Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[Peter Brown]

I may have missed it, but did either side bring up CV-19 as a contributing/protentional factor? Floyd did say he just recovered from CV-19 and we have all seen the x-rays and continuing effects of the lungs/heart post CV-19.

I think this is the only death occurring in the Trump presidency that Democrats won’t blame on Covid.

(I did not hear the attorney mention it but I’m only half paying attention).

[MDlaxfan76]

Yes, Covid was presented earlier...whole litany of possible factors that could have made Floyd more vulnerable.

But it's all BS, because the key factor was Chauvin's actions not Floyd's possible vulnerability. ANY person could have been, likely would have been, asphyxiated by the knee and positioning for that period of time, and Chauvin's non removal of the pressure even after being told that Floyd was unresponsive and had no pulse is all one needs to know that Chauvin, at a minimum, did not care if his actions were killing Floyd.

Any reasonable person, paying attention, knows that Chauvin is guilty of at least one of the optional charges, if not all three.

If the jury is hung, there will be hell to pay for sure. One more piece of evidence that even now, there isn't an ability to expect justice from our justice system, if you are a black man.

That said, I think we're at a potential pivot point to significantly better outcomes.

1) The protests last summer and continuing have been massive and interracially supported.
2) The police have broken past prior 'code' and have made clear that what Chauvin did was egregiously against policy and training, no excuse, and prosecution and punishment is supported by them.

Hope so.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Yes, Covid was presented earlier...whole litany of possible factors that could have made Floyd more vulnerable.

But it's all BS, because the key factor was Chauvin's actions not Floyd's possible vulnerability. ANY person could have been, likely would have been, asphyxiated by the knee and positioning for that period of time, and Chauvin's non removal of the pressure even after being told that Floyd was unresponsive and had no pulse is all one needs to know that Chauvin, at a minimum, did not care if his actions were killing Floyd.

Floyd died of natural causes.

[Peter Brown]

Yes, Covid was presented earlier...whole litany of possible factors that could have made Floyd more vulnerable.

But it's all BS, because the key factor was Chauvin's actions not Floyd's possible vulnerability. ANY person could have been, likely would have been, asphyxiated by the knee and positioning for that period of time, and Chauvin's non removal of the pressure even after being told that Floyd was unresponsive and had no pulse is all one needs to know that Chauvin, at a minimum, did not care if his actions were killing Floyd.

Floyd died of natural causes.

The critical lesson is if Chauvin isn’t convicted within ten seconds of jury deliberations that we burn down cities and loot stores of stuff we haven’t paid for. Right is right. Thinking is for losers.

[DMac]

First I've watched of any of this. Watched a pretty good part of today's proceedings. Must say, this defense attorney is outstanding, IMO. No denying that Mr. Floyd was a 6' 7" raging maniac all hyped up, not the kind of guy anyone here would want to deal with I'd guess. The knee on the neck for as long as it was is too much but Mr. Floyds uncooperative behavior (screaming maniac all phukked up) is what put him in that position, and intent to kill by Chauvin looks to be mighty hard to prove. Either way there should be whooping, hollering, and fire in the streets when the verdict comes down whether celebratory or in rebellious protest.

[MDlaxfan76]

First I've watched of any of this. Watched a pretty good part of today's proceedings. Must say, this defense attorney is outstanding, IMO. No denying that Mr. Floyd was a 6' 7" raging maniac all hyped up, not the kind of guy anyone here would want to deal with I'd guess. The knee on the neck for as long as it was is too much but Mr. Floyds uncooperative behavior (screaming maniac all phukked up) is what put him in that position, and intent to kill by Chauvin looks to be mighty hard to prove. Either way there should be whooping, hollering, and fire in the streets when the verdict comes down whether celebratory or in rebellious protest.

Don't need "intent to kill" to convict on any of the three charges.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/202 ... 286597002/

Yes, "too much"...

To not convict is to endorse the 9+ minutes, including the 3+ minutes after knowing that Floyd had no pulse.

[PizzaSnake]

Yes, Covid was presented earlier...whole litany of possible factors that could have made Floyd more vulnerable.

But it's all BS, because the key factor was Chauvin's actions not Floyd's possible vulnerability. ANY person could have been, likely would have been, asphyxiated by the knee and positioning for that period of time, and Chauvin's non removal of the pressure even after being told that Floyd was unresponsive and had no pulse is all one needs to know that Chauvin, at a minimum, did not care if his actions were killing Floyd.

Floyd died of natural causes.

In the sense death is natural...

[old salt]

The jury will convict. They don't want their city torched. Mad Maxine has spoken.

The jurors don't want to be doxxed then targeted. The mob will rule.
They just saw the home of a defense witness attacked.

[jhu72]

Yes, Covid was presented earlier...whole litany of possible factors that could have made Floyd more vulnerable.

But it's all BS, because the key factor was Chauvin's actions not Floyd's possible vulnerability. ANY person could have been, likely would have been, asphyxiated by the knee and positioning for that period of time, and Chauvin's non removal of the pressure even after being told that Floyd was unresponsive and had no pulse is all one needs to know that Chauvin, at a minimum, did not care if his actions were killing Floyd.

Any reasonable person, paying attention, knows that Chauvin is guilty of at least one of the optional charges, if not all three.

If the jury is hung, there will be hell to pay for sure. One more piece of evidence that even now, there isn't an ability to expect justice from our justice system, if you are a black man.

That said, I think we're at a potential pivot point to significantly better outcomes.

1) The protests last summer and continuing have been massive and interracially supported.
2) The police have broken past prior 'code' and have made clear that what Chauvin did was egregiously against policy and training, no excuse, and prosecution and punishment is supported by them.

Hope so.

+1 agreed. Based on the fact that the state of Minnesota took it seriously and did the best job they could, perhaps possible on the prosecution.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Yes, Covid was presented earlier...whole litany of possible factors that could have made Floyd more vulnerable.

But it's all BS, because the key factor was Chauvin's actions not Floyd's possible vulnerability. ANY person could have been, likely would have been, asphyxiated by the knee and positioning for that period of time, and Chauvin's non removal of the pressure even after being told that Floyd was unresponsive and had no pulse is all one needs to know that Chauvin, at a minimum, did not care if his actions were killing Floyd.

Floyd died of natural causes.

In the sense death is natural...

+1

[Peter Brown]

The jury will convict. They don't want their city torched. Mad Maxine has spoken.

The jurors don't want to be doxxed then targeted. The mob will rule.
They just saw the home of a defense witness attacked.

The judge just gave the appeal. Lol. Love Maxine waters.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/19/judge-in- ... to-appeal/

How is any rational human a Democrat?!

[njbill]

Very unlikely an appellate court would reverse a guilty verdict based on Maxine Waters’ comments. First of all, the jury was instructed not to listen to any media so there is no evidence they even heard the comments. Even if they did, she is an out of stater whose influence on this jury would be minimal at best.

[jhu72]

Could, but won't.

[Peter Brown]

Very unlikely an appellate court would reverse a guilty verdict based on Maxine Waters’ comments. First of all, the jury was instructed not to listen to any media so there is no evidence they even heard the comments. Even if they did, she is an out of stater whose influence on this jury would be minimal at best.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... aters.html




I love libs. They are our dunciest relatives.

[njbill]

Nope, wrong. No mistrial based on Maxine. You can take that to the bank.

I’m not going to bet on the verdict, but I will bet on that.

[MDlaxfan76]

The jury will convict. They don't want their city torched. Mad Maxine has spoken.

The jurors don't want to be doxxed then targeted. The mob will rule.
They just saw the home of a defense witness attacked.

You make it sound like (but I'm not going to assume) the only reason Chauvin would be convicted would be because of fear of the mob, not that he's a bad cop who killed a man and was caught on camera doing so.

Tell us straight, Salty, do you think Chauvin is guilty or not?

[MDlaxfan76]

Nope, wrong. No mistrial based on Maxine. You can take that to the bank.

I’m not going to bet on the verdict, but I will bet on that.

The Judge ripped her, but also came down strongly that it was insufficient to cause a mistrial. "What a congress person says or thinks really doesn't matter".

But he did allow that it could be the basis of an attempted appeal...pretty clear he felt it would fail.

[ggait]

Nope, wrong. No mistrial based on Maxine. You can take that to the bank.

I’m not going to bet on the verdict, but I will bet on that.

Maxine says lots of dumb things.

But she’s a double Einstein as compared to our poop throwing gator troll boy.

[MDlaxfan76]

Yes, Covid was presented earlier...whole litany of possible factors that could have made Floyd more vulnerable.

But it's all BS, because the key factor was Chauvin's actions not Floyd's possible vulnerability. ANY person could have been, likely would have been, asphyxiated by the knee and positioning for that period of time, and Chauvin's non removal of the pressure even after being told that Floyd was unresponsive and had no pulse is all one needs to know that Chauvin, at a minimum, did not care if his actions were killing Floyd.

Any reasonable person, paying attention, knows that Chauvin is guilty of at least one of the optional charges, if not all three.

If the jury is hung, there will be hell to pay for sure. One more piece of evidence that even now, there isn't an ability to expect justice from our justice system, if you are a black man.

That said, I think we're at a potential pivot point to significantly better outcomes.

1) The protests last summer and continuing have been massive and interracially supported.
2) The police have broken past prior 'code' and have made clear that what Chauvin did was egregiously against policy and training, no excuse, and prosecution and punishment is supported by them.

Hope so.

+1 agreed. Based on the fact that the state of Minnesota took it seriously and did the best job they could, perhaps possible on the prosecution.

But only potential pivot point.
Too many cases of juries not being willing to convict police to take it to the bank.

SNL's cold open a week ago was hilarious on this...painfully hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H_ZdnvMJnE

On the other hand, it's pretty clear that the right is working up their whining excuses about the 'mob" and "Maxine", so a guilty verdict in this trial is not singularly going to mean the pivot has occurred, but as police departments begin to see the rewards of getting on the side of actual justice in such cases, it could well become the norm rather than the very rare exception.

[Peter Brown]

Libs cant wait to riot and loot.

Now it turns out they were lying about Brian Sidnick too.