2021 Tewaaraton watch list released

[Cletus]

Looks to pass? How many assists did she have last weekend?

How is one contradicting the other? Everytime a player passes out of tight coverage they need an assist to show for it?

[Cletus]

so....questions answered.

Nope--not yet...

Well, let me ask you this then--are folks saying that about her days at Duke only? Have you heard those same reports since she's arrived at BC? Have you heard the same things about her this year?

I answered that.....Past and Present....^

So you did. Well, I guess it comes down to what the coach thinks:


“She’s incredible. She’s a really good kid,” Walker-Weinstein said. “She’s fit in really nicely with our culture, which is obviously your biggest worry when you have transfers. She’s so loved and she’s so fun. In my opinion, she’s one of the most dynamic players I’ve seen in years. Some of the things she does reminds me of Kayla Treanor.”

Walker-Weinstein said she hasn’t had discussions with North about replacing any of the Big Three.

“That’s not who she is,” Walker-Weinstein said. “She’s organic. She’s very secure in her game. She’s not trying to be Sam. She’s not trying to be anybody but herself.”


If other people don't like it, I guess they go pound sand, or whisper to you.

[Can Opener]

I know all of this stuff is distracting and fun banter. Full disclosure, I sometimes enjoy rolling a flash bang under the tent to get folks riled up. All kidding and homerism aside, this trope about her being selfish is just way off base. I have some reasonably close ties to the program and better sources than "I know a guy who says he talked to an assistant coach." I have spoken to current teammates, past BC teammates, current coaches, and BC parents in unguarded moments where it would be very easy to give an eye roll or wink on this subject. We all know a dozen polite ways to convey that a player isn't well-regarded. But 100% of the time 100% of those folks have nothing but good things to say about her leadership, sportsmanship and putting her team first. If they are lying, they should all quit school and their day jobs to pursue acting or the WSP. She and her family are kind and gracious in person. If the fist pumping ain't your thing, fine. I get it. I have spent plenty of Sundays yelling at the TV about touchdown celebrations. I promise you that getting fired up after a goal is all about passion for the game, not showboating for the cameras.

Attempt at bipartisanship officially concluded. Back to my more natural state of advanced Italian Alzheimer's -- I only remember my grudges.

[DMac]

That's pretty darn good, CO, and I don't find it all hard to believe. I didn't like Charlotte at all when I first saw her and I didn't really see all that much of her when she played at Duke. Her celebrations were just too much, too aggressive, too in your face bishes, too macho. Her play though, spoke for itself, just an incredible talent with a real high level of competitive spirit.
Listened to the podcast that was posted here (probably by you) have also seen her interviewed a couple times which is why I don't have a hard time believing what you're saying. I had a different opinion of her after listening to her talk about her love and passion for the game, her team and teammates, and her decision to transfer to BC. She's rather likable.
I like the stick toss and celebration in wlax, think it's pretty cool. Charlotte could lighten up her celebration a bit, maybe a little softer touch like Maddy Baxter does, but hey, she's a Texan. They're all a little over the top, aren't they? Including my recent A&M graduate gkids (twins).

[Cletus]

I sometimes enjoy rolling a flash bang under the tent to get folks riled up.

I have some reasonably close ties to the program and better sources than "I know a guy who says he talked to an assistant coach."

Back to my more natural state of advanced Italian Alzheimer's -- I only remember my grudges.

Great lines. Good laugh from #2

[DMac]

If you can toss flash bangs you can throw what ifs in just to kick things up a notch too.
What if #s 22 and 51 for the Cuse don't go down and out, what's that do to the five
finalists list? Any reason to think they don't have stellar years, including at the draw?
Which one(s) is/are taken off the list to make room for one, maybe two?

[Cletus]

If you can toss flash bangs you can throw what ifs in just to kick things up a notch too.
What if #s 22 and 51 for the Cuse don't go down and out, what's that do to the five
finalists list? Any reason to think they don't have stellar years, including at the draw?
Which one(s) is/are taken off the list to make room for one, maybe two?

You never know with the committee's bias for Maryland, but Colson's out and 51 is in. Though Carney is a great player, I don't think she has the resume (yet?) to move anyone else off the list. But for certain sure, 51 belongs.

By the way, D--I don't know if you got a chance to listen to this when it dropped a number of weeks back, but the Meg Show makes for a good podcast, too.

https://twitter.com/USALacrosseMag/stat ... 23715?s=20

[Can Opener]

Here are a few stats from the top four Tewaaraton finalists' performances over the weekend.

North - Team wins over Fairfield (19-6) and Temple (21-11)
15G 0A 71.4%SH 0TO 2CT 22DC 65.5%TeamDC

Scane - Team win over Denver 19-4
8G 3A 57%SH 2TO 0CT 1DC

Ortega - Team win over JMU 14-9
4G 0A 44%SH 2TO 0CT 0DC

Moreno - Team win over JMU 14-9
9SV 9GA 50%SV

That is my order on who had the best weekend making her case for the Tewy. North vs. Scane is really close, but I think North gets the edge because of DCs, shot % and lack of TOs. As a goalie, Moreno really needs to do something extraordinary to pass CN and IS. Having said that, her path to the Tewy (hate to say it) probably involves JO continuing to put up so-so numbers and then standing on her head in the championship game against NU. So in that sense, it was a good start for TM.

If you need more evidence on why CN had the better weekend, check out the highlights below. Yes, Izzy scores a lot of goals, but I have never seen her do anything like this:
https://twitter.com/BCwlax/status/13939 ... 08548?s=20
https://twitter.com/BCwlax/status/13940 ... 47587?s=20
https://twitter.com/BCwlax/status/13932 ... 91810?s=20

Here are some updated numbers from the weekend.

North - Team win over ND 21-10
8G 1A 73%SH 2TO 0CT 7DC 73%TeamDC

Ortega - Team win over SB 14-11
4G 3A 57%SH 2TO 1CT 0DC

Scane - Team win over Duke 22-10
5G 2A 50%SH 6TO 1CT 1DC

Moreno Team win over SB 14-11
8SV 11GA 42%SV

That is my order on who had the best weekend. North set the NCAA record for tournament goals with one or two more games to go. She is averaging 7.7 GPG and shooting 72% for the tournament. I don't follow NU closely enough to understand why IS consistently has a lower shooting % than CN and JO. That is part of why I ranked her below JO this week. She also did not help her case with 6 TOs and 2 yellow cards yesterday. Again, North leading her team to domination on DCs is a big plus. I suppose you could make a case for JO having a better day based on more assists in a tight game, but goals, DCs and shot % cinch it for CN. Moreno will need a huge final four to have a chance.

[njbill]

Thank you, Mr. North.

Yes, she had a great game yesterday, and I would agree it was the best performance of the four remaining candidates. (Colson is out in my book. Actually, never should have been in.)

Just my feeling, but I don’t think they are going to give it to a goalie two years in a row.

So that leaves North, Ortega, and Scane. I frankly think it is a pretty wide-open race. The simplistic thinking would be to say the player on the winning team will get it, but I’m not so sure of that.

I suspect, though, that the winner will at least need to make it to the final game, and have a very strong performance in that game if her team doesn’t win (or at least appreciably stronger than her competitor).

I don’t think BC beats UNC, so under my analysis, that will rule out North.

It’s a real shame Syracuse is not at full strength, but I think NU beats this Syracuse team.

That means the Tewaaraton comes down to Scane and Ortega. Winner takes all? Maybe. Actually, that is where my money is short of a really strong game from the player on the losing team (certainly possible) and a clunker from the one on the winner (unlikely).

[wlaxphan20]

Thank you, Mr. North.

Yes, she had a great game yesterday, and I would agree it was the best performance of the four remaining candidates. (Colson is out in my book. Actually, never should have been in.)

Just my feeling, but I don’t think they are going to give it to a goalie two years in a row.

So that leaves North, Ortega, and Scane. I frankly think it is a pretty wide-open race. The simplistic thinking would be to say the player on the winning team will get it, but I’m not so sure of that.

I suspect, though, that the winner will at least need to make it to the final game, and have a very strong performance in that game if her team doesn’t win (or at least appreciably stronger than her competitor).

I don’t think BC beats UNC, so under my analysis, that will rule out North.

It’s a real shame Syracuse is not at full strength, but I think NU beats this Syracuse team.

That means the Tewaaraton comes down to Scane and Ortega. Winner takes all? Maybe. Actually, that is where my money is short of a really strong game from the player on the losing team (certainly possible) and a clunker from the one on the winner (unlikely).

I agree with a lot of the above!

I think the semi final between BC and UNC will make or break JO, CN, and Moreno's chances. If BC defeats the Heels I see CN's chances go up exponentially.

If BC loses I think it's going to depend on JO & Moreno's performances in the semi final AND the championship game. For example, JO could have her usual 4-5 goals & 2-3 assists but if the game-deciding plays are saves and not goals - Moreno likely wins it. The debate of Moreno and JO is interesting because they're on the same team. If UNC wins the title I think you almost have to look at JO and Moreno through a Wins Above Replacement-type lens for the semi's and (if UNC advances) finals.

If NU gets bounced in the semi's Scane is out, but if she takes her team all the way it's hers.

I don't think any player has enough clout to win if their team doesn't win the championship.

Still a lot of moving parts even though we're down to the Final Four.

[Dr. Tact]

Thank you, Mr. North.

Yes, she had a great game yesterday, and I would agree it was the best performance of the four remaining candidates. (Colson is out in my book. Actually, never should have been in.)

Just my feeling, but I don’t think they are going to give it to a goalie two years in a row.

So that leaves North, Ortega, and Scane. I frankly think it is a pretty wide-open race. The simplistic thinking would be to say the player on the winning team will get it, but I’m not so sure of that.

I suspect, though, that the winner will at least need to make it to the final game, and have a very strong performance in that game if her team doesn’t win (or at least appreciably stronger than her competitor).

I don’t think BC beats UNC, so under my analysis, that will rule out North.

It’s a real shame Syracuse is not at full strength, but I think NU beats this Syracuse team.

That means the Tewaaraton comes down to Scane and Ortega. Winner takes all? Maybe. Actually, that is where my money is short of a really strong game from the player on the losing team (certainly possible) and a clunker from the one on the winner (unlikely).

I agree with a lot of the above!

I think the semi final between BC and UNC will make or break JO, CN, and Moreno's chances. If BC defeats the Heels I see CN's chances go up exponentially.

If BC loses I think it's going to depend on JO & Moreno's performances in the semi final AND the championship game. For example, JO could have her usual 4-5 goals & 2-3 assists but if the game-deciding plays are saves and not goals - Moreno likely wins it. The debate of Moreno and JO is interesting because they're on the same team. If UNC wins the title I think you almost have to look at JO and Moreno through a Wins Above Replacement-type lens for the semi's and (if UNC advances) finals.

If NU gets bounced in the semi's Scane is out, but if she takes her team all the way it's hers.

I don't think any player has enough clout to win if their team doesn't win the championship.

Still a lot of moving parts even though we're down to the Final Four.

I think even if BC loses, if CN has a monster game, she wins. If BC wins the game, she wins....so, only path I see is that she gets held to 1 or 2 goals and BC loses.

After watching the last game with D, who knows more than I, the feeling at the Dr.'s house was that she is the best/most dynamic offensive player in the NCAAs. Such a phenomenal shot.

Then again, if JM has two monster games she has a chance. I dont think Izzy or Moreno win it.

[wlaxphan20]

Dr - if she has a monster game in the semi's? or finals?

I agree with your D on North! There's a certain member of the coaching staff at BC who was also legendary highlight-reel attacker and DC specialist who was passed over 3x. With no TC21-like candidates this year though, I'd say North's chances are stronger than Treanor's were.

I think Moreno has the smallest chance as well. Scane will be back next season and will likely benefit with an out of conference schedule.

[Cletus]

Scane will be back next season and will likely benefit with an out of conference schedule.

Northwestern stands to lose a good chunk of their starters if all these grads and seniors choose to graduate this year. I'm excited to see the schedules for all the Big 10 teams next year. Crank up the ACC vs Big 10 comparisons again.

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[Can Opener]

Interesting scenario I hadn't considered -- if Cuse prevails this afternoon, North is your 2021 Tewaaraton Award winner. I was rooting for Cuse anyway, but this will be the floater on my cocktail.

[Cletus]

Interesting scenario I hadn't considered -- if Cuse prevails this afternoon, North is your 2021 Tewaaraton Award winner. I was rooting for Cuse anyway, but this will be the floater on my cocktail.

Yep--two Carolina blues off the stage in one fell swoop. Moreno was blinded by the light coming from the other cage. And I have never seen a team shut down Jamie Ortega like that. Stunning performance by BC.

[Cletus]

I'll be shocked if Charlotte North doesn't win the Tewaaraton now. I read some of the ridiculous posts alleging North's ineffectiveness in yesterday's game. First off--are they even in the final four without North's 96 goals and 170 draw controls? Secondly--if you just want to make it about yesterday's performance--even better for North's case:

North had two goals and an assist for 3 points, figuring in 3 of the teams 11 goals. You work out the percentage. Only teammate Jenn Medjid had more goals or points than North. Only two members of the Tar Heels had more goals and points than North. Charlotte had two electrifying goals at key times during the game yesterday. Her first goal, which developed because of the deftest ground ball pickup running at near top speed I've ever seen, and then the spectacular goal following to tie the game at 4. North then set up Medjid a little over a minute later for the go ahead goal--a lead they would not share or relinquish for the remainder of the game.

Then the silly draw control argument. Fine--North technically didn't win any draw controls? How about the 7 the team got? She had nothing to do with that? She gets no credit for telling her teammates where to go and winning the draw in that direction? Or getting in the way of an opponent so a teammate could grab the loose ball?

And to top it off--all these nit-picky critiques on North for a game BC won. That's usually only done when a team loses. Please.

So who should the award be given to instead--Scane? Scane is nowhere near being in the same category as North because of the draw control statistic. North 170 Scane 12. And for goals: North 96 Scane 98. Ortega? 82 goals 0 DC's. Moreno? Colson? Stop it already.

Oh, and just for good measure, North now owns the NCAA Tournament all time record for goals scored which she broke a few days ago, and she still has one game to play.

If the committee gives it to anyone but North--they'll get it tragically wrong.

[seacoaster]

I'll be shocked if Charlotte North doesn't win the Tewaaraton now. I read some of the ridiculous posts alleging North's ineffectiveness in yesterday's game. First off--are they even in the final four without North's 96 goals and 170 draw controls? Secondly--if you just want to make it about yesterday's performance--even better for North's case:

North had two goals and an assist for 3 points, figuring in 3 of the teams 11 goals. You work out the percentage. Only teammate Jenn Medjid had more goals or points than North. Only two members of the Tar Heels had more goals and points than North. Charlotte had two electrifying goals at key times during the game yesterday. Her first goal, which developed because of the deftest ground ball pickup running at near top speed I've ever seen, and then the spectacular goal following to tie the game at 4. North then set up Medjid a little over a minute later for the go ahead goal--a lead they would not share or relinquish for the remainder of the game.

Then the silly draw control argument. Fine--North technically didn't win any draw controls? How about the 7 the team got? She had nothing to do with that? She gets no credit for telling her teammates where to go and winning the draw in that direction? Or getting in the way of an opponent so a teammate could grab the loose ball?

And to top it off--all these nit-picky critiques on North for a game BC won. That's usually only done when a team loses. Please.

So who should the award be given to instead--Scane? Scane is nowhere near being in the same category as North because of the draw control statistic. North 170 Scane 12. And for goals: North 96 Scane 98. Ortega? 82 goals 0 DC's. Moreno? Colson? Stop it already.

Oh, and just for good measure, North now owns the NCAA Tournament all time record for goals scored which she broke a few days ago, and she still has one game to play.

If the committee gives it to anyone but North--they'll get it tragically wrong.

Agree with your conclusion here.

[8meterPA]

Actually I think Meaghan Tyrrell deserves it, especially when she has the game I think she will in the final.

[Cletus]

Actually I think Meaghan Tyrrell deserves it, especially when she haves the game I think she will in the final.

Moot point.

[8meterPA]

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