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Cooter wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:52 am Inside Lacrosse's headline:
"Virginia's Defense Takes 'Big Step Forward' in Win Against Lehigh"
- didn't Hofstra hold Lehigh to 3 last week?
Lehigh was without 2 starting attackmen also.
You both make good points about the concern of UVA's defense.

The odd thing part is that Matt Kinnear clearly knew Lehigh was missing a 1/3 of their team as he just finished writing an article about it before he complimented the UVA defense progress:

Matt Kinnear February 15th, 2019 9:00pm
Virginia's Defense Takes 'Big Step Forward' in Win Against Lehigh

Matt Kinnear February 15th, 2019 4:15pm
Lehigh's Pettit to Miss Season With ACL Tear; Seven Other Players 'Out Indefinitely'
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DU-fan wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:29 pm
Cooter wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:52 am Inside Lacrosse's headline:
"Virginia's Defense Takes 'Big Step Forward' in Win Against Lehigh"
- didn't Hofstra hold Lehigh to 3 last week?
Lehigh was without 2 starting attackmen also.
You both make good points about the concern of UVA's defense.

The odd thing part is that Matt Kinnear clearly knew Lehigh was missing a 1/3 of their team as he just finished writing an article about it before he complimented the UVA defense progress:

Matt Kinnear February 15th, 2019 9:00pm
Virginia's Defense Takes 'Big Step Forward' in Win Against Lehigh

Matt Kinnear February 15th, 2019 4:15pm
Lehigh's Pettit to Miss Season With ACL Tear; Seven Other Players 'Out Indefinitely'
With all due respect, Kinnear never played college lacrosse and for the most part is just spitting back news conference info>
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If I was writing a headline for this game, I would have focused on Kraus' 4 goals. His back-to-back goals in the 3rd quarter were like daggers in Lehigh's efforts to pull off the upset.
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Interesting to see H.P. Monday. Seems as if they appeared out of nowhere or Brigadoon.
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Despite cold rain tonight, conditions should be nice--50 and clear--by game time tomorrow. After beating Duke, High Point needed OT to beat Drexel, and they will have had one day less of rest than the hosts. Nolting is the no longer secret weapon who leads a balanced offense, and the goalie, who starred against Duke, is a blue chipper. My sense is that a healthy, if maybe a tad road weary, HP team is probably better than a Lehigh team who was missing two starting attackmen, but they are probably both fairly evenly equipped as threats to UVA.
After a decisive loss to Loyola, who just might run the table, and a win over the depleted Mountain Hawks, here's how I see UVA at this stage;
DEFENSE
After struggling behind a porous d against Loyola, the tender found his bearing against Lehigh. The close d, who lost both individual and team matchups against the Hounds, looked better versus the attack of the Mountain Hawks, which consisted of one starter, a middie moved to attack for that game, and one usual backup. If Nolting is not Spencer, he's close enough to create problems for whoever covers him. The team's best longstick is a pole who excels as a face-off wing and scored a goal. His backup is talented as well, and while no dm his stood out at the game's most anonymous posititon, the deep rotation has allowed a combination of underclassmen and veterans to gain enough valuable game experience that unlike last year, when the team's most versatile player was forced into lots of dm minutes before his injury, four ssdms have held their own so far.
MIDFIELD
As mentioned, the dm corps is deeper than last year. Face-offs have been rough so far although if the freshman and the veteran can begin to make opponents work harder for gbs, the wings, Conrad and Connors in particular, should grab their share of contested gbs. Aitken has, to no one's surprise, continued where he left off last year, a candidate for MOY. Conrad plays well between the lines but has had limited offensive opportunities because he has played a lot of time inside on a 1-4-1 against zones. If HP plays zone, which they did against Duke, he should see more time on the wing,whether starting there or ending up there off a mumbo. I'm not a fan of rotations versus running two midfields. Against Lehigh, six middies, the other four being Herring, Conner, Simmons, and Quinn, took the offensive runs, but I think Aitken or Conrad was out there for every possession. When Herring is in, he goes straight to X, with Aitken up top in the 1-4-4, Kraus on the lefty wing, Moore on the righty wing, and Laviano and Conrad for the most part on the crease. Herring has a good eye for cutters, especially when left alone, as he was against Lehigh, or covered by a shorty.
ATTACK
If Kraus is still hurt, he must be feeling better. He is a sharpshooter against a zone. Is he healthy enough to carry and dodge against man? You really couldn't tell against Lehigh. Moore can snipe from the wing against a zone. My sense is that he is going to have to emerge as the primary ball carrier at X against more conventional defenses. How long it will take the converted middie to feel comfortable there is to be seen. Laviano, after a terrific freshman year shooting, needs to play tomorrow more like he did last year than he has so far this year.
COACHING
Maybe because they couldn't get into a rhythm against Loyola and maybe because Lehigh played zone, the team has not displayed the propensity for pushing the ball that put the coach's best Brown team a goal away from the NC game. Maybe there is more of a commitment to adapting the style to the game rather than adhering to the same system, but this team seems more flexible in its approach than last year's.

High Point is certainly capable of winning this game. They have already beaten Duke, who may well still be one of the best three or four teams in the country. Tierney probably thinks so. I think the home field advantage, the extra day of rest, and more depth render the home team a slight favorite.
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molo wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:35 pm Despite cold rain tonight, conditions should be nice--50 and clear--by game time tomorrow. After beating Duke, High Point needed OT to beat Drexel, and they will have had one day less of rest than the hosts. Nolting is the no longer secret weapon who leads a balanced offense, and the goalie, who starred against Duke, is a blue chipper. My sense is that a healthy, if maybe a tad road weary, HP team is probably better than a Lehigh team who was missing two starting attackmen, but they are probably both fairly evenly equipped as threats to UVA.
After a decisive loss to Loyola, who just might run the table, and a win over the depleted Mountain Hawks, here's how I see UVA at this stage;
DEFENSE
After struggling behind a porous d against Loyola, the tender found his bearing against Lehigh. The close d, who lost both individual and team matchups against the Hounds, looked better versus the attack of the Mountain Hawks, which consisted of one starter, a middie moved to attack for that game, and one usual backup. If Nolting is not Spencer, he's close enough to create problems for whoever covers him. The team's best longstick is a pole who excels as a face-off wing and scored a goal. His backup is talented as well, and while no dm his stood out at the game's most anonymous posititon, the deep rotation has allowed a combination of underclassmen and veterans to gain enough valuable game experience that unlike last year, when the team's most versatile player was forced into lots of dm minutes before his injury, four ssdms have held their own so far.
MIDFIELD
As mentioned, the dm corps is deeper than last year. Face-offs have been rough so far although if the freshman and the veteran can begin to make opponents work harder for gbs, the wings, Conrad and Connors in particular, should grab their share of contested gbs. Aitken has, to no one's surprise, continued where he left off last year, a candidate for MOY. Conrad plays well between the lines but has had limited offensive opportunities because he has played a lot of time inside on a 1-4-1 against zones. If HP plays zone, which they did against Duke, he should see more time on the wing,whether starting there or ending up there off a mumbo. I'm not a fan of rotations versus running two midfields. Against Lehigh, six middies, the other four being Herring, Conner, Simmons, and Quinn, took the offensive runs, but I think Aitken or Conrad was out there for every possession. When Herring is in, he goes straight to X, with Aitken up top in the 1-4-4, Kraus on the lefty wing, Moore on the righty wing, and Laviano and Conrad for the most part on the crease. Herring has a good eye for cutters, especially when left alone, as he was against Lehigh, or covered by a shorty.
ATTACK
If Kraus is still hurt, he must be feeling better. He is a sharpshooter against a zone. Is he healthy enough to carry and dodge against man? You really couldn't tell against Lehigh. Moore can snipe from the wing against a zone. My sense is that he is going to have to emerge as the primary ball carrier at X against more conventional defenses. How long it will take the converted middie to feel comfortable there is to be seen. Laviano, after a terrific freshman year shooting, needs to play tomorrow more like he did last year than he has so far this year.
COACHING
Maybe because they couldn't get into a rhythm against Loyola and maybe because Lehigh played zone, the team has not displayed the propensity for pushing the ball that put the coach's best Brown team a goal away from the NC game. Maybe there is more of a commitment to adapting the style to the game rather than adhering to the same system, but this team seems more flexible in its approach than last year's.

High Point is certainly capable of winning this game. They have already beaten Duke, who may well still be one of the best three or four teams in the country. Tierney probably thinks so. I think the home field advantage, the extra day of rest, and more depth render the home team a slight favorite.
We'll see. I keep coming back to the theme that Lehigh was short their two starting attack men plus apparently 5 others and it was a three point game. That's not enough point spread for me to feel comfortable at all that Lehigh game showed anything at all.
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For as good as Nolting is, he is light years behind what Spencer is. That being said, HPs fogo was unreal against Duke and their goalie has been lights out.
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One of the keys on Monday is staying out of the penalty box. Giving up 3 EMO goals in the 1st half is not something you want to do each game. Lehigh had just 1 penalty and it didn't get called until the 4th Q. The worst thing about our penalties is that they were all fell into the "What were you thinking?" category.
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Njlaxx11 wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:24 pm For as good as Nolting is, he is light years behind what Spencer is. That being said, HPs fogo was unreal against Duke and their goalie has been lights out.
He’s a sophomore.
So of course the entire offense doesn’t go through him yet.

Those two though, can turn on the jets when it is needed. I saw that yesterday. A wildly entertaining game, wide open. Troutner made the game winning saves and Nolting with the game winning move to the goal and dump off for an easy one-timer.
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Avail. streaming on Xfinity - Comcast.
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Both teams too keyed up, sloppiness.

5 straight HPU, then Lancaster’s Grayson Sallade end to end, 5-4, looks like Sallade has found a spot teaming with Conrad as a two way.
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7-7 at the half.

Virginia up 12-11 end of 3rd.
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12-11 Cavs Q4.
Matt Moore 3 & 4.
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12-12 10 minutes to go.

Highpoint 13-12, 2:56
save Troutner
HIghpoint goal 14-12, 2:02

Connor makes it 14-13, 1;04

HIghpoint wins FO, running clock, Rode makes interception
Virginia timeout 12 seconds, HIghpoint up 14-13

Moore drives to goal, but Troutner makes save - Highpoint 14-13 win
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molo wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:35 pm Despite cold rain tonight, conditions should be nice--50 and clear--by game time tomorrow. After beating Duke, High Point needed OT to beat Drexel, and they will have had one day less of rest than the hosts. Nolting is the no longer secret weapon who leads a balanced offense, and the goalie, who starred against Duke, is a blue chipper. My sense is that a healthy, if maybe a tad road weary, HP team is probably better than a Lehigh team who was missing two starting attackmen, but they are probably both fairly evenly equipped as threats to UVA.
After a decisive loss to Loyola, who just might run the table, and a win over the depleted Mountain Hawks, here's how I see UVA at this stage;
DEFENSE
After struggling behind a porous d against Loyola, the tender found his bearing against Lehigh. The close d, who lost both individual and team matchups against the Hounds, looked better versus the attack of the Mountain Hawks, which consisted of one starter, a middie moved to attack for that game, and one usual backup. If Nolting is not Spencer, he's close enough to create problems for whoever covers him. The team's best longstick is a pole who excels as a face-off wing and scored a goal. His backup is talented as well, and while no dm his stood out at the game's most anonymous posititon, the deep rotation has allowed a combination of underclassmen and veterans to gain enough valuable game experience that unlike last year, when the team's most versatile player was forced into lots of dm minutes before his injury, four ssdms have held their own so far.
MIDFIELD
As mentioned, the dm corps is deeper than last year. Face-offs have been rough so far although if the freshman and the veteran can begin to make opponents work harder for gbs, the wings, Conrad and Connors in particular, should grab their share of contested gbs. Aitken has, to no one's surprise, continued where he left off last year, a candidate for MOY. Conrad plays well between the lines but has had limited offensive opportunities because he has played a lot of time inside on a 1-4-1 against zones. If HP plays zone, which they did against Duke, he should see more time on the wing,whether starting there or ending up there off a mumbo. I'm not a fan of rotations versus running two midfields. Against Lehigh, six middies, the other four being Herring, Conner, Simmons, and Quinn, took the offensive runs, but I think Aitken or Conrad was out there for every possession. When Herring is in, he goes straight to X, with Aitken up top in the 1-4-4, Kraus on the lefty wing, Moore on the righty wing, and Laviano and Conrad for the most part on the crease. Herring has a good eye for cutters, especially when left alone, as he was against Lehigh, or covered by a shorty.
ATTACK
If Kraus is still hurt, he must be feeling better. He is a sharpshooter against a zone. Is he healthy enough to carry and dodge against man? You really couldn't tell against Lehigh. Moore can snipe from the wing against a zone. My sense is that he is going to have to emerge as the primary ball carrier at X against more conventional defenses. How long it will take the converted middie to feel comfortable there is to be seen. Laviano, after a terrific freshman year shooting, needs to play tomorrow more like he did last year than he has so far this year.
COACHING
Maybe because they couldn't get into a rhythm against Loyola and maybe because Lehigh played zone, the team has not displayed the propensity for pushing the ball that put the coach's best Brown team a goal away from the NC game. Maybe there is more of a commitment to adapting the style to the game rather than adhering to the same system, but this team seems more flexible in its approach than last year's.

High Point is certainly capable of winning this game. They have already beaten Duke, who may well still be one of the best three or four teams in the country. Tierney probably thinks so. I think the home field advantage, the extra day of rest, and more depth render the home team a slight favorite.
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Please, HIGH point, go back to your pesky one team, AQ play in conference. Don't you know who we are. ACC athletes :roll:
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Wow. Nice win for Highpoint (again). Fitting end.
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I was going with Moore as player of the game, he was phenomenal.
But Troutner as he did last game, dials in, in the second half, a number of good to great saves, and nullified Tiffany’s ride with his mobility.
It was a good last play from Moore, not a great shot, but Troutner had it covered easily.
An all american performance from that goalie.
High Point 4 & 0, and certainly a Top Ten team.
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Another great win by High Point. Not so surprised by Nolting and Trotner. They are legit watchlist contenders. Very surprised by UVA mistakes, turnovers and terrible offensive play. For all the top recruits we keep hearing about them having, would think individual and team offensive play, as well as decision making, would be much better.
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More proof that the playing field is much more leveled across the top 1/3 in D1. Coaching is key, and to be frank, Lars appears to have little control of the team...there is a line between letting them play and not giving them too much rope, currently someone keeps adding more rope to the spool. It's gonna be tough to pull this back in unless there is some devious orchestrated plan we know nothing about.

The only organization on defense appears to be some type of hedge/trap around GLE and even that appears to not have disciplined standards. #TheyNeedYouLars.
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