All things CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

What evidence do you have that it was developed and released?....you imply that being developed and released is certain....Not what Xi told your guy.

Too much of a coincidence that it broke out in Wuhan. Too far from the bat caves.

Who made the determination with certainty that “covid was developed and released”?

[old salt]

What evidence do you have that it was developed and released?....you imply that being developed and released is certain....Not what Xi told your guy.

Too much of a coincidence that it broke out in Wuhan. Too far from the bat caves.

Who made the determination with certainty that “covid was developed and released”?

The bats did it in their cave lab.

[Typical Lax Dad]

What evidence do you have that it was developed and released?....you imply that being developed and released is certain....Not what Xi told your guy.

Too much of a coincidence that it broke out in Wuhan. Too far from the bat caves.

Who made the determination with certainty that “covid was developed and released”?

The bats did it in their cave lab.

That’s what I figured. Hopefully your acolytes will “stroke” your ego.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-01205-5

My dog is losing her hearing....you have any advice?

[old salt]

What evidence do you have that it was developed and released?....you imply that being developed and released is certain....Not what Xi told your guy.

Too much of a coincidence that it broke out in Wuhan. Too far from the bat caves.

Who made the determination with certainty that “covid was developed and released”?

The bats did it in their cave lab.

That’s what I figured. Hopefully your acolytes will “stroke” your ego.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-01205-5

My dog is losing her hearing....you have any advice?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Just an coincidence that the outbreak was in Wuhan, of all places.

The Chinese have been totally transparent since the outbreak,
shame on Trump for cutting NIH funding to their smokescreen.

[Typical Lax Dad]

What evidence do you have that it was developed and released?....you imply that being developed and released is certain....Not what Xi told your guy.

Too much of a coincidence that it broke out in Wuhan. Too far from the bat caves.

Who made the determination with certainty that “covid was developed and released”?

The bats did it in their cave lab.

That’s what I figured. Hopefully your acolytes will “stroke” your ego.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-01205-5

My dog is losing her hearing....you have any advice?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Just an coincidence that the outbreak was in Wuhan, of all places.

The Chinese have been totally transparent since the outbreak,
shame on Trump for cutting NIH funding to their smokescreen.

You are the guy that indicated that it is certain that COVID-19 was developed and released. I was just asking where it was determined. You submit your paper for publication?

[Farfromgeneva]

Hello.

I’ve already explained how it happened before. And Disney was involved too. Here’s a re enactment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3BLER7MQm4k

[Typical Lax Dad]

Hello.

I’ve already explained how it happened before. And Disney was involved too. Here’s a re enactment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3BLER7MQm4k

Dr. Oz said a small animal had sex with a Pangolin.....he actually claimed that last year.....Old Salt said it was from people eating bats. I see his conspiracy game is still strong.

[wgdsr]

have to say, the lab leak doesn't interest me nearly as much as a bat soup, wet market, bat jump. but i'm pretty agnostic anyway.

however... the dialogue fascinates me on either side. firing up as to the certainty of science on one side and the other.

especially not long after the anniversary of "masks". great stuff, boys.

[Typical Lax Dad]

have to say, the lab leak doesn't interest me nearly as much as a bat soup, wet market, bat jump. but i'm pretty agnostic anyway.

however... the dialogue fascinates me on either side. firing up as to the certainty of science on one side and the other.

especially not long after the anniversary of "masks". great stuff, boys.

I was just wondering where it was determined with “certainty”.... I could live with “IF” but Old Skipper said it has been determined to be a certainty.....BTW, I believe I posted the first gain of function link last year. My crazy ass brother was ranting about it....he ordered his family haz-mat suits.

[wgdsr]

have to say, the lab leak doesn't interest me nearly as much as a bat soup, wet market, bat jump. but i'm pretty agnostic anyway.

however... the dialogue fascinates me on either side. firing up as to the certainty of science on one side and the other.

especially not long after the anniversary of "masks". great stuff, boys.

I was just wondering where it was determined with “certainty”.... I could live with “IF” but Old Skipper said it has been determined to be a certainty.....BTW, I believe I posted the first gain of function link last year. My crazy ass brother was ranting about it....he ordered his family haz-mat suits.

you sound like me!!!

[Farfromgeneva]

Hello.

I’ve already explained how it happened before. And Disney was involved too. Here’s a re enactment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3BLER7MQm4k

Dr. Oz said a small animal had sex with a Pangolin.....he actually claimed that last year.....Old Salt said it was from people eating bats. I see his conspiracy game is still strong.

But did you know that Mickey for down like that?

[old salt]

have to say, the lab leak doesn't interest me nearly as much as a bat soup, wet market, bat jump. but i'm pretty agnostic anyway.

however... the dialogue fascinates me on either side. firing up as to the certainty of science on one side and the other.

especially not long after the anniversary of "masks". great stuff, boys.

I was just wondering where it was determined with “certainty”.... I could live with “IF” but Old Skipper said it has been determined to be a certainty.....BTW, I believe I posted the first gain of function link last year. My crazy ass brother was ranting about it....he ordered his family haz-mat suits.

Certainty is your word, not mine. It's a remarkable coincidence the outbreak was in Wuhan.
What would MDLF76, Rachel Maddow & you be saying if the outbreak was in Fredrick, MD ?

I suppose the alternative theory is that it was "developed" in a bat or another mammal which was then bat-bitten or ate the bat, then was "released" when it jumped to humans when the mammal was slaughtered in the wet market. What are your family members & other expert friends telling you.

Too bad that telegenic Georgetown prof you linked lost her NIH research grant.

Enjoy your bat soup. Thanks for elevating the discussion.

[Bart]

have to say, the lab leak doesn't interest me nearly as much as a bat soup, wet market, bat jump. but i'm pretty agnostic anyway.

however... the dialogue fascinates me on either side. firing up as to the certainty of science on one side and the other.

especially not long after the anniversary of "masks". great stuff, boys.

I was just wondering where it was determined with “certainty”.... I could live with “IF” but Old Skipper said it has been determined to be a certainty.....BTW, I believe I posted the first gain of function link last year. My crazy ass brother was ranting about it....he ordered his family haz-mat suits.

Certainty is your word, not mine. It's a remarkable coincidence the outbreak was in Wuhan.
What would MDLF76, Rachel Maddow & you be saying if the outbreak was in Fredrick, MD ?

I suppose the alternative theory is that it was "developed" in a bat or another mammal which was then bat-bitten or ate the bat, then was "released" when it jumped to humans when the mammal was slaughtered in the wet market. What are your family members & other expert friends telling you.

Too bad that telegenic Georgetown prof you linked lost her NIH research grant.

Enjoy your bat soup. Thanks for elevating the discussion.

You do realize that people loose and get their NIH grants back all the time right? It all depends who is the head of your study group and whom else is submitting during that cycle.

[Typical Lax Dad]

have to say, the lab leak doesn't interest me nearly as much as a bat soup, wet market, bat jump. but i'm pretty agnostic anyway.

however... the dialogue fascinates me on either side. firing up as to the certainty of science on one side and the other.

especially not long after the anniversary of "masks". great stuff, boys.

I was just wondering where it was determined with “certainty”.... I could live with “IF” but Old Skipper said it has been determined to be a certainty.....BTW, I believe I posted the first gain of function link last year. My crazy ass brother was ranting about it....he ordered his family haz-mat suits.

Certainty is your word, not mine. It's a remarkable coincidence the outbreak was in Wuhan.
What would MDLF76, Rachel Maddow & you be saying if the outbreak was in Fredrick, MD ?

I suppose the alternative theory is that it was "developed" in a bat or another mammal which was then bat-bitten or ate the bat, then was "released" when it jumped to humans when the mammal was slaughtered in the wet market. What are your family members & other expert friends telling you.

Too bad that telegenic Georgetown prof you linked lost her NIH research grant.

Enjoy your bat soup. Thanks for elevating the discussion.

No “greater certainty” was your words dude....thanks for spreading fake news. Ain’t nobody determined nothing is certain Old Swami.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Hello.

I’ve already explained how it happened before. And Disney was involved too. Here’s a re enactment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3BLER7MQm4k

Dr. Oz said a small animal had sex with a Pangolin.....he actually claimed that last year.....Old Salt said it was from people eating bats. I see his conspiracy game is still strong.

But did you know that Mickey for down like that?

Mickey started Covid by partying at Wuhan Disney!

[Typical Lax Dad]

Guy too proud to say... “I should have used the word if”

“we need to determine, with greater certainty, how it developed & was released, rather than dismiss the question for political reasons.”

“If” is a powerful little word. He didn’t really need to insert “with greater certainty”. He decided to add that. Take that out and his point is the same. Throwing chum for his acolytes isn’t an accident.

[MDlaxfan76]

The only notion that I object to is the notion that any of us on here have denied that there is a "REAL possibility" that it could have been out of a lab. Of course it should be "considered".

But it shouldn't be assumed, nor be a political bludgeon.

What I do think should be "assumed" is that because there's at least such a possibility, safety protocols should be a priority. How do we better ensure that any labs involved are super safe?

The bigger issue is even doing gain-of-function research & why.
No matter the rationale, it still can be used as a bio-weapon.
The same result if there is an accidental release.
The benefit does not justify the risk or the potential for misuse.
It's just too much of a coincidence that the outbreak was in Wuhan.

Tell it Ft. Dietrich.
I don't agree re the research, but I'd note that neither of us is an expert in this field.

I attended a 1 month Army NBC Warfare Officer course at Ft McClennan. ...guess what the B stands for.

One of my jobs was to prepare our base for NBC defense, how to react to attacks, triage, treat & decontaminate.,

Well, I haven't even stayed in a Holiday Inn recently...but yeah, that doesn't make you an expert either.

I was trained on bio-weapons. Expert enough that it was part of my "job description". Anthrax was big then.

"gain of function" research...I'm from Missouri that you were trained in that area of science, its benefits and risks. Bio-weapon response is another matter, and I'm confident you know why it's such a serious issue for concern. In no way denigrating that perspective.

I have a couple of decades of VC background in the biotech space, but I'm not claiming that I'm an "expert" on the next biotech breakthrough. On the other hand, I do have some perspective on why it's so valuable to do basic research, pushing the frontiers of what we understand.

I did not claim to be an expert. You challenged my basis to have an opinion. I am not a neophyte in the field. I've been trained, had to study the issue, prepare for it & be accountable. I regarded this threat a greater potential threat than the N & C threat components of my job description. That's probably why i am so risk averse on the issue. Whether intended or not -- COVID 19 is a potent bio weapon which we need to determine, with greater certainty, how it developed & was released, rather than dismiss the question for political reasons. I hope you are less condescending to the Holiday Inn Express staff.

"...condescending to the Holiday Inn Express staff"...

Come on Salty, I have no issue with you having an opinion. Stop being so prickly.

But you are not an expert on what type of research is too dangerous and what is not, nor an expert in the benefits of doing such research...nor am I.

And I also acknowledge that your "risk adverse" perspective has solid basis and merit.

It just doesn't make you right.

I've explained why I have a different perspective. Doesn't make me right either. But it too has solid basis and merit. Just different from yours.

Which is why I go to thinking about the process of what to do going forward, I think more realistically than you.

BTW, I also mentioned FT. Dietrich, to which you did not respond.
I'd mentioned that location in an exchange last year when I "challenged" the notion that if another country, especially one we consider a geopolitical rival, accused us of releasing a bio-weapon into the public and demanded that we open up our actual bio-weapon research to their scrutiny we'd actually do so. Indeed, they'd get the opposite reaction.

And here we have a lab that is at least ostensibly intended for protection from pandemics, not bio-weapon development....and what do we do? We pull our scientists, losing oversight.

We agree on the risk, we simply don't agree on what to do about it.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021 ... now-what-/

Must be slow news....this stuff was covered last year actually.

One of the articles I read last Spring.

https://www.freethink.com/articles/gain ... n-mutation

[MDlaxfan76]

What evidence do you have that it was developed and released?....you imply that being developed and released is certain....Not what Xi told your guy.

Too much of a coincidence that it broke out in Wuhan. Too far from the bat caves.

Who made the determination with certainty that “covid was developed and released”?

The bats did it in their cave lab.

That’s what I figured. Hopefully your acolytes will “stroke” your ego.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-01205-5

My dog is losing her hearing....you have any advice?

Worth the read.

[Typical Lax Dad]

What evidence do you have that it was developed and released?....you imply that being developed and released is certain....Not what Xi told your guy.

Too much of a coincidence that it broke out in Wuhan. Too far from the bat caves.

Who made the determination with certainty that “covid was developed and released”?

The bats did it in their cave lab.

That’s what I figured. Hopefully your acolytes will “stroke” your ego.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-01205-5

My dog is losing her hearing....you have any advice?

Worth the read.

Ran Paul sticking it to Fauci is better.