Pretty sure my predictions of 2018 and then 2020 were far more accurate than some on here.
There are all sorts of variables affecting potential outcomes between here and 2022. My exchange with salty above addresses Pelosi's likely tactics on this specific matter given the current landscape.
My own prediction is that the Dems will hang the Jan 6 insurrection on the GOP far more effectively than if the GOP contributed constructively to the commission that is inevitable. Likewise, my prediction is that they will hang Trump's corruption around the GOP's neck far more effectively than if the GOP had distanced themselves from him.
But Pelosi is making it clear to the public that the GOP is rejecting those opportunities.
My prediction is this is going to get much, much harder for Trumpists to defend.
Yet, they will, greatly to the GOP's detriment.
Doesn't mean these are the only factors important to 2022, but if the GOP plasters themselves to Trump and defends the insurrection, it may well swamp all else.
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.... Petey, you are of course aware that 8 of the top 10 states in terms of homicides per capita (2021) voted for republicans.
Louisiana (12.4 per 100,000 people)
Missouri (9.8 per 100,000 people)
Nevada (9.1 per 100,000 people)
Maryland (9.0 per 100,000 people)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100,000 people)
Alaska (8.4 per 100,000 people)
Alabama (8.3 per 100,000 people)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100,000 people)
Tennessee (7.8 per 100,000 people)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100,000 people)
Louisiana (12.4 per 100,000 people)
Missouri (9.8 per 100,000 people)
Nevada (9.1 per 100,000 people)
Maryland (9.0 per 100,000 people)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100,000 people)
Alaska (8.4 per 100,000 people)
Alabama (8.3 per 100,000 people)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100,000 people)
Tennessee (7.8 per 100,000 people)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100,000 people)
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Chicago ain't a state is it? they can out murder most of these states on a good weekend. Per capita that is. Who runs Chicago? i think they have some pretty strict gun laws there. You would not know it by their murder rates though. Dodge City on a drunken cowboy night in the 1880's was probably a safer place to be than in Chicago circa 2021. What about them strict gun laws?? Could it be that criminals and gangbangers don't give a flying fig about gun laws?jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:09 am .... Petey, you are of course aware that 8 of the top 10 states in terms of homicides per capita (2021) voted for republicans.
Louisiana (12.4 per 100,000 people)
Missouri (9.8 per 100,000 people)
Nevada (9.1 per 100,000 people)
Maryland (9.0 per 100,000 people)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100,000 people)
Alaska (8.4 per 100,000 people)
Alabama (8.3 per 100,000 people)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100,000 people)
Tennessee (7.8 per 100,000 people)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100,000 people)
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... Illinois is 11th on the list for homicide rate.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:36 amChicago ain't a state is it? they can out murder most of these states on a good weekend. Per capita that is. Who runs Chicago? i think they have some pretty strict gun laws there. You would not know it by their murder rates though. Dodge City on a drunken cowboy night in the 1880's was probably a safer place to be than in Chicago circa 2021. What about them strict gun laws?? Could it be that criminals and gangbangers don't give a flying fig about gun laws?jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:09 am .... Petey, you are of course aware that 8 of the top 10 states in terms of homicides per capita (2021) voted for republicans.
Louisiana (12.4 per 100,000 people)
Missouri (9.8 per 100,000 people)
Nevada (9.1 per 100,000 people)
Maryland (9.0 per 100,000 people)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100,000 people)
Alaska (8.4 per 100,000 people)
Alabama (8.3 per 100,000 people)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100,000 people)
Tennessee (7.8 per 100,000 people)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100,000 people)
Florida has a higher "death by firearm rate" than Illinois, Maryland, etc., all with stronger gun control laws. Definition of homicide varies from state to state. Florida has more "deaths by firearm" not counted as homicides (7.5 per 100K) than they do homicides (5 per 100K). So either Florida has a huge suicide problem (having been there, I can understand that ), or their definition of homicide undercounts. You know, like a white man shooting and killing a black man is classified as an accident or suicide.
Maryland by comparison has 2.8 non-homicide gun deaths for every 9.0 homicide deaths. Illinois is very similar, maybe Marylanders (and Illini) are just better shots.
You want to talk about gun control, you get a very different picture when you look at the most meaningful indicator - "gun deaths per 100K".
New York (4.4), Massachusetts (3.4) and other New England states have only 25% to 35% the gun deaths per 100K that Florida (12.6) has. Strong controls vs little or no control.
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Just wait, Tejas is going to make a strong stretch run to take the crown...jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 am... Illinois is 11th on the list for homicide rate.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:36 amChicago ain't a state is it? they can out murder most of these states on a good weekend. Per capita that is. Who runs Chicago? i think they have some pretty strict gun laws there. You would not know it by their murder rates though. Dodge City on a drunken cowboy night in the 1880's was probably a safer place to be than in Chicago circa 2021. What about them strict gun laws?? Could it be that criminals and gangbangers don't give a flying fig about gun laws?jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:09 am .... Petey, you are of course aware that 8 of the top 10 states in terms of homicides per capita (2021) voted for republicans.
Louisiana (12.4 per 100,000 people)
Missouri (9.8 per 100,000 people)
Nevada (9.1 per 100,000 people)
Maryland (9.0 per 100,000 people)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100,000 people)
Alaska (8.4 per 100,000 people)
Alabama (8.3 per 100,000 people)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100,000 people)
Tennessee (7.8 per 100,000 people)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100,000 people)
Florida has a higher "death by firearm rate" than Illinois, Maryland, etc., all with stronger gun control laws. Definition of homicide varies from state to state. Florida has more "deaths by firearm" not counted as homicides (7.5 per 100K) than they do homicides (5 per 100K). So either Florida has a huge suicide problem (having been there, I can understand that ), or their definition of homicide undercounts. You know, like a white man shooting and killing a black man is classified as an accident or suicide.
Maryland by comparison has 2.8 non-homicide gun deaths for every 9.0 homicide deaths. Illinois is very similar, maybe Marylanders (and Illini) are just better shots.
You want to talk about gun control, you get a very different picture when you look at the most meaningful indicator - "gun deaths per 100K".
New York (4.4), Massachusetts (3.4) and other New England states have only 25% to 35% the gun deaths per 100K that Florida (12.6) has. Strong controls vs little or know control.
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Gun control does not mean jack diddly squat to criminals who don't care about the law to begin with. If gun control worked then you would not see the gun homicides in Chicago every damn weekend. Someday maybe that fact will come into focus in your brilliant PhD noodle. Maybe you could could do a secondary doctorate dissertation defining why some Americans just don't give a chit about obeying the law? IMO it is pretty basic... they don't give a flying fig about the law. This could keep your active and agile mind busy for a couple of years at least.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 am... Illinois is 11th on the list for homicide rate.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:36 amChicago ain't a state is it? they can out murder most of these states on a good weekend. Per capita that is. Who runs Chicago? i think they have some pretty strict gun laws there. You would not know it by their murder rates though. Dodge City on a drunken cowboy night in the 1880's was probably a safer place to be than in Chicago circa 2021. What about them strict gun laws?? Could it be that criminals and gangbangers don't give a flying fig about gun laws?jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:09 am .... Petey, you are of course aware that 8 of the top 10 states in terms of homicides per capita (2021) voted for republicans.
Louisiana (12.4 per 100,000 people)
Missouri (9.8 per 100,000 people)
Nevada (9.1 per 100,000 people)
Maryland (9.0 per 100,000 people)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100,000 people)
Alaska (8.4 per 100,000 people)
Alabama (8.3 per 100,000 people)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100,000 people)
Tennessee (7.8 per 100,000 people)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100,000 people)
Florida has a higher "death by firearm rate" than Illinois, Maryland, etc., all with stronger gun control laws. Definition of homicide varies from state to state. Florida has more "deaths by firearm" not counted as homicides (7.5 per 100K) than they do homicides (5 per 100K). So either Florida has a huge suicide problem (having been there, I can understand that ), or their definition of homicide undercounts. You know, like a white man shooting and killing a black man is classified as an accident or suicide.
Maryland by comparison has 2.8 non-homicide gun deaths for every 9.0 homicide deaths. Illinois is very similar, maybe Marylanders (and Illini) are just better shots.
You want to talk about gun control, you get a very different picture when you look at the most meaningful indicator - "gun deaths per 100K".
New York (4.4), Massachusetts (3.4) and other New England states have only 25% to 35% the gun deaths per 100K that Florida (12.6) has. Strong controls vs little or no control.
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cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:28 amGun control does not mean jack diddly squat to criminals who don't care about the law to begin with. If gun control worked then you would not see the gun homicides in Chicago every damn weekend. Someday maybe that fact will come into focus in your brilliant PhD noodle. Maybe you could could do a secondary doctorate dissertation defining why some Americans just don't give a chit about obeying the law? IMO it is pretty basic... they don't give a flying fig about the law. This could keep your active and agile mind busy for a couple of years at least.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 am... Illinois is 11th on the list for homicide rate.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:36 amChicago ain't a state is it? they can out murder most of these states on a good weekend. Per capita that is. Who runs Chicago? i think they have some pretty strict gun laws there. You would not know it by their murder rates though. Dodge City on a drunken cowboy night in the 1880's was probably a safer place to be than in Chicago circa 2021. What about them strict gun laws?? Could it be that criminals and gangbangers don't give a flying fig about gun laws?jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:09 am .... Petey, you are of course aware that 8 of the top 10 states in terms of homicides per capita (2021) voted for republicans.
Louisiana (12.4 per 100,000 people)
Missouri (9.8 per 100,000 people)
Nevada (9.1 per 100,000 people)
Maryland (9.0 per 100,000 people)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100,000 people)
Alaska (8.4 per 100,000 people)
Alabama (8.3 per 100,000 people)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100,000 people)
Tennessee (7.8 per 100,000 people)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100,000 people)
Florida has a higher "death by firearm rate" than Illinois, Maryland, etc., all with stronger gun control laws. Definition of homicide varies from state to state. Florida has more "deaths by firearm" not counted as homicides (7.5 per 100K) than they do homicides (5 per 100K). So either Florida has a huge suicide problem (having been there, I can understand that ), or their definition of homicide undercounts. You know, like a white man shooting and killing a black man is classified as an accident or suicide.
Maryland by comparison has 2.8 non-homicide gun deaths for every 9.0 homicide deaths. Illinois is very similar, maybe Marylanders (and Illini) are just better shots.
You want to talk about gun control, you get a very different picture when you look at the most meaningful indicator - "gun deaths per 100K".
New York (4.4), Massachusetts (3.4) and other New England states have only 25% to 35% the gun deaths per 100K that Florida (12.6) has. Strong controls vs little or no control.
You have a binary mind. Sorry, but it is more complicated than you think. One example, Chicago, doesn't mean gun control does not work anywhere. It means Chicago is different, a special case. New York, big city, it works. Same for Boston. Same for Honolulu. Same for dozens of other cities. Same for a number of states.
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My simple binary mind tells me that criminals will not obey gun laws. That same simple binary mind tells me law abiding citizens will obey gun laws. They have done so here in NYS with the SAFE act. They hate the law but they respect it. Tell me why that is so?jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:14 pmcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:28 amGun control does not mean jack diddly squat to criminals who don't care about the law to begin with. If gun control worked then you would not see the gun homicides in Chicago every damn weekend. Someday maybe that fact will come into focus in your brilliant PhD noodle. Maybe you could could do a secondary doctorate dissertation defining why some Americans just don't give a chit about obeying the law? IMO it is pretty basic... they don't give a flying fig about the law. This could keep your active and agile mind busy for a couple of years at least.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 am... Illinois is 11th on the list for homicide rate.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:36 amChicago ain't a state is it? they can out murder most of these states on a good weekend. Per capita that is. Who runs Chicago? i think they have some pretty strict gun laws there. You would not know it by their murder rates though. Dodge City on a drunken cowboy night in the 1880's was probably a safer place to be than in Chicago circa 2021. What about them strict gun laws?? Could it be that criminals and gangbangers don't give a flying fig about gun laws?jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:09 am .... Petey, you are of course aware that 8 of the top 10 states in terms of homicides per capita (2021) voted for republicans.
Louisiana (12.4 per 100,000 people)
Missouri (9.8 per 100,000 people)
Nevada (9.1 per 100,000 people)
Maryland (9.0 per 100,000 people)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100,000 people)
Alaska (8.4 per 100,000 people)
Alabama (8.3 per 100,000 people)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100,000 people)
Tennessee (7.8 per 100,000 people)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100,000 people)
Florida has a higher "death by firearm rate" than Illinois, Maryland, etc., all with stronger gun control laws. Definition of homicide varies from state to state. Florida has more "deaths by firearm" not counted as homicides (7.5 per 100K) than they do homicides (5 per 100K). So either Florida has a huge suicide problem (having been there, I can understand that ), or their definition of homicide undercounts. You know, like a white man shooting and killing a black man is classified as an accident or suicide.
Maryland by comparison has 2.8 non-homicide gun deaths for every 9.0 homicide deaths. Illinois is very similar, maybe Marylanders (and Illini) are just better shots.
You want to talk about gun control, you get a very different picture when you look at the most meaningful indicator - "gun deaths per 100K".
New York (4.4), Massachusetts (3.4) and other New England states have only 25% to 35% the gun deaths per 100K that Florida (12.6) has. Strong controls vs little or no control.
You have a binary mind. Sorry, but it is more complicated than you think. One example, Chicago, doesn't mean gun control does not work anywhere. It means Chicago is different, a special case. New York, big city, it works. Same for Boston. Same for Honolulu. Same for dozens of other cities. Same for a number of states.
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Chicago has an odd historycradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:22 pmMy simple binary mind tells me that criminals will not obey gun laws. That same simple binary mind tells me law abiding citizens will obey gun laws. They have done so here in NYS with the SAFE act. They hate the law but they respect it. Tell me why that is so?jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:14 pmcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:28 amGun control does not mean jack diddly squat to criminals who don't care about the law to begin with. If gun control worked then you would not see the gun homicides in Chicago every damn weekend. Someday maybe that fact will come into focus in your brilliant PhD noodle. Maybe you could could do a secondary doctorate dissertation defining why some Americans just don't give a chit about obeying the law? IMO it is pretty basic... they don't give a flying fig about the law. This could keep your active and agile mind busy for a couple of years at least.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 am... Illinois is 11th on the list for homicide rate.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:36 amChicago ain't a state is it? they can out murder most of these states on a good weekend. Per capita that is. Who runs Chicago? i think they have some pretty strict gun laws there. You would not know it by their murder rates though. Dodge City on a drunken cowboy night in the 1880's was probably a safer place to be than in Chicago circa 2021. What about them strict gun laws?? Could it be that criminals and gangbangers don't give a flying fig about gun laws?jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:09 am .... Petey, you are of course aware that 8 of the top 10 states in terms of homicides per capita (2021) voted for republicans.
Louisiana (12.4 per 100,000 people)
Missouri (9.8 per 100,000 people)
Nevada (9.1 per 100,000 people)
Maryland (9.0 per 100,000 people)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100,000 people)
Alaska (8.4 per 100,000 people)
Alabama (8.3 per 100,000 people)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100,000 people)
Tennessee (7.8 per 100,000 people)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100,000 people)
Florida has a higher "death by firearm rate" than Illinois, Maryland, etc., all with stronger gun control laws. Definition of homicide varies from state to state. Florida has more "deaths by firearm" not counted as homicides (7.5 per 100K) than they do homicides (5 per 100K). So either Florida has a huge suicide problem (having been there, I can understand that ), or their definition of homicide undercounts. You know, like a white man shooting and killing a black man is classified as an accident or suicide.
Maryland by comparison has 2.8 non-homicide gun deaths for every 9.0 homicide deaths. Illinois is very similar, maybe Marylanders (and Illini) are just better shots.
You want to talk about gun control, you get a very different picture when you look at the most meaningful indicator - "gun deaths per 100K".
New York (4.4), Massachusetts (3.4) and other New England states have only 25% to 35% the gun deaths per 100K that Florida (12.6) has. Strong controls vs little or no control.
You have a binary mind. Sorry, but it is more complicated than you think. One example, Chicago, doesn't mean gun control does not work anywhere. It means Chicago is different, a special case. New York, big city, it works. Same for Boston. Same for Honolulu. Same for dozens of other cities. Same for a number of states.
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Chicago does have a very odd history. Not obeying the law is as ingrained in Chicago tradition as a stuffed crust pizza. Nobody really seems to be able to explain why some of the strictest gun laws in the USA just don't work. Why wont these criminals obey the law, it makes no sense at all.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:26 pmChicago has an odd historycradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:22 pmMy simple binary mind tells me that criminals will not obey gun laws. That same simple binary mind tells me law abiding citizens will obey gun laws. They have done so here in NYS with the SAFE act. They hate the law but they respect it. Tell me why that is so?jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:14 pmcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:28 amGun control does not mean jack diddly squat to criminals who don't care about the law to begin with. If gun control worked then you would not see the gun homicides in Chicago every damn weekend. Someday maybe that fact will come into focus in your brilliant PhD noodle. Maybe you could could do a secondary doctorate dissertation defining why some Americans just don't give a chit about obeying the law? IMO it is pretty basic... they don't give a flying fig about the law. This could keep your active and agile mind busy for a couple of years at least.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 am... Illinois is 11th on the list for homicide rate.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:36 amChicago ain't a state is it? they can out murder most of these states on a good weekend. Per capita that is. Who runs Chicago? i think they have some pretty strict gun laws there. You would not know it by their murder rates though. Dodge City on a drunken cowboy night in the 1880's was probably a safer place to be than in Chicago circa 2021. What about them strict gun laws?? Could it be that criminals and gangbangers don't give a flying fig about gun laws?jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:09 am .... Petey, you are of course aware that 8 of the top 10 states in terms of homicides per capita (2021) voted for republicans.
Louisiana (12.4 per 100,000 people)
Missouri (9.8 per 100,000 people)
Nevada (9.1 per 100,000 people)
Maryland (9.0 per 100,000 people)
Arkansas (8.6 per 100,000 people)
Alaska (8.4 per 100,000 people)
Alabama (8.3 per 100,000 people)
Mississippi (8.2 per 100,000 people)
Tennessee (7.8 per 100,000 people)
South Carolina (7.8 per 100,000 people)
Florida has a higher "death by firearm rate" than Illinois, Maryland, etc., all with stronger gun control laws. Definition of homicide varies from state to state. Florida has more "deaths by firearm" not counted as homicides (7.5 per 100K) than they do homicides (5 per 100K). So either Florida has a huge suicide problem (having been there, I can understand that ), or their definition of homicide undercounts. You know, like a white man shooting and killing a black man is classified as an accident or suicide.
Maryland by comparison has 2.8 non-homicide gun deaths for every 9.0 homicide deaths. Illinois is very similar, maybe Marylanders (and Illini) are just better shots.
You want to talk about gun control, you get a very different picture when you look at the most meaningful indicator - "gun deaths per 100K".
New York (4.4), Massachusetts (3.4) and other New England states have only 25% to 35% the gun deaths per 100K that Florida (12.6) has. Strong controls vs little or no control.
You have a binary mind. Sorry, but it is more complicated than you think. One example, Chicago, doesn't mean gun control does not work anywhere. It means Chicago is different, a special case. New York, big city, it works. Same for Boston. Same for Honolulu. Same for dozens of other cities. Same for a number of states.
https://www.chicagoganghistory.com/
https://www.chicagoreporter.com/chicago ... d-too/?amp
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory. ... s/497.html
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right wingers insisted on having endless investigations into Benghazi but want to side step the matter of the treasonous insurrection:
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Mother of deceased Capitol Police officer presses GOP senators to back Jan. 6 commission
Gladys Sicknick, mother of Brian Sicknick, requested sit-downs with Republicans to discuss “the importance” of an independent investigation into the deadly insurrection — as a key Senate vote looms.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/2 ... n-6-490943
Gladys Sicknick, mother of Brian Sicknick, requested sit-downs with Republicans to discuss “the importance” of an independent investigation into the deadly insurrection — as a key Senate vote looms.
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She should get what she is asking for. There are a ton of questions left unanswered after 1/6/21. There was an epic fail from the leadership level in DC.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:50 pm Mother of deceased Capitol Police officer presses GOP senators to back Jan. 6 commission
Gladys Sicknick, mother of Brian Sicknick, requested sit-downs with Republicans to discuss “the importance” of an independent investigation into the deadly insurrection — as a key Senate vote looms.
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An alternate #January6thCommission. Created by executive order with only the two co-chairs appointed by Pres. Biden: Pres. George W. Bush(R) and Pres. Barack Obama(D). Bush and Obama pick the remaining members. Mix of public & private funding. Commission determines end date.
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Not to do Larry’s work for him, so put on the commission the only member of Congress w/ authority to issue committee subpoenas on his own signature. That will get you all the docs; hard cases that refuse to testify before commission can be hauled before subcommittee. cc @ossoff
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Fun fact, the only Senator with the unilateral power to issue subpoenas is Jon @ossoff, who was just named chairman of Joe McCarthy’s old outfit, the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations (of what’s now called the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee)
An alternate #January6thCommission. Created by executive order with only the two co-chairs appointed by Pres. Biden: Pres. George W. Bush(R) and Pres. Barack Obama(D). Bush and Obama pick the remaining members. Mix of public & private funding. Commission determines end date.
Carlos Mucha @mucha_carlos
Not to do Larry’s work for him, so put on the commission the only member of Congress w/ authority to issue committee subpoenas on his own signature. That will get you all the docs; hard cases that refuse to testify before commission can be hauled before subcommittee. cc @ossoff
Carlos Mucha @mucha_carlos
Fun fact, the only Senator with the unilateral power to issue subpoenas is Jon @ossoff, who was just named chairman of Joe McCarthy’s old outfit, the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations (of what’s now called the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee)
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You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
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Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
... I wondered last week why they weren't considering a Presidential Commission. Seems like the obvious solution to the problem. Dems should enlist Sicknick's mom to run TV ads shaming the republiCONs.CU88 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 3:02 pm Larry Sabato @LarrySabato
An alternate #January6thCommission. Created by executive order with only the two co-chairs appointed by Pres. Biden: Pres. George W. Bush(R) and Pres. Barack Obama(D). Bush and Obama pick the remaining members. Mix of public & private funding. Commission determines end date.
Carlos Mucha @mucha_carlos
Not to do Larry’s work for him, so put on the commission the only member of Congress w/ authority to issue committee subpoenas on his own signature. That will get you all the docs; hard cases that refuse to testify before commission can be hauled before subcommittee. cc @ossoff
Carlos Mucha @mucha_carlos
Fun fact, the only Senator with the unilateral power to issue subpoenas is Jon @ossoff, who was just named chairman of Joe McCarthy’s old outfit, the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations (of what’s now called the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee)
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Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Good idea. It's time to make the Repukies pay for their crime and treason.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
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Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Will this personal appeal sway the resistant?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpos ... story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpos ... story.html
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
U.S. Code
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death
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The ideal solution to the crimes committed on January 6. Only a traitor would disagree.
U.S. Code
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death
https://i0.wp.com/www.pledgebank.com/pi ... nalty.jpeg
The ideal solution to the crimes committed on January 6. Only a traitor would disagree.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
We're not confident that the FBi & DoJ will unearth sufficient evidence of a conspiracy, so we need an extralegal political mechanism to establish that conspiracy, ...before the 2022 election.
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Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
You want, instead, to deep six Republican complicity with and encouragement in an uprising that overwhelmed the cops, stormed through the private offices of elected representatives of government, and exhibited a lawlessness that our capitol hasn't really ever seen. Check, as usual. You know, I am certain, that this needs review and investigation, every bit as much or more than most things investigated by the Congress. But your post is on brand: mock it and hide it because it will likely show GOP perfidy.
A Presidential Commission is a nice idea. Larry Sabato suggests co-chairs Bush 2 and Obama, and they choose the membership of the Commission and timetable. But the issue is subpoena power, and the ability to compel the disclosure of records and testimony.