All Things Environment

[Peter Brown]

The price of fracking.

Have you stopped eating meat yet ?

‘Climate change’ is a hoax intended to reverse capitalism’s progress.

Democrats object to anything that compels them to actually work and earn a living.

By the way, I bought two sheriff deputies lunch yesterday. Great guys. Support your local PD.

[RedFromMI]

(omitted quotes)

‘Climate change’ is a hoax intended to reverse capitalism’s progress.

It is actually both a demonstrated fact and an accepted theory of how/why it occurs. Too many stupid sources of data are coloring Petey's conclusions...

Democrats approve of anything that compels them to actually work and earn a living.

It's not clear why this has anything to do with fracking, and does not make any actual sense...

By the way, I bought two sheriff deputies lunch yesterday. Great guys. Support your local PD.

Completely irrelevant to a climate change discussion.

UF wants their degree back...
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[Peter Brown]

(omitted quotes)

‘Climate change’ is a hoax intended to reverse capitalism’s progress.

It is actually both a demonstrated fact and an accepted theory of how/why it occurs. Too many stupid sources of data are coloring Petey's conclusions...

Democrats approve of anything that compels them to actually work and earn a living.

It's not clear why this has anything to do with fracking, and does not make any actual sense...

By the way, I bought two sheriff deputies lunch yesterday. Great guys. Support your local PD.

Completely irrelevant to a climate change discussion.

UF wants their degree back...

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Edit error.


“Democrats object to anything that compels them to actually work and earn a living.”

Fixed.

[RedFromMI]

(omitted quotes)

‘Climate change’ is a hoax intended to reverse capitalism’s progress.

It is actually both a demonstrated fact and an accepted theory of how/why it occurs. Too many stupid sources of data are coloring Petey's conclusions...

Democrats approve of anything that compels them to actually work and earn a living.

It's not clear why this has anything to do with fracking, and does not make any actual sense...

By the way, I bought two sheriff deputies lunch yesterday. Great guys. Support your local PD.

Completely irrelevant to a climate change discussion.

UF wants their degree back...

Edit error.


“Democrats object to anything that compels them to actually work and earn a living.”

Fixed.
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Still not relevant to the discussion about climate change. And actually not true as well.

[cradleandshoot]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/22/ ... nd-energy/

The problem revolves around how to store wind energy. Just a tiny little sticky detail that the fruit loops have not quite figured out yet. I remember reading about this same issue years ago. It is the same problem it always was.
https://www.timescall.com/2020/08/31/ca ... e-problem/

https://dailycaller.com/2015/12/25/top- ... ind-power/

Of course the solution is obvious. The Biden brigades will "invest" trillions of dollars down the rathole. When any democrat or environmental fruit loop tells you the country needs to "invest" in their hairbrained ideas, I for one am willing to wait for any of them to break out their checkbook and put their money where their mouths are. It is so much simpler to play your games with other peoples money. Has anybody consulted with Greta as to what the world should do?

[RedFromMI]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/22/ ... nd-energy/

The problem revolves around how to store wind energy. Just a tiny little sticky detail that the fruit loops have not quite figured out yet. I remember reading about this same issue years ago. It is the same problem it always was.
https://www.timescall.com/2020/08/31/ca ... e-problem/

https://dailycaller.com/2015/12/25/top- ... ind-power/

Of course the solution is obvious. The Biden brigades will "invest" trillions of dollars down the rathole. When any democrat or environmental fruit loop tells you the country needs to "invest" in their hairbrained ideas, I for one am willing to wait for any of them to break out their checkbook and put their money where their mouths are. It is so much simpler to play your games with other peoples money. Has anybody consulted with Greta as to what the world should do?

Actually given the bias of these sources, it is mostly concern trolling (gin up false concerns of the magnitude of the problems). It basically represents a we cannot do it attitude. And wind power will never be a giant fraction of the power derived from the Sun anyway.

[jhu72]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/22/ ... nd-energy/

The problem revolves around how to store wind energy. Just a tiny little sticky detail that the fruit loops have not quite figured out yet. I remember reading about this same issue years ago. It is the same problem it always was.
https://www.timescall.com/2020/08/31/ca ... e-problem/

https://dailycaller.com/2015/12/25/top- ... ind-power/

Of course the solution is obvious. The Biden brigades will "invest" trillions of dollars down the rathole. When any democrat or environmental fruit loop tells you the country needs to "invest" in their hairbrained ideas, I for one am willing to wait for any of them to break out their checkbook and put their money where their mouths are. It is so much simpler to play your games with other peoples money. Has anybody consulted with Greta as to what the world should do?

Actually given the bias of these sources, it is mostly concern trolling (gin up false concerns of the magnitude of the problems). It basically represents a we cannot do it attitude. And wind power will never be a giant fraction of the power derived from the Sun anyway.

... wind will ultimately lose to photovoltaic.

[jhu72]

First US offshore wind farm approved.

[cradleandshoot]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/22/ ... nd-energy/

The problem revolves around how to store wind energy. Just a tiny little sticky detail that the fruit loops have not quite figured out yet. I remember reading about this same issue years ago. It is the same problem it always was.
https://www.timescall.com/2020/08/31/ca ... e-problem/

https://dailycaller.com/2015/12/25/top- ... ind-power/

Of course the solution is obvious. The Biden brigades will "invest" trillions of dollars down the rathole. When any democrat or environmental fruit loop tells you the country needs to "invest" in their hairbrained ideas, I for one am willing to wait for any of them to break out their checkbook and put their money where their mouths are. It is so much simpler to play your games with other peoples money. Has anybody consulted with Greta as to what the world should do?

Actually given the bias of these sources, it is mostly concern trolling (gin up false concerns of the magnitude of the problems). It basically represents a we cannot do it attitude. And wind power will never be a giant fraction of the power derived from the Sun anyway.

Them liberal elitist snobs don't want them whirrly gigs setting off Cape Cod. It spoils the view from the yachts... daaaahling. Everybody loves wind turbines when they are in somebody elses back yard. You are consistent Red, when someone makes a point you disagree with the source has to be biased or they are just trolling. What say you about the storage issue? that is the meat and potatoes of what the bias is all about. You did not mention that for some reason?

Full disclosure not being and engineer or a scientist... the issue of how to store wind energy is something i have read about for a decade at least. Poo pooing the concerns about the issue as bias on your part tells me you understand storage will always be a problem.

[RedFromMI]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/22/ ... nd-energy/

The problem revolves around how to store wind energy. Just a tiny little sticky detail that the fruit loops have not quite figured out yet. I remember reading about this same issue years ago. It is the same problem it always was.
https://www.timescall.com/2020/08/31/ca ... e-problem/

https://dailycaller.com/2015/12/25/top- ... ind-power/

Of course the solution is obvious. The Biden brigades will "invest" trillions of dollars down the rathole. When any democrat or environmental fruit loop tells you the country needs to "invest" in their hairbrained ideas, I for one am willing to wait for any of them to break out their checkbook and put their money where their mouths are. It is so much simpler to play your games with other peoples money. Has anybody consulted with Greta as to what the world should do?

Actually given the bias of these sources, it is mostly concern trolling (gin up false concerns of the magnitude of the problems). It basically represents a we cannot do it attitude. And wind power will never be a giant fraction of the power derived from the Sun anyway.

Them liberal elitist snobs don't want them whirrly gigs setting off Cape Cod. It spoils the view from the yachts... daaaahling. Everybody loves wind turbines when they are in somebody elses back yard. You are consistent Red, when someone makes a point you disagree with the source has to be biased or they are just trolling. What say you about the storage issue? that is the meat and potatoes of what the bias is all about. You did not mention that for some reason?

Full disclosure not being and engineer or a scientist... the issue of how to store wind energy is something i have read about for a decade at least. Poo pooing the concerns about the issue as bias on your part tells me you understand storage will always be a problem.

I actually am a physicist - and the sources of information to a scientist are foremost in deciding whether someone has an axe to grind or not. Read dumb sources of information - you get dumb answers.

As far as the storage issue - in the same way the cars/trucks get to extend their range, the storage of energy from solar or wind will get stored. Battery technology keeps improving and improving, and will continue to do so. Technologies to convert electricity to H_2 might come into play. (To be burned later without creating CO_2 as fuel, for example, or even in fuel cells to power things directly.

Saying these things are insurmountable barriers without considering engineering advances that might take place in the future is defeatism. The answer is to identify the possible roadblocks - and work at fixing them. Not saying it just won't be done.

It may not come cheaply, but it will create jobs dealing with just these issues, and put us all on a firmer footing for a better future.

[cradleandshoot]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/22/ ... nd-energy/

The problem revolves around how to store wind energy. Just a tiny little sticky detail that the fruit loops have not quite figured out yet. I remember reading about this same issue years ago. It is the same problem it always was.
https://www.timescall.com/2020/08/31/ca ... e-problem/

https://dailycaller.com/2015/12/25/top- ... ind-power/

Of course the solution is obvious. The Biden brigades will "invest" trillions of dollars down the rathole. When any democrat or environmental fruit loop tells you the country needs to "invest" in their hairbrained ideas, I for one am willing to wait for any of them to break out their checkbook and put their money where their mouths are. It is so much simpler to play your games with other peoples money. Has anybody consulted with Greta as to what the world should do?

Actually given the bias of these sources, it is mostly concern trolling (gin up false concerns of the magnitude of the problems). It basically represents a we cannot do it attitude. And wind power will never be a giant fraction of the power derived from the Sun anyway.

Them liberal elitist snobs don't want them whirrly gigs setting off Cape Cod. It spoils the view from the yachts... daaaahling. Everybody loves wind turbines when they are in somebody elses back yard. You are consistent Red, when someone makes a point you disagree with the source has to be biased or they are just trolling. What say you about the storage issue? that is the meat and potatoes of what the bias is all about. You did not mention that for some reason?

Full disclosure not being and engineer or a scientist... the issue of how to store wind energy is something i have read about for a decade at least. Poo pooing the concerns about the issue as bias on your part tells me you understand storage will always be a problem.

I actually am a physicist - and the sources of information to a scientist are foremost in deciding whether someone has an axe to grind or not. Read dumb sources of information - you get dumb answers.

As far as the storage issue - in the same way the cars/trucks get to extend their range, the storage of energy from solar or wind will get stored. Battery technology keeps improving and improving, and will continue to do so. Technologies to convert electricity to H_2 might come into play. (To be burned later without creating CO_2 as fuel, for example, or even in fuel cells to power things directly.

Saying these things are insurmountable barriers without considering engineering advances that might take place in the future is defeatism. The answer is to identify the possible roadblocks - and work at fixing them. Not saying it just won't be done.

It may not come cheaply, but it will create jobs dealing with just these issues, and put us all on a firmer footing for a better future.

I knew you are a physicist. I know you are correct when you say the solutions will not come cheap. I also know that especially in very liberal coastal areas of New England they are not big fans of looking at wind turbines sitting 250 feet above the waterline. It is a good location because there is almost never a lack of wind. No body likes to look at them. I think they are ugly monstrosities. Why are we not taking a serious look at re-investing in nuclear power. We also have the technology to build plants safely and solve the emissions issue at the same time.

[RedFromMI]

The nuclear power issue is actually being looked at - with a mind for fission of making very small plants essentially the size of a small house (or smaller). There are one or maybe two companies working on getting certification for such plants if I remember correctly. Also working on making the plants closer to fail-safe in the sense that they don't need active measures to cool if things shut down...

Fusion is way slower than would be desirable, but keeps inching up as well. More issues with short term storage of highly radioactive waste, but not the kind of long half lives of some of the fission products.

[jhu72]

Nuclear has a huge problem, that has nothing to do with technology. Too many accidents to this point in time, have poisoned the well in the mind of the American public. Yes they can be made safer than in the past, but you have a massive PR problem to overcome. Given the expense of nuclear, it is far from clear that it is worth even trying to fight that battle. It will be long and costly one.

[RedFromMI]

Nuclear has a huge problem, that has nothing to do with technology. Too many accidents to this point in time, have poisoned the well in the mind of the American public. Yes they can be made safer than in the past, but you have a massive PR problem to overcome. Given the expense of nuclear, it is far from clear that it is worth even trying to fight that battle. It will be long and costly one.

If you are talking about something simple enough to handle its own shutdown, you have a completely different product than the monstrosities we currently run. Costs are in the development/construction side, not so much on the operation side (both of which are extremely expensive for the current scale).

PR can be overcome if there are clear benefits - but it takes commitment to do so by the politicians...

[jhu72]

Nuclear has a huge problem, that has nothing to do with technology. Too many accidents to this point in time, have poisoned the well in the mind of the American public. Yes they can be made safer than in the past, but you have a massive PR problem to overcome. Given the expense of nuclear, it is far from clear that it is worth even trying to fight that battle. It will be long and costly one.

If you are talking about something simple enough to handle its own shutdown, you have a completely different product than the monstrosities we currently run. Costs are in the development/construction side, not so much on the operation side (both of which are extremely expensive for the current scale).

PR can be overcome if there are clear benefits - but it takes commitment to do so by the politicians...

I think it is a bigger issue than you might imagine. It of course will also be wrapped up in climate denier-ism as well. Now these reactors have other uses, besides powering homes in a massive network, space exploration, deployment at sea, etc. Not an issue of whether to develop the technology, it is solely an issue of convincing the American public that they should allow deployment of lots of these things as part of a standalone power or network of power plants. I think it is a really hard sell. But anyone who wants to try has my blessing.

[Typical Lax Dad]

It’s a hoax: https://www.reuters.com/business/sustai ... 021-05-12/

[jhu72]

It’s a hoax: https://www.reuters.com/business/sustai ... 021-05-12/

... yup.

[DocBarrister]

The fossil fuel fossils on this forum should take note: Jaguar, Lamborghini, and Ferrari are all going electric over the next decade.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... s-electric

Heck, even the favorite vehicle of Trump cultists, the Ford F-150, has gone electric.

And Joe Biden summarized one major reason why electric cars will completely dominate the auto market within a decade:

“This sucker’s quick.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/politics ... index.html

Electric vehicles make their fossil fuel counterparts look like snails.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

The fossil fuel fossils on this forum should take note: Jaguar, Lamborghini, and Ferrari are all going electric over the next decade.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... s-electric

Heck, even the favorite vehicle of Trump cultists, the Ford F-150, has gone electric.

And Joe Biden summarized one major reason why electric cars will completely dominate the auto market within a decade:

“This sucker’s quick.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/politics ... index.html

Electric vehicles make their fossil fuel counterparts look like snails.

DocBarrister

Great thing about the electric F-150, which will likely become (someday) the best-selling automobile in America: the Chief Engineer is an Asian American woman (Linda Zhang)!

(Yes, y’all ... we are replacing you, along with your fossil fuel truck.)

DocBarrister

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ch ... d=msedgntp

Save the planet my ass. If the planet needs saving it needs to be saved from the Chicoms. The fruitloops are only concerned about electric cars and becoming vegan.