Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[Peter Brown]

Prosecuting nonviolent misdemeanors is likely not a good idea.

Kamala Harris imprisoned thousands of POC for misdemeanor drug charges, putting their lives in the never ending merry go round of probation violations and recidivism. Families forever ruined. She even asked judges to keep prisoners in prison after their sentence had been served, because ‘their labor is cheap’.

Trump oth released and expunged the records of thousands of POC for same.

[jhu72]

Prosecuting nonviolent misdemeanors is likely not a good idea.

Kamala Harris imprisoned thousands of POC for misdemeanor drug charges, putting their lives in the never ending merry go round of probation violations and recidivism. Families forever ruined. She even asked judges to keep prisoners in prison after their sentence had been served, because ‘their labor is cheap’.

Trump oth released and expunged the records of thousands of POC for same.

Can you provide some some sources to back all those charges up Goebbels? From reputable, non-right wing sources of course.

[Peter Brown]

Prosecuting nonviolent misdemeanors is likely not a good idea.

Kamala Harris imprisoned thousands of POC for misdemeanor drug charges, putting their lives in the never ending merry go round of probation violations and recidivism. Families forever ruined. She even asked judges to keep prisoners in prison after their sentence had been served, because ‘their labor is cheap’.

Trump oth released and expunged the records of thousands of POC for same.

Can you provide some some sources to back all those charges up Goebbels? From reputable, non-right wing sources of course.

Even your dopey sources concur

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kamala-ha ... heap-labor

Do you require more? I can post hundreds.

[jhu72]

Prosecuting nonviolent misdemeanors is likely not a good idea.

Kamala Harris imprisoned thousands of POC for misdemeanor drug charges, putting their lives in the never ending merry go round of probation violations and recidivism. Families forever ruined. She even asked judges to keep prisoners in prison after their sentence had been served, because ‘their labor is cheap’.

Trump oth released and expunged the records of thousands of POC for same.

Can you provide some some sources to back all those charges up Goebbels? From reputable, non-right wing sources of course.

Even your dopey sources concur

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kamala-ha ... heap-labor

Do you require more? I can post hundreds.

... this article did not corroborate any of your charges. It only claims she wanted to keep some prisoners past their federally directed parole dates, not the end of their state imposed sentences. She claims she was not driving the program to maintain them for cheap labor. The author offered no proof. It is only a he said, she said.

Daily Beast is not normally a source of mine. Maybe there are less dopey sources.

[D3 Fan]

JHU, so nothing in Harris or Biden's track record for dealing with crime/minorities is of concern to you? Sure, news articles don't tell the full story but they both claim to have been really tough on crime and now that it appears we were too tough on crime, yet they get a free pass and are seen as the warriors who will right prior wrongs even though it seems they participated in some of those prior wrongs. What am I missing? I don't have a dog in the fight but Biden has repeatedly made comments about minorities that are indefensible in today's world, so why give him full benefit of the doubt when it seems plausible that some blame can lay at this feet. I didn't vote for trump and just want to see more of your (informed) perspective so please take this in the spirit in which it is intended...one of learning different points of view and continually trying to better myself.

[cradleandshoot]

Prosecuting nonviolent misdemeanors is likely not a good idea.

Kamala Harris imprisoned thousands of POC for misdemeanor drug charges, putting their lives in the never ending merry go round of probation violations and recidivism. Families forever ruined. She even asked judges to keep prisoners in prison after their sentence had been served, because ‘their labor is cheap’.

Trump oth released and expunged the records of thousands of POC for same.

Can you provide some some sources to back all those charges up Goebbels? From reputable, non-right wing sources of course.

Even your dopey sources concur

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kamala-ha ... heap-labor

Do you require more? I can post hundreds.

... this article did not corroborate any of your charges. It only claims she wanted to keep some prisoners past their federally directed parole dates, not the end of their state imposed sentences. She claims she was not driving the program to maintain them for cheap labor. The author offered no proof. It is only a he said, she said.

Daily Beast is not normally a source of mine. Maybe there are less dopey sources.

There is your old reliable standby... TASS

[Peter Brown]

JHU, so nothing in Harris or Biden's track record for dealing with crime/minorities is of concern to you? Sure, news articles don't tell the full story but they both claim to have been really tough on crime and now that it appears we were too tough on crime, yet they get a free pass and are seen as the warriors who will right prior wrongs even though it seems they participated in some of those prior wrongs. What am I missing? I don't have a dog in the fight but Biden has repeatedly made comments about minorities that are indefensible in today's world, so why give him full benefit of the doubt when it seems plausible that some blame can lay at this feet. I didn't vote for trump and just want to see more of your (informed) perspective so please take this in the spirit in which it is intended...one of learning different points of view and continually trying to better myself.

Of course this post is entirely sensible and logical, but lib philosophy is very hypocritical and will never accept any fault. Kamala and Biden are as much to blame for over incarceration as any politician around today. Everyone including jhu72 understands this, but for reasons having to do with being liberal, he will not publicly admit it.

[Peter Brown]

Prosecuting nonviolent misdemeanors is likely not a good idea.

Kamala Harris imprisoned thousands of POC for misdemeanor drug charges, putting their lives in the never ending merry go round of probation violations and recidivism. Families forever ruined. She even asked judges to keep prisoners in prison after their sentence had been served, because ‘their labor is cheap’.

Trump oth released and expunged the records of thousands of POC for same.

Can you provide some some sources to back all those charges up Goebbels? From reputable, non-right wing sources of course.

Even your dopey sources concur

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kamala-ha ... heap-labor

Do you require more? I can post hundreds.

... this article did not corroborate any of your charges. It only claims she wanted to keep some prisoners past their federally directed parole dates, not the end of their state imposed sentences. She claims she was not driving the program to maintain them for cheap labor. The author offered no proof. It is only a he said, she said.

Daily Beast is not normally a source of mine. Maybe there are less dopey sources.

Can you imagine writing what jhu72 wrote and still standing your ground?!?! ‘Sure, okay, Kamala wanted to keep prisoners in prison past their expiration dates, but can you blame her!?’

Oh also,

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/ ... rnia-crime

https://prospect.org/justice/how-kamala ... locked-up/

https://websterjournal.com/2020/09/10/k ... nightmare/

Oh also, good to have media on your side scrubbing past articles.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/22/washingto ... ner-story/

[Brooklyn]

Can’t wait til Cradle returns tomorrow!!!

Nice to have some humor and sanity back at Fanlax.

+1

Brooklyn can't seem to use the ignore function or learn how to not let you occupy such space in his head. It's sad, because literally everything he posts lately is intended to be divisive and he doesn't realize it!

Joemauer89!

Yeah like reporting the truth about crime increases during the repukeblican regimes somehow constitutes divisiveness. At any other time such as in Petey's posts somehow it is OK.

[Peter Brown]

Can’t wait til Cradle returns tomorrow!!!

Nice to have some humor and sanity back at Fanlax.

+1

Brooklyn can't seem to use the ignore function or learn how to not let you occupy such space in his head. It's sad, because literally everything he posts lately is intended to be divisive and he doesn't realize it!

Joemauer89!

Yeah like reporting the truth about crime increases during the repukeblican regimes somehow constitutes divisiveness. At any other time such as in Petey's posts somehow it is OK.

Brook: you okay with Kamala’s prosecutorial record and Joe’s crime Bill?

[Brooklyn]

Can’t wait til Cradle returns tomorrow!!!

Nice to have some humor and sanity back at Fanlax.

+1

Brooklyn can't seem to use the ignore function or learn how to not let you occupy such space in his head. It's sad, because literally everything he posts lately is intended to be divisive and he doesn't realize it!

Joemauer89!

Yeah like reporting the truth about crime increases during the repukeblican regimes somehow constitutes divisiveness. At any other time such as in Petey's posts somehow it is OK.

Brook: you okay with Kamala’s prosecutorial record and Joe’s crime Bill?

I'm sure both would appreciate your suggestion that they follow tRUMP's fine example of ending Obamacare so that access to needed medical care is denied while covid kills off tens of thousands in their communities. This after referring to Mexicans as rapists and other dark skinned peoples as "sh______hole" nations.

[Peter Brown]

Can’t wait til Cradle returns tomorrow!!!

Nice to have some humor and sanity back at Fanlax.

+1

Brooklyn can't seem to use the ignore function or learn how to not let you occupy such space in his head. It's sad, because literally everything he posts lately is intended to be divisive and he doesn't realize it!

Joemauer89!

Yeah like reporting the truth about crime increases during the repukeblican regimes somehow constitutes divisiveness. At any other time such as in Petey's posts somehow it is OK.

Brook: you okay with Kamala’s prosecutorial record and Joe’s crime Bill?

I'm sure both would appreciate your suggestion that they follow tRUMP's fine example of ending Obamacare so that access to needed medical care is denied while covid kills off tens of thousands in their communities. This after referring to Mexicans as rapists and other dark skinned peoples as "sh______hole" nations.

Some deflection.

I’ll take your non-answer as, ‘no, I Brooklyn of Fanlax, do not support, and fully realize and am embarrassed to previously not publicly admit I do not support, such remarkably hypocritical filth that never valued the life of any POC as demonstrated by their outrageously inhumane law and incarceration policies and actions’.

Thanks for your honesty.

[Brooklyn]

Hey Petey, your pal trump kills tens of thousands of those same people with your approval. I'm sure he greatly appreciates your support and unending love.

Kamala Harris prosecutes people? While she did her job in attempting to prosecute those brought in on selective charges made by the cops, your heroes in the NYC police department prosecuted the innocent Central Park Five by making up the story that they raped someone when they didn't. Your hero trump called for their execution while you happily applauded. All this while they were innocent. So who is worse?

[Peter Brown]

Hey Petey, your pal trump kills tens of thousands of those same people with your approval. I'm sure he greatly appreciates your support and unending love.

Kamala Harris prosecutes people? While she did her job in attempting to prosecute those brought in on selective charges made by the cops, your heroes in the NYC police department prosecuted the innocent Central Park Five by making up the story that they raped someone when they didn't. Your hero trump called for their execution while you happily applauded. All this while they were innocent. So who is worse?

You must have missed the part where I’m against the death penalty for a few reasons but one is, never trust the government for most decisions but especially one which concerns life.

Did you know that a man was executed in 2017 yet DNA cleared him after the government killed him? (Actually I know you don’t know this, because pro government mainstream media never reports news which cause the people to question their government, so please keep watching CNN/MSNBC, the fakest news channels)

https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/new-d ... -execution

Trump is pro death penalty. I’m about as opposite that as can be imagined.

Unless I see video which is super definitive, my instinct is to wait for the trial to judge the accused. Rittenhouse is a hero for example, and video proves it. The girl in Columbus should’ve been shot by the cop.

If it’s a non-violent crime, no one should be held in jail as a pre trial detainee. If it’s a violent crime, different.

Want more? Just ask. Trump ain’t my North Star.

[jhu72]

JHU, so nothing in Harris or Biden's track record for dealing with crime/minorities is of concern to you? Sure, news articles don't tell the full story but they both claim to have been really tough on crime and now that it appears we were too tough on crime, yet they get a free pass and are seen as the warriors who will right prior wrongs even though it seems they participated in some of those prior wrongs. What am I missing? I don't have a dog in the fight but Biden has repeatedly made comments about minorities that are indefensible in today's world, so why give him full benefit of the doubt when it seems plausible that some blame can lay at this feet. I didn't vote for trump and just want to see more of your (informed) perspective so please take this in the spirit in which it is intended...one of learning different points of view and continually trying to better myself.

Sure they have problems in their backgrounds (probably Biden more so than Harris). That however is not the charge leveled by Petey at Harris. He is repeating Faux News talking points and supplying no proof. Harris and more certainly Biden seems to have learned from his (their) mistakes.

[JoeMauer89]

Hey Petey, your pal trump kills tens of thousands of those same people with your approval. I'm sure he greatly appreciates your support and unending love.

Kamala Harris prosecutes people? While she did her job in attempting to prosecute those brought in on selective charges made by the cops, your heroes in the NYC police department prosecuted the innocent Central Park Five by making up the story that they raped someone when they didn't. Your hero trump called for their execution while you happily applauded. All this while they were innocent. So who is worse?

Brook,

You have a serious unhealthy obsession with Trump, last I checked he is not running our country anymore, Biden IS. You going to sit here for 4 years complaining, bitching and moaning about what he did and then before you know it there could be another republican in office! Wait, I've already figured you out, your intention is to be the same divisive force that you complain and moan about all the time with Trump. Yet you do so without even realizing it. What a joke!

JoeMauer89!

[Brooklyn]

Brook,

You have a serious unhealthy obsession with Trump, last I checked he is not running our country anymore, Biden IS. You going to sit here for 4 years complaining, bitching and moaning about what he did and then before you know it there could be another republican in office! Wait, I've already figured you out, your intention is to be the same divisive force that you complain and moan about all the time with Trump. Yet you do so without even realizing it. What a joke!

JoeMauer89!

You might tell your pal Petey that Kamala is no longer operating in California and that Uncle Joe is in the White House, not Congress. Yet, he is biiiitching and moaning about their past with your ready approval. So where's your hate for his words?

[Brooklyn]

‘We’re terrorized’: LA sheriffs frequently harass families of people they kill, says report
Los Angeles sheriff’s department has routinely retaliated against victims’ relatives who speak out, NLG and ACLU say in report


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ims-report


Los Angeles sheriff deputies frequently harass the families of people they have killed, including taunting them at vigils, parking outside their homes and following them and pulling them over for no reason, according to a new report from the National Lawyers Guild (NLG) and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).



The LA sheriff’s department (LASD), which has faced national scrutiny for its corruption scandals and killings of young Black and Latino men, has routinely retaliated against victims’ relatives who speak out, the groups said in the report released on Tuesday.

The authors collected detailed accounts of alleged harassment from the families of Paul Rea, an 18-year-old killed during a traffic stop in 2019, and Anthony Vargas, a 21-year-old shot 13 times in 2018. The report, also produced by Black Lives Matter LA and Centro Community Service Organization, alleges:

LASD deputies regularly drive by or park in front of the Rea and Vargas families’ homes and workplaces and at times have taken photos or recorded them for no reason.
Deputies have repeatedly pulled over relatives, searched their cars and detained and arrested them without probable cause, allegedly in retaliation for their protests.
Officers have shown up to vigils and family gatherings, at times mocking and laughing at them or threatening to arrest them, and have also damaged items at memorial sites.


“Since my son’s death, we have been terrorized. Every day, we’re watching our backs,” said Leah Garcia, Rea’s mother. “We are scared because we know what their capabilities are.”

An LASD spokesperson declined to comment, saying the department was not familiar with the report. In response to family members’ formal complaints of harassment, LASD has frequently concluded that “employee conduct appears reasonable”, records show.

LASD, the largest county police agency in the US, has faced increasing backlash in recent years for alleged misconduct and abuse by organized gangs of deputies engaged in violence and civil rights violations. The NLG report alleges that stations with officer gangs have been responsible for some of the harassment.

Hilda Solis, an LA county supervisor, also introduced a motion on Tuesday, which unanimously passed, calling for an investigation into incidents of harassment and for written policies to bar this behavior.

In August 2019, deputies drove by a memorial site for Rea and filmed his 14-year-old sister who was visiting, prompting the family to file a complaint, the report says.

In another incident that year, seven of Rea’s family members, including his grandmother, brought a cross to the memorial site. LASD allegedly showed up with a helicopter above them and numerous patrol cars. A deputy told the family that they were responding to calls that 60 people were gathered, but when Rea’s mother went to an East LA station to inquire about the alleged calls, the station told her that no calls or complaints had been made, the report says.

At a memorial gathering on 30 October 2019, deputies showed up and moved to arrest two of Rea’s friends, directing one of them to put out a blunt he had been smoking, the report recounts. The friend handed the blunt to Jaylene Rea, Paul’s older sister, so he could be handcuffed, and deputies then detained Jaylene Rea, put her in their patrol car and later took her to jail, where she spent the night, later citing her for “obstruction of justice”. She had given a speech that day at a rally, and the family said the arrest was retaliatory.




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Petey and his forum pals continue to act as if cops are holy angels. But those of us who do not live in the world of illusion know better.

[jhu72]

Prosecuting nonviolent misdemeanors is likely not a good idea.

Kamala Harris imprisoned thousands of POC for misdemeanor drug charges, putting their lives in the never ending merry go round of probation violations and recidivism. Families forever ruined. She even asked judges to keep prisoners in prison after their sentence had been served, because ‘their labor is cheap’.

Trump oth released and expunged the records of thousands of POC for same.

Can you provide some some sources to back all those charges up Goebbels? From reputable, non-right wing sources of course.

Even your dopey sources concur

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kamala-ha ... heap-labor

Do you require more? I can post hundreds.

... this article did not corroborate any of your charges. It only claims she wanted to keep some prisoners past their federally directed parole dates, not the end of their state imposed sentences. She claims she was not driving the program to maintain them for cheap labor. The author offered no proof. It is only a he said, she said.

Daily Beast is not normally a source of mine. Maybe there are less dopey sources.

Can you imagine writing what jhu72 wrote and still standing your ground?!?! ‘Sure, okay, Kamala wanted to keep prisoners in prison past their expiration dates, but can you blame her!?’

Oh also,

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/ ... rnia-crime -- unresponsive, doesn't address your specific charges against Harris.

https://prospect.org/justice/how-kamala ... locked-up/ -- clearly states the situation you have a problem with was of Jerry Brown's making, not Harris'. Doesn't really make clear Harris' role. The most that can be said is she was in the room.

https://websterjournal.com/2020/09/10/k ... nightmare/ -- your are kidding right. Nothing specific to Harris in this piece other than she is a disappointment. It is a whiny complaint of a prison abolitionist

Oh also, good to have media on your side scrubbing past articles.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/22/washingto ... ner-story/ --irrelevant to the points I asked you to provide proof for

So lets see what you claimed, and what you have proven...

Charge 1 -- Harris "imprisoned thousands of POC for misdemeanor drug charges"
Charge 2 -- Harris "asked judges to keep prisoners in prison after their sentence had been served, because ‘their labor is cheap'"

Charge 1 - you made no effort to prove this with your sources. She served as DA is all you have proven. That would have been stipulated up front. You provided no evidence as to the charges she filed, the race of those charged or the numbers found guilty of the charged "class". Further even if it were true, there is no crime. It is the job of an AG to oversee such prosecutions.

Charge 2 -- No evidence was provided that "she asked judges". No evidence that "she" personally interacted with any judge. No evidence that this was done after any sentence had been served. In fact it was clearly the case that no sentence had been fully served in any case. The point of the case was a federal judge was attempting to commute sentences to time served and when successful, the prisoners were in fact released. The contention that this was delayed because "their labor is cheap", is totally unproven. In any of your sources. It is asserted but not proven. Harris claims to have known nothing about it, or even if it were true. The issue in question was a hold over from the time before she was AG specifically from a period when her boss (governor) was running the office. He said, she said, as I said earlier.

In short you have proven neither of your charges and one of those charges even if true, is not illegal.

Now if you want to charge that she was AG (a political position) for a period in which systemic behaviors continued unabated in the criminal justice system and occasionally some questionable things happened - she is guilty.

[old salt]

Hey Petey, your pal trump kills tens of thousands of those same people with your approval. I'm sure he greatly appreciates your support and unending love.

Kamala Harris prosecutes people? While she did her job in attempting to prosecute those brought in on selective charges made by the cops, your heroes in the NYC police department prosecuted the innocent Central Park Five by making up the story that they raped someone when they didn't. Your hero trump called for their execution while you happily applauded. All this while they were innocent. So who is worse?

Brook,

You have a serious unhealthy obsession with Trump, last I checked he is not running our country anymore, Biden IS. You going to sit here for 4 years complaining, bitching and moaning about what he did and then before you know it there could be another republican in office! Wait, I've already figured you out, your intention is to be the same divisive force that you complain and moan about all the time with Trump. Yet you do so without even realizing it. What a joke!

JoeMauer89!

This will never end. He's still bitching about Nixon.