Such is the nature of the business of nursing. Whether getting people to come to an appointment or comply with their medication regimen, most, not simply many, people think short term, avoid difficult news, and deny reality...human nature.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:51 amOne of my wifes responsibilities in "getting through" to her patients involved getting them to actually show up for their appointments. They would schedule 8 to 10 45 minute procedures a day. When she first started if 3 people actually showed up that was a good day. After 6 months and many hours spent cajoling people on the phone she had brought that number up to almost 100% of patients showing up. Where she worked was a very complex and complicated place. The first issue was getting people to show up. The second issue was dealing with people with a myriad of psych issues that made every conversation a new lesson in what to say and what not to say. One patient became irate and screamed at my wife when she gave her directions to the "ladies" room. The term fruitloops was coined by a doctor who was and I believe still is the director of colo rectal surgery at Strong Hospital. This doctor was very outspoken, with a foul mouth, who had little to no compassion or understanding of some of her patients. My wife says often that the 6 months she spent at Strong Hospital was the lowest point in her nursing career. She said this many times... how can you be an advocate for your patient when they won't even show up to the office for a procedure that would prevent them from getting anal cancer.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:20 pmWhile I'm loathe to comment in any way negatively about your wife, cradle, (as I know and respect your love and care for her) and I'm sure she did deal with folks who were damaged one way or another psychologically, not sure anyone who thinks of their patients as "fruit loops", much less "did not want transgender people to exist" should ever be assigned to that particular job. There are lots of nursing jobs not requiring that particular sort of sensitivity.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:57 pmSorry there MD, you are 100% wrong in your analysis. My wife worked for 6 months as a nurse in the Anal Dysplasia Cynic at Strong Memorial Hospital. Their entire reason for existence was to serve the gay and LGBTQ community in Rochester. There was not a more politically correct job to work in in the medical field. Every day working in this "fruit loop factory" ( my wifes term for it) was like walking on eggshells. There were no "right wingers" to make up the rule about bathrooms were NEVER to be defined as for men or women. Heaven forbid you slip up and use the term "mens room" you would get a verbal tongue lashing for your mistake. This is my wifes opinion and likely the opinion of a number of the people she worked with. They also wished transgender people did not exist. They did not refer to them as fruit loops for no reason, the psychological issues of many of these people went way off of the charts. The first question my wife use to have to ask when interviewing a patient was... how would you like me to refer to you today... Joe, Joanne or something different. One patient actually wanted to be called Madame Ovary. My wife is a compassionate and caring nurse, these people pushed the limits of her nursing skills every dog gone day. The first day she came home and used the term "fruit loops" I was stunned. No matter how hard she tried she could not get through to 90% of the patients she saw. I don't think she had one good day working there in 6 months. It sure as hell had nothing to do with what republicans felt about her patients.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:03 amcradle, the 'hullabaloo' is from those who wish trans folk didn't exist. Very 'threatened' in so many ways in their lives, they strike out at others.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:37 amI haven't figured out the gender neutral bathroom hullabaloo yet. I know every public bathroom I use have these things called stalls. You can go in and take care of your business and go one your way.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:35 amcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:51 amThis is a line from the sequel to the Bellamy brothers song about that old hippieMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:58 pmThis gender stuff seems ridiculous to us old foagies... I really struggle with it. Was on my Peloton a day or so ago and took a ride celebrating Sam Smith's music...familiar, great music IMO...but I'm not 'up' on all the celebrity stuff so was unaware of Sam's gender identity preferences...which was referred to a lot on the ride (PRIDE month)...pronouns 'they' and 'their' to describe Sam's gender preference.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:45 pmBIRTHING PEOPLE?? Seriously I can't wait to hear the spin on this forum about that latest PC statement.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:21 pm Democrats now are calling moms and mothers “BIRTHING PEOPLE”.
Like cows, moms are now just simply there for birthing.
Biden’s cabinet members this week called all moms ‘birthing people’. And instead of any of you putting a hard stop to woke madness, you’ll dig deep in your bag of liberal excuses to suggest this is no big deal.
Leftism is a mental illness. The good news is America will roundly bury leftism in the next two elections. Most Americans are still sane. You make Trump appear normal. Amazing.
Does this stuff actually matter? Well, apparently to those who wish to be accepted for who they are, instead of rejected, ridiculed, bullied...it does.
Doesn't make it any easier for us old foagies, but having two close friends/team mates with kids who have such gender preferences has been eye opening as to the issues and how they're dealing with them.
This wording change has been explained as an effort to recognize that some people who carry and give birth (what you and I would call 'mothers'!) may not identify as female, despite this biological birthing reality. Thus, the effort to use words that are more open, less gender specific, to any gender identity person who nevertheless does this activity "birthing".
Feels really clumsy or awkward, even jarring, to many of us, and I dare say to most of middle America. But it's very much 'sane' and considered. Like on a lot of issues, middle America is gonna be behind the curve, but they'll eventually catch up.
Of course, it is indeed more fodder for the right wing media world and this stuff, in aggregate, does have potential backlash implications politically.
But nah, it won't make Trump look 'sane'.
" He's and old hippie still adjusting to the change, just trying to find some balance in a world gone totally insane"
To those sentiments I can relate a 100%
The fundamental problem with liberals like our resident ‘lifetime Republican’ () is they are so painfully, plaintively desperate for love and acceptance by the internet, they become comical caricatures of woke lunacy. If you’re so easily willing to exchange the term ‘birthing person’ for mom/mother, you’re really no different than the January 6 bozos. The internal desperation of all these people is sad, tbh.
Our gator troll says he thinks 'liberals' (apparently I'm one such) have "internal desperation"...full on projection, as with so much from these right wing bigots. Then he equates this "internal desperation" of 'liberals' with the insurrection of Jan 6...
When you say she "could not get through to 90% of the patients she saw" what exactly was she trying to "get through"?
Nursing is a hard gig, thus my reluctance to say anything at all.
Surgeons can be some of the least empathetic people in the world, ironically.
Sounds typical. Jerk.
