place in society. They see it as a near existential threat, and are thus willing to throw aside peaceful democracy in favor of raw power that promises to protect their existing societal position.

Same fundamental reason as the belief in the Big Lie, the only way to somehow cling to a pretense in belief in American democracy while in reality dumping it in favor of raw power.

cradle,
To your point about it being 'hard' to prosecute these crimes, of course it's hard. That's the way we want the system to work (or at least should want); crimes need to be proven with evidence. We don't want people convicted with insufficient evidence. I think we're going see a ton of convictions of the insurrectionists because there's a ton of video evidence as well as social media, etc. The charges will and do differentiate among them, based on the evidence. I'm in favor of prosecuting any looters in which the evidence is similarly clear. I think there's way, way less evidence however for the police to work with on that front. But where there is, then prosecute.

The question of holding those who aided and abetted the insurrection, who incited the insurrection, is going to require evidence, video, social media, communications, testimony etc...gonna be harder than simply watching video of identified people violently breaking into the capital, beating on police, and then examining their social media and communications to see whether coordinated etc.

But yeah, the rest of us should consider an attack on our democracy as far more serious than an attack on businesses.

[cradleandshoot]

FTR, if you were one of the bidness owners who watched their inventory walk out the door and then watched their bidness torched...you think they give a flying fig about the assault on the capital?

Yes. You can care about both...

Absolutely we should care about both. One should not exclusive of the other. I'm betting that there will never again be a successful attack on the US Capital. I'm also willing to bet that looting, robbery and arson will continue on for the foreseeable future.

[dislaxxic]

THE HUNDRED-PLUS JANUARY 6 DEFENDANTS ACCUSED OF ASSAULT

How many FL posters are there on this list, i wonder??

..

[MDlaxfan76]

FTR, if you were one of the bidness owners who watched their inventory walk out the door and then watched their bidness torched...you think they give a flying fig about the assault on the capital?

Yes. You can care about both...

Absolutely we should care about both. One should not exclusive of the other. I'm betting that there will never again be a successful attack on the US Capital. I'm also willing to bet that looting, robbery and arson will continue on for the foreseeable future.

Why would you 'bet' on the first?
OAN just had a pundit say that the 'tens of thousands of illegal voters in 2020' are 'traitors' and 'should be executed'. The radicalization is accelerating, not diminishing.

Meanwhile, the GOP is brazenly changing state laws that would allow them to ignore actual votes cast and substitute the judgment of the existing GOP legislature instead...read that again, ignore actual votes cast.

Do you really think that if these efforts by the Trumpist GOP fail to overturn democracy, the radicalization response won't be violent? For that matter, if the GOP is successful do you really think that the radicalized right won't be violent to maintain that control?

[jhu72]

THE HUNDRED-PLUS JANUARY 6 DEFENDANTS ACCUSED OF ASSAULT

How many FL posters are there on this list, i wonder??

..

... I am betting they get sentences of more than 3 years probation.

[cradleandshoot]

FTR, if you were one of the bidness owners who watched their inventory walk out the door and then watched their bidness torched...you think they give a flying fig about the assault on the capital?

Yes. You can care about both...

They 'care' about both.

The logic being peddled by Fox and McCarthy and Bannon, etc (and being perpetuated here by cradle)...is that the actual "cause" of the Jan 6 insurrection was the backlash against those "bidness" burnings. No "bidness" torching and looting and there would have been no insurrection. Implication that Jan 6 was justified.

As if ANY of those insurrectionists were those whose businesses were looted, ticked off that they weren't being heard. Nope, so far none.

Where these things are actually connected is that there's a very real backlash in America against those who want racial justice, seeing that as a threat to their place in society. They see it as a near existential threat, and are thus willing to throw aside peaceful democracy in favor of raw power that promises to protect their existing societal position.

Same fundamental reason as the belief in the Big Lie, the only way to somehow cling to a pretense in belief in American democracy while in reality dumping it in favor of raw power.

cradle,
To your point about it being 'hard' to prosecute these crimes, of course it's hard. That's the way we want the system to work (or at least should want); crimes need to be proven with evidence. We don't want people convicted with insufficient evidence. I think we're going see a ton of convictions of the insurrectionists because there's a ton of video evidence as well as social media, etc. The charges will and do differentiate among them, based on the evidence. I'm in favor of prosecuting any looters in which the evidence is similarly clear. I think there's way, way less evidence however for the police to work with on that front. But where there is, then prosecute.

The question of holding those who aided and abetted the insurrection, who incited the insurrection, is going to require evidence, video, social media, communications, testimony etc...gonna be harder thhan simply watching video of identified people violently breaking into the capital, beating on police, and then examining their social media and communications to see whether coordinated etc.

But yeah, the rest of us should consider an attack on our democracy as far more serious than an attack on businesses.

The DA in NYS dropped almost all of the charges against the people accused of looting, robbery and vandalism during the riots in NYC. The reasoning being after all the many hours spent by the NYPD gathering evidence they didn't think they could convict. The same problem faces the DA prosecuting the capital protesters. They have to convince a jury of 12 people. IMO there will be a whole lot of plea deals being made.

[cradleandshoot]

FTR, if you were one of the bidness owners who watched their inventory walk out the door and then watched their bidness torched...you think they give a flying fig about the assault on the capital?

Yes. You can care about both...

Absolutely we should care about both. One should not exclusive of the other. I'm betting that there will never again be a successful attack on the US Capital. I'm also willing to bet that looting, robbery and arson will continue on for the foreseeable future.

Why would you 'bet' on the first?
OAN just had a pundit say that the 'tens of thousands of illegal voters in 2020' are 'traitors' and 'should be executed'. The radicalization is accelerating, not diminishing.

Meanwhile, the GOP is brazenly changing state laws that would allow them to ignore actual votes cast and substitute the judgment of the existing GOP legislature instead...read that again, ignore actual votes cast.

Do you really think that if these efforts by the Trumpist GOP fail to overturn democracy, the radicalization response won't be violent? For that matter, if the GOP is successful do you really think that the radicalized right won't be violent to maintain that control?

What is their game plan? IMO they shot their wad with the capital protest. You seem to think the FR extremists have plans to protest on the streets every day like Antifa. I don't see that sort of dedication to the cause at all.

[Typical Lax Dad]

FTR, if you were one of the bidness owners who watched their inventory walk out the door and then watched their bidness torched...you think they give a flying fig about the assault on the capital?

Yes. You can care about both...

They 'care' about both.

The logic being peddled by Fox and McCarthy and Bannon, etc (and being perpetuated here by cradle)...is that the actual "cause" of the Jan 6 insurrection was the backlash against those "bidness" burnings. No "bidness" torching and looting and there would have been no insurrection. Implication that Jan 6 was justified.

As if ANY of those insurrectionists were those whose businesses were looted, ticked off that they weren't being heard. Nope, so far none.

Where these things are actually connected is that there's a very real backlash in America against those who want racial justice, seeing that as a threat to their place in society. They see it as a near existential threat, and are thus willing to throw aside peaceful democracy in favor of raw power that promises to protect their existing societal position.

Same fundamental reason as the belief in the Big Lie, the only way to somehow cling to a pretense in belief in American democracy while in reality dumping it in favor of raw power.

cradle,
To your point about it being 'hard' to prosecute these crimes, of course it's hard. That's the way we want the system to work (or at least should want); crimes need to be proven with evidence. We don't want people convicted with insufficient evidence. I think we're going see a ton of convictions of the insurrectionists because there's a ton of video evidence as well as social media, etc. The charges will and do differentiate among them, based on the evidence. I'm in favor of prosecuting any looters in which the evidence is similarly clear. I think there's way, way less evidence however for the police to work with on that front. But where there is, then prosecute.

The question of holding those who aided and abetted the insurrection, who incited the insurrection, is going to require evidence, video, social media, communications, testimony etc...gonna be harder thhan simply watching video of identified people violently breaking into the capital, beating on police, and then examining their social media and communications to see whether coordinated etc.

But yeah, the rest of us should consider an attack on our democracy as far more serious than an attack on businesses.

The DA in NYS dropped almost all of the charges against the people accused of looting, robbery and vandalism during the riots in NYC. The reasoning being after all the many hours spent by the NYPD gathering evidence they didn't think they could convict. The same problem faces the DA prosecuting the capital protesters. They have to convince a jury of 12 people. IMO there will be a whole lot of plea deals being made.

I figured it would be something along those lines. My guess is those charges highly likely to lead to a conviction will be pursued. Defense attorneys probably told their clients to hold firm and not take a plea deal.

[Matnum PI]

IMO they shot their wad with the capital protest. You seem to think the FR extremists have plans to protest on the streets every day like Antifa. I don't see that sort of dedication to the cause at all.

I'd be astounded if the FR is done.

[MDlaxfan76]

FTR, if you were one of the bidness owners who watched their inventory walk out the door and then watched their bidness torched...you think they give a flying fig about the assault on the capital?

Yes. You can care about both...

They 'care' about both.

The logic being peddled by Fox and McCarthy and Bannon, etc (and being perpetuated here by cradle)...is that the actual "cause" of the Jan 6 insurrection was the backlash against those "bidness" burnings. No "bidness" torching and looting and there would have been no insurrection. Implication that Jan 6 was justified.

As if ANY of those insurrectionists were those whose businesses were looted, ticked off that they weren't being heard. Nope, so far none.

Where these things are actually connected is that there's a very real backlash in America against those who want racial justice, seeing that as a threat to their place in society. They see it as a near existential threat, and are thus willing to throw aside peaceful democracy in favor of raw power that promises to protect their existing societal position.

Same fundamental reason as the belief in the Big Lie, the only way to somehow cling to a pretense in belief in American democracy while in reality dumping it in favor of raw power.

cradle,
To your point about it being 'hard' to prosecute these crimes, of course it's hard. That's the way we want the system to work (or at least should want); crimes need to be proven with evidence. We don't want people convicted with insufficient evidence. I think we're going see a ton of convictions of the insurrectionists because there's a ton of video evidence as well as social media, etc. The charges will and do differentiate among them, based on the evidence. I'm in favor of prosecuting any looters in which the evidence is similarly clear. I think there's way, way less evidence however for the police to work with on that front. But where there is, then prosecute.

The question of holding those who aided and abetted the insurrection, who incited the insurrection, is going to require evidence, video, social media, communications, testimony etc...gonna be harder thhan simply watching video of identified people violently breaking into the capital, beating on police, and then examining their social media and communications to see whether coordinated etc.

But yeah, the rest of us should consider an attack on our democracy as far more serious than an attack on businesses.

The DA in NYS dropped almost all of the charges against the people accused of looting, robbery and vandalism during the riots in NYC. The reasoning being after all the many hours spent by the NYPD gathering evidence they didn't think they could convict. The same problem faces the DA prosecuting the capital protesters. They have to convince a jury of 12 people. IMO there will be a whole lot of plea deals being made.

Certainly makes it easier to 'convict' if people plea out. No argument there.
But what we seem to have so far is two groups, those who admit what they did was wrong, perhaps that they were deluded by the President and others, and ask for a lesser sentence and those who are defiant and say they were justified and would do it again...the latter are going to be the serious cases. And the prosecutors will not back off on those, I predict.

But I think the challenge will not be as difficult in the DC cases for two reasons, the evidence will be very clear and the jury pool is unlikely to be nutcases who would vote not guilty for political reasons. Possible, but very few such exist in DC proper.

I think one could conversely suggest that the evidence will be much more spotty in say NY, given the lack of really good video. And the jury pool may be more likely to have a contrary member...that said, the recent election for Dem Mayor candidate suggests that a whole lot of the Dem side wants "safety" along with "justice" and thus may well want the most egregious looters held to account. So, I think we'll see the charges stick on those the prosecutors go forward on...they'll have the evidence to make them stick and drop the rest.

[MDlaxfan76]

FTR, if you were one of the bidness owners who watched their inventory walk out the door and then watched their bidness torched...you think they give a flying fig about the assault on the capital?

Yes. You can care about both...

Absolutely we should care about both. One should not exclusive of the other. I'm betting that there will never again be a successful attack on the US Capital. I'm also willing to bet that looting, robbery and arson will continue on for the foreseeable future.

Why would you 'bet' on the first?
OAN just had a pundit say that the 'tens of thousands of illegal voters in 2020' are 'traitors' and 'should be executed'. The radicalization is accelerating, not diminishing.

Meanwhile, the GOP is brazenly changing state laws that would allow them to ignore actual votes cast and substitute the judgment of the existing GOP legislature instead...read that again, ignore actual votes cast.

Do you really think that if these efforts by the Trumpist GOP fail to overturn democracy, the radicalization response won't be violent? For that matter, if the GOP is successful do you really think that the radicalized right won't be violent to maintain that control?

What is their game plan? IMO they shot their wad with the capital protest. You seem to think the FR extremists have plans to protest on the streets every day like Antifa. I don't see that sort of dedication to the cause at all.

First of all, "Antifa" is not primarily who was on the streets, nor leading, in most of the protests in the US last summer, the largest civil rights protests in the US, ever, and simultaneously sparking the largest civil rights protests around the world, ever.

The violence was sporadic, though highly destructive. But it was a very small subset of what was occurring. And what was really occurring scares the bejeebus out of a huge part of the white American electorate. Whites marching with black and brown for justice...

Back to the right wing extremists, sure, I don't think we're likely to soon see widespread violent protests akin to Jan 6 and Michigan etc, not while they are being successful in securing their societal position and political control through the sorts of changes I described where they can literally ignore voters. They believe these efforts are going to be successful.

Game plan? they are focused on school board recalls all under the specious accusation of Critical Race Theory etc. Recall votes, grassroots organizing, all based on white racial resentment and fear. "white rage". Drummed up and organized by the right wing media, guys like Bannon, and the GOP proper. They are showing up, howling, at school board meetings, they're demanding that teachers wear body cameras so that they can be monitored for whether they mention "Tulsa Massacre" etc..."too divisive"...

Bannon says this strategy is all about creating the next "Tea Party" style movement which helped with their mid-term turnout.

Trump is going on the campaign trail this coming week. All about "Take Back America"...what's the percentage of R's who believe the election was actually stolen, that Trump is actually the rightful President???

They're not done, because they see this as existential...whether this is conscious (the manipulators of this backlash) or unconscious, it's a huge movement.

[cradleandshoot]

FTR, if you were one of the bidness owners who watched their inventory walk out the door and then watched their bidness torched...you think they give a flying fig about the assault on the capital?

Yes. You can care about both...

Absolutely we should care about both. One should not exclusive of the other. I'm betting that there will never again be a successful attack on the US Capital. I'm also willing to bet that looting, robbery and arson will continue on for the foreseeable future.

Why would you 'bet' on the first?
OAN just had a pundit say that the 'tens of thousands of illegal voters in 2020' are 'traitors' and 'should be executed'. The radicalization is accelerating, not diminishing.

Meanwhile, the GOP is brazenly changing state laws that would allow them to ignore actual votes cast and substitute the judgment of the existing GOP legislature instead...read that again, ignore actual votes cast.

Do you really think that if these efforts by the Trumpist GOP fail to overturn democracy, the radicalization response won't be violent? For that matter, if the GOP is successful do you really think that the radicalized right won't be violent to maintain that control?

What is their game plan? IMO they shot their wad with the capital protest. You seem to think the FR extremists have plans to protest on the streets every day like Antifa. I don't see that sort of dedication to the cause at all.

First of all, "Antifa" is not primarily who was on the streets, nor leading, in most of the protests in the US last summer, the largest civil rights protests in the US, ever, and simultaneously sparking the largest civil rights protests around the world, ever.

The violence was sporadic, though highly destructive. But it was a very small subset of what was occurring. And what was really occurring scares the bejeebus out of a huge part of the white American electorate. Whites marching with black and brown for justice...

Back to the right wing extremists, sure, I don't think we're likely to soon see widespread violent protests akin to Jan 6 and Michigan etc, not while they are being successful in securing their societal position and political control through the sorts of changes I described where they can literally ignore voters. They believe these efforts are going to be successful.

Game plan? they are focused on school board recalls all under the specious accusation of Critical Race Theory etc. Recall votes, grassroots organizing, all based on white racial resentment and fear. "white rage". Drummed up and organized by the right wing media, guys like Bannon, and the GOP proper. They are showing up, howling, at school board meetings, they're demanding that teachers wear body cameras so that they can be monitored for whether they mention "Tulsa Massacre" etc..."too divisive"...

Bannon says this strategy is all about creating the next "Tea Party" style movement which helped with their mid-term turnout.

Trump is going on the campaign trail this coming week. All about "Take Back America"...what's the percentage of R's who believe the election was actually stolen, that Trump is actually the rightful President???

They're not done, because they see this as existential...whether this is conscious (the manipulators of this backlash) or unconscious, it's a huge movement.

So I go back to my original point
If your the store owner who watched his inventory walk out the door and then watched while his business was burned to the ground... those were not FRC dumpster people dojing that. Oddly enough way too many of the folks on this forum just pass over that like it never even happened. Many of these store owners lost every penny they ever had. Where is your empathy for them? The protest at the capital has changed security there forever. That is not the case for the poor store owner that went out of business. Stunning it is the lack of understanding and empathy for so many people that lost everything they had from the FLP elitists on this forum. I always thought all of you were on the side of all the common folks. I guess I was wrong about that.

[Peter Brown]

FTR, if you were one of the bidness owners who watched their inventory walk out the door and then watched their bidness torched...you think they give a flying fig about the assault on the capital?

Yes. You can care about both...

Absolutely we should care about both. One should not exclusive of the other. I'm betting that there will never again be a successful attack on the US Capital. I'm also willing to bet that looting, robbery and arson will continue on for the foreseeable future.

Why would you 'bet' on the first?
OAN just had a pundit say that the 'tens of thousands of illegal voters in 2020' are 'traitors' and 'should be executed'. The radicalization is accelerating, not diminishing.

Meanwhile, the GOP is brazenly changing state laws that would allow them to ignore actual votes cast and substitute the judgment of the existing GOP legislature instead...read that again, ignore actual votes cast.

Do you really think that if these efforts by the Trumpist GOP fail to overturn democracy, the radicalization response won't be violent? For that matter, if the GOP is successful do you really think that the radicalized right won't be violent to maintain that control?

What is their game plan? IMO they shot their wad with the capital protest. You seem to think the FR extremists have plans to protest on the streets every day like Antifa. I don't see that sort of dedication to the cause at all.

First of all, "Antifa" is not primarily who was on the streets, nor leading, in most of the protests in the US last summer, the largest civil rights protests in the US, ever, and simultaneously sparking the largest civil rights protests around the world, ever.

The violence was sporadic, though highly destructive. But it was a very small subset of what was occurring. And what was really occurring scares the bejeebus out of a huge part of the white American electorate. Whites marching with black and brown for justice...

Back to the right wing extremists, sure, I don't think we're likely to soon see widespread violent protests akin to Jan 6 and Michigan etc, not while they are being successful in securing their societal position and political control through the sorts of changes I described where they can literally ignore voters. They believe these efforts are going to be successful.

Game plan? they are focused on school board recalls all under the specious accusation of Critical Race Theory etc. Recall votes, grassroots organizing, all based on white racial resentment and fear. "white rage". Drummed up and organized by the right wing media, guys like Bannon, and the GOP proper. They are showing up, howling, at school board meetings, they're demanding that teachers wear body cameras so that they can be monitored for whether they mention "Tulsa Massacre" etc..."too divisive"...

Bannon says this strategy is all about creating the next "Tea Party" style movement which helped with their mid-term turnout.

Trump is going on the campaign trail this coming week. All about "Take Back America"...what's the percentage of R's who believe the election was actually stolen, that Trump is actually the rightful President???

They're not done, because they see this as existential...whether this is conscious (the manipulators of this backlash) or unconscious, it's a huge movement.

So I go back to my original point
If your the store owner who watched his inventory walk out the door and then watched while his business was burned to the ground... those were not FRC dumpster people dojing that. Oddly enough way too many of the folks on this forum just pass over that like it never even happened. Many of these store owners lost every penny they ever had. Where is your empathy for them? The protest at the capital has changed security there forever. That is not the case for the poor store owner that went out of business. Stunning it is the lack of understanding and empathy for so many people that lost everything they had from the FLP elitists on this forum. I always thought all of you were on the side of all the common folks. I guess I was wrong about that.

+1

Excellent post

[old salt]

The bill is past due for the National Guard guarding the lamposts of DC last winter.
Weekend drills & annual 2 wk active duty training periods for Aug & Sep are in jeopardy.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/202 ... 70382.html

National Guard readiness will suffer if funds for Capitol security are not restored, Army secretary says

WASHINGTON — The National Guard’s ability to train will take a hit if $450 million spent to provide security to the Capitol after the Jan. 6 riot is not recouped, the Army’s top civilian leader told senators Tuesday.

“If we are not able to cover that [bill] right now, the Army Guard is basically in a situation where they are concerned about their ability to pay for training for the rest of this year,” Army Secretary Christine Wormuth said during a budget hearing of the Senate Appropriations Committee’s subpanel for defense.

Aviation and ground vehicle readiness at Guard units across the country will be affected if the money is not returned, Wormuth said. Training exercises have already been pushed back due to National Guard deployments to the U.S.-Mexico border and the Capitol, as well as missions in response to the coronavirus pandemic, she added.

“All of that regularly scheduled training has been postponed and now is at risk of not being able to be funded, and so it's definitely a concern and something that will impact our Guard all around the nation,” Wormuth said.

Subcommittee Chairman Jon Tester, D-Mont., said he is “getting nervous” over the odds of a supplemental appropriations bill’s approval that would provide $1.9 billion for the costs incurred to defend the Capitol.

Immediately after the deadly riot, there were as many as 26,000 Guard troops in Washington to support federal law enforcement agencies with security, communications, medical evacuations, logistics and safety. The last of the Guard troops deployed to Washington — a force of about 2,300 personnel — returned home May 23.

The security funding bill includes $200 million for the District of Columbia Air National Guard to create a quick-reaction force of service members ready to respond to threats on Capitol Hill.

Tester asked Gen. James McConville, the Army chief of staff, at the Tuesday hearing if he supports the proposal and if he thinks it is appropriate for the Army.

“Law enforcement should be conducted by law enforcement agencies and the military should be the last resort when it comes to law enforcement,” McConville said.

Specifically, the provision would create “a ground force equivalent of the 113th Wing within the District of Columbia Air National Guard at Joint Base Andrews” in Maryland, which protects Washington’s regional airspace.

Retired Brig. Gen. J. Roy Robinson and retired Maj. Gen. Michael McGuire, the National Guard Association’s president and chairman, said in a statement at the time that the proposal was announced that they did not support the move.

Such a unit “would be another personnel-intensive requirement on our force as well as a detractor from the Guard’s main mission of serving as the primary reserve of the Army and Air Force,” they said.

[MDlaxfan76]

FTR, if you were one of the bidness owners who watched their inventory walk out the door and then watched their bidness torched...you think they give a flying fig about the assault on the capital?

Yes. You can care about both...

Absolutely we should care about both. One should not exclusive of the other. I'm betting that there will never again be a successful attack on the US Capital. I'm also willing to bet that looting, robbery and arson will continue on for the foreseeable future.

Why would you 'bet' on the first?
OAN just had a pundit say that the 'tens of thousands of illegal voters in 2020' are 'traitors' and 'should be executed'. The radicalization is accelerating, not diminishing.

Meanwhile, the GOP is brazenly changing state laws that would allow them to ignore actual votes cast and substitute the judgment of the existing GOP legislature instead...read that again, ignore actual votes cast.

Do you really think that if these efforts by the Trumpist GOP fail to overturn democracy, the radicalization response won't be violent? For that matter, if the GOP is successful do you really think that the radicalized right won't be violent to maintain that control?

What is their game plan? IMO they shot their wad with the capital protest. You seem to think the FR extremists have plans to protest on the streets every day like Antifa. I don't see that sort of dedication to the cause at all.

First of all, "Antifa" is not primarily who was on the streets, nor leading, in most of the protests in the US last summer, the largest civil rights protests in the US, ever, and simultaneously sparking the largest civil rights protests around the world, ever.

The violence was sporadic, though highly destructive. But it was a very small subset of what was occurring. And what was really occurring scares the bejeebus out of a huge part of the white American electorate. Whites marching with black and brown for justice...

Back to the right wing extremists, sure, I don't think we're likely to soon see widespread violent protests akin to Jan 6 and Michigan etc, not while they are being successful in securing their societal position and political control through the sorts of changes I described where they can literally ignore voters. They believe these efforts are going to be successful.

Game plan? they are focused on school board recalls all under the specious accusation of Critical Race Theory etc. Recall votes, grassroots organizing, all based on white racial resentment and fear. "white rage". Drummed up and organized by the right wing media, guys like Bannon, and the GOP proper. They are showing up, howling, at school board meetings, they're demanding that teachers wear body cameras so that they can be monitored for whether they mention "Tulsa Massacre" etc..."too divisive"...

Bannon says this strategy is all about creating the next "Tea Party" style movement which helped with their mid-term turnout.

Trump is going on the campaign trail this coming week. All about "Take Back America"...what's the percentage of R's who believe the election was actually stolen, that Trump is actually the rightful President???

They're not done, because they see this as existential...whether this is conscious (the manipulators of this backlash) or unconscious, it's a huge movement.

So I go back to my original point
If your the store owner who watched his inventory walk out the door and then watched while his business was burned to the ground... those were not FRC dumpster people dojing that. Oddly enough way too many of the folks on this forum just pass over that like it never even happened. Many of these store owners lost every penny they ever had. Where is your empathy for them? The protest at the capital has changed security there forever. That is not the case for the poor store owner that went out of business. Stunning it is the lack of understanding and empathy for so many people that lost everything they had from the FLP elitists on this forum. I always thought all of you were on the side of all the common folks. I guess I was wrong about that.

You assume this lack of empathy, but have no basis for that claim.

Pretty simple, really, we can empathize with the store owner at the same time we empathize with the capitol policeman overwhelmed and beaten by a mob. It's not an either/or, never has been.

This thread, however, is not about the store owner, thus you'll see little on that topic on this thread. Unless it's from those seeking to conflate the concerns, in order to deflect from the reality of an actual insurrection against democracy.

But hey, you got a plus 1 from the troll, so there's that.

[old salt]

White Rage ...in the military, to boot.

https://www.navytimes.com/military-hono ... de-unrest/

[MDlaxfan76]

White Rage ...in the military, to boot.

Not sure what you are referring to?

If referring to Milley's comment, he was speaking specifically to wanting to understand the "white rage" expressed on Jan 6.

[old salt]

White Rage ...in the military, to boot.

Not sure what you are referring to?

If referring to Milley's comment, he was speaking specifically to wanting to understand the "white rage" expressed on Jan 6.

It was part of his testimony when he was defending the book under question on the CNO's recommended reading list.

[MDlaxfan76]

White Rage ...in the military, to boot.

Not sure what you are referring to?

If referring to Milley's comment, he was speaking specifically to wanting to understand the "white rage" expressed on Jan 6.

Ahhh, I see you posted a link to an incident of racial violence in what year?

[MDlaxfan76]

White Rage ...in the military, to boot.

Not sure what you are referring to?

If referring to Milley's comment, he was speaking specifically to wanting to understand the "white rage" expressed on Jan 6.

It was part of his testimony when he was defending the book under question on the CNO's recommended reading list.

Actually, he was asked whether he wanted to respond to the question put to Secretary Austin from Gaetz regarding the teaching of Critical Race Theory in the military, including West Point. He'd indicated a desire to speak to it, but Gaetz wouldn't let him speak. He was some pissed off. Ripped Gaetz pretty good as they say.

His comment about wanting to learn about 'white rage' was specific to Jan 6.

Neither of them was defending any particular book or theory, as Milley said, he's read Marx but that doesn't make him a communist either...being well read helps an officer understand the issues and culture better, so as to be a better leader...which he wants to do and expects other officers to do.