pcowlax wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:30 pmI guess I phrased that poorly. It isn't crazy to think that he might go, I personally just feel that would be a crazy decision. Again, assuming there isn't a huge financial discrepancy, he is beloved at Yale, has basically lifetime job security, has seemingly found a recruiting sweet spot where he gets some diamonds in the rough that he coaches up but also now several top flight blue chippers annually (really hard to say that headaches with recruiting at Ivys are an issue for him looking at his last few classes), plays in a league that will get multiple bids virtually every year but isn't the complete cage fight of the ACC and while New Haven isn't Boston, is has a lot of great cultural offerings, major cities that are much closer than at Syracuse and he gets to live near the beach. He goes to Cuse and half a season in he could be looking at the feelings towards Milliman for much of this year on the Hopkins board.HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:17 pmI don't think Shay would leave Yale for Cuse but I also don't think it's that crazy. He went to nearby Le Moyne for college and Cortland for high school. Provided he would get a nontrivial pay bump—that might be enough to avoid any further headaches stemming from the Ivy administration. There's a reason a bunch of good coaches have left the Ivy League recently. Tierney, Milliman, Tambroni, Tillman, Tiffany (man, lots of "T" names here). If the money is good these Ivy coaches can be had. Now whether or not Syracuse is the right fit for him given all that's transpired there recently is another question.
Huge Yale and Shay fan here and I've expressed my quite uninformed sense of the probability of Shay moving on to Syracuse above. There are two issues at play here. The first is is Desko going to be given the option to continue on at Syracuse? If the answer is yes, from what I've seen and heard from the man I would assume he would be more than happy to be back at Syracuse. If the answer is no then the search for a suitable replacement will begin if it hasn't already. Andy Shay is going to be at the top of any search for such a replacement, especially given what he has accomplished at Yale added to the fact that his upstate New York roots run deep.
Pcowlax gives some fairly compelling arguments above for why Shay might want to stay at Yale. On the hand there are some compelling reasons for him to make the shift. As CanOpener laid them out nicely on the coaching carousel board :
Here are a few reasons why an Ivy coach would consider the Syracuse job:
* Much more flexible admissions standards and ability to provide 100% admissions commitment on September 1 of junior year
* Full quiver of scholarships vs. no scholarships
* Direct access to one of the best talent bases in the world
* Membership in the best lacrosse conference in the U.S.
* Better TV exposure
* Easier to command a premium salary without raising the hackles of faculty members who earn much less
* Better camp revenue
* Deep history of national success and tradition
* Iconic venue
* More committed fan base
* Better support of the program from the athletic department and university administration (as evidenced by the 2021 Ivy debacle)
* Start spring practices weeks before the Ivy league
* More options for undergraduate majors and professional training vs. liberal arts curriculum
* Better place to raise a family than New Haven (Shay specific)
I obviously have no idea how these issues would weigh out in Andy's mind and I'm sure if offered the opportunity to coach at Syracuse he would consider them all and fairly deeply, and make a decision based on what he judges to be best for himself and his family ( I assume his wife will have plenty of input). If it turns out Andy gets and takes the opportunity to coach at Syracuse in my mind it won't diminish in the least what he has done for the Yale program. If he would rather coach somewhere else rather than Yale he has certainly fulfilled any obligation of loyalty he should feel towards Yale, and I would personally rather have him coaching there than turning down the job and kicking himself for having done so. If the opportunity to coach at Syracuse is given to him and he turns it down because he would rather continue coaching at Yale, having already nixed the idea of coaching at Hopkins it would signify to me that Yale can count on Shay roaming their sidelines for a number of years to come. All I could say to that would be AMEN and thank you baby Jesus.