Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[Peter Brown]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.

The focus on police by the woke and desperately woke is hilarious, though unintended. These are actual racists.

These muttonheads are begging to Baltimore-ize the rest of the country. Police have zero incentive to pretty much do anything in minority neighborhoods. They certainly won’t do any preventative policing. What’s their incentive? To have guys like Lebron post ‘you’re next’ on Twitter with a cop’s face to his 20 million followers, any number of whom are mentally unstable, all for stopping one black woman from stabbing to death another knack woman. The cop next time will simply watch two young black girls murder each other. Preferable to being doxxed by Lebron.

The cops won’t quit their jobs necessarily (though good people are now indebted to NOT apply), so they’ll show up when the bodies drop. Just like Baltimore.

Watch crime spike, murders explode, and private businesses leave minority neighborhoods in droves.

All because of the Left. Congrats?

It’s so easy to see who are the real racists in America.

Murder rates soar dramatically in cities after BLM protests with up to 6,000 extra deaths nationwide - massively outweighing the decline in police shootings, researcher finds

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... finds.html

Now watch the hysteric yenta birdbrains say ‘but but but...’.

Reap what you sew. You don’t care about black lives. At all.

[MDlaxfan76]

On this other matter, body cams should be required by all police depths and turning them off should result in getting disciplined, and if repeated canned.

They cut both ways.

And they should be released right away regardless of whether it reflects well or badly on the officer.

This one looks like a justified shooting, though not clear why 4 shots were necessary.

Obviously, it's all tragic.

So when your the cop responding to the call and the bad guy/gal is throwing lead at you.. don't forget to turn your body cam on. Why ?? Because stone cold MD lax said so.. MD lax knows your job and SOPs way better than you do. If your ass doesn't get shot while your arresting the bad guy/gal you can give him advice as to how he should run his business. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Funny how MD lax has all of this wisdom as to how the police should do their job. Maybe the cops in Baltimore should grab him by the scruff of his neck and let him ride with them on a Saturday night. If nothing else he would make a wonderful human shield.

Why was your body cam off cradle, to eat a donut?

No, the body cam should be on ALL the time when on duty. Period. Doesn't get turned off and on.

You're correct, asking cops to remember to turn them on as a stressful situation is going down is unrealistic.

BTW, this is recommended by cops now, not just police reformers. It protects good cops from false accusations.

Petey, you do realize that at least one of our fellow posters has been a cop, right? Have you?

Body cams on All the time when on duty. You go on to state there is no practical reason for the cameras not to be on. I’ll share a few.

Some cities and agencies have Employee Assistance Programs staffed by licensed professional counselors to help their employees in a variety of areas. Work relationships, family issues that are effecting your work, your mental and physical health, drug or alcohol matters etc. Supervisors can recommend an employee partake and employees can voluntarily ask to use the service. Regardless, these are all confidential encounters and cops are ON DUTY during these visits. In addition to EAPs, some police agencies, the larger ones I’m aware of, have staff psychologists for officers to meet with to confidentially discuss various matters. Again, appointments can take place while on duty.

How about traumatized rape victims, victims of spousal abuse or other traumatic situation involving victims. Sure record everything and add to their misery. Were you one those during another discussion who suggested cops should have no discretion? Fortunately, some agencies have policies allowing officers to turn off their body cams in this type of situation.

Yeah record away. I’m sure you’ve seen some movie or cop show where the cop involved in a shooting has to visit a shrink. Well, that actually does take place. Yeah, go ahead and record the whole thing.

Then there are privacy issues that even the ACLU agrees there are times and circumstances cops should not have their body cam on. Sometimes common citizens can file an Open Record request for the video. Besides the cost of storage issues, the Open Records Act is one of the reasons many agencies try to delete videos depending on their legal requirements, usually 60 or 90 days for videos of a non evidentiary nature or part of an investigation.

There are many more, mundane reasons....you stated they should be on ALl the time, do the cops have it on while eating, taking a dump?? Great use of technology.

Here’s a read for you. https://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resourc ... 246869.pdf

Good points. No doubt the EAP and psych sorts of situations would be the sorts of reasonable exceptions. And yes there are others...they should be documented as the reason for a turn-off of the camera. Don't document, and then have an altercation? Uh oh. There are some limited other exceptions when discretion could be in order, but they should be documented as such...from the link you provided:

Determining when to record
The issue with perhaps the greatest privacy implications is deciding which types of encounters and activities officers should record . Should officers be required to record every interaction with a member of the public? Or are there some situations in which recording should be discretionary or prohibited?
One approach is to require officers to record all encounters with the public . This would require officers to activate their cameras not only during calls for service or other law enforcement-related
“For the [American Civil Liberties Union], the challenge of on-officer cameras is the tension between their potential to invade privacy and their strong benefit in promoting police accountability. Overall, we think they can
be a win-win—but only if they are deployed within a framework of strong policies to ensure they protect the public without becoming yet another system for routine sur- veillance of the public, and maintain public confidence in the integrity of those privacy protections. Without such a framework, their accountability benefits would not exceed their privacy risks.”
– “Police Body-Mounted Cameras: With Right Policies in Place, a Win for All” (New York: ACLU, 2013).
encounters but also during informal conversations with members of the public (e .g ., a person asking an officer for directions or an officer stopping into a store and engaging in casual conversation with the owner) . This is the approach advocated by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which stated in a report released in October 2013, “If a police department is to place its cameras under officer control, then it must put in place tightly effective means of limiting officers’ ability
to choose which encounters to record . That can only take the form of a department-wide policy that mandates that police turn on recording during every interaction with the public .”6
Scott Greenwood, an attorney with the ACLU, explained why the ACLU advocates recording all encounters . “You don’t want to give officers a list and say, ‘Only record the following 10 types of situations .’ You want officers to record all the situations, so when a situation does go south, there’s an unimpeachable record of it—good, bad, ugly, all of it . This is an optimal policy from a civil liberties perspective .”
Greenwood said this approach benefits not only the public but also officers . “Mandatory recording is also what will protect an officer from allegations of discretionary recording or tampering,” said Greenwood . “You want activating the camera to be a reflexive decision, not
something that officers have to evaluate with each new situation . If officers have to determine what type of incident it is before recording, there are going to be a lot of situations in which a recording might have exonerated an officer, but the recording was never made .”
However, PERF believes that requiring officers to record every encounter with the public would sometimes undermine community members’ privacy rights and damage important police-community relationships . There are certain situations, such as interviews with crime victims and witnesses and informal, non-law enforcement interactions with members of the community, that call for affording officers some measure of discretion in determining whether to activate their cameras . There are situations in which not recording is a reasonable decision . An agency’s body-worn camera policy should expressly describe these situations and provide solid guidance for officers when they exercise discretion not to record .
For example, officer discretion is needed in sensitive situations, such as encounters with crime victims or witnesses who are concerned about retaliation if they are seen as cooperating with the police . In other cases, officer discretion is needed for routine and casual situations—such as officers on foot or bike patrol who wish to chat with neighborhood residents—and turning on a video camera could make the encounter seem officious and off-putting .
6. Jay Stanley, “Police Body-Mounted Cameras: With Right Policies in Place, a Win for All” (New York: ACLU, 2013), https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/polic ... ameras.pdf.

Chapter 2. Considerations for Implementation 13
Of the police departments that PERF consulted, very few have adopted the policy of recording
all encounters with the public . The more common approach is to require officers to activate their cameras when responding to calls for service and during law enforcement-related encounters and activities, such as traffic stops, arrests, searches, interrogations, and pursuits . In many cases, the department’s written policy defines what constitutes a law enforcement-related encounter or activity, and some policies also provide a specific list of which activities are included . Many policies generally indicate that when in doubt, officers should record . Most policies also give officers the discretion to not record when doing so would be unsafe, impossible, or impractical, but most require officers to articulate in writing their reasons for not activating the camera or to say on camera why they are turning the camera off .

[DMac]

old salt wrote
One less hispanic officer on the force.

Yes, one less hispanic officer who escalates traffic stops into weapons in the face situations. You saw in the video you posted the Chief commending the rookie for trying to deescalate the situation/Hispanic officer to no avail. "You damn sure better be afraid to get out" with gun pointing to the LT's face. C'mon, salty, how can you not see that this isn't the kind of people you want on police forces? JFTR, it's illegal to drive with those license plate frames car dealerships put on with your plates too. What a fantastic opportunity for police to pull people over (the vast majority of people are unaware that's illegal), eh?
You can easily see those temp plates if you just look a little for them too.....of course he didn't just have tinted windows, he had deeply tinted windows to those trying to justify all of this. That car just passed inspection in order for it to be delivered to the buyer, no way that dealership delivered a car with illegal tint.

[Typical Lax Dad]

We only have video from the gas station.

Tag is right in the top right hand corner. Look it up yourself.

Presumably a cop car with headlights and flashers on trailing a car driving under the 35 mph speed limit (which the cops' report confirms happened) would also generate enough lumens to see the temp tag.

Come on Salty. Even you have to admit this one was total Bravo Sierra. The Town of Windsor does -- they shirt canned Officer Dumb Ass on the spot.

And because Lt. Nazario had the presence of mind to stop in a well lighted place, he's still alive and will be collecting a big check from the town shortly.

SMH

You cite a video, so link it. Here's the video I found.
https://fox2now.com/news/national/lawsu ... ffic-stop/
Look at the start of it -- the temp tag is not visible. Once Lt Naz turns his car off & the cops turn off their gumballs & approach the suv, then the tag in the window starts to become visible, but only if you know it's there & you know where to look. Nowhere is it visible enough to read & run the numbers. Is there not a rqmt for the rear tag to be illuminated ?

Lt Nazaro was uncooperative & UPPITY Had he complied, the incident would not have escalated.
The cops were telling him that.
If the cops feel it's necessary to unholster their weapons, it's best to comply, then sort out the details.
obtw -- how did they know he was black before they approached his door ?

The cop needs sensitivity training. The lawsuit is without merit.

Fixed it for you!

[old salt]

We only have video from the gas station.

Tag is right in the top right hand corner. Look it up yourself.

Presumably a cop car with headlights and flashers on trailing a car driving under the 35 mph speed limit (which the cops' report confirms happened) would also generate enough lumens to see the temp tag.

Come on Salty. Even you have to admit this one was total Bravo Sierra. The Town of Windsor does -- they shirt canned Officer Dumb Ass on the spot.

And because Lt. Nazario had the presence of mind to stop in a well lighted place, he's still alive and will be collecting a big check from the town shortly.

SMH

You cite a video, so link it. Here's the video I found.
https://fox2now.com/news/national/lawsu ... ffic-stop/
Look at the start of it -- the temp tag is not visible. Once Lt Naz turns his car off & the cops turn off their gumballs & approach the suv, then the tag in the window starts to become visible, but only if you know it's there & you know where to look. Nowhere is it visible enough to read & run the numbers. Is there not a rqmt for the rear tag to be illuminated ?

Lt Nazaro was uncooperative & UPPITY Had he complied, the incident would not have escalated.
The cops were telling him that.
If the cops feel it's necessary to unholster their weapons, it's best to comply, then sort out the details.
obtw -- how did they know he was black before they approached his door ?

The cop needs sensitivity training. The lawsuit is without merit.

Fixed it for you!

When you alter my words, that makes you a liar.

[old salt]

old salt wrote
One less hispanic officer on the force.

Yes, one less hispanic officer who escalates traffic stops into weapons in the face situations. You saw in the video you posted the Chief commending the rookie for trying to deescalate the situation/Hispanic officer to no avail. "You damn sure better be afraid to get out" with gun pointing to the LT's face. C'mon, salty, how can you not see that this isn't the kind of people you want on police forces? JFTR, it's illegal to drive with those license plate frames car dealerships put on with your plates too. What a fantastic opportunity for police to pull people over (the vast majority of people are unaware that's illegal), eh?
You can easily see those temp plates if you just look a little for them too.....of course he didn't just have tinted windows, he had deeply tinted windows to those trying to justify all of this. That car just passed inspection in order for it to be delivered to the buyer, no way that dealership delivered a car with illegal tint.

Look at the tape of the Nov stop. The good cop in that one did not see the temp tag in daylight. Are NY temp plates hard cardboard, like other states ? If yes, they can be mounted in the normal spot like metal plates.

The Chief also took issue with the way the LT responded & said it would have ended differently had he complied.
The Chief also said there were other factors that prompted the officer's initial response.

[old salt]

So he assumed he was black ? Or are you assuming he made that assumption ? Are those the officers actual words or another lawyer paraphrasing him. (no link provided). What about the 20% ?

JFC Salty. The cops words are on tape. Verbatim quote. Look it up.

Your argument that the cop wasn't profiling the guy as a minority was because that cop said on tape that there was ONLY an 80% chance the guy was minority???? Bahahahaha. I'm sure NJ Bill would love to cross-examine the witness on that fine argument. Sheesh.

FYI, same Lt. was pulled over for speeding in the same town a couple weeks before. Lt. drives to a super market parking lot -- same playbook. Officer Cool asks about the no plate and then calmly calls in the temp tag in the window (which is from NYS and presumably how they do it there). Since the Lt. got no ticket for the window tag presumably that's aok in VA. Lt did get a speeding ticket.

Officer Cool doesn't pull his weapon, doesn't act like a dick; doesn't demand that the Lt. exit the vehicle; checks the obvious paper tag for legal compliance. No drama, no danger, no bull shirt. Officer Cool still has his job and Officer Jack Ass is fired on the spot. And rightly so.


https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/is ... ieutenant/

Several differences --
-- it was only 1 min & 10 sec from blue flashers on until pulling off the road into the parking lot. @ 35 mph & decelerating => 1/2 mile or less.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Food+ ... 76.7256457
the cop was parked westbound, in front of Ramon's Used Tires. He started up, turned on his flashers, reversed direction & accelerated heading eastbound. Look at googlemap & see what a short distance it is to Food Lion.
-- it was daylight. Even with the tinted windows, that probably enabled the officer to see there was only one person in the suv.
-- the LT was cooperative, not argumentative. He did what the cop told him to do.
-- the paper tag wasn't obvious. Even in daylight, the cop didn't see it. The LT had to tell him where to look.
-- the Nov stop was daylight. It may be ok to hang a temp tag that way in daylight. Maybe not at night.
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/46. ... %20vehicle.
All tail lights required pursuant to subsection A shall be constructed and so mounted in their relation to the rear license plate as to illuminate the license plate with a white light so that the same may be read from a distance of 50 feet to the rear of such vehicle. Alternatively, a separate white light shall be so mounted as to illuminate the rear license plate from a distance of 50 feet to the rear of such vehicle.

Had the LT been that responsive & cooperative in the Dec stop, it probably would have been uneventful.
Officer Cool still has his job. The bad cop does not. The rookie has a bright future.
Officer JackAss was not fired on the spot. He was investigated & disciplined in Jan. He was not fired until 4 mos later when the video went viral.
The Chief said there were valid reasons that weapons were drawn in the Dec stop.
Officer Cool handled his stop very well. Surprising, considering his Celtic Cross tattoo. Who knows what sinister group he is part of.

[ggait]

Lt did not receive a ticket either time for the paper tag. So it was legal in VA. Out of state registrations are obviously legal in VA and in every state. Interstate commerce, you know. Many places use paper tags. CO uses them for example and until recently it was legal to put them in the window. Despite the law change, people out here (and many dealers) still put tags on the window.

FYI the law in many jurisdictions is that a traffic stop for tags becomes illegal once the officer sees the temp tags. So any evidence thereafter discovered is fruit of the poisoned tree. Makes sense since temp tags is a common pretext used by cops to make otherwise unlawful stops.

Didn’t realize they didn’t fire the jerk cop until the video came out. Once it did, he was gone in an instant. The lawsuit will discover if they disciplined the jerk cop. Which they should have.

[cradleandshoot]

Lt did not receive a ticket either time for the paper tag. So it was legal in VA. Out of state registrations are obviously legal in VA and in every state. Interstate commerce, you know. Many places use paper tags. CO uses them for example and until recently it was legal to put them in the window. Despite the law change, people out here (and many dealers) still put tags on the window.

FYI the law in many jurisdictions is that a traffic stop for tags becomes illegal once the officer sees the temp tags. So any evidence thereafter discovered is fruit of the poisoned tree. Makes sense since temp tags is a common pretext used by cops to make otherwise unlawful stops.

Didn’t realize they didn’t fire the jerk cop until the video came out. Once it did, he was gone in an instant. The lawsuit will discover if they disciplined the jerk cop. Which they should have.

Don't temp tags need to be verified with a temporary registration. I'm not 100% up to speed on the law in NYS. I understand it in the past to be that you don't drive that vehicle on the road without valid tags. They are even more anal retentive about proof of insurance and then a legal registration and inspection. I know the temporary tags thing in NYS is an invitation to get pulled over, especially by our beloved NYS Troopers. I have seen cars with temp tags written on cardboard with a sharpie. Sounds very hinky to me.

[Peter Brown]

Lt did not receive a ticket either time for the paper tag. So it was legal in VA. Out of state registrations are obviously legal in VA and in every state. Interstate commerce, you know. Many places use paper tags. CO uses them for example and until recently it was legal to put them in the window. Despite the law change, people out here (and many dealers) still put tags on the window.

FYI the law in many jurisdictions is that a traffic stop for tags becomes illegal once the officer sees the temp tags. So any evidence thereafter discovered is fruit of the poisoned tree. Makes sense since temp tags is a common pretext used by cops to make otherwise unlawful stops.

Didn’t realize they didn’t fire the jerk cop until the video came out. Once it did, he was gone in an instant. The lawsuit will discover if they disciplined the jerk cop. Which they should have.

I wonder if ggait is ever as worked up about anything as much as one errant cop.

Just kidding, I know the answer. He could not care any less in a trillion lifetimes when anyone is murdered, but god forbid a cop roids out on a traffic stop, then he posts 300 analyses!!

Gee, maybe he’s telling us something.

Maybe he was rioting in Central Park last night like these anti cop Democrats

https://nypost.com/2021/04/23/protester ... th-police/

[DMac]

old salt wrote
Look at the tape of the Nov stop. The good cop in that one did not see the temp tag in daylight. Are NY temp plates hard cardboard, like other states ? If yes, they can be mounted in the normal spot like metal plates.

The Chief also took issue with the way the LT responded & said it would have ended differently had he complied.
The Chief also said there were other factors that prompted the officer's initial response.

You don't see temp tags like that much in NY, we transfer the plates from the trade in to the new car when the person comes to pick up the new one up and a temp registration is taped to the inside of the windshield. In a case of no trade, the new plates are put on before delivery too as most dealerships can issue them right there or will run down to the DMV and take care of that stuff for you. That new car is sitting there looking all pretty and ready to roll, you don't want any snags when the customer comes to pick up his car. Further, there's no chance chance the Lt. put those temps on himself, you can bet they were put there by the dealership just like they've done thousands of times and put in the same place cops have seen them thousands of times. This cop had his mind all made up as to what was going on here and saw what he wanted to and didn't bother to see what was really there.
I watched the video enough times to see the Hispanic cop going apeschidt (probably had a little chubby going on with all the excitement and dominance and all) when it absolutely was not warranted. As for his not being fired before the video was released, well, that just speaks volumes as to what too many polices forces find to be acceptable as compared to what most of we ordinary ol' citizens do, doesn't it? Pretty sad that the rookie cop saw it but the old veteran didn't....that speaks volumes too. JFTR, a person sitting in his car with hands in full view out the window isn't being non compliant, he's just not pizzin his pants, shivering, and planting his face in the pavement just because some cop worked himself into a frenzy and told him to. You figure this is the first time that cop carried on like this or was it just the first time the public saw how he handles traffic stops?

[Typical Lax Dad]

We only have video from the gas station.

Tag is right in the top right hand corner. Look it up yourself.

Presumably a cop car with headlights and flashers on trailing a car driving under the 35 mph speed limit (which the cops' report confirms happened) would also generate enough lumens to see the temp tag.

Come on Salty. Even you have to admit this one was total Bravo Sierra. The Town of Windsor does -- they shirt canned Officer Dumb Ass on the spot.

And because Lt. Nazario had the presence of mind to stop in a well lighted place, he's still alive and will be collecting a big check from the town shortly.

SMH

You cite a video, so link it. Here's the video I found.
https://fox2now.com/news/national/lawsu ... ffic-stop/
Look at the start of it -- the temp tag is not visible. Once Lt Naz turns his car off & the cops turn off their gumballs & approach the suv, then the tag in the window starts to become visible, but only if you know it's there & you know where to look. Nowhere is it visible enough to read & run the numbers. Is there not a rqmt for the rear tag to be illuminated ?

Lt Nazaro was uncooperative & UPPITY Had he complied, the incident would not have escalated.
The cops were telling him that.
If the cops feel it's necessary to unholster their weapons, it's best to comply, then sort out the details.
obtw -- how did they know he was black before they approached his door ?

The cop needs sensitivity training. The lawsuit is without merit.

Fixed it for you!

When you alter my words, that makes you a liar.

[Peter Brown]

We only have video from the gas station.

Tag is right in the top right hand corner. Look it up yourself.

Presumably a cop car with headlights and flashers on trailing a car driving under the 35 mph speed limit (which the cops' report confirms happened) would also generate enough lumens to see the temp tag.

Come on Salty. Even you have to admit this one was total Bravo Sierra. The Town of Windsor does -- they shirt canned Officer Dumb Ass on the spot.

And because Lt. Nazario had the presence of mind to stop in a well lighted place, he's still alive and will be collecting a big check from the town shortly.

SMH

You cite a video, so link it. Here's the video I found.
https://fox2now.com/news/national/lawsu ... ffic-stop/
Look at the start of it -- the temp tag is not visible. Once Lt Naz turns his car off & the cops turn off their gumballs & approach the suv, then the tag in the window starts to become visible, but only if you know it's there & you know where to look. Nowhere is it visible enough to read & run the numbers. Is there not a rqmt for the rear tag to be illuminated ?

Lt Nazaro was uncooperative & UPPITY Had he complied, the incident would not have escalated.
The cops were telling him that.
If the cops feel it's necessary to unholster their weapons, it's best to comply, then sort out the details.
obtw -- how did they know he was black before they approached his door ?

The cop needs sensitivity training. The lawsuit is without merit.

Fixed it for you!

When you alter my words, that makes you a liar.

Intelligent reply.

[Peter Brown]

The racial discord industry is booming for Democrats.

It’s ceaselessly amusing to see the media amplify total lies. Our media is nothing more than a public relations agent for the DNC.

Almost every race story ends up misconstrued at best. Very few of these stories are accurate on their face. Smullet, Duke, Rolling Stone, etc: do you ever hear any Democrat analyze any of these stories once it becomes painfully obvious how wrong their hot takes were? Never. They move along as if they never said a word, praying somehow they weren’t as egregiously incorrect as more honest brokers were saying, and barring that, knowing their lemmings won’t hold it against them anyway.

Look at the resurrection of Dan Rather. A straight up liberal lunatic who could barely tell truths when that’s all that was asked of him. He should have been mocked into a quiet retirement, everyone looking at him like we look at crazy uncles. But the advent of Twitter allowed him to connect with similar liberal lunatics, so now he is invited back on actual news programs.

[Typical Lax Dad]

old salt wrote
Look at the tape of the Nov stop. The good cop in that one did not see the temp tag in daylight. Are NY temp plates hard cardboard, like other states ? If yes, they can be mounted in the normal spot like metal plates.

The Chief also took issue with the way the LT responded & said it would have ended differently had he complied.
The Chief also said there were other factors that prompted the officer's initial response.

You don't see temp tags like that much in NY, we transfer the plates from the trade in to the new car when the person comes to pick up the new one up and a temp registration is taped to the inside of the windshield. In a case of no trade, the new plates are put on before delivery too as most dealerships can issue them right there or will run down to the DMV and take care of that stuff for you. That new car is sitting there looking all pretty and ready to roll, you don't want any snags when the customer comes to pick up his car. Further, there's no chance chance the Lt. put those temps on himself, you can bet they were put there by the dealership just like they've done thousands of times and put in the same place cops have seen them thousands of times. This cop had his mind all made up as to what was going on here and saw what he wanted to and didn't bother to see what was really there.
I watched the video enough times to see the Hispanic cop going apeschidt (probably had a little chubby going on with all the excitement and dominance and all) when it absolutely was not warranted. As for his not being fired before the video was released, well, that just speaks volumes as to what too many polices forces find to be acceptable as compared to what most of we ordinary ol' citizens do, doesn't it? Pretty sad that the rookie cop saw it but the old veteran didn't....that speaks volumes too. JFTR, a person sitting in his car with hands in full view out the window isn't being non compliant, he's just not pizzin his pants, shivering, and planting his face in the pavement just because some cop worked himself into a frenzy and told him to. You figure this is the first time that cop carried on like this or was it just the first time the public saw how he handles traffic stops?

[cradleandshoot]

old salt wrote
Look at the tape of the Nov stop. The good cop in that one did not see the temp tag in daylight. Are NY temp plates hard cardboard, like other states ? If yes, they can be mounted in the normal spot like metal plates.

The Chief also took issue with the way the LT responded & said it would have ended differently had he complied.
The Chief also said there were other factors that prompted the officer's initial response.

You don't see temp tags like that much in NY, we transfer the plates from the trade in to the new car when the person comes to pick up the new one up and a temp registration is taped to the inside of the windshield. In a case of no trade, the new plates are put on before delivery too as most dealerships can issue them right there or will run down to the DMV and take care of that stuff for you. That new car is sitting there looking all pretty and ready to roll, you don't want any snags when the customer comes to pick up his car. Further, there's no chance chance the Lt. put those temps on himself, you can bet they were put there by the dealership just like they've done thousands of times and put in the same place cops have seen them thousands of times. This cop had his mind all made up as to what was going on here and saw what he wanted to and didn't bother to see what was really there.
I watched the video enough times to see the Hispanic cop going apeschidt (probably had a little chubby going on with all the excitement and dominance and all) when it absolutely was not warranted. As for his not being fired before the video was released, well, that just speaks volumes as to what too many polices forces find to be acceptable as compared to what most of we ordinary ol' citizens do, doesn't it? Pretty sad that the rookie cop saw it but the old veteran didn't....that speaks volumes too. JFTR, a person sitting in his car with hands in full view out the window isn't being non compliant, he's just not pizzin his pants, shivering, and planting his face in the pavement just because some cop worked himself into a frenzy and told him to. You figure this is the first time that cop carried on like this or was it just the first time the public saw how he handles traffic stops?

Good post Dmac. I know the transfer of plates and ownership of a vehicle in our state is controlled very tightly. The only temporary tags I see all come from out of state. I know an increasing # of police cars have those scanners that can hit your registration and inspection stickers on your windshield. They will pull up a red flag on these vehicles in seconds. You see these scanners on NYS police cars that patrol the Thruway. I believe it is the same technology that makes EZ Pass possible.

[Peter Brown]

old salt wrote
Look at the tape of the Nov stop. The good cop in that one did not see the temp tag in daylight. Are NY temp plates hard cardboard, like other states ? If yes, they can be mounted in the normal spot like metal plates.

The Chief also took issue with the way the LT responded & said it would have ended differently had he complied.
The Chief also said there were other factors that prompted the officer's initial response.

You don't see temp tags like that much in NY, we transfer the plates from the trade in to the new car when the person comes to pick up the new one up and a temp registration is taped to the inside of the windshield. In a case of no trade, the new plates are put on before delivery too as most dealerships can issue them right there or will run down to the DMV and take care of that stuff for you. That new car is sitting there looking all pretty and ready to roll, you don't want any snags when the customer comes to pick up his car. Further, there's no chance chance the Lt. put those temps on himself, you can bet they were put there by the dealership just like they've done thousands of times and put in the same place cops have seen them thousands of times. This cop had his mind all made up as to what was going on here and saw what he wanted to and didn't bother to see what was really there.
I watched the video enough times to see the Hispanic cop going apeschidt (probably had a little chubby going on with all the excitement and dominance and all) when it absolutely was not warranted. As for his not being fired before the video was released, well, that just speaks volumes as to what too many polices forces find to be acceptable as compared to what most of we ordinary ol' citizens do, doesn't it? Pretty sad that the rookie cop saw it but the old veteran didn't....that speaks volumes too. JFTR, a person sitting in his car with hands in full view out the window isn't being non compliant, he's just not pizzin his pants, shivering, and planting his face in the pavement just because some cop worked himself into a frenzy and told him to. You figure this is the first time that cop carried on like this or was it just the first time the public saw how he handles traffic stops?

Good post Dmac. I know the transfer of plates and ownership of a vehicle in our state is controlled very tightly. The only temporary tags I see all come from out of state. I know an increasing # of police cars have those scanners that can hit your registration and inspection stickers on your windshield. They will pull up a red flag on these vehicles in seconds. You see these scanners on NYS police cars that patrol the Thruway. I believe it is the same technology that makes EZ Pass possible.

In Florida, big brother is already here. And honestly I don’t really have a problem insofar as it cuts down on crime and identifies the bad guys.

https://www.govtech.com/products/Licens ... orida.html

You really can’t drive on the highways now without being flagged every few miles, assuming you are in a stolen car or are wanted.

[jhu72]

Chauvin got a raw deal.

[Peter Brown]

Chauvin got a raw deal.

Do you ever question why you hate police so much (after all, here you are posting a Chauvin article EVEN AFTER his conviction), yet you never post anything about the thousands of other murders of blacks in America?

[njbill]

Lt did not receive a ticket either time for the paper tag. So it was legal in VA. Out of state registrations are obviously legal in VA and in every state. Interstate commerce, you know. Many places use paper tags. CO uses them for example and until recently it was legal to put them in the window. Despite the law change, people out here (and many dealers) still put tags on the window.

FYI the law in many jurisdictions is that a traffic stop for tags becomes illegal once the officer sees the temp tags. So any evidence thereafter discovered is fruit of the poisoned tree. Makes sense since temp tags is a common pretext used by cops to make otherwise unlawful stops.

Didn’t realize they didn’t fire the jerk cop until the video came out. Once it did, he was gone in an instant. The lawsuit will discover if they disciplined the jerk cop. Which they should have.

Don't temp tags need to be verified with a temporary registration. I'm not 100% up to speed on the law in NYS. I understand it in the past to be that you don't drive that vehicle on the road without valid tags. They are even more anal retentive about proof of insurance and then a legal registration and inspection. I know the temporary tags thing in NYS is an invitation to get pulled over, especially by our beloved NYS Troopers. I have seen cars with temp tags written on cardboard with a sharpie. Sounds very hinky to me.

I thought the law in New York was that the only cars allowed to be pulled over are those from out of state, especially New Jersey.