HopFan16 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:47 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:11 pm
jrn19 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:33 pm
Desko’s last 10 years he has 1 Final Four. Last 5 years he has 1 NCAA Tournament win and in this year one of the more disappointing years in team history.
Yes, i know.
My question to you is, which of the two are more likely:
1. That two HOF coaches in Desko and Petro, who have a combined Seven Championship rings suddenly "forgot" how to coach and develop players over the last ten years or,
2. That both coaches did a poor job recruiting with all the changes in the lacrosse and cultural landscape, and the top players landed elsewhere?
I know where my money is. This isn't a complicated sport.
You keep setting up a flawed premise. It's not so black and white.
You're moving the goalposts on me here. I'm not talking about a coach making a team a little better or a little worse based on many valid factors you have listed.....
What I was talking about is
making Final Fours on a consistent basis as a program. If that's the goal? All the coaching in the world won't get you there without elite talent. And Petro and Desko
haven't had that since Donahue & Rice, and Stanwick & Brown left. And do you remember how those teams did when Desko and Petro had those elite players?
Syracuse hasn't had a top 20 scorer since 2015. Do you think this---and the poorer results on the field--- is some super coincidence?
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:47 pm
It's possible to underachieve even if you don't have championship caliber talent. Did you watch the Mount St. Mary's game last year? Do you think that 2020 MSM team had the same amount of talent as Hopkins just because the game went to overtime?
I did see it. And I thought the same thing that I did when Bryant almost beat UVa. 1. upsets happen in sports and 2.The talent disparity in D1 is shrinking.
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:47 pm
No one is arguing Petro squandered championship talent.
Complete buffalo bagels. Over the last five years, DOZENS of posters on the Hop thread claimed that Petro had elite classes coming in. And claimed that Petro and Benson ruined them and/or didn't play the right guys. Remember all the whining about Zinn not playing? Suddenly all those Monday morning QB's are quiet now that they know that they were loading absurd expectation on the kid, and he just wasn't an elite middie (no shame in being a D1 caliber middie).
THAT is what I've been reacting to....and some SU fans are making the same dumb complaints. It really makes me wonder if they bother paying attention to the other top teams for even a single game a year. We don't have a Sowers. We don't have a Gray. I have NO IDEA how a seasoned lacrosse fan doesn't see this.
And I'm also reacting to the absurd idea that the difference between Sowers and (pick any current Syracuse attackman) is coaching and player development. If that was anywhere close to true, I would have started at Syracuse during the Gait era.
And I recognize that you aren't one of these unreasonable homer fans, HopFan. My post is aimed at the unreasonable fans on the Hop thread over the last few years. And heck, many of those with the stupid, moronic "Inside lacrosse sez Hopkins has the #1 recruiting class" garbage aren't even Hop fans.