Brecht, like several other coaches, has realized that recruiting doesn't stop once a player enters college. He is, as you say, doing his job.keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:20 pmSo if Brecht doesn't bring transfers in, and his team is worse than what it could have been, is he doing his job?
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My point is that NY kids don't "stay home" either. Maybe because there's no "flagship" SUNY, but I don't really think it's fair to Brecht for people to expect NJ kids will necessarily end up at Rutgers, when the results in NY are what they are.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:10 pmCan’t compare the flagship in a state vs the NY system where the intentionally spread the resources across the four SUNY centers to more properly allow the subsidy to flow to in state residents as opposed to the non Cali extreme examples like PSU, UVA, Mich, UT, etc where resources historically were disproportionately skewed towards one (maybe two if you want to count VaTech, Mich St, UPitt but then it slides fast downhill in those states).nyjay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:05 pmThe problem isn't unique to New Jersey. It's not all that different in New York. Yes, Albany's had a couple of runs, but NY kids don't stay home either. What's the best undergrad of the SUNY schools? Binghamton, I think. And how's that program been? I guess I'd say that given the amount of talent in NY (including LI), Rutgers does comparatively much better than the SUNY schools.jerseyjames wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:18 pmIt's not BB's fault, lots of NJ kids (parents) scoff at Rutgers, it's never in the conversation, especially the privates. BB has no choice but to go out of state and to the portal, look at all the success he has had with the Utah boys, Georgia, Texas, the pacific NW, etc and now the transfers. The only way to change the minds of the parents of NJ's "elites" is to become a year in and year out National Championship contenter and I still don't know if that will be enough. Not a BB problem, a state and the way RU is viewed by all in state problem.AOD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:37 amNJ HS players go elsewhere anyway. It amazes me how poorly BB has fared in luring NJ recruits during his tenure. RU has much to offer at nearly half the price of its out of state competition. Of course, BB's conference record at RU could be the cause as well.backerzone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:03 pmOr see that BB brings in portal guys every year and go elsewhere.
Oh also when was the last time you saw Rutgers players in the portal, not many... Especially those of impact caliber
Fixed Binghamton for you as well (my hometown).
Strictly a typo on Binghampton -that's where I have to mail my quarterly estimated taxes, so I'm sadly aware of the correct spelling. It is the western most of the Hamptons - Westhampton? No. BINGhampton.
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Well, Schiano gets football players to "stay home" and Pikiell gets basketball players to "stay home", so why should lacrosse be different? And, BB has a distinct advantage not available to Schiano or Pikiell. BB can assure NJ players their cost of attendance will be less than every out of state alternative. Wrestling and Women's Soccer have used this angle to recruit some of the best players in the nation.nyjay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:25 pmMy point is that NY kids don't "stay home" either. Maybe because there's no "flagship" SUNY, but I don't really think it's fair to Brecht for people to expect NJ kids will necessarily end up at Rutgers, when the results in NY are what they are.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:10 pmCan’t compare the flagship in a state vs the NY system where the intentionally spread the resources across the four SUNY centers to more properly allow the subsidy to flow to in state residents as opposed to the non Cali extreme examples like PSU, UVA, Mich, UT, etc where resources historically were disproportionately skewed towards one (maybe two if you want to count VaTech, Mich St, UPitt but then it slides fast downhill in those states).nyjay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:05 pmThe problem isn't unique to New Jersey. It's not all that different in New York. Yes, Albany's had a couple of runs, but NY kids don't stay home either. What's the best undergrad of the SUNY schools? Binghamton, I think. And how's that program been? I guess I'd say that given the amount of talent in NY (including LI), Rutgers does comparatively much better than the SUNY schools.jerseyjames wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:18 pmIt's not BB's fault, lots of NJ kids (parents) scoff at Rutgers, it's never in the conversation, especially the privates. BB has no choice but to go out of state and to the portal, look at all the success he has had with the Utah boys, Georgia, Texas, the pacific NW, etc and now the transfers. The only way to change the minds of the parents of NJ's "elites" is to become a year in and year out National Championship contenter and I still don't know if that will be enough. Not a BB problem, a state and the way RU is viewed by all in state problem.AOD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:37 amNJ HS players go elsewhere anyway. It amazes me how poorly BB has fared in luring NJ recruits during his tenure. RU has much to offer at nearly half the price of its out of state competition. Of course, BB's conference record at RU could be the cause as well.backerzone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:03 pmOr see that BB brings in portal guys every year and go elsewhere.
Oh also when was the last time you saw Rutgers players in the portal, not many... Especially those of impact caliber
Fixed Binghamton for you as well (my hometown).
Strictly a typo on Binghampton -that's where I have to mail my quarterly estimated taxes, so I'm sadly aware of the correct spelling. It is the western most of the Hamptons - Westhampton? No. BINGhampton.
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You missed the point. The point was that lacrosse has spread throughout the State so much so that NJ high schools send more lacrosse players to college than every state but NY. And, quality lacrosse players are playing on teams throughout the State, not just in the affluent North Jersey towns you claim have no interest in RU. BB can find quality players anywhere and among that cohort he can find players who will be enticed by the cost of attendance. It's frankly silly to dismiss the recruiting opportunities present in NJ by claiming that affluence renders all recruits immune to cost considerations.jerseyjames wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:56 amNo doubt BB needs to do a better job with FOGO's and Goalies for that matter, those have been his bugaboo's since day 1. But as to your points about UVA and UMD especially paired with the affluent statement its pretty laughable, you must not be from NJ. From UVA 2 went to the Lawrenceville School, one from Princeton and the other from Rumson... (neither of those towns are SJ and neither would ever consider RU) and then the third is from Shawnee, a rich Philly suburb that has long been a lacrosse hot bed, again not really a RU demo and honestly those people ID with Philly more then NJ. UMD pretty much the same story you had a Shawnee, St. Augustine, Montgomery/Princeton and the only one I would give you is Allentown but the kid was a UMass Lowell transfer, everyone missed on the kid...AOD wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:45 amThat's an overgeneralization that excuses BB without truly addressing the issue. Lacrosse is no longer the sport of the affluent in NJ. It's found it's way into most communities in the State - so much so that NJ sends more lacrosse players to college than every state but NY. An unfortunate fact of today's modern education system is that many families must borrow to send their student to college. This includes NJ lacrosse players. And this is where RU has a distinct advantage in terms of cost to attend.InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:35 amIt’s a pretty affluent state, the best lacrosse is generally in north Jersey. A lot of, not all, the families from that area probably feel they are above Rutgers. It’s unfortunate but a part of reality.keno in reno wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:28 amThis is a phenomenon much bigger than 1 lacrosse coach. Much like Canadian Geese or the Swallows of Capistrano, Jersey kids graduate HS and get the hell out of the state for college. Out of state tuition is no problem. "Southern" schools from Delaware, Maryland, VA all the way down to Florida welcome their parents' money and the schools become Little Manhattans every year. Just the way it is.AOD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:37 amNJ HS players go elsewhere anyway. It amazes me how poorly BB has fared in luring NJ recruits during his tenure. RU has much to offer at nearly half the price of its out of state competition. Of course, BB's conference record at RU could be the cause as well.backerzone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:03 pmOr see that BB brings in portal guys every year and go elsewhere.
Focusing on northern NJ and ignoring southern NJ is a mistake. Maryland's 2017 championship team had 4 players from southern NJ on its roster (including 2 starters) and none from northern NJ. UVa's 2019 championship team had three players from southern NJ on its roster and 1 from northern NJ. Fine lacrosse players can be found throughout the State.
An simple and obvious truth about RU lacrosse is the sub-par play of their FOGOs. Yet, year after year NJ produces some of the best FOGOs in the nation. BB needs to identify those players when they're in the local high schools. BB must do better with in-state recruiting.
I really don't see the issue, he's getting Jersey kids where he can, if you look at the rosters its mostly Central Jersey kids, not North or South. Recruiting is a numbers game and a time game, BB and Co. can't be wasting time with kids from families who will never consider RU, to be honest I believe BB doesn't even waste much time with North Jersey as he knows they are looking out of state, BB knows there are plenty of elite out of state kids who would love the chance to play at RU. Hopefully if the success is sustained things may change but he has supplanted the lack of being able to attract elite NJ talent with elite out of state talent and transfers which seems to be working just fine.
Also who is an elite NJ player from a blue collar SJ town, the only one I can think of is Cole at St. Joes and again we addressed how bad he is at IDing FOGOs. Not trying to be down on SJ lacrosse its come along way as you said lots of "fine" players but fine players go to Stockton, not RU
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I think you are missing the point, football and basketball are offering full rides for number 1 and 2 cost of attendance is not a huge an issue, lots of lacrosse players are looking for more prestigious universities, that's why Nova, Lehigh and to a lesser talent extent Lafayette all are seen as more attractive destinations. Rutgers does not move the needle in NJ, not just a lacrosse thing but as a University in state, as someone pointed out earlier RU is the backup plan for a decent amount of the students on campus.AOD wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:48 amYou missed the point. The point was that lacrosse has spread throughout the State so much so that NJ high schools send more lacrosse players to college than every state but NY. And, quality lacrosse players are playing on teams throughout the State, not just in the affluent North Jersey towns you claim have no interest in RU. BB can find quality players anywhere and among that cohort he can find players who will be enticed by the cost of attendance. It's frankly silly to dismiss the recruiting opportunities present in NJ by claiming that affluence renders all recruits immune to cost considerations.jerseyjames wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:56 amNo doubt BB needs to do a better job with FOGO's and Goalies for that matter, those have been his bugaboo's since day 1. But as to your points about UVA and UMD especially paired with the affluent statement its pretty laughable, you must not be from NJ. From UVA 2 went to the Lawrenceville School, one from Princeton and the other from Rumson... (neither of those towns are SJ and neither would ever consider RU) and then the third is from Shawnee, a rich Philly suburb that has long been a lacrosse hot bed, again not really a RU demo and honestly those people ID with Philly more then NJ. UMD pretty much the same story you had a Shawnee, St. Augustine, Montgomery/Princeton and the only one I would give you is Allentown but the kid was a UMass Lowell transfer, everyone missed on the kid...AOD wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:45 amThat's an overgeneralization that excuses BB without truly addressing the issue. Lacrosse is no longer the sport of the affluent in NJ. It's found it's way into most communities in the State - so much so that NJ sends more lacrosse players to college than every state but NY. An unfortunate fact of today's modern education system is that many families must borrow to send their student to college. This includes NJ lacrosse players. And this is where RU has a distinct advantage in terms of cost to attend.InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:35 amIt’s a pretty affluent state, the best lacrosse is generally in north Jersey. A lot of, not all, the families from that area probably feel they are above Rutgers. It’s unfortunate but a part of reality.keno in reno wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:28 amThis is a phenomenon much bigger than 1 lacrosse coach. Much like Canadian Geese or the Swallows of Capistrano, Jersey kids graduate HS and get the hell out of the state for college. Out of state tuition is no problem. "Southern" schools from Delaware, Maryland, VA all the way down to Florida welcome their parents' money and the schools become Little Manhattans every year. Just the way it is.AOD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:37 amNJ HS players go elsewhere anyway. It amazes me how poorly BB has fared in luring NJ recruits during his tenure. RU has much to offer at nearly half the price of its out of state competition. Of course, BB's conference record at RU could be the cause as well.backerzone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:03 pmOr see that BB brings in portal guys every year and go elsewhere.
Focusing on northern NJ and ignoring southern NJ is a mistake. Maryland's 2017 championship team had 4 players from southern NJ on its roster (including 2 starters) and none from northern NJ. UVa's 2019 championship team had three players from southern NJ on its roster and 1 from northern NJ. Fine lacrosse players can be found throughout the State.
An simple and obvious truth about RU lacrosse is the sub-par play of their FOGOs. Yet, year after year NJ produces some of the best FOGOs in the nation. BB needs to identify those players when they're in the local high schools. BB must do better with in-state recruiting.
I really don't see the issue, he's getting Jersey kids where he can, if you look at the rosters its mostly Central Jersey kids, not North or South. Recruiting is a numbers game and a time game, BB and Co. can't be wasting time with kids from families who will never consider RU, to be honest I believe BB doesn't even waste much time with North Jersey as he knows they are looking out of state, BB knows there are plenty of elite out of state kids who would love the chance to play at RU. Hopefully if the success is sustained things may change but he has supplanted the lack of being able to attract elite NJ talent with elite out of state talent and transfers which seems to be working just fine.
Also who is an elite NJ player from a blue collar SJ town, the only one I can think of is Cole at St. Joes and again we addressed how bad he is at IDing FOGOs. Not trying to be down on SJ lacrosse its come along way as you said lots of "fine" players but fine players go to Stockton, not RU
Again BB isn't look to add quality players to compete where he had the team this year he needs elite players, which is why he is going to the portal and out of state talent. The elite NJ players come out of Delbarton, Seton Hall Prep, Summit, Mt Lakes, Ridgewood etc. The one kid who Ty Xanders, I know this is leading down another path about his evaluating merits, dubbed the biggest recruit in program history is a '22 Bridgewater kid which is a program they have done historically well with, which is also the same program that 1 of their 2 naturally recruited NJ starting player came from this year, 88 Russo.
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This conversation has probably run its course. But theres no getting around the fact that Rutgers is not a first choice institution for big time lacrosse recruits.jerseyjames wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:53 pmI think you are missing the point, football and basketball are offering full rides for number 1 and 2 cost of attendance is not a huge an issue, lots of lacrosse players are looking for more prestigious universities, that's why Nova, Lehigh and to a lesser talent extent Lafayette all are seen as more attractive destinations. Rutgers does not move the needle in NJ, not just a lacrosse thing but as a University in state, as someone pointed out earlier RU is the backup plan for a decent amount of the students on campus.AOD wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:48 amYou missed the point. The point was that lacrosse has spread throughout the State so much so that NJ high schools send more lacrosse players to college than every state but NY. And, quality lacrosse players are playing on teams throughout the State, not just in the affluent North Jersey towns you claim have no interest in RU. BB can find quality players anywhere and among that cohort he can find players who will be enticed by the cost of attendance. It's frankly silly to dismiss the recruiting opportunities present in NJ by claiming that affluence renders all recruits immune to cost considerations.jerseyjames wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:56 amNo doubt BB needs to do a better job with FOGO's and Goalies for that matter, those have been his bugaboo's since day 1. But as to your points about UVA and UMD especially paired with the affluent statement its pretty laughable, you must not be from NJ. From UVA 2 went to the Lawrenceville School, one from Princeton and the other from Rumson... (neither of those towns are SJ and neither would ever consider RU) and then the third is from Shawnee, a rich Philly suburb that has long been a lacrosse hot bed, again not really a RU demo and honestly those people ID with Philly more then NJ. UMD pretty much the same story you had a Shawnee, St. Augustine, Montgomery/Princeton and the only one I would give you is Allentown but the kid was a UMass Lowell transfer, everyone missed on the kid...AOD wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:45 amThat's an overgeneralization that excuses BB without truly addressing the issue. Lacrosse is no longer the sport of the affluent in NJ. It's found it's way into most communities in the State - so much so that NJ sends more lacrosse players to college than every state but NY. An unfortunate fact of today's modern education system is that many families must borrow to send their student to college. This includes NJ lacrosse players. And this is where RU has a distinct advantage in terms of cost to attend.InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:35 amIt’s a pretty affluent state, the best lacrosse is generally in north Jersey. A lot of, not all, the families from that area probably feel they are above Rutgers. It’s unfortunate but a part of reality.keno in reno wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:28 amThis is a phenomenon much bigger than 1 lacrosse coach. Much like Canadian Geese or the Swallows of Capistrano, Jersey kids graduate HS and get the hell out of the state for college. Out of state tuition is no problem. "Southern" schools from Delaware, Maryland, VA all the way down to Florida welcome their parents' money and the schools become Little Manhattans every year. Just the way it is.AOD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:37 amNJ HS players go elsewhere anyway. It amazes me how poorly BB has fared in luring NJ recruits during his tenure. RU has much to offer at nearly half the price of its out of state competition. Of course, BB's conference record at RU could be the cause as well.backerzone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:03 pmOr see that BB brings in portal guys every year and go elsewhere.
Focusing on northern NJ and ignoring southern NJ is a mistake. Maryland's 2017 championship team had 4 players from southern NJ on its roster (including 2 starters) and none from northern NJ. UVa's 2019 championship team had three players from southern NJ on its roster and 1 from northern NJ. Fine lacrosse players can be found throughout the State.
An simple and obvious truth about RU lacrosse is the sub-par play of their FOGOs. Yet, year after year NJ produces some of the best FOGOs in the nation. BB needs to identify those players when they're in the local high schools. BB must do better with in-state recruiting.
I really don't see the issue, he's getting Jersey kids where he can, if you look at the rosters its mostly Central Jersey kids, not North or South. Recruiting is a numbers game and a time game, BB and Co. can't be wasting time with kids from families who will never consider RU, to be honest I believe BB doesn't even waste much time with North Jersey as he knows they are looking out of state, BB knows there are plenty of elite out of state kids who would love the chance to play at RU. Hopefully if the success is sustained things may change but he has supplanted the lack of being able to attract elite NJ talent with elite out of state talent and transfers which seems to be working just fine.
Also who is an elite NJ player from a blue collar SJ town, the only one I can think of is Cole at St. Joes and again we addressed how bad he is at IDing FOGOs. Not trying to be down on SJ lacrosse its come along way as you said lots of "fine" players but fine players go to Stockton, not RU
Again BB isn't look to add quality players to compete where he had the team this year he needs elite players, which is why he is going to the portal and out of state talent. The elite NJ players come out of Delbarton, Seton Hall Prep, Summit, Mt Lakes, Ridgewood etc. The one kid who Ty Xanders, I know this is leading down another path about his evaluating merits, dubbed the biggest recruit in program history is a '22 Bridgewater kid which is a program they have done historically well with, which is also the same program that 1 of their 2 naturally recruited NJ starting player came from this year, 88 Russo.
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We're not talking about big time recruits. We're talking about high school players that can make an impact at RU. Trevor Baptiste was headed to D3 F&M before Tierney discovered him. Cole is playing at St. Joe's because Taylor Wray goes to south Jersey games and BB doesn't. Heck, even Connor Gaffney chose to use his post-grad year as a back-up rather than come home to NJ. You're right that this has run it's course. But it's unmistakable that BB could recruit better in NJ.InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:01 pm
But theres no getting around the fact that Rutgers is not a first choice institution for big time lacrosse recruits.
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If Trevor Baptiste was on his way to Franklin andAOD wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:45 pmWe're not talking about big time recruits. We're talking about high school players that can make an impact at RU. Trevor Baptiste was headed to D3 F&M before Tierney discovered him. Cole is playing at St. Joe's because Taylor Wray goes to south Jersey games and BB doesn't. Heck, even Connor Gaffney chose to use his post-grad year as a back-up rather than come home to NJ. You're right that this has run it's course. But it's unmistakableea that BB could recruit better in NJ.InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:01 pm
But theres no getting around the fact that Rutgers is not a first choice institution for big time lacrosse recruits.
Marshall, a tremendous program I’ve followed for years,
then a lot of people missed Trevor Baptiste, just in the
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Can we continue this discussion under the Rutgers thread, perhaps? It is an interesting discussion but most come here to check up on the portal in general, new additions, commits, etc.
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NJ fogos. He's just a soph but Bosco fogo Simone has dominated some very good fogos including one committed to Duke .InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:01 pmThis conversation has probably run its course. But theres no getting around the fact that Rutgers is not a first choice institution for big time lacrosse recruits.jerseyjames wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:53 pmI think you are missing the point, football and basketball are offering full rides for number 1 and 2 cost of attendance is not a huge an issue, lots of lacrosse players are looking for more prestigious universities, that's why Nova, Lehigh and to a lesser talent extent Lafayette all are seen as more attractive destinations. Rutgers does not move the needle in NJ, not just a lacrosse thing but as a University in state, as someone pointed out earlier RU is the backup plan for a decent amount of the students on campus.AOD wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:48 amYou missed the point. The point was that lacrosse has spread throughout the State so much so that NJ high schools send more lacrosse players to college than every state but NY. And, quality lacrosse players are playing on teams throughout the State, not just in the affluent North Jersey towns you claim have no interest in RU. BB can find quality players anywhere and among that cohort he can find players who will be enticed by the cost of attendance. It's frankly silly to dismiss the recruiting opportunities present in NJ by claiming that affluence renders all recruits immune to cost considerations.jerseyjames wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:56 amAOD wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:45 amInsiderRoll wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:35 amIt’s a pretty affluent state, the best lacrosse is generally in north Jersey. A lot of, not all, the families from that area probably feel they are above Rutgers. It’s unfortunate but a part of reality.keno in reno wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:28 amThis is a phenomenon much bigger than 1 lacrosse coach. Much like Canadian Geese or the Swallows of Capistrano, Jersey kids graduate HS and get the hell out of the state for college. Out of state tuition is no problem. "Southern" schools from Delaware, Maryland, VA all the way down to Florida welcome their parents' money and the schools become Little Manhattans every year. Just the way it is.AOD wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:37 amNJ HS players go elsewhere anyway. It amazes me how poorly BB has fared in luring NJ recruits during his tenure. RU has much to offer at nearly half the price of its out of state competition. Of course, BB's conference record at RU could be the cause as well.backerzone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:03 pmOr see that BB brings in portal guys every year and go elsewhere.
That's an overgeneralization that excuses BB without truly addressing the issue. Lacrosse is no longer the sport of the affluent in NJ. It's found it's way into most communities in the State - so much so that NJ sends more lacrosse players to college than every state but NY. An unfortunate fact of today's modern education system is that many families must borrow to send their student to college. This includes NJ lacrosse players. And this is where RU has a distinct advantage in terms of cost to attend.
Focusing on northern NJ and ignoring southern NJ is a mistake. Maryland's 2017 championship team had 4 players from southern NJ on its roster (including 2 starters) and none from northern NJ. UVa's 2019 championship team had three players from southern NJ on its roster and 1 from northern NJ. Fine lacrosse players can be found throughout the State.
An simple and obvious truth about RU lacrosse is the sub-par play of their FOGOs. Yet, year after year NJ produces some of the best FOGOs in the nation. BB needs to identify those players when they're in the local high schools. BB must do better with in-state recruiting.
No doubt BB needs to do a better job with FOGO's and Goalies for that matter, those have been his bugaboo's since day 1. But as to your points about UVA and UMD especially paired with the affluent statement its pretty laughable, you must not be from NJ. From UVA 2 went to the Lawrenceville School, one from Princeton and the other from Rumson... (neither of those towns are SJ and neither would ever consider RU) and then the third is from Shawnee, a rich Philly suburb that has long been a lacrosse hot bed, again not really a RU demo and honestly those people ID with Philly more then NJ. UMD pretty much the same story you had a Shawnee, St. Augustine, Montgomery/Princeton and the only one I would give you is Allentown but the kid was a UMass Lowell transfer, everyone missed on the kid...
I really don't see the issue, he's getting Jersey kids where he can, if you look at the rosters its mostly Central Jersey kids, not North or South. Recruiting is a numbers game and a time game, BB and Co. can't be wasting time with kids from families who will never consider RU, to be honest I believe BB doesn't even waste much time with North Jersey as he knows they are looking out of state, BB knows there are plenty of elite out of state kids who would love the chance to play at RU. Hopefully if the success is sustained things may change but he has supplanted the lack of being able to attract elite NJ talent with elite out of state talent and transfers which seems to be working just fine.
Also who is an elite NJ player from a blue collar SJ town, the only one I can think of is Cole at St. Joes and again we addressed how bad he is at IDing FOGOs. Not trying to be down on SJ lacrosse its come along way as you said lots of "fine" players but fine players go to Stockton, not RU
Again BB isn't look to add quality players to compete where he had the team this year he needs elite players, which is why he is going to the portal and out of state talent. The elite NJ players come out of Delbarton, Seton Hall Prep, Summit, Mt Lakes, Ridgewood etc. The one kid who Ty Xanders, I know this is leading down another path about his evaluating merits, dubbed the biggest recruit in program history is a '22 Bridgewater kid which is a program they have done historically well with, which is also the same program that 1 of their 2 naturally recruited NJ starting player came from this year, 88 Russo.
BB right now is doing what is needed to keep the momentum going while he attempts to keep top NJ talent in state
Much of what has been said is correct about the past allure of RU but sense a change in attitude may be underfoot . Rutgers is unquestionably a solid academic school with a large network. .
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With all due respect this has been a Rutgers hijacked thread………The vast majority of us could care less about Rutgers prospects unless we are going to play them, which for most teams will be never…. I am sure you all can find interest if you move this discussion to Rutgers or the Big 10 thread. Rutgers wins one game in the tournament and their fans are acting like they are a coming dynasty……Please…..
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I mean, it’s the transfer portal thread and they’re the most active team in the transfer portalblue angels wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:01 pm With all due respect this has been a Rutgers hijacked thread………The vast majority of us could care less about Rutgers prospects unless we are going to play them, which for most teams will be never…. I am sure you all can find interest if you move this discussion to Rutgers or the Big 10 thread. Rutgers wins one game in the tournament and their fans are acting like they are a coming dynasty……Please…..
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Rutgers has been the most active team in portal . Discussion on Knights is simply a extension of our program recruiting both past and present
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Rutgers is active in the portal and yes they won only one game....but:
UNC was damn lucky to beat them. If Rutgers could have simply survived the ride and gotten the ball across midfield at all without turnovers late in the fourth quarter they would have, could have , should have won. I know they didn't but they certainly gave a well established program all they could handle. In previous years they missed NCAA invitations in part because they are "only Rutgers".
Until they win more on the bigger stage they will always be "only Rutgers". As a former NJ resident I wish them well.
UNC was damn lucky to beat them. If Rutgers could have simply survived the ride and gotten the ball across midfield at all without turnovers late in the fourth quarter they would have, could have , should have won. I know they didn't but they certainly gave a well established program all they could handle. In previous years they missed NCAA invitations in part because they are "only Rutgers".
Until they win more on the bigger stage they will always be "only Rutgers". As a former NJ resident I wish them well.
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It is not an equal possibility; that's why the coaches bring in transfers. Terps defense went from bad to great with Nick Grill. Notre Dame got much better with transfers. UNC was much better with Gray. Even much maligned Duke made the final four with Sowers. I'm confused how you think coaches can't tell their existing roster talent level and how to quickly improve it.InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:39 pmA little confused by this. There is the equal possibility that he brings in all of these transfers and the team is worse. Only time will tell, each team and season is a different animal.keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:20 pmSo if Brecht doesn't bring transfers in, and his team is worse than what it could have been, is he doing his job?
Re: Transfer Portal 2022
It is one thing to "plug a few holes" and another thing to get most of your starters for the next season out of the transfer portal. Bad for future recruiting, if you are a freshman or sophomore looking to get playing time and you are suddenly third or fourth string, this will cause future recruits to reconsider committing to schools that are doing that.
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Re: Transfer Portal 2022
That’s not what I said, bringing in transfers can absolutely improve your talent. But it can divide a locker room and make your team worse off than it would’ve been.keno in reno wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:49 pmIt is not an equal possibility; that's why the coaches bring in transfers. Terps defense went from bad to great with Nick Grill. Notre Dame got much better with transfers. UNC was much better with Gray. Even much maligned Duke made the final four with Sowers. I'm confused how you think coaches can't tell their existing roster talent level and how to quickly improve it.InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:39 pmA little confused by this. There is the equal possibility that he brings in all of these transfers and the team is worse. Only time will tell, each team and season is a different animal.keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:20 pmSo if Brecht doesn't bring transfers in, and his team is worse than what it could have been, is he doing his job?
Re: Transfer Portal 2022
It's probably not good for future recruiting...but maybe Brecht is looking to make this a multi-year thing. Perhaps this is his strategy year-over-year, and when there are years where he thinks he has internal players to fill the gaps he does and if he doesn't he goes into the portal and plugs holes. As for it's efficacy and whether it'll work or not that remains to be seen but I can't imagine Brecht doesn't know the recruiting ramifications of this and he's gotten 3+ players in the portal two consecutive years now. Perhaps this is a long term strategy he's looking to use and if you commit to it and make it something you use consistently, perhaps it has better odds than, say, Duke this year trying to balance big time incoming recruits AND big transfer portal additions.