Trump's Russian Collusion

[old salt]

Nasty Natasha Bertrand just refuses to give up on her collusion conspiracy theory :
http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/ ... 1933379893
Ken Dilanian & Chuck Rosenberg don't share her enthusiasm.

Flynn & Gates have co-operated fully with Mueller. Manafort, partially.
Bannon, McFarland & others co-operated sufficiently that they were not charged with anything.

With all those key insiders cooperating, there should be enough reliable testimony for Team Mueller to connect all the dots of circumstantial evidence, if there was actually a conspiracy.

The Russians obviously probed every member of the Trump campaign with whom they had a connection.
There's still no evidence that they connected enough to have an impact on the election, or that it was reciprocated in a coordinated conspiracy.

[runrussellrun]

I recommend you look beneath C&S's folksy delivery...there's a lot of truth to what he's saying.

"I just want Mueller to be free to do a good, comprehensive job, and indicate to us the extent to which the Russians distorted messaging, affected the election, penetrated the campaigns, and the means by which they did these things."

Sure, sure...but you left out the "hate factor." For someone who espouses such high principles/ideals, it baffles me how you also harbor so much hate for the POTUS.

As stated before, until you "resistance" peops stop hating, you'll never see things objectively/clearly.

Tech, this is true, as far as it goes. I really do loath Trump, and it certainly colors my so-called judgment. There is very little -- OK, nothing in my view -- to like about him as a person. He is nearly everything my parents tried (sometimes in vain, ok) to teach me and my brothers and sisters not to be. As a person, his vanity, sarcasm, lack of curiosity, faux and divisive "populism" and sense of entitlement is just too much to get past.

I can try to silo him into "the Presidency" and put aside his boorish qualities as a man. And here too, I see a bully pulpit used for division; the rollback of laws and regulations aimed at keeping water safe and toxin free this is just not true. Please prove it. ; alienation of our allies; What is an allie? Someone we sell killing machines too, or just trade with? silly and so far counterproductive trade warring; a tax cut and borrow scheme that has no basis in sound economics, aimed only at providing a benefit to a 1% which, hope against hope will allow something to trickle down, etc. So, why did Bush and OBAMA do the same thing ? He is not using the many levers of the Presidency for good, as far as I can see, and certainly has done little to nothing to help so-called middle class families. First evah pentagon audit pretty good. Prison reform good, no? Jobs? His Presidency has been spent campaigning for reelection and in an effort to thread the electoral college needle in 2020, by keeping his core constituency revved and rabid.

It's just sad. And, not parenthetically, predictable in a man with his basic character. And as DMac might say, hard to trust a guy without a dog.

tRump signed 443 bills into law during the 115th US Congress (all tRump )

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/ ... tatus[]=28

Come on Mr. Portsmouth, you can't find ONE bill you like? Out of 443?

Do you have a link to the bills he vetoed?

Yup.....here is the link: Bodhidharma.

Oh, I see what you are doing here.



"Never again", lied tRump. (in reference to signing the largest spending bill in history) Except, he and Congress have already "extended" that spending a few times.

[Trinity]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/10/us/p ... quiry.html

Sometimes a cigar bar ....where everyone leaves by a separate exit. But Burr says no collusion. Burr didn’t even have Kilimnik. How can he explain why Trump was spouting Kremlin propaganda?

[youthathletics]

VLADIMIR PUTIN’S ADVISER TELLS AMERICANS: ‘RUSSIA INTERFERES IN YOUR BRAINS, WE CHANGE YOUR CONSCIENCE’

Vladislav Surkov: Putin’s Long State

Foreign politicians ascribe to Russia interference in elections and referendums across the globe. In fact, the matter is even more serious - Russia interferes in their brains, and they do not know what to do with their own altered consciousness. Since, after the failed 90s, our country abandoned ideological loans, began to produce meanings and switched to the information counteroffensive to the West, European and American experts began to err in their forecasts more and more often. They are surprised and enraged by the paranormal preferences of the electorate. Confused, they announced the invasion of populism. You can say so, if there are no words.

Makes you wonder who's brain he is influencing?

[Trinity]

No contact with Russia. Now it’s constant contact, coordinated contact.

[jhu72]

VLADIMIR PUTIN’S ADVISER TELLS AMERICANS: ‘RUSSIA INTERFERES IN YOUR BRAINS, WE CHANGE YOUR CONSCIENCE’

Vladislav Surkov: Putin’s Long State

Foreign politicians ascribe to Russia interference in elections and referendums across the globe. In fact, the matter is even more serious - Russia interferes in their brains, and they do not know what to do with their own altered consciousness. Since, after the failed 90s, our country abandoned ideological loans, began to produce meanings and switched to the information counteroffensive to the West, European and American experts began to err in their forecasts more and more often. They are surprised and enraged by the paranormal preferences of the electorate. Confused, they announced the invasion of populism. You can say so, if there are no words.

Makes you wonder who's brain he is influencing?

Some minds are more susceptible than others.

[Trinity]

Fed Judge Jackson agrees with Mueller that Manafort lied about Kilimnik after his guilty plea. His plea deal is over. No collusion? Richard Burr, call your office.

[tech37]

Does that mean we have to 'hate' him? I don't think so.
But 'hate' or 'despise' all that he represents?
Works for me.

Now there is a logical fallacy if I've ever seen one... a "distinction without a difference" no doubt.

My point is, the hate and despising is blinding. For instance, look no further than the reaction of certain members on this board (seacoaster included) to the "bombshell" Buzzfeed scoop that, fortunately, was discredited by the Mueller team. If I recall correctly, a link was quickly posted to that tantalizing revelation for all righteous "resistance" fighters to drool over. It's sad...otherwise intelligent people reduced to knee jerk reactions on steroids...why?...cause, right in step with the Trump-hating media, we've got that bastard now! I don't mean to pick on seacoaster, unfortunately he's not alone on here. Reaction to the bogus Covington boys drama is another perfect example.

So, two years in and there's still no "direct" evidence of "collusion" (whatever that means). IMO, Mueller's report (whenever that materializes) or what the public is allowed to see of it, is sure to disappoint the "resistance" nation. I think C&S certainly has that right.

[laxman3221]

VLADIMIR PUTIN’S ADVISER TELLS AMERICANS: ‘RUSSIA INTERFERES IN YOUR BRAINS, WE CHANGE YOUR CONSCIENCE’

Vladislav Surkov: Putin’s Long State

Foreign politicians ascribe to Russia interference in elections and referendums across the globe. In fact, the matter is even more serious - Russia interferes in their brains, and they do not know what to do with their own altered consciousness. Since, after the failed 90s, our country abandoned ideological loans, began to produce meanings and switched to the information counteroffensive to the West, European and American experts began to err in their forecasts more and more often. They are surprised and enraged by the paranormal preferences of the electorate. Confused, they announced the invasion of populism. You can say so, if there are no words.

Makes you wonder who's brain he is influencing?

Some minds are more susceptible than others.

Yep, they all yell Russian collusion and believed in the pee dossier. Thought Muller, Avenatti, Stormy, and others would be their savior and bring POTUS down. Others just yell impeach all the time and can't come up with a crime. Many are in this thread.

[dislaxxic]

jerk Grabbing?
Playmate Payoffs?
PornStar Payoffs?
Charlottesville?
Stiffing contractors?
Hiring Illegals?
"Plenty of Money" from Russia?
Saudi Arabia is fine by me?
Immigrant Racism?
I can be great friends with Putin?
NK is no nuclear threat?
Paris Climate Retreat?
Money Laundering?
Moscow Hotel?
Riyadh Hotel?
Trump DC Hotel?
Campaign Inauguration Funds?
Trump Foundation?
Deutsche Bank?
Russian Mob?
Several Indicted/Convicted Insiders?

What did i forget??

The "sketchy" and skimpy examples offered up sure seem pretty cherry-picked, don't they? They apparently outweigh all the rest for some, and are reason to ignore all the rest. Huh.

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[Trinity]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-dh ... n-meddling

Trump don’t play D.

[seacoaster]

"My point is, the hate and despising is blinding."

No, it isn't. Bias doesn't blind, and you are really talking about bias. You can still follow a critical path. Seriously, read Michael Lewis's book, The Fifth Risk. Go to the public library. It'll take you two days to read it. The notion that this President and his "administration" knows what they are doing and are helping the future of this country is just nonsense. And that is separate from, but related to, the President's character as a human.

[a fan]

My point is, the hate and despising is blinding. For instance, look no further than the reaction of certain members on this board (seacoaster included) to the "bombshell" Buzzfeed scoop that, fortunately, was discredited by the Mueller team. If I recall correctly, a link was quickly posted to that tantalizing revelation for all righteous "resistance" fighters to drool over. It's sad...otherwise intelligent people reduced to knee jerk reactions on steroids...why?...cause, right in step with the Trump-hating media, we've got that bastard now! I don't mean to pick on seacoaster, unfortunately he's not alone on here. Reaction to the bogus Covington boys drama is another perfect example.

Ah yes, I long for the Obama years at the Water Cooler, where you and the rest of the Obama haters showed us how to be rational, and how to evaluate things a President does, regardless of party affiliation. Ah, the good ol' days of rational criticism, and complete lack of hypocrisy.

So, two years in and there's still no "direct" evidence of "collusion" (whatever that means). IMO, Mueller's report (whenever that materializes) or what the public is allowed to see of it, is sure to disappoint the "resistance" nation. I think C&S certainly has that right.

Sure, but please tell me that you're livid at a whole bunch of stuff that Trump and his crew did?

[tech37]

"My point is, the hate and despising is blinding."

No, it isn't. Bias doesn't blind, and you are really talking about bias. You can still follow a critical path. Seriously, read Michael Lewis's book, The Fifth Risk. Go to the public library. It'll take you two days to read it. The notion that this President and his "administration" knows what they are doing and are helping the future of this country is just nonsense. And that is separate from, but related to, the President's character as a human.

Hate, despising, bias...blah, blah, blah...just obfuscation on your part.

Thanks for the reading tip, but no thanks. My reading time is spent escaping all this crap, not wallowing in it.

[tech37]

My point is, the hate and despising is blinding. For instance, look no further than the reaction of certain members on this board (seacoaster included) to the "bombshell" Buzzfeed scoop that, fortunately, was discredited by the Mueller team. If I recall correctly, a link was quickly posted to that tantalizing revelation for all righteous "resistance" fighters to drool over. It's sad...otherwise intelligent people reduced to knee jerk reactions on steroids...why?...cause, right in step with the Trump-hating media, we've got that bastard now! I don't mean to pick on seacoaster, unfortunately he's not alone on here. Reaction to the bogus Covington boys drama is another perfect example.

Ah yes, I long for the Obama years at the Water Cooler, where you and the rest of the Obama haters showed us how to be rational, and how to evaluate things a President does, regardless of party affiliation. Ah, the good ol' days of rational criticism, and complete lack of hypocrisy.

Ah yes, the usual revisionist history according to a fan...we've been thru this before...I had much criticism re foreign policy, and identity politics, but never personally attacked the man or his family. If you think that makes me a hypocrite, I could not care less.

So, two years in and there's still no "direct" evidence of "collusion" (whatever that means). IMO, Mueller's report (whenever that materializes) or what the public is allowed to see of it, is sure to disappoint the "resistance" nation. I think C&S certainly has that right.

Sure, but please tell me that you're livid at a whole bunch of stuff that Trump and his crew did?

Sure stupid stuff happened no doubt but "amateur hour" not criminal. I'm livid that so much time and effort on the part of so many is spent attempting to delegitimize a duly elected POTUS, especially when the alternative would have been far worse. Now before you turn this into an a fan browbeating, let's just agree to disagree and save a lot of time and energy. You love rehashing the rehash...

[seacoaster]

"My point is, the hate and despising is blinding."

No, it isn't. Bias doesn't blind, and you are really talking about bias. You can still follow a critical path. Seriously, read Michael Lewis's book, The Fifth Risk. Go to the public library. It'll take you two days to read it. The notion that this President and his "administration" knows what they are doing and are helping the future of this country is just nonsense. And that is separate from, but related to, the President's character as a human.

Hate, despising, bias...blah, blah, blah...just obfuscation on your part.

Thanks for the reading tip, but no thanks. My reading time is spent escaping all this crap, not wallowing in it.

I kind of thought reading tips was one of the principal things we did on this board. Sorry for this impertinence, again.

[Trinity]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rt-in-jail

Roger Stone draws Judge Amy Berman Jackson. She loves stunts by defendants.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... -russians/

[youthathletics]

VLADIMIR PUTIN’S ADVISER TELLS AMERICANS: ‘RUSSIA INTERFERES IN YOUR BRAINS, WE CHANGE YOUR CONSCIENCE’

Vladislav Surkov: Putin’s Long State

Foreign politicians ascribe to Russia interference in elections and referendums across the globe. In fact, the matter is even more serious - Russia interferes in their brains, and they do not know what to do with their own altered consciousness. Since, after the failed 90s, our country abandoned ideological loans, began to produce meanings and switched to the information counteroffensive to the West, European and American experts began to err in their forecasts more and more often. They are surprised and enraged by the paranormal preferences of the electorate. Confused, they announced the invasion of populism. You can say so, if there are no words.

Makes you wonder who's brain he is influencing?

Some minds are more susceptible than others.

Yep, they all yell Russian collusion and believed in the pee dossier. Thought Muller, Avenatti, Stormy, and others would be their savior and bring POTUS down. Others just yell impeach all the time and can't come up with a crime. Many are in this thread.

This story out of Russia has the potential to be a game changer moving forward. Back in LP days, this was my prediction on the outcome (that no one in our country was going to found guilty of collusion / meddling in the election and Putin would end up the being the bad guy; wasted two+ years and a minor win for Russia). Putin may very well have shown his cards in this article and is doubling down on our main stream media and political never Trumpers inability to wait for facts, those believing Trump is Russian influenced have currently fallen for Putin's mind coup.

So what does this mean....the story in our media and political never trumpers has to now change. Will those never trumpers and media types acknowledge they got duped by Russia, nope? And what does that mean...IMO, it means Putin wins again, why? because it is no simpler than the fable Henry Penny and "the sky is falling". Couple that with all the mud already thrown at Trump by those same people, to which nothing has stuck, Trump comes out clean....whether we like him or not.

These next two years will be interesting, and quite frankly, Trump controls the cards on our pulse even more so, so long as he cleans up his act and leads in a more refreshing professional way. This immigration bill has the potential to really show a collaborative effort of unity that can calm and settle the waters. Will he do that, I hope so....but not holding my breath.

Heading off to work, have a great day everyone.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Putin tricked the prosecutors and judges into believing all the folks around the campaign were lying. Quite a feat!

[dislaxxic]

Wallowing in excuses, is more like it. Of course hypocrites don't like being called out, preferring to ignore the reams of evidence staring them in the face...

Will hear much more from them as soon as there's a little d back in the Oval Office. Count on it.

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