2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[MDlaxfan76]

Anyone catch Amy Klobuchar town meeting in NH last night?

Gotta say, I really, really like her.

Is anyone else in her lane?
Lots of folks tacking hard left. She's not.

Practical, pragmatic, unafraid to say 'no' when 'yes' would get the most applause.

She's also been hugely productive in the Senate, across the aisle.
Very, very appealing across the Midwest.

Comes across as tough, with very high standards, but not holier than thou.

I also really like her sense of humor. She laughs easily and naturally, happy person at her core.

[foreverlax]

Great news—independent Bernie is running for President again. Trump’s team high-fives.

How does a guy who REFUSES to join the democrat party run as a democrat?

Ask Trump

[dislaxxic]

Trump's New Red Scare

"There are a lot of people talking about socialism these days. Senator Bernie Sanders, who on Tuesday launched a bid for the Democratic nomination for president, calls himself a democratic socialist, and so does Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Public intellectuals are debating the label anew. And then there’s the most high-profile participant in the discussion: Donald Trump.

The president, of course, is not a proponent. But he has moved “socialism” to the center of his lexicon in February, deploying it in discussions of foreign policy as a weapon against domestic political opponents. He does so at a time when his political messaging has faltered and when the left wing is more energized than it has been in generations. How successful Trump’s attempt to revive an old but often successful line of attack is will be an important test, both for his reelection hopes and for the future of socialist ideas in this country."

before we get too far down the rabbit hole, do we think Bern and the others will start to point out all the socialism that goes down right now today here in the USofA??

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[CU77]

Anyone catch Amy Klobuchar town meeting in NH last night?

Gotta say, I really, really like her.

Is anyone else in her lane?

I'd be very happy if she is the D nominee.

[Trinity]

Ditto. I don’t care if she yells at her staff.

[runrussellrun]

Anyone catch Amy Klobuchar town meeting in NH last night?

Gotta say, I really, really like her.

Is anyone else in her lane?

I'd be very happy if she is the D nominee.

What can we do to make it happen? How does this process work?

[MDlaxfan76]

Ditto. I don’t care if she yells at her staff.

Yes, and she's handling that critique (gendered as it may be) quite well, so far.

Basically:

'I hold myself to high standards, I hold my staff to those standards, I have high standards for the country'...

[jhu72]

Anyone catch Amy Klobuchar town meeting in NH last night?

Gotta say, I really, really like her.

Is anyone else in her lane?
Lots of folks tacking hard left. She's not.

Practical, pragmatic, unafraid to say 'no' when 'yes' would get the most applause.

She's also been hugely productive in the Senate, across the aisle.
Very, very appealing across the Midwest.

Comes across as tough, with very high standards, but not holier than thou.

I also really like her sense of humor. She laughs easily and naturally, happy person at her core.

I believe she was one of my examples on the non-TAATS list I generated some number of months ago in response to a RRR rant. She is a politician, but they are not all the same. I am skeptical of her ability to win the primary however.

[seacoaster]

I've seen Sherrod Brown, Kamala Harris and Klobuchar over the past two weeks or so. I like Brown and Klobuchar the best of the (broader) bunch. Both want to fix real things in real people's lives, and aren't much interested in spreading the jam too thin and approach every issue on the Democratic primary voter palette. They are staring in the relative center-left...and that will hurt them with the activist types who dominate primaries and primary dialogue. If Brown gets in, and for Klobuchar to stay in, the money spigot will have to stay on, and that, with so many candidates, may be a tough thing for some of these folks.

[youthathletics]

Interesting news coming out of Denver.....

Without a single Republican in support, national popular vote effort moves to Colorado governor’s desk

https://coloradosun.com/2019/02/21/nati ... -colorado/

[cradleandshoot]

I've seen Sherrod Brown, Kamala Harris and Klobuchar over the past two weeks or so. I like Brown and Klobuchar the best of the (broader) bunch. Both want to fix real things in real people's lives, and aren't much interested in spreading the jam too thin and approach every issue on the Democratic primary voter palette. They are staring in the relative center-left...and that will hurt them with the activist types who dominate primaries and primary dialogue. If Brown gets in, and for Klobuchar to stay in, the money spigot will have to stay on, and that, with so many candidates, may be a tough thing for some of these folks.

Of the 3 people you mentioned Kamala Harris is probably the most center based Democrat of the bunch. She is old school liberal for sure but her record as a pretty hard nose prosecutor certainly does not put her in the company of the way far left socialists. Klobuchar is disturbing to me in that for all of her charisma you can't overlook the fact that she treats her own staff like sheep dip. She is like the Bruce Springsteen of politicians. Everybody loves when she is on stage but the nick name the boss is actually not a term of endearment from the people around her. From what I read about Springsteen when his people referred to him as the boss it was because he was such an a-hole it was used to point out how very difficult it was to work for him or work with him.

[seacoaster]

" Klobuchar is disturbing to me in that for all of her charisma you can't overlook the fact that she treats her own staff like sheep dip."

Agreed; we can't have "girls" talking that way to people about their jobs working for one of 100 Senators. So Klobuchar is out. Thanks. No need for a deep dive into policy and stuff. And you got to say "sheep dip," again. Winnowing down this field is going to be easy with that rubric.

[MDlaxfan76]

" Klobuchar is disturbing to me in that for all of her charisma you can't overlook the fact that she treats her own staff like sheep dip."

Agreed; we can't have "girls" talking that way to people about their jobs working for one of 100 Senators. So Klobuchar is out. Thanks. No need for a deep dive into policy and stuff. And you got to say "sheep dip," again. Winnowing down this field is going to be easy with that rubric.

Klobuchar seriously worries Trumpists. The criticism of her being tough on her staff is just silly coming from Trumpists. Talk about snowflakes.

Harris is the most "center based Democrat"...really? I guess that's coming from someone who has no clue about Dems at all, just whatever the right wing media is spouting this week. But is even Fox that misinformed?

I agree, cradle, she has a good background as a "hard-nosed prosecutor". But she's tacking hard left so as to not lose the Dem left base. That may well be necessary to win the nomination. She may tack back in the general.

But Klobuchar isn't tacking leftward. That may well cost her the nomination, but if she won, she'd handily beat Trump in the Midwest in the general.

Also got a chuckle out of "charisma". A bunch of these Dem candidates have boatloads of high wattage charisma (Booker, Harris, O'Rourke, even Sanders), but I wouldn't have put Klobuchar on that list, likable as she may be. Her assets are credibility, actual accomplishments, and sense of humor, not high wattage 'charisma'.

[runrussellrun]

Anyone catch Amy Klobuchar town meeting in NH last night?

Gotta say, I really, really like her.

Is anyone else in her lane?
Lots of folks tacking hard left. She's not.

Practical, pragmatic, unafraid to say 'no' when 'yes' would get the most applause.

She's also been hugely productive in the Senate, across the aisle.
Very, very appealing across the Midwest.

Comes across as tough, with very high standards, but not holier than thou.

I also really like her sense of humor. She laughs easily and naturally, happy person at her core.

I believe she was one of my examples on the non-TAATS list I generated some number of months ago in response to a RRR rant. She is a politician, but they are not all the same. I am skeptical of her ability to win the primary however.

Before I explain how she is the same, can you provide examples of how she is different.

Driving around yesterday, NPR was bashing Klobucher, saying she is just about ideas, NOT legislation. That she has neither drafted, nor co-sponsered any legislation. THey were pumping up Lizzie Warren, saying she does both, write bills and have ideas. They are lazy ignoramisses.

They must live under that same rock as certain Hopkins grads.

Amy Klobucher was the PRIMARY sponsor of THIRTY THREE bills that were enacted

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/member ... har/412242

Lizzie Cherokee was the primary sponsor of SEVEN bills that were enacted

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/member ... ren/412542

Now, how did these two vote on what matters? (spending , or rather wasting, our money ) YES, YES, and YES.......good ole different pretend liberal Amy loves her some wars and continued funding of the killing machine industry. Or bailouts for the rich. (gee, who donates to AMY....look it up. 72 won't though )

Ahh....if you spend 5-10 minutes looking at Amy's voting record........that TAATS feeling gets real warm.

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/ ... al-1198006 Very interesting read. The Democrats are going all in on the far left and I mean really far left agenda. The poker player in me appreciates the temerity it takes to go all in when you are trying to draw to an inside strait. The Democrats have to sell this to the 20% or so of independent voters. IMO that is one very tough sell. The people you have doing the selling are not lacking in enthusiasm but are sorely lacking in any believability factor. The biggest problem the Democrats have... how do they plan on paying for their pie in the sky dreams? One thing the Dems have going for them... America as a whole is way too stupid to figure out the back end of the equation. You promise them free chit and that is all that they hear.

[MDlaxfan76]

Anyone catch Amy Klobuchar town meeting in NH last night?

Gotta say, I really, really like her.

Is anyone else in her lane?
Lots of folks tacking hard left. She's not.

Practical, pragmatic, unafraid to say 'no' when 'yes' would get the most applause.

She's also been hugely productive in the Senate, across the aisle.
Very, very appealing across the Midwest.

Comes across as tough, with very high standards, but not holier than thou.

I also really like her sense of humor. She laughs easily and naturally, happy person at her core.

I believe she was one of my examples on the non-TAATS list I generated some number of months ago in response to a RRR rant. She is a politician, but they are not all the same. I am skeptical of her ability to win the primary however.

Before I explain how she is the same, can you provide examples of how she is different.

Driving around yesterday, NPR was bashing Klobucher, saying she is just about ideas, NOT legislation. That she has neither drafted, nor co-sponsered any legislation. THey were pumping up Lizzie Warren, saying she does both, write bills and have ideas. They are lazy ignoramisses.

They must live under that same rock as certain Hopkins grads.

Amy Klobucher was the PRIMARY sponsor of THIRTY THREE bills that were enacted

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/member ... har/412242

Lizzie Cherokee was the primary sponsor of SEVEN bills that were enacted

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/member ... ren/412542

Now, how did these two vote on what matters? (spending , or rather wasting, our money ) YES, YES, and YES.......good ole different pretend liberal Amy loves her some wars and continued funding of the killing machine industry. Or bailouts for the rich. (gee, who donates to AMY....look it up. 72 won't though )

Ahh....if you spend 5-10 minutes looking at Amy's voting record........that TAATS feeling gets real warm.

Not sure I follow you russy, (but what else is new?).

On the one hand you take issue with NPR inaccurately pumping Warren (I haven't heard this but maybe some guest was doing so?) and that they had it quite wrong, indeed Klobuchar has been a way more effective legislator than Warren. You're right. And that's because she finds ways to appeal across the aisle and finds issues she can gather support for beyond just the left wing of her own party.

But sure, that doesn't make her not liberal. She's a Democrat. If you want to find commonalities with other liberals, you will of course find them. But also solid on national defense. She reflects her roots.

What makes her "different" is that she's not such a flamer that she can't actually get to common ground. She has a mastery of the detail, an obvious professionalism and competency, and she has that mid-western style of getting along with one's neighbors. Smart but with humor.

If we want the next President to bring the country back to some semblance of basic respect for and care for our neighbors, and a fundamental respect for the rule of law, separation of powers, dignity of the office, etc... she's the sort of person who could actually do it.

[wahoomurf]

Great news—independent Bernie is running for President again. Trump’s team high-fives.

How does a guy who REFUSES to join the democrat party run as a democrat?

Ask Trump

[wahoomurf]

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/ ... al-1198006 Very interesting read. The Democrats are going all in on the far left and I mean really far left agenda. The poker player in me appreciates the temerity it takes to go all in when you are trying to draw to an inside strait. The Democrats have to sell this to the 20% or so of independent voters. IMO that is one very tough sell. The people you have doing the selling are not lacking in enthusiasm but are sorely lacking in any believability factor. The biggest problem the Democrats have... how do they plan on paying for their pie in the sky dreams? One thing the Dems have going for them... America as a whole is way too stupid to figure out the back end of the equation. You promise them free chit and that is all that they hear.

Yup. Every extant Democrat, without exception, bar none is going all in....up to their elbows in the far left, way far left agenda.No doubt about it. It's verifiable. Actual factual, whole cloth truth. Every last one of 'em.

Trump is a life-long Democrat. As such, I'm a bit surprised he is drinking that extra special, super-duper, high octane. far left Kool-aid.

Not to worry boys and girls...Trump, in addition to being a Democrat, is a teetotaler...his brother died of cirrhosis Thank Yahweh that powerful potion, commonly referred to as "LEFTAGEN", is alcohol-free.

A WORD OF ADVICE: When sailing through a STRAIT, pay attention to the leeward yaw. Get that straight and you'll never have a problem, navigating any strait in the world.

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/ ... al-1198006 Very interesting read. The Democrats are going all in on the far left and I mean really far left agenda. The poker player in me appreciates the temerity it takes to go all in when you are trying to draw to an inside strait. The Democrats have to sell this to the 20% or so of independent voters. IMO that is one very tough sell. The people you have doing the selling are not lacking in enthusiasm but are sorely lacking in any believability factor. The biggest problem the Democrats have... how do they plan on paying for their pie in the sky dreams? One thing the Dems have going for them... America as a whole is way too stupid to figure out the back end of the equation. You promise them free chit and that is all that they hear.

Yup. Every extant Democrat, without exception, bar none is going all in....up to their elbows in the far left, way far left agenda.No doubt about it. It's verifiable. Actual factual, whole cloth truth. Every last one of 'em.

Trump is a life-long Democrat. As such, I'm a bit surprised he is drinking that extra special, super-duper, high octane. far left Kool-aid.

Not to worry boys and girls...Trump, in addition to being a Democrat, is a teetotaler...his brother died of cirrhosis Thank Yahweh that powerful potion, commonly referred to as "LEFTAGEN", is alcohol-free.

A WORD OF ADVICE: When sailing through a STRAIT, pay attention to the leeward yaw. Get that straight and you'll never have a problem, navigating any strait in the world.

Not being a navy man murf your advice is over my head. I do know if you don't eat the air force box lunch before you fly from Ft Bragg to Panama you won't be puking in your steel pot. I am certain my point here has no relevance to what you said

[runrussellrun]

Not sure I follow you russy, (but what else is new?).

On the one hand you take issue with NPR inaccurately pumping Warren (I haven't heard this but maybe some guest was doing so?) and that they had it quite wrong, indeed Klobuchar has been a way more effective legislator than Warren. You're right. And that's because she finds ways to appeal across the aisle and finds issues she can gather support for beyond just the left wing of her own party.

But sure, that doesn't make her not liberal. She's a Democrat. If you want to find commonalities with other liberals, you will of course find them. But also solid on national defense. She reflects her roots.

What makes her "different" is that she's not such a flamer that she can't actually get to common ground. She has a mastery of the detail, an obvious professionalism and competency, and she has that mid-western style of getting along with one's neighbors. Smart but with humor.

If we want the next President to bring the country back to some semblance of basic respect for and care for our neighbors, and a fundamental respect for the rule of law, separation of powers, dignity of the office, etc... she's the sort of person who could actually do it.

Laughing.........of course she reaches across the isles.......especially on things that money matters. ( IE: Her YES 2008 vote on the disgusting TARP bill)

In other words.....just another TAATS

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Bringing NPR up point: SPinning a false narrative of who is who. The DNC doesn't want Amy, b/c....umm....she can't win? (to quote 72)