2021 NCAA Tournament

[Farfromgeneva]

Sure, get by Romo and now you go all “cancel if close” on me in this trade!

I’m still working on younger Madonna to transfer form Richmond.

(a saying bond and equity traders will use for chizzler asset managers Who like an investment at a price but when it gets there they move their price)

[JBFortunato]

FYI tickets to all three days of Championship weekend at the Rent are on sale to the public now. Tried to link to the site but wasn’t allowed to do so for some reason.

[DU-fan]

I think the top 3 Big East teams deserve it over Rutgers. If Hopkins wins, that steals a spot. But if Maryland wins out, who has Rutgers beaten? At least G'town has the win over Denver. Nova has the win over Lehigh (for whatever that is worth at the moment) and Denver seems solid for at large as is if they don't win conference.

I agree, but doubt it will happen. I feel bad for Rutgers. Feels like they are always on the wrong side of the bubble.

[calourie]

Right now it looks like 5 ACCs in as ALs, and one Big East (loser between Gtown and Denver). Hopkins beats Maryland steals a bid as Maryland is in no matter what. Maryland over Hopkins leaves two slots. I think Lehigh is in no matter what, so losing to Loyola in the PL finals would leave only one more AL slot. A win by Lehigh in the finals and Loyola goes on the bubble with Rutgers and Villanova for that final slot or two. I haven't a clue how the final AL bid/bids will go.

[Wheels]

Congrats to the 'Cats! UVM's first ever trip to the NCAAs? Did I read that correctly? Awesome story for that program!

[pcowlax]

Right now it looks like 5 ACCs in as ALs, and one Big East (loser between Gtown and Denver). Hopkins beats Maryland steals a bid as Maryland is in no matter what. Maryland over Hopkins leaves two slots. I think Lehigh is in no matter what, so losing to Loyola in the PL finals would leave only one more AL slot. A win by Lehigh in the finals and Loyola goes on the bubble with Rutgers and Villanova for that final slot or two. I haven't a clue how the final AL bid/bids will go.

This sounds pretty spot on to me. If Maryland and Lehigh win, looks like 2 spots for Loyola, Nova and Rutgers. Tough calls. If Loyola wins, I guess Lehigh is in but lack of OOC makes these some very dicey calls.

[lorin]

Right now it looks like 5 ACCs in as ALs, and one Big East (loser between Gtown and Denver). Hopkins beats Maryland steals a bid as Maryland is in no matter what. Maryland over Hopkins leaves two slots. I think Lehigh is in no matter what, so losing to Loyola in the PL finals would leave only one more AL slot. A win by Lehigh in the finals and Loyola goes on the bubble with Rutgers and Villanova for that final slot or two. I haven't a clue how the final AL bid/bids will go.

This sounds pretty spot on to me. If Maryland and Lehigh win, looks like 2 spots for Loyola, Nova and Rutgers. Tough calls. If Loyola wins, I guess Lehigh is in but lack of OOC makes these some very dicey calls.

Army RPI is 8 they are in the conversation

[keno in reno]

Right now it looks like 5 ACCs in as ALs, and one Big East (loser between Gtown and Denver). Hopkins beats Maryland steals a bid as Maryland is in no matter what. Maryland over Hopkins leaves two slots. I think Lehigh is in no matter what, so losing to Loyola in the PL finals would leave only one more AL slot. A win by Lehigh in the finals and Loyola goes on the bubble with Rutgers and Villanova for that final slot or two. I haven't a clue how the final AL bid/bids will go.

This sounds pretty spot on to me. If Maryland and Lehigh win, looks like 2 spots for Loyola, Nova and Rutgers. Tough calls. If Loyola wins, I guess Lehigh is in but lack of OOC makes these some very dicey calls.

Army RPI is 8 they are in the conversation

This same RPI has Brown #3, Maryland #8 and Syracuse ahead of Maryland. This RPI is worthless.

[calourie]

My guess as to the bottom of the draw:

16 Monmouth
15 Bryant
14+13 Vermont and High Point (interchangable in my eyes, though I've seen more AE than SoCon)
12 Drexel though I think they may be better than whichever among Rutgers, Loyola or Army sneaks in as the final AL. If Hopkins beats Maryland I can see them as an 11, and only one bid would remain for the three teams already bidding for the final spot. If Hopkins loses then there are 2 bids open for those three teams, and I really have no idea how either scenario is going to work out.

I believe all of the coaches from the 12-16 teams mentioned have some tournament experience except Feifs at Vermont, which should aid a bit in allowing their squads to be at least somewhat copetitive round one.

[Farfromgeneva]

12&16 look right, there’s little difference between the other three so it’s more likely they are sent to play where the travel fits the best for NCAA $ considerations.

[Laxwatch2007]

Does the NCAA still try to keep travel costs down when scheduling 1st round match-ups? In 2014 they had Penn playing Drexel in the first round which made perfect sense when you consider the fact that most of the Dragon players lived within walking distance of Franklin Field and fans and students from both schools could easily attend.

[Farfromgeneva]

Does the NCAA still try to keep travel costs down when scheduling 1st round match-ups? In 2014 they had Penn playing Drexel in the first round which made perfect sense when you consider the fact that most of the Dragon players lived within walking distance of Franklin Field and fans and students from both schools could easily attend.

My understanding is they’ll only pay for two first round flights and hence only 8 seeds the rest is based on $ considerations (maybe not the 9-10 guys, at least 9 who’s fringe seed, but 10-16 it’s how close are you?)z

[xxxxxxx]

My guess as to the bottom of the draw:

16 Monmouth
15 Bryant
14+13 Vermont and High Point (interchangable in my eyes, though I've seen more AE than SoCon)
12 Drexel though I think they may be better than whichever among Rutgers, Loyola or Army sneaks in as the final AL. If Hopkins beats Maryland I can see them as an 11, and only one bid would remain for the three teams already bidding for the final spot. If Hopkins loses then there are 2 bids open for those three teams, and I really have no idea how either scenario is going to work out.

I believe all of the coaches from the 12-16 teams mentioned have some tournament experience except Feifs at Vermont, which should aid a bit in allowing their squads to be at least somewhat copetitive round one.

I’m not sure Monmouth is the 16 with and 8-2 record and two solid wins in the MAAC tournament.

[Farfromgeneva]

It’s going to be travel driven so this is just for fun anyway but:

Monmouth
2021 Schedule
03/06 vs Manhattan W 8-5
03/13 @ Siena W 6-7
03/20 vs St. Bonaventure W 13-12
03/26 @ Manhattan L 9-8
04/03 vs Quinnipiac W 10-8
04/09 vs Detroit Mercy W 9-7
04/23 @ Canisius L 8-7
04/30 vs Siena W 12-11
05/05 vs St. Bonaventure W 12-5
05/08 @ Manhattan W 9-14

Bryant (Note former Conference POY Marc ORourke missed a good chunk of the season but is back in form now
2021 Schedule
02/13 vs Providence W 9-8
02/20 @ Stony Brook L 14-8
02/27 vs Vermont W 15-12
03/06 vs Merrimack W 20-8
03/13 vs Mount St Mary's PPD
03/21 @ Wagner W 5-18
03/27 @ Merrimack W 10-11
04/03 vs Hobart L 10-11
04/10 @ LIU PPD
04/17 vs Saint Joseph's L 5-13
04/24 @ Sacred Heart W 12-20
04/27 @ LIU W 17-20
04/30 vs Mount St Mary's PPD
05/05 @ Hobart W 12-14
05/08 @ Saint Joseph's W 10-16

Vermont
2021 Schedule
02/27 @ Bryant L 15-12
03/03 vs UMass Lowell W 21-7
03/06 @ Syracuse L 17-13
03/13 @ UAlbany W 12-14
03/20 @ NJIT W 2-17
03/27 vs Hartford W 14-9
04/03 @ UMBC L 10-8
04/10 @ UMass Lowell W 5-16
04/16 vs UAlbany PPD
04/24 @ Binghamton L 10-7
04/28 vs UAlbany W 16-14
05/01 vs Stony Brook W 14-13
05/06 @ Stony Brook W 7-10
05/08 vs UAlbany W 15-10

High Point

2021 Schedule
02/13 vs Robert Morris W 21-15
02/16 @ North Carolina L 17-15
02/18 vs Bellarmine PPD
02/27 @ North Carolina L 27-12
03/03 @ Virginia L 12-11
03/10 @ Duke L 27-8
03/19 @ VMI W 12-20
03/26 @ Richmond L 17-10
04/03 vs Bellarmine W 13-5
04/17 vs Mercer W 16-10
04/24 @ Air Force W 8-13
05/01 vs Jacksonville W 16-11
05/05 vs Jacksonville W 11-9
05/07 @ Richmond W 8-11

Monmouths best wins fall short of the others and all have solid records. It’s stale but Bryant has a win over UVM. Monmouth also has the shortest winning streak of the four. No organic playoff opponent wins among all OOC. Most notable OOC wins are probably: Prov, UVM by Bryant, RoMo. Best in conference wins I don’t know who you’d point to in the MAAC but otherwise would be: Albany, SBU, UMBC (all of white have hung around the top 20 hoop all year), St Joes, Hobart & Richmond.

If you were truly ranking these four what’s the case for Monmouth to not be 16?

[calourie]

So the question now becomes who has Maryland beaten? Two victories over the Rutgers, the only +.500 team on their schedule. Probably not enough to get them a #1 seed, perhaps not even a #2 despite their undefeated record. No great difference between 2 and 3 in that whoever they are would be slated to meet each other in the semis if everything were to go according to form. In any event we will find out for sure tomorrow night.

[keno in reno]

Terps just did the rest of the D1 elite lacrosse world a huge fave, as Hopkins could have beaten anyone in the top 8.

[NYterp09]

So the question now becomes who has Maryland beaten? Two victories over the Rutgers, the only +.500 team on their schedule. Probably not enough to get them a #1 seed, perhaps not even a #2 despite their undefeated record. No great difference between 2 and 3 in that whoever they are would be slated to meet each other in the semis if everything were to go according to form. In any event we will find out for sure tomorrow night.

Tell me why an ACC team with two losses and a garbage OOC schedule deserves to get in over UMD...

[Farfromgeneva]

It’s just seeding. MD is going to get a 2 or 3 so they can split Duke and UNC I would be pretty sure of so who cares between 2 & 3? Notre Dame is probably going to be 4 so you’re looking at the top 4 seeds being three ACC teams and MD. Kind of doesn’t matter. That 5 seed could be valuable vs the 6 seed in Rd 1 opponent, less because of the challenge of winning that game for a 5 or 6 but rather the impact of a relatively tougher vs slightly easier matchup in further rounds form being banged up or a little more spent in a short one and done tourney.

[Henpecked]

Terps just did the rest of the D1 elite lacrosse world a huge fave, as Hopkins could have beaten anyone in the top 8.

That’s just funny.

[Farfromgeneva]

Well if Rutgers isn’t a 2 seed we’ve been informed the ACC/Cuse cartel fix is in so this makes sense too