Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[old salt]

And these are mostly folks scared about cities that n general, often a racial component to that fear.

...everything is race based. How about homicide stats ?

[old salt]

I have seen no video evidence that he threw a gun over the fence at any time. If you have some, present it. There is body cam video of the time frame in question.

yeah, "morons". Everything I've seen, including this recounting provided by the troll, does not actually show that he was carrying the gun, just that it looks as if he "dropped an item", which "appears" may have been a gun...and a gun is found (that's according to the police, not the video)...but what this recounting and the video also makes totally clear is that he'd dropped any "item" and put his hands up, Empty, As Instructed, BEFORE the shot was fired. Unarmed. There was no imminent threat. Just a cop PO'd for having to chase him.

Let's assume that he indeed was carrying a gun, running from the police, not shooting at them or anyone else, he's ordered repeatedly to stop and raise his hands, he slows down, drops the gun, and hands open he puts them up...and is shot for stopping to do so...homicide.

Similar to road rage. Cop was angry that the little boy ran.

Shame on the cop for interrupting young Toledo's gang apprenticeship. Let him run wild, shooting up the neighborhood. Why install gunshot detection alarms, or bother responding to them ? The cop probably wishes he was still in the safety of Afghanistan.

The jury, grand jury, or prosecutor will examine the evidence to ascertain what the cop saw before he fired, in the split second he had to decide to shoot or not. Was it possible that the cop saw the gun in his hand, at his side & his body obscured him tossing the gun behind the fence, as he he turned to face the cop while raising his hands ? How would the cop know that he no longer had the gun in his hand ? You can't expect the cop to anticipate that he tossed the gun & wait until he was looking down the barrel of a gun to decide to shoot or not. Shots had been fired & a video image shows Toledo with a gun in his hand.

An asst state's attorney in Chicago is in hack for telling an inconvenient truth that displeased Kim Foxx & her mob.
Can't let the evidence out. That will make it harder to railroad the cop to placate the mob.
Maybe Toledo was on an early morning Subway delivery to Foxx's family friend Jesse Smollette.
https://pagesix.com/2020/08/17/kim-foxx ... walk-free/

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021 ... hand-leave
Assistant State’s Attorney James Murphy told Judge Susana Ortiz that Toledo had a gun in his right hand a moment before he was shot.

“The officer tells [Adam] to drop it as [Adam] turns towards the officer. [Adam] has a gun in his right hand,” Murphy said. “The officer fires one shot at [Adam], striking him in the chest. The gun that [Adam] was holding landed against the fence a few feet away.”

Murphy’s statement matches a portion of what the video of the fatal March 29 shooting shows, but did not specifically note that Adam dropped the weapon and had his hands in the air less than a second before he was shot by the officer.

In her letter Friday, Foxx appeared to acknowledge what sources in the office said is a widespread perception that Murphy “was being thrown under the bus,” as one prosecutor who asked to remain anonymous told a reporter.
“For many of you it may have been jarring to see our statement regarding this matter,” Foxx wrote. “It is indeed a rarity to see the Office make such a public statement related to the actions of an [assistant state’s attorney]. It was not done lightly."

https://apnews.com/article/video-adam-t ... db05a8aa82
Whether Stillman is charged will be up to the Cook County state’s attorney’s office, which will get the Civilian Office of Police Accountability’s report after the independent board completes its investigation.

Several legal experts said Friday that they don’t think Stillman could be charged under criteria established by a landmark 1989 Supreme Court ruling on the use of force by police, though another said prosecutors might see enough evidence to justify an involuntary manslaughter charge and let a jury decide guilt or innocence.

Stillman was responding with other officers to reports of shots fired in Little Village, a predominantly Hispanic, working class neighborhood of the city’s southwest side, at around 3 a.m. on March 29. Nineteen seconds elapsed from when Stillman got out of his squad car to when he shot Toledo.
As the teen slows down, Stillman yells “Hands! Hands! Show me your (expletive) hands!”
Toledo then turns toward the camera, Stillman yells “Drop it!” and midway through repeating that command, he opens fire and Toledo falls down. While approaching the wounded boy, Stillman radios in for an ambulance. He can be heard imploring Toledo to “stay awake,” and as other officers arrive, an officer says he can’t feel a heartbeat and begins administering CPR.

Other video footage released Thursday shows that Toledo had a gun in his right hand just before he was shot, and Stillman’s bodycam footage shows him shining a light on a handgun on the ground near Toledo after he shot him.

In its 1989 ruling, the Supreme Court said officers’ use of force may be legal if they truly believed their lives were at risk in the moment — even though, in hindsight, it becomes clear they weren’t actually in danger.

The legality of a deadly shooting, the high court said, “must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.” Similar wording is incorporated into Illinois law and the Chicago Police Department’s use-of-force guidelines.

Stillman knew Toledo had a gun within a second or two of shooting him, and the officer knew shots had been fired in the area minutes earlier, said Phil Turner, a former federal prosecutor in Chicago.

“I don’t think there is any question that any other reasonable officer would have acted in the same way that officer acted,” Turner said. “It was such a split-second decision. I don’t think the officer will be charged.”

Stillman’s attorney, Tim Grace, said the officer “was faced with a life-threatening and deadly force situation” and that “all prior attempts to deescalate and gain compliance with all of the officer’s lawful orders had failed.”

Stillman, who served in Afghanistan with the Marines and is a staff sergeant in the Selected Marine Corps Reserve, joined the police department in 2015, according to an incident report from the shooting.

In addition to posting Stillman’s bodycam footage, the review board released footage from other bodycams, four third-party videos, two audio recordings of 911 calls, and six audio recordings from ShotSpotter, the technology that led police to respond to the sound of gunshots that morning.

Toledo and a 21-year-old man fled on foot when confronted by police. The man, Ruben Roman, was arrested on a misdemeanor charge of resisting arrest but was later charged with felonies including the reckless discharge of a firearm, illegal use of a weapon by a felon and child endangerment. He was ordered held on $150,000 bond.

[runrussellrun]

It’s hard to care about every incident across America, RRR;

Caring is easy, not hard at all. Taking action, however........


I’d have no time for my actual life, police or other.

you are a hypocritical clown.....yet you have time to dissect THIS 13 years shooting, frame by frame........


What I don’t do is cast blame to every cop for the actions of a few.

Is it possible,for you to apply, the same principles "democrats" or "liberals" .........


I also realize that police across America interact with millions of civilians every day, with very positive outcomes.

Interact? How many of those "interactions" were about protecting and serving? Not about revenue collection, for the oligarchy?

The Shavers incident is far worse than the ‘racist’ incidents that are never racist. And it sucks.

No Duh.......and the Mesa AR insantity/SHaivers, IS the phucking problem. , yet, you spend NO time discussing how to change policing procedures.

I’m not sure there is a great answer to the Shavers police shooting other than you fire the police who are bad apples or simply bad at their job.

You are not sure there if there is an answer for Shavers killing.......... and how police should "interact" with the people that pay their salary
[/quote]



Police should never work alone
Police should NEVER have firearms..........they clearly don't know how to just

Yeah.....my penis shaft feels the same as my cell phone...............because the grip, weight....and feel.....of a tazer gun.....IS the same as a glock, fully loaded.

How bout this police training procedure ?

Every pig cop has to participate, TWICE a week.......for 45 minutes.....in firearms training.

That includes on the run shooting, hand gun retrieval....blah blah blah.

Also, TWICE a week,....pig cops will have to parcticpate in physcial training. Thumb holds, arm bars, komoras, etc.

You gonna keep on arming cops............and allowing a VETERAN pig cop to claim, "ooopps......I grabbed the wrong gun....sorry "

I notice a lot of useless, pig cops, doing traffic detail.....armed to the teeth......umm. why ? To drink coffee and yuck it up with the ditch diggers?

you must be the guy that wears his gloves while warming up the goalie.......

[Farfromgeneva]

It’s hard to care about every incident across America, RRR;

Caring is easy, not hard at all. Taking action, however........


I’d have no time for my actual life, police or other.

you are a hypocritical clown.....yet you have time to dissect THIS 13 years shooting, frame by frame........


What I don’t do is cast blame to every cop for the actions of a few.

Is it possible,for you to apply, the same principles "democrats" or "liberals" .........


I also realize that police across America interact with millions of civilians every day, with very positive outcomes.

Interact? How many of those "interactions" were about protecting and serving? Not about revenue collection, for the oligarchy?

The Shavers incident is far worse than the ‘racist’ incidents that are never racist. And it sucks.

No Duh.......and the Mesa AR insantity/SHaivers, IS the phucking problem. , yet, you spend NO time discussing how to change policing procedures.

I’m not sure there is a great answer to the Shavers police shooting other than you fire the police who are bad apples or simply bad at their job.

You are not sure there if there is an answer for Shavers killing.......... and how police should "interact" with the people that pay their salary

Police should never work alone
Police should NEVER have firearms..........they clearly don't know how to just

Yeah.....my penis shaft feels the same as my cell phone...............because the grip, weight....and feel.....of a tazer gun.....IS the same as a glock, fully loaded.

How bout this police training procedure ?

Every pig cop has to participate, TWICE a week.......for 45 minutes.....in firearms training.

That includes on the run shooting, hand gun retrieval....blah blah blah.

Also, TWICE a week,....pig cops will have to parcticpate in physcial training. Thumb holds, arm bars, komoras, etc.

You gonna keep on arming cops............and allowing a VETERAN pig cop to claim, "ooopps......I grabbed the wrong gun....sorry "

I notice a lot of useless, pig cops, doing traffic detail.....armed to the teeth......umm. why ? To drink coffee and yuck it up with the ditch diggers?

you must be the guy that wears his gloves while warming up the goalie.......
[/quote]

It this what the Beatles meant when they sang “Happiness is a Warm Gun”?

[runrussellrun]

Peter Brown.........interactions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkGMk4It4zw


Amy Klobucher could have fired Chauvin

Instead, she is buying microsoft stock after voting YES to give them contracts that last years.......awesome

[ABV 8.3%]

Police rock.....the best.

Thin blue line..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0qAl_rJdiw

interactions........go back to not having any time to discuss this issue.......

[youthathletics]

BHO said it best....

[Peter Brown]

Police rock.....the best.

Thin blue line..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0qAl_rJdiw

interactions........go back to not having any time to discuss this issue.......

I have time.

Unfortunately, it’s not an issue.

800,000 cops in America every year and you have a couple videos of a few rogue cops over a few years (with zero context to the videos).

Lordy, let’s change the entire system!

[Peter Brown]

BHO said it best....

Obama wasn’t reliably informed by ABC, RRR that it’s all the cops’ fault that so many people are murdered in Chicago.

[runrussellrun]

Police rock.....the best.

Thin blue line..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0qAl_rJdiw

interactions........go back to not having any time to discuss this issue.......

I have time.

Unfortunately, it’s not an issue.

800,000 cops in America every year and you have a couple videos of a few rogue cops over a few years (with zero context to the videos).

Lordy, let’s change the entire system!

if no problem, no need to change anything.........why are you interacting about a "non-issue" than?

talk about a waste of time.

[runrussellrun]

BHO said it best....

Obama wasn’t reliably informed by ABC, RRR that it’s all the cops’ fault that so many people are murdered in Chicago.

It IS all the cops fault.

Why do cops exist, if they can't improve those they are policing and the city they are doing it in.

Get it?

[Matnum PI]

Brearley Father

[youthathletics]

Nice to see Maxine Waters instigating, again..... inciting violence, she needs to be removed.

Waters was recorded saying, adding that protesters needed 'to get more confrontational' and they should ignore the curfew in place.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I have seen no video evidence that he threw a gun over the fence at any time. If you have some, present it. There is body cam video of the time frame in question.

yeah, "morons". Everything I've seen, including this recounting provided by the troll, does not actually show that he was carrying the gun, just that it looks as if he "dropped an item", which "appears" may have been a gun...and a gun is found (that's according to the police, not the video)...but what this recounting and the video also makes totally clear is that he'd dropped any "item" and put his hands up, Empty, As Instructed, BEFORE the shot was fired. Unarmed. There was no imminent threat. Just a cop PO'd for having to chase him.

Let's assume that he indeed was carrying a gun, running from the police, not shooting at them or anyone else, he's ordered repeatedly to stop and raise his hands, he slows down, drops the gun, and hands open he puts them up...and is shot for stopping to do so...homicide.

Similar to road rage. Cop was angry that the little boy ran.

Shame on the cop for interrupting young Toledo's gang apprenticeship. Let him run wild, shooting up the neighborhood. Why install gunshot detection alarms, or bother responding to them ? The cop probably wishes he was still in the safety of Afghanistan.

The jury, grand jury, or prosecutor will examine the evidence to ascertain what the cop saw before he fired, in the split second he had to decide to shoot or not. Was it possible that the cop saw the gun in his hand, at his side & his body obscured him tossing the gun behind the fence, as he he turned to face the cop while raising his hands ? How would the cop know that he no longer had the gun in his hand ? You can't expect the cop to anticipate that he tossed the gun & wait until he was looking down the barrel of a gun to decide to shoot or not. Shots had been fired & a video image shows Toledo with a gun in his hand.

An asst state's attorney in Chicago is in hack for telling an inconvenient truth that displeased Kim Foxx & her mob.
Can't let the evidence out. That will make it harder to railroad the cop to placate the mob.
Maybe Toledo was on an early morning Subway delivery to Foxx's family friend Jesse Smollette.
https://pagesix.com/2020/08/17/kim-foxx ... walk-free/

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021 ... hand-leave
Assistant State’s Attorney James Murphy told Judge Susana Ortiz that Toledo had a gun in his right hand a moment before he was shot.

“The officer tells [Adam] to drop it as [Adam] turns towards the officer. [Adam] has a gun in his right hand,” Murphy said. “The officer fires one shot at [Adam], striking him in the chest. The gun that [Adam] was holding landed against the fence a few feet away.”

Murphy’s statement matches a portion of what the video of the fatal March 29 shooting shows, but did not specifically note that Adam dropped the weapon and had his hands in the air less than a second before he was shot by the officer.

In her letter Friday, Foxx appeared to acknowledge what sources in the office said is a widespread perception that Murphy “was being thrown under the bus,” as one prosecutor who asked to remain anonymous told a reporter.
“For many of you it may have been jarring to see our statement regarding this matter,” Foxx wrote. “It is indeed a rarity to see the Office make such a public statement related to the actions of an [assistant state’s attorney]. It was not done lightly."

https://apnews.com/article/video-adam-t ... db05a8aa82
Whether Stillman is charged will be up to the Cook County state’s attorney’s office, which will get the Civilian Office of Police Accountability’s report after the independent board completes its investigation.

Several legal experts said Friday that they don’t think Stillman could be charged under criteria established by a landmark 1989 Supreme Court ruling on the use of force by police, though another said prosecutors might see enough evidence to justify an involuntary manslaughter charge and let a jury decide guilt or innocence.

Stillman was responding with other officers to reports of shots fired in Little Village, a predominantly Hispanic, working class neighborhood of the city’s southwest side, at around 3 a.m. on March 29. Nineteen seconds elapsed from when Stillman got out of his squad car to when he shot Toledo.
As the teen slows down, Stillman yells “Hands! Hands! Show me your (expletive) hands!”
Toledo then turns toward the camera, Stillman yells “Drop it!” and midway through repeating that command, he opens fire and Toledo falls down. While approaching the wounded boy, Stillman radios in for an ambulance. He can be heard imploring Toledo to “stay awake,” and as other officers arrive, an officer says he can’t feel a heartbeat and begins administering CPR.

Other video footage released Thursday shows that Toledo had a gun in his right hand just before he was shot, and Stillman’s bodycam footage shows him shining a light on a handgun on the ground near Toledo after he shot him.

In its 1989 ruling, the Supreme Court said officers’ use of force may be legal if they truly believed their lives were at risk in the moment — even though, in hindsight, it becomes clear they weren’t actually in danger.

The legality of a deadly shooting, the high court said, “must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.” Similar wording is incorporated into Illinois law and the Chicago Police Department’s use-of-force guidelines.

Stillman knew Toledo had a gun within a second or two of shooting him, and the officer knew shots had been fired in the area minutes earlier, said Phil Turner, a former federal prosecutor in Chicago.

“I don’t think there is any question that any other reasonable officer would have acted in the same way that officer acted,” Turner said. “It was such a split-second decision. I don’t think the officer will be charged.”

Stillman’s attorney, Tim Grace, said the officer “was faced with a life-threatening and deadly force situation” and that “all prior attempts to deescalate and gain compliance with all of the officer’s lawful orders had failed.”

Stillman, who served in Afghanistan with the Marines and is a staff sergeant in the Selected Marine Corps Reserve, joined the police department in 2015, according to an incident report from the shooting.

In addition to posting Stillman’s bodycam footage, the review board released footage from other bodycams, four third-party videos, two audio recordings of 911 calls, and six audio recordings from ShotSpotter, the technology that led police to respond to the sound of gunshots that morning.

Toledo and a 21-year-old man fled on foot when confronted by police. The man, Ruben Roman, was arrested on a misdemeanor charge of resisting arrest but was later charged with felonies including the reckless discharge of a firearm, illegal use of a weapon by a felon and child endangerment. He was ordered held on $150,000 bond.

Shame on the cop for shooting a 7th grader with his hands in the air. Maybe had he shot a dog you would have more sympathy. Carry on....time moves on.

[DMac]

800,000 cops in America every year and you have a couple videos of a few rogue cops over a few years (with zero context to the videos).

Lordy, let’s change the entire system!

No, Peter, this unfortunately is not the case and your statement is the definition of downplaying and understating. That is the problem, there are too many "rogue cops" and the "few" part comes in with the number of videos that have captured them over the past, let's say, fifty years or so (how many you got from 40 years ago?). Here's a video of just a few, now tell me how many places this goes on and how many cops are knowingly pulling this schidt on people. A few rouge cops my asz. They don't even have enough respect for dogs to let them do their job properly, let alone respect people's rights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSk2TYsc_vE

[Farfromgeneva]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

[Peter Brown]

Brearley Father

Hero to normal Americans

[Peter Brown]

Nice to see Maxine Waters instigating, again..... inciting violence, she needs to be removed.

Waters was recorded saying, adding that protesters needed 'to get more confrontational' and they should ignore the curfew in place.

Hero to the left

[Peter Brown]

800,000 cops in America every year and you have a couple videos of a few rogue cops over a few years (with zero context to the videos).

Lordy, let’s change the entire system!

No, Peter, this unfortunately is not the case and your statement is the definition of downplaying and understating. That is the problem, there are too many "rogue cops" and the "few" part comes in with the number of videos that have captured them over the past, let's say, fifty years or so (how many you got from 40 years ago?). Here's a video of just a few, now tell me how many places this goes on and how many cops are knowingly pulling this schidt on people. A few rouge cops my asz. They don't even have enough respect for dogs to let them do their job properly, let alone respect people's rights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSk2TYsc_vE

I’ve previously decried here the law known as civil asset forfeiture, which is what your video is actually about. The law is heroin for large government types, mostly but not always Democrats.

https://reason.com/2020/05/22/why-did-a ... overreach/

Do away with civil asset forfeiture now. Will Democrats agree? I’m not so sure. The left loves government and nothing causes more police abuse than this one law.

[DMac]

No, the video is about what you describe as "a few" rogue cops knowingly violating people's rights and not giving one flat schidt about them. This is far too common which you are unwilling to recognize.
I do understand what you're saying but this is just part of the picture, the bigger picture is the attitude/mentality that we (cops) can do whatever we want to people and they damn sure better comply cuz we've got the badges and guns.