Progressive Ideology

[cradleandshoot]

Pepsi is and always was WAY better anyway.

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I worked for them for 20 years as well before they laid me off. My job was the same for both companies. Install fountain equipment and coolers and vendors and repair them. I never had any real loyalty to either brand. I just did my job. My philosophy will always be don't mix your business with politics.

yeah, the problem is that supporting democracy, encouraging voting, shouldn't be "politics" in any partisan sense...it should be as All-American as apple pie, etc. And Coca-Cola. On brand.

Of course, it's very much an international brand, though consistent with what might be called "liberal" American democracy values: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2406n8_rUw

a more recent (2015) version:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miPcx5mi3Rs

and how the company wishes to be seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b18LXBpVDo

re COVID: April a year ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp6UZ_I4zj0

I worked for Coca Cola long enough to be well aware of how hypersensitive they are when it comes to PC culture. I can tell you when some of the big wigs talk "off the record" they will admit it is a game they have to play. The problem is for both Coke and Pepsi on a national corporate level, their good customers come in Democrat and Republican flavors. They all tend to buy a lot of sugar water over the course of the year. The corporate folks seldom talk about cases of product like local management does... THEY PREACH VOLUME and lots of it. Coca Cola big wigs are doing what they see is best for the company image. They have to be aware of the repercussions of offending the political sensitivities of in this case Georgia Republicans who drive a huge number of that VOLUME that the people at Coca Cola work so hard to build. Easy to lose and really hard to get back. Any KAM ( key account manager) knows that drill very well.

yeah, that first ad was back in 1971...let's just say they've been "hypersensitive" to the culture for a long time and have found it in their business interests to be aligned with what at least some would call progressive liberal democratic values (others would call that American values). Sure, the KKK/Proud Boys sorts probably drink a lot of COKE (no Diet Coke for them!) but it pales in comparison to the overall market. And the overall market has been leaning forward in social progress, not backward...and corporations that serve consumers know this...it's only recently become "PC" with some folks and labelled "partisan" to be leaning forward, "woke". Enough that the former POTUS calls for boycotts because corporations are deciding to stand in favor of voting access...and we all know we can't have that, Trumpists might lose!

This become what I call MD the "chit rolls downhill" problem. It no longer becomes a gripe about what Coca Cola big wigs in Atlanta think. It is when that republican owner of a very big restaurant chain in Rochester takes it personal enough to call Pepsi and allow them to become their new beverage provider. This will happen to one degree or another all over the country. The loss of business has nothing to do with service or pricing it involves the owner taking personal offense to the corporate people. This does not bother the Coca Cola people in Atlanta one little bit. The independent coke distributor is the one who takes it in the shorts. That is their case volume walking out the door that may never come back. It is what it is. IMO Coca Cola should have stayed out of it. That ship has sailed now.

well sure, so organize a campaign to get Pepsi on the record too...what's their posture?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on- ... -at-pepsi/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pepsi ... elsewhere/

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5 ... ott-report

Pepsi I believe is still split into 2 halves. There is the business and marketing end and there is the bottling and manufacturing end. I believe the bottling business is still called PBG. As a general rule I think they would would do everything in their power to sidestep such a thorny political issue. Coca Cola is Atlanta, that is their national headquarters, they have a mind boggling operation that runs there, the coca cola museum is there. they train technicians there on all aspects of their equipment that they manufacture exclusive to coca cola. I don't understand why they did it. They are taking a political stand that could come back to bite them in the ass. The powers that be see it as a moral imperative to take a stand. The game will play out one way or another. This game has all kinds of interesting possibilities in a hypothetical sense. If the McDonalds corporate people were to give the Coca Cola corporate people any kind of blow back... chit will hit the fan. That probably won't happen but these big restaurant chains hate bad publicity in any way, shape or form.

I'd be willing to bet that the McDonald's folks would never criticize Coca-Cola for this move, they serve consumers too.

The thing that maybe some folks don't understand is that many consumers want to know the values of the companies whose products they buy...AND typically those who care have leaned forward in their social views, not backward. Doesn't mean that some consumers won't boycott a company, say Nike, for embracing leading edge such values, but far more go the other way and reward the company for said values.

Voting access is at least a 70:30 issue in America, with a majority of conservatives supporting increased voter access. A company doesn't want to be aligned with the minority on an issue like this, particularly not the even smaller minority who would actively go the other way.

In 38 odd years in this beverage business the only issue that ever touched a nerve with consumers that i recall is the plastic 20oz PET water bottles. The kids at local colleges would get real snarky about them all the time. They have it ingrained they are destroying the planet. Outside of that, very few customers I dealt with or consumers really did not care all that much except that their drink was cold and the equipment worked properly. You should really think long and hard before you heap praise on Coca Cola for their good judgement. You do remember New Coca Cola don't you??? It has been 35 years and the folks at Cola Cola have not yet lived down that fiasco.

[MDlaxfan76]

Pepsi is and always was WAY better anyway.

..

I worked for them for 20 years as well before they laid me off. My job was the same for both companies. Install fountain equipment and coolers and vendors and repair them. I never had any real loyalty to either brand. I just did my job. My philosophy will always be don't mix your business with politics.

yeah, the problem is that supporting democracy, encouraging voting, shouldn't be "politics" in any partisan sense...it should be as All-American as apple pie, etc. And Coca-Cola. On brand.

Of course, it's very much an international brand, though consistent with what might be called "liberal" American democracy values: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2406n8_rUw

a more recent (2015) version:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miPcx5mi3Rs

and how the company wishes to be seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b18LXBpVDo

re COVID: April a year ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp6UZ_I4zj0

I worked for Coca Cola long enough to be well aware of how hypersensitive they are when it comes to PC culture. I can tell you when some of the big wigs talk "off the record" they will admit it is a game they have to play. The problem is for both Coke and Pepsi on a national corporate level, their good customers come in Democrat and Republican flavors. They all tend to buy a lot of sugar water over the course of the year. The corporate folks seldom talk about cases of product like local management does... THEY PREACH VOLUME and lots of it. Coca Cola big wigs are doing what they see is best for the company image. They have to be aware of the repercussions of offending the political sensitivities of in this case Georgia Republicans who drive a huge number of that VOLUME that the people at Coca Cola work so hard to build. Easy to lose and really hard to get back. Any KAM ( key account manager) knows that drill very well.

yeah, that first ad was back in 1971...let's just say they've been "hypersensitive" to the culture for a long time and have found it in their business interests to be aligned with what at least some would call progressive liberal democratic values (others would call that American values). Sure, the KKK/Proud Boys sorts probably drink a lot of COKE (no Diet Coke for them!) but it pales in comparison to the overall market. And the overall market has been leaning forward in social progress, not backward...and corporations that serve consumers know this...it's only recently become "PC" with some folks and labelled "partisan" to be leaning forward, "woke". Enough that the former POTUS calls for boycotts because corporations are deciding to stand in favor of voting access...and we all know we can't have that, Trumpists might lose!

This become what I call MD the "chit rolls downhill" problem. It no longer becomes a gripe about what Coca Cola big wigs in Atlanta think. It is when that republican owner of a very big restaurant chain in Rochester takes it personal enough to call Pepsi and allow them to become their new beverage provider. This will happen to one degree or another all over the country. The loss of business has nothing to do with service or pricing it involves the owner taking personal offense to the corporate people. This does not bother the Coca Cola people in Atlanta one little bit. The independent coke distributor is the one who takes it in the shorts. That is their case volume walking out the door that may never come back. It is what it is. IMO Coca Cola should have stayed out of it. That ship has sailed now.

well sure, so organize a campaign to get Pepsi on the record too...what's their posture?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on- ... -at-pepsi/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pepsi ... elsewhere/

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5 ... ott-report

Pepsi I believe is still split into 2 halves. There is the business and marketing end and there is the bottling and manufacturing end. I believe the bottling business is still called PBG. As a general rule I think they would would do everything in their power to sidestep such a thorny political issue. Coca Cola is Atlanta, that is their national headquarters, they have a mind boggling operation that runs there, the coca cola museum is there. they train technicians there on all aspects of their equipment that they manufacture exclusive to coca cola. I don't understand why they did it. They are taking a political stand that could come back to bite them in the ass. The powers that be see it as a moral imperative to take a stand. The game will play out one way or another. This game has all kinds of interesting possibilities in a hypothetical sense. If the McDonalds corporate people were to give the Coca Cola corporate people any kind of blow back... chit will hit the fan. That probably won't happen but these big restaurant chains hate bad publicity in any way, shape or form.

I'd be willing to bet that the McDonald's folks would never criticize Coca-Cola for this move, they serve consumers too.

The thing that maybe some folks don't understand is that many consumers want to know the values of the companies whose products they buy...AND typically those who care have leaned forward in their social views, not backward. Doesn't mean that some consumers won't boycott a company, say Nike, for embracing leading edge such values, but far more go the other way and reward the company for said values.

Voting access is at least a 70:30 issue in America, with a majority of conservatives supporting increased voter access. A company doesn't want to be aligned with the minority on an issue like this, particularly not the even smaller minority who would actively go the other way.

In 38 odd years in this beverage business the only issue that ever touched a nerve with consumers that i recall is the plastic 20oz PET water bottles. The kids at local colleges would get real snarky about them all the time. They have it ingrained they are destroying the planet. Outside of that, very few customers I dealt with or consumers really did not care all that much except that their drink was cold and the equipment worked properly. You should really think long and hard before you heap praise on Coca Cola for their good judgement. You do remember New Coca Cola don't you??? It has been 35 years and the folks at Cola Cola have not yet lived down that fiasco.

Did I "heap praise"? Not my intent. Nor did I say they had good judgment, necessarily, much less in all instances, just that they are rational... and that there are realities of consumers that they certainly well understand, and that includes how corporate values, as perceived by consumers, can impact sales.

Now, IMO, Coca-Cola has a rather long history of trying to come across as valuing inclusiveness, and this particular move, under pressure to respond one way or another, is simply "on-brand". Pepsi would likely make the same calculation. Indeed most large consumer companies, especially those with a customer base skewed younger (as is the case for both Coke and Pepsi brand portfolios), would make this calculation.

[dislaxxic]

Circa 1965, just pre-lacrosse career, this then 12-year old writer was on the swim team at the local YMCA. The Y had a Coke machine that dispensed actual glass bottles of Coke. Hangin' out one day waiting to be picked up after practice, i put two fingers in the slot where you popped the cap and it fell into a long, deep metal box. The box hung on a small lip i guess, cause you could lift it up slightly so that it tilted away from the door of the machine at the bottom of the maybe 6 to 8-inch long metal bottle cap container.

At one point, i lifted the metal box and, as i let it go, gave the machine door a little hip-check and VIOLA! A bottle of cold, crisp Coke came tumbling out of the machine!

Tried it again...it worked again! I made out like a bandit off that machine for at least a couple months until someone figured out that the "take" didn't equal the number of bottles missing, and the machine was replaced...with cans this time i think.

It was around that time that i became a life-long Pepsi fan...

..

[cradleandshoot]

Pepsi is and always was WAY better anyway.

..

I worked for them for 20 years as well before they laid me off. My job was the same for both companies. Install fountain equipment and coolers and vendors and repair them. I never had any real loyalty to either brand. I just did my job. My philosophy will always be don't mix your business with politics.

yeah, the problem is that supporting democracy, encouraging voting, shouldn't be "politics" in any partisan sense...it should be as All-American as apple pie, etc. And Coca-Cola. On brand.

Of course, it's very much an international brand, though consistent with what might be called "liberal" American democracy values: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2406n8_rUw

a more recent (2015) version:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miPcx5mi3Rs

and how the company wishes to be seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b18LXBpVDo

re COVID: April a year ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp6UZ_I4zj0

I worked for Coca Cola long enough to be well aware of how hypersensitive they are when it comes to PC culture. I can tell you when some of the big wigs talk "off the record" they will admit it is a game they have to play. The problem is for both Coke and Pepsi on a national corporate level, their good customers come in Democrat and Republican flavors. They all tend to buy a lot of sugar water over the course of the year. The corporate folks seldom talk about cases of product like local management does... THEY PREACH VOLUME and lots of it. Coca Cola big wigs are doing what they see is best for the company image. They have to be aware of the repercussions of offending the political sensitivities of in this case Georgia Republicans who drive a huge number of that VOLUME that the people at Coca Cola work so hard to build. Easy to lose and really hard to get back. Any KAM ( key account manager) knows that drill very well.

yeah, that first ad was back in 1971...let's just say they've been "hypersensitive" to the culture for a long time and have found it in their business interests to be aligned with what at least some would call progressive liberal democratic values (others would call that American values). Sure, the KKK/Proud Boys sorts probably drink a lot of COKE (no Diet Coke for them!) but it pales in comparison to the overall market. And the overall market has been leaning forward in social progress, not backward...and corporations that serve consumers know this...it's only recently become "PC" with some folks and labelled "partisan" to be leaning forward, "woke". Enough that the former POTUS calls for boycotts because corporations are deciding to stand in favor of voting access...and we all know we can't have that, Trumpists might lose!

This become what I call MD the "chit rolls downhill" problem. It no longer becomes a gripe about what Coca Cola big wigs in Atlanta think. It is when that republican owner of a very big restaurant chain in Rochester takes it personal enough to call Pepsi and allow them to become their new beverage provider. This will happen to one degree or another all over the country. The loss of business has nothing to do with service or pricing it involves the owner taking personal offense to the corporate people. This does not bother the Coca Cola people in Atlanta one little bit. The independent coke distributor is the one who takes it in the shorts. That is their case volume walking out the door that may never come back. It is what it is. IMO Coca Cola should have stayed out of it. That ship has sailed now.

well sure, so organize a campaign to get Pepsi on the record too...what's their posture?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on- ... -at-pepsi/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pepsi ... elsewhere/

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5 ... ott-report

Pepsi I believe is still split into 2 halves. There is the business and marketing end and there is the bottling and manufacturing end. I believe the bottling business is still called PBG. As a general rule I think they would would do everything in their power to sidestep such a thorny political issue. Coca Cola is Atlanta, that is their national headquarters, they have a mind boggling operation that runs there, the coca cola museum is there. they train technicians there on all aspects of their equipment that they manufacture exclusive to coca cola. I don't understand why they did it. They are taking a political stand that could come back to bite them in the ass. The powers that be see it as a moral imperative to take a stand. The game will play out one way or another. This game has all kinds of interesting possibilities in a hypothetical sense. If the McDonalds corporate people were to give the Coca Cola corporate people any kind of blow back... chit will hit the fan. That probably won't happen but these big restaurant chains hate bad publicity in any way, shape or form.

I'd be willing to bet that the McDonald's folks would never criticize Coca-Cola for this move, they serve consumers too.

The thing that maybe some folks don't understand is that many consumers want to know the values of the companies whose products they buy...AND typically those who care have leaned forward in their social views, not backward. Doesn't mean that some consumers won't boycott a company, say Nike, for embracing leading edge such values, but far more go the other way and reward the company for said values.

Voting access is at least a 70:30 issue in America, with a majority of conservatives supporting increased voter access. A company doesn't want to be aligned with the minority on an issue like this, particularly not the even smaller minority who would actively go the other way.

In 38 odd years in this beverage business the only issue that ever touched a nerve with consumers that i recall is the plastic 20oz PET water bottles. The kids at local colleges would get real snarky about them all the time. They have it ingrained they are destroying the planet. Outside of that, very few customers I dealt with or consumers really did not care all that much except that their drink was cold and the equipment worked properly. You should really think long and hard before you heap praise on Coca Cola for their good judgement. You do remember New Coca Cola don't you??? It has been 35 years and the folks at Cola Cola have not yet lived down that fiasco.

Did I "heap praise"? Not my intent. Nor did I say they had good judgment, necessarily, much less in all instances, just that they are rational... and that there are realities of consumers that they certainly well understand, and that includes how corporate values, as perceived by consumers, can impact sales.

Now, IMO, Coca-Cola has a rather long history of trying to come across as valuing inclusiveness, and this particular move, under pressure to respond one way or another, is simply "on-brand". Pepsi would likely make the same calculation. Indeed most large consumer companies, especially those with a customer base skewed younger (as is the case for both Coke and Pepsi brand portfolios), would make this calculation.

IMO this story will take awhile to unfold. There are scenarios I can see for some local bottlers that will lose them money and customers. The people that own Rochester Coca Cola are independents, they actually have very little in common with the coca cola USA operation. They probably won't be to thrilled about being hung out to try for a decision they had no part in. My opinion is still that mixing politics and soda pop will be toxic for Coca Cola. I guess moral victories are more important than bad business decisions.

[cradleandshoot]

Circa 1965, just pre-lacrosse career, this then 12-year old writer was on the swim team at the local YMCA. The Y had a Coke machine that dispensed actual glass bottles of Coke. Hangin' out one day waiting to be picked up after practice, i put two fingers in the slot where you popped the cap and it fell into a long, deep metal box. The box hung on a small lip i guess, cause you could lift it up slightly so that it tilted away from the door of the machine at the bottom of the maybe 6 to 8-inch long metal bottle cap container.

At one point, i lifted the metal box and, as i let it go, gave the machine door a little hip-check and VIOLA! A bottle of cold, crisp Coke came tumbling out of the machine!

Tried it again...it worked again! I made out like a bandit off that machine for at least a couple months until someone figured out that the "take" didn't equal the number of bottles missing, and the machine was replaced...with cans this time i think.

It was around that time that i became a life-long Pepsi fan...

..

When I was a kid the hardware store around the corner had an old vendo slant shelf. The machine you would put your dime in and open the door and pull out the bottle. We use to take a plastic cup and a bottle opener, pop the cap and pour it into the cup. Eventually someone was going to pull out an empty bottle and scratch their head.

[Peter Brown]

Democrats and free speech; like oil and water.

Police turn up at the home of 'shaken' California podcaster for 'threatening AOC' after he posted a tweet criticizing her comments on Palestine and Israel .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... g-AOC.html

What’s even more amazing than socialists using the police (I thought cops sucked...?) is how little pushback Fanlax libs will give to this unconstitutional abuse of authority.

[Peter Brown]

How come the Fanlax libs haven’t posted any acknowledgement of Fritz Mondale?!?

The dude was solid, patriotic. Lib, but normal (probably why no one has posted).

I’m embarrassed for you dunderheads. Someone should have posted something nice about this man.

RIP Fritz. Thank you.

[cradleandshoot]

How come the Fanlax libs haven’t posted any acknowledgement of Fritz Mondale?!?

The dude was solid, patriotic. Lib, but normal (probably why no one has posted).

I’m embarrassed for you dunderheads. Someone should have posted something nice about this man.

RIP Fritz. Thank you.

Your in the wrong thread Pete.
Check general chatter on the obits thread. I'm guessing that the buffet blimp already gave him the deceased oral sex that Mundull deserved.

[Peter Brown]

How come the Fanlax libs haven’t posted any acknowledgement of Fritz Mondale?!?

The dude was solid, patriotic. Lib, but normal (probably why no one has posted).

I’m embarrassed for you dunderheads. Someone should have posted something nice about this man.

RIP Fritz. Thank you.

Your in the wrong thread Pete.
Check general chatter on the obits thread. I'm guessing that the buffet blimp already gave him the deceased oral sex that Mundull deserved.

Thank you. Just found it. One post by Brooklyn.

[cradleandshoot]

How come the Fanlax libs haven’t posted any acknowledgement of Fritz Mondale?!?

The dude was solid, patriotic. Lib, but normal (probably why no one has posted).
I’m embarrassed for you dunderheads. Someone should have posted something nice about this man.

RIP Fritz. Thank you.

Your in the wrong thread Pete.
Check general chatter on the obits thread. I'm guessing that the buffet blimp already gave him the deceased oral sex that Mundull deserved.

Thank you. Just found it. One post by Brooklyn.

You mean the Buffet Blimp? I don't respond to that individual. I tried for a long time to try and have a sensible conversation with the blimp. Every attempt wound up with his trademark asinine reply of " my buddy george bush" I gave up, knock yourself the eff out if you can do better. IMO your wasting your time

A quick story for you Pete. The blimp, over on the old forum use to opine that the US Army turned him down when he tried to join. I am always very harsh on the the decisions our government makes... in his case, turning the blimp down was one of the smartest decisions the US Army ever made.

[Peter Brown]

No shock to me or anyone paying attention.

“White liberals are significantly more likely than other racial and ideological groups to be diagnosed with a mental health condition, according to science.

The findings, from a Pew Research Center survey published in March 2020, were the subject of a recent Twitter thread that inspired an Evie Magazine article on the possible "scientific correlation" between progressive ideas and mental illness”.

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/over- ... -condition

It’s no wonder cities are still boarded up. Libs...mentally unbalanced.

[jhu72]

No shock Florida men have ugly scabs on their knees from being cuckold by their wives with white liberal men.

[cradleandshoot]

No shock Florida men have ugly scabs on their knees from being cuckold by their wives with white liberal men.

Oh my!! I sense a tad bit of insensitivity on your part Doc. Those blue pills must be sending your libido off the charts. The crack of dawn won't be safe with you in the room.

[Peter Brown]

No shock to me or anyone paying attention.

“White liberals are significantly more likely than other racial and ideological groups to be diagnosed with a mental health condition, according to science.

The findings, from a Pew Research Center survey published in March 2020, were the subject of a recent Twitter thread that inspired an Evie Magazine article on the possible "scientific correlation" between progressive ideas and mental illness”.

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/over- ... -condition

It’s no wonder cities are still boarded up. Libs...mentally unbalanced.

There are a few likely suspects from this survey on this board.

[kramerica.inc]

No shock Florida men have ugly scabs on their knees from being cuckold by their wives with white liberal men.

Because white liberal men are a stereotype known for their "manliness?!"

[Peter Brown]

No shock Florida men have ugly scabs on their knees from being cuckold by their wives with white liberal men.

Because white liberal men are a stereotype known for their "manliness?!"

I was going to say something about projection but rumor has it that resident liberals here complain to the Administrators if they are hurt by comments directed their way.

[jhu72]

No shock Florida men have ugly scabs on their knees from being cuckold by their wives with white liberal men.

Because white liberal men are a stereotype known for their "manliness?!"

... speaks more to Florida "men" than liberals.

[Peter Brown]

No shock Florida men have ugly scabs on their knees from being cuckold by their wives with white liberal men.

Because white liberal men are a stereotype known for their "manliness?!"

... speaks more to Florida "men" than liberals.

Fairly racist comment since we are 20% black.

[Farfromgeneva]

No shock Florida men have ugly scabs on their knees from being cuckold by their wives with white liberal men.

Because white liberal men are a stereotype known for their "manliness?!"

You should’ve stayed out of this topic. Manly. What are you talking about.

I was going to say something about projection but rumor has it that resident liberals here complain to the Administrators if they are hurt by comments directed their way.

[kramerica.inc]

No shock Florida men have ugly scabs on their knees from being cuckold by their wives with white liberal men.

Because white liberal men are a stereotype known for their "manliness?!"

You should’ve stayed out of this topic. Manly. What are you talking about.

I was going to say something about projection but rumor has it that resident liberals here complain to the Administrators if they are hurt by comments directed their way.

?