Johns Hopkins 2022

[DocBarrister]

watching the uva and duke videos I see so many students I went to school with at the time. We were behind those guys strongly and every week there'd be a huge line to pick up our tickets at the athletic department offices to go see them. Jamison knows what those days were like and what a roaring homewood student section felt like. Hopefully he, PM, and the athletics folks can get the students and community back to full homewoods next spring.

Students are NEVER coming back the way that they used to. A lot has changed since then. It just isn't happening. I would count your blessings. Hopkins is still routinely in the top 5 in attendance per game in the country, even throughout the most recent period of mediocrity. Other schools have much bigger attendance issues.

Doesn't mean student attendance can't or won't improve at all. You know what the best thing would be? Winning. And nice weather. If the team is good, and the weather is nice, the kids will come.

Saturday afternoon games in April would be nice...Tuesday nights in February and early March, not so great...

Agreed, re all the dynamics...just look at the turnout trends for Memorial Day weekend.

Ivies have had plummeting turnout for their football games, not so much I think because of the emergence of soccer, but rather because they lost their appeal as the signature social event for the weekend...don't see that same dynamic at the big football schools where it continues to be a party with as much attention to the parking lot as what happens on the field.

Yep. Between 1929 and 1951, Harvard Stadium had a capacity of more than 57,000. It’s just 30,000 or so today. Of course, what else are you going to do on a Saturday afternoon during the Great Depression with no television or cable or streaming services?

In the 1980s, Homewood Field would draw nearly 10,000 spectators for the Hopkins-Syracuse game, because in those days that was the only way you could watch a regular season Hopkins-Syracuse game (except maybe the occasional local TV station broadcast).

These days, a Hopkins-Syracuse lacrosse game on ESPNU or ESPN3 may draw 20-30,000 viewers (maybe more). Diddly squat by sports cable standards, but far larger than the audience at Homewood (or the Dome) back in the day.

DocBarrister

If I understand correctly, as my dad was growing up 2 blocks away ('30's and 40's) and then playing on that field for UVA, the biggest sporting events in Baltimore outside of special occasion horse racing events were lacrosse games at Homewood...pro sports hadn't yet kicked into larger events.

Have a triptych framed black and white of him in the net at Homewood in '52 courtesy of Sunpapers, the year UVA won their first NC, then me in net for Dartmouth 1980, and then my son in net for Harvard in 2015...pretty cool...

That’s a pretty impressive family tradition in the net!

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

Kyle was a very special player. He worked tirelessly to overcome a hitch in his shooting motion. 100 extra shots a day with a couple of others. A few coaches observed he had the fastest hands they had ever seen… still.

His dad, Myles, wrote a book about the HSBU lax team of what was then Morgan State University. A team that was making itself known in lax. It’s worth a read. 10 Bears

His parents sat in front of me for his time at Hopkind along with Benson Irwin’s family. Benson to me was the best SSDM. Like Kyle he worked out for hours after practice. He took up boxing to help his foot work and defensive positioning.

For years he would clear the ball snd his mom would shout out “don’t shoot.” Semi final Philly playing against UVA in OT Benson is racing down the field snd hos mom is standing up yelling “Shoot Benson shoot”. Only time she ever did that. He scored

Not sure why beyond "Youtube Algorithims" but this came up the other day. Benson's set up to his goal is at the 2 hr, 13 minute and 50ish second mark. Sadly I was not in the stands that day - friend bachelor party in NO.

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Fantastic game; talk about great goaltending!

Noticed something just earlier, at the 2:10 game clock, shot is taken, Turner save, has one foot out of crease for a moment and a Hopkins player crashes into him, in the crease...ball is awarded to Hopkins as closest to ball on exit of field, but should have gone to UVA...refs undoubtedly missed the goalie interference and crease violation.

How about that crowd!
I was there with my son and my dad.

I took my Pop to that game. As we were walking back to the car, the man who saw Bobby Orr play hockey, Chuck Bednarik's tackle on Frank Gifford and Stan Musial hit a baseball, told me, "That may have been the best sporting event I ever attended." That made me feel ten feet tall.

Great memories!

I had forgotten all about that notorious stick check on Byrne that Starsia had asked for. The game had so much strange drama ... the scoreless first quarter ... Virginia surging to a lead with five consecutive goals in the third and fourth quarters ... a Divine Intervention by the Creator of the Universe ... Harrison’s tying goal ... Virginia’s long hold and then Ward’s goal with 12.9 seconds left ... and then Greg Peyser having trouble picking up the GB and finally flinging a cross-field pass to Byrne who shoots it in with 1.4 seconds left ... the notorious stick check ... great goalie play in OT by both Turner and Schwartzman ... finished off by an assist from Rabil to Benson Erwin of all people.

I had also forgotten that both teams had more than 20 turnovers in the game.

The Blue Jays had won 3 OT games (including a double OT against Duke) in the regular season. You can’t tell me the close games were a sign of weakness. Those close games helped Hopkins win the national championship in 2005.

DocBarrister

[MDlaxfan76]

watching the uva and duke videos I see so many students I went to school with at the time. We were behind those guys strongly and every week there'd be a huge line to pick up our tickets at the athletic department offices to go see them. Jamison knows what those days were like and what a roaring homewood student section felt like. Hopefully he, PM, and the athletics folks can get the students and community back to full homewoods next spring.

Students are NEVER coming back the way that they used to. A lot has changed since then. It just isn't happening. I would count your blessings. Hopkins is still routinely in the top 5 in attendance per game in the country, even throughout the most recent period of mediocrity. Other schools have much bigger attendance issues.

Doesn't mean student attendance can't or won't improve at all. You know what the best thing would be? Winning. And nice weather. If the team is good, and the weather is nice, the kids will come.

Saturday afternoon games in April would be nice...Tuesday nights in February and early March, not so great...

Agreed, re all the dynamics...just look at the turnout trends for Memorial Day weekend.

Ivies have had plummeting turnout for their football games, not so much I think because of the emergence of soccer, but rather because they lost their appeal as the signature social event for the weekend...don't see that same dynamic at the big football schools where it continues to be a party with as much attention to the parking lot as what happens on the field.

Yep. Between 1929 and 1951, Harvard Stadium had a capacity of more than 57,000. It’s just 30,000 or so today. Of course, what else are you going to do on a Saturday afternoon during the Great Depression with no television or cable or streaming services?

In the 1980s, Homewood Field would draw nearly 10,000 spectators for the Hopkins-Syracuse game, because in those days that was the only way you could watch a regular season Hopkins-Syracuse game (except maybe the occasional local TV station broadcast).

These days, a Hopkins-Syracuse lacrosse game on ESPNU or ESPN3 may draw 20-30,000 viewers (maybe more). Diddly squat by sports cable standards, but far larger than the audience at Homewood (or the Dome) back in the day.

DocBarrister

If I understand correctly, as my dad was growing up 2 blocks away ('30's and 40's) and then playing on that field for UVA, the biggest sporting events in Baltimore outside of special occasion horse racing events were lacrosse games at Homewood...pro sports hadn't yet kicked into larger events.

Have a triptych framed black and white of him in the net at Homewood in '52 courtesy of Sunpapers, the year UVA won their first NC, then me in net for Dartmouth 1980, and then my son in net for Harvard in 2015...pretty cool...

That’s a pretty impressive family tradition in the net!

DocBarrister

Pop was the most decorated, 3X AA...I was 2X and son All-Ivy...all with screws loose!

Many fun memories backing up the net as a kid at Homewood, trying to catch a Joe Cowan or Downy McCarty shot.https://vault.si.com/vault/1968/05/27/t ... ith-sticks

And then my son was a Junior Jay!

[OCanada]

The trends for Memorial Day weekend are mostly a result of NCAA greed. They have priced the long weekend out of the range of many families. It was predicted 20 years ago.

There are those who argue the novelty had worn off and the fall was inevitable. However as prices went up because sites had to bid to host with highest bidder winning prices were driven up as a result.

[DocBarrister]

The trends for Memorial Day weekend are mostly a result of NCAA greed. They have priced the long weekend out of the range of many families. It was predicted 20 years ago.

There are those who argue the novelty had worn off and the fall was inevitable. However as prices went up because sites had to bid to host with highest bidder winning prices were driven up as a result.

Price is definitely a factor, and I agree ... one of the most important.

On the other hand, the only time the Final Four drew 100,000 spectators was in 2007, when Johns Hopkins played in the Final Four in Baltimore. Unfortunately, Johns Hopkins has been to the Final Four twice since 2007, and never in Baltimore.

I’m one of those folks who believe the Final Four should have a permanent home in Baltimore. What’s better than a lacrosse game followed by some beer and seafood at the Inner Harbor?

DocBarrister

[OCanada]

The initial discussion was to have the FF in Baltimore for 10 years. Lock in cost and make it a family friendly event.

The NCAA declined and opted for two year contracts going to the highest bidder. Inflationary

The NCAA also declined the following:

No to a concert. A well known band to play.
No to a harbor walk with booths.
No to Indians teaching how wooden sticks were made and speaking to the game
No to a ceremony to honor sacrifice on Memorial Day
No to a few others
The NCAA liaison was a baseball guy who nothing about the sport or it’s history or its fan base.

[MDlaxfan76]

The initial discussion was to have the FF in Baltimore for 10 years. Lock in cost and make it a family friendly event.

The NCAA declined and opted for two year contracts going to the highest bidder. Inflationary

The NCAA also declined the following:

No to a concert. A well known band to play.
No to a harbor walk with booths.
No to Indians teaching how wooden sticks were made and speaking to the game
No to a ceremony to honor sacrifice on Memorial Day
No to a few others
The NCAA liaison was a baseball guy who nothing about the sport or it’s history or its fan base.

Real shame.

I do understand the moving it around to other cities, but the bidding stuff really did hurt what should have been more important...making it a wonderful, affordable experience for fans...filling the stadium to the brim. Fill the stadium and then ease prices up for best seats, keep prices low for youth tickets, low for student tickets.

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

When I was working for LaxNews (RIP), I dialed into an NC$$ press telecon where they announced a few sites including the first ever trip to Foxboro(ugh).

Now, here is the extremely disgusting part: the NC$$ Men’s Lacrosse Director (forgot his name, whoever followed Buttafuoco) very specifically laid out that the name of the game was “Revenue Enhancement”.

My enjoyment of the sport immediately declined. The NC$$ is pimping out these unpaid student-athletes to make a buck. We’ve all known this for ages, but if you had listened in on that telecon, you might have wanted to puke like I did.

The sport has been prostituted.

And the allure? Oh, let’s have these young men desire to raise a crappy looking trophy, which the NC$$ spent Lord knows how much redesigning.

In the quest for a trophy, maybe they will ignore that they are being used for the almighty dollar.

The courts are gradually turning on the NC$$. I hope their house of cards collapses.

I think the USILA could run a bracket.

Who needs these NC$$ assclowns?

[DocBarrister]

When I was working for LaxNews (RIP), I dialed into an NC$$ press telecon where they announced a few sites including the first ever trip to Foxboro(ugh).

Now, here is the extremely disgusting part: the NC$$ Men’s Lacrosse Director (forgot his name, whoever followed Buttafuoco) very specifically laid out that the name of the game was “Revenue Enhancement”.

My enjoyment of the sport immediately declined. The NC$$ is pimping out these unpaid student-athletes to make a buck. We’ve all known this for ages, but if you had listened in on that telecon, you might have wanted to puke like I did.

The sport has been prostituted.

And the allure? Oh, let’s have these young men desire to raise a crappy looking trophy, which the NC$$ spent Lord knows how much redesigning.

In the quest for a trophy, maybe they will ignore that they are being used for the almighty dollar.

The courts are gradually turning on the NC$$. I hope their house of cards collapses.

I think the USILA could run a bracket.

Who needs these NC$$ assclowns?

Then you will just get the big conferences exploiting these young men and women (college softball and women’s college bb bring in plenty of money). The NCAA has essentially been sidelined in big-time college football, although it still tries to roar once in a while when an obvious rules violation occurs. However, it’s the conferences (and only the major ones) that run the College Football Playoffs, not the NCAA.

There needs to be some sort of revenue sharing implemented for the players in major sports like basketball and football. And no, the scholarships are not near enough for the time and effort they put in.

DocBarrister

[Mr3Putt]

Haha ! Where is everyone tonight?

[jhu06]

Haha ! Where is everyone tonight?

it's hard to really say there's a direct impact of the gait hire on Hopkins 2022 unless Petro is hired at Syracuse and guys who felt they weren't a fit w/PM decide there's a new opportunity there.

[Matnum PI]

... unless Petro is hired at Syracuse and guys who felt they weren't a fit w/PM decide there's a new opportunity there.

Not confirmed yet but I believe that this is where it's heading...

[10stone5]

Haha ! Where is everyone tonight?

it's hard to really say there's a direct impact of the gait hire on Hopkins 2022 unless Petro is hired at Syracuse and guys who felt they weren't a fit w/PM decide there's a new opportunity there.

I think you can say the same about a lot of schools,
guys will be reconsidering their commitments with the
Gait hire.

[primitiveskills]

Haha ! Where is everyone tonight?

Are we supposed to be overly concerned if Petro takes the DC job at "Cuse?

[jhu06]

Haha ! Where is everyone tonight?

Are we supposed to be overly concerned if Petro takes the DC job at "Cuse?

benson beat us 3 times this year.

[nyjay]

Haha ! Where is everyone tonight?

Are we supposed to be overly concerned if Petro takes the DC job at "Cuse?

Probably not. His ability to coordinate a defense was - shockingly - high on the list of reasons for his departure. I believe Petro could still be very successful as a CEO type head coach. But, and I hate to say it, I have my doubts about him as a DC. An icon, the best pole ever, but at Cuse? As an assistant? I'm not concerned, but kinda sad.

[a fan]

Haha ! Where is everyone tonight?

Are we supposed to be overly concerned if Petro takes the DC job at "Cuse?

benson beat us 3 times this year.

Not possible. You guys have been telling us for the last decade that Benson can't coach offense.

[HopFan16]

Not possible. You guys have been telling us for the last decade that Benson can't coach offense.

This is truly among the dumbest of the many dumb false narratives perpetuated on this forum.

[a fan]

Not possible. You guys have been telling us for the last decade that Benson can't coach offense.

This is truly among the dumbest of the many dumb false narratives perpetuated on this forum.

So if someone uses the search function for "Benson", you won't find Hop fans hitting Benson for things like not developing players?

I'm just making this up whole cloth?

[HopFan16]

Not possible. You guys have been telling us for the last decade that Benson can't coach offense.

This is truly among the dumbest of the many dumb false narratives perpetuated on this forum.

So if someone uses the search function for "Benson", you won't find Hop fans hitting Benson for things like not developing players?

I'm just making this up whole cloth?

“You guys”
“Can’t coach offense”

He’s been criticized at times by a handful of posters over the years, as other coaches have been.