What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action? Experienced, 48 years old (26 years on the force), exemplary COP, new officer trainer, Casket Honor Guard, ex-Police Union President, Prom Queen, 5th Grade Spelling Bee Champion, prettiest baby in the nursery.
She was scared and she panicked. In 26 years on the force how many times has she been in this situation? I have no idea. IMO today I don't know why anybody would want to be a cop.
... scared of what? When I originally saw the video and heard her Oh Sh*t exclamation, was not watching closely, mostly audio, it sounded like she was surprised when she shot him. Gave her the benefit of the doubt. I am now not so sure. Watching the video a few more times, I don't see what she is scared of, I don't understand the mistake, I don't understand the pulling of the trigger. A skinny black 20 year old, no weapon we know of, not attacking her -- nope don't see why taser or gun was needed at that point.
She was scared enough and stressed out enough she could not differentiate her tazer from her handgun. I'm not making excuses for her Doc. I have not seen the video and really do not want to. her actions and decision making will be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Her career and her life as she knew are as dead as the young man she shot. I would have expected better decision making from a veteran of the force of 26 years.
You say she is so scared she did this, that and the other. OK. You submit she is scared. Scared of WHAT??
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action?
Because she was within 21 feet of a suspect. So she is trained (stupidly) that she is in mortal danger at that moment. And must defend herself with all necessary force. The biff of pulling the gun instead of the taser can happen. Multiple instances of that mistake being made by other cops.
The root cause/problem is that the cops are trained to escalate -- creating situations (unnecessarily) where weapons are drawn and life/death decisions have to be made. Once weapons are drawn, then the shirt gets real very fast.
It is like car chases.
Until recently, cops were trained to chase down fleeing suspects. Then people figured out that the car chases themselves were way too dangerous and were the problem that needed to be solved. Now, cops are banned from engaging in car chases in all but the most extreme circumstances (like a child kidnapping). Problem solved. There's a hundred easier/safer ways to deal with the suspect than a car chase -- and cops now use those easier/safer means.
The cops in Brooklyn and Windsor easily could have eased off and made everyone (including themselves) safer. But they are trained to always escalate and dominate any confrontation. Not trained to ask "do I need to be in this confrontation right now?" Add in the effects of racism and adrenaline, and we all see how these completely avoidable situations are not avoided.
Hey Brooklyn cops -- you got three officers on the scene vs. one suspect. How about someone bothers to close the forking car door after the kid gets out? Instead of leaving it open so the kid can hop back in? Stupid, sloppy and dumb.
... ok so I get it now. Not in any danger but within 21 feet = COP kills an unarmed (presumably) 20 year old and doesn't get charged. Got it. Sweet deal. This stuff is so easy and straight forward, I don't see why the community gets so upset.
I understand why the community gets so upset. I don't understand how burning chit down and looting assuages the anger?
... I agree I don't understand how burning down stuff in you own neighborhood helps at all. They should take the marshmallow roast to where the COPs who are killing them live. Would make a lot more sense.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:03 pm
Better than being dead.
Can get a job in another jurisdiction when this blows over.... maybe work for the state like a buddy of mine and his wife did. “Retired” cops that got on the state gravy train.
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action?
Because she was within 21 feet of a suspect. So she is trained (stupidly) that she is in mortal danger at that moment. And must defend herself with all necessary force. The biff of pulling the gun instead of the taser can happen. Multiple instances of that mistake being made by other cops.
The root cause/problem is that the cops are trained to escalate -- creating situations (unnecessarily) where weapons are drawn and life/death decisions have to be made. Once weapons are drawn, then the shirt gets real very fast.
It is like car chases.
Until recently, cops were trained to chase down fleeing suspects. Then people figured out that the car chases themselves were way too dangerous and were the problem that needed to be solved. Now, cops are banned from engaging in car chases in all but the most extreme circumstances (like a child kidnapping). Problem solved. There's a hundred easier/safer ways to deal with the suspect than a car chase -- and cops now use those easier/safer means.
The cops in Brooklyn and Windsor easily could have eased off and made everyone (including themselves) safer. But they are trained to always escalate and dominate any confrontation. Not trained to ask "do I need to be in this confrontation right now?" Add in the effects of racism and adrenaline, and we all see how these completely avoidable situations are not avoided.
Hey Brooklyn cops -- you got three officers on the scene vs. one suspect. How about someone bothers to close the forking car door after the kid gets out? Instead of leaving it open so the kid can hop back in? Stupid, sloppy and dumb.
... ok so I get it now. Not in any danger but within 21 feet = COP kills an unarmed (presumably) 20 year old and doesn't get charged. Got it. Sweet deal. This stuff is so easy and straight forward, I don't see why the community gets so upset.
I understand why the community gets so upset. I don't understand how burning chit down and looting assuages the anger?
... I agree I don't understand how burning down stuff in you own neighborhood helps at all. They should take the marshmallow roast to where the COPs who are killing them live. Would make a lot more sense.
Where do the cops live? Does the state of Minnesota have exclusive neighborhoods where the police live? I bet if that were to happen a whole lot neighborhood residents that own guns would take umbrage to people trying to burn their houses down.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
Bob Ross:
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action? Experienced, 48 years old (26 years on the force), exemplary COP, new officer trainer, Casket Honor Guard, ex-Police Union President, Prom Queen, 5th Grade Spelling Bee Champion, prettiest baby in the nursery.
She was scared and she panicked. In 26 years on the force how many times has she been in this situation? I have no idea. IMO today I don't know why anybody would want to be a cop.
... scared of what? When I originally saw the video and heard her Oh Sh*t exclamation, was not watching closely, mostly audio, it sounded like she was surprised when she shot him. Gave her the benefit of the doubt. I am now not so sure. Watching the video a few more times, I don't see what she is scared of, I don't understand the mistake, I don't understand the pulling of the trigger. A skinny black 20 year old, no weapon we know of, not attacking her -- nope don't see why taser or gun was needed at that point.
She was scared enough and stressed out enough she could not differentiate her tazer from her handgun. I'm not making excuses for her Doc. I have not seen the video and really do not want to. her actions and decision making will be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Her career and her life as she knew are as dead as the young man she shot. I would have expected better decision making from a veteran of the force of 26 years.
You say she is so scared she did this, that and the other. OK. You submit she is scared. Scared of WHAT??
Scared enough or untrained enough to differentiate her tazer from her sidearm. I'm guessing her sidearm is on her dominate side if she is right handed. That means her tazer would be on her left side. The investigation will determine what she did wrong. When your a veteran of 26 years you should not make a rookie mistake.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
Bob Ross:
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action?
Because she was within 21 feet of a suspect. So she is trained (stupidly) that she is in mortal danger at that moment. And must defend herself with all necessary force. The biff of pulling the gun instead of the taser can happen. Multiple instances of that mistake being made by other cops.
The root cause/problem is that the cops are trained to escalate -- creating situations (unnecessarily) where weapons are drawn and life/death decisions have to be made. Once weapons are drawn, then the shirt gets real very fast.
It is like car chases.
Until recently, cops were trained to chase down fleeing suspects. Then people figured out that the car chases themselves were way too dangerous and were the problem that needed to be solved. Now, cops are banned from engaging in car chases in all but the most extreme circumstances (like a child kidnapping). Problem solved. There's a hundred easier/safer ways to deal with the suspect than a car chase -- and cops now use those easier/safer means.
The cops in Brooklyn and Windsor easily could have eased off and made everyone (including themselves) safer. But they are trained to always escalate and dominate any confrontation. Not trained to ask "do I need to be in this confrontation right now?" Add in the effects of racism and adrenaline, and we all see how these completely avoidable situations are not avoided.
Hey Brooklyn cops -- you got three officers on the scene vs. one suspect. How about someone bothers to close the forking car door after the kid gets out? Instead of leaving it open so the kid can hop back in? Stupid, sloppy and dumb.
... ok so I get it now. Not in any danger but within 21 feet = COP kills an unarmed (presumably) 20 year old and doesn't get charged. Got it. Sweet deal. This stuff is so easy and straight forward, I don't see why the community gets so upset.
I understand why the community gets so upset. I don't understand how burning chit down and looting assuages the anger?
... I agree I don't understand how burning down stuff in you own neighborhood helps at all. They should take the marshmallow roast to where the COPs who are killing them live. Would make a lot more sense.
Where do the cops live? Does the state of
Minnesota have exclusive neighborhoods where the police live? I bet if that were to happen a whole lot neighborhood residents that own guns would take umbrage to people trying to burn their houses down.
What JHU is admitting is he doesn’t object to the looting at all.
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action? Experienced, 48 years old (26 years on the force), exemplary COP, new officer trainer, Casket Honor Guard, ex-Police Union President, Prom Queen, 5th Grade Spelling Bee Champion, prettiest baby in the nursery.
She was scared and she panicked. In 26 years on the force how many times has she been in this situation? I have no idea. IMO today I don't know why anybody would want to be a cop.
... scared of what? When I originally saw the video and heard her Oh Sh*t exclamation, was not watching closely, mostly audio, it sounded like she was surprised when she shot him. Gave her the benefit of the doubt. I am now not so sure. Watching the video a few more times, I don't see what she is scared of, I don't understand the mistake, I don't understand the pulling of the trigger. A skinny black 20 year old, no weapon we know of, not attacking her -- nope don't see why taser or gun was needed at that point.
She was scared enough and stressed out enough she could not differentiate her tazer from her handgun. I'm not making excuses for her Doc. I have not seen the video and really do not want to. her actions and decision making will be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Her career and her life as she knew are as dead as the young man she shot. I would have expected better decision making from a veteran of the force of 26 years.
You say she is so scared she did this, that and the other. OK. You submit she is scared. Scared of WHAT??
Scared enough or untrained enough to differentiate her tazer from her sidearm. I'm guessing her sidearm is on her dominate side if she is right handed. That means her tazer would be on her left side. The investigation will determine what she did wrong. When your a veteran of 26 years you should not make a rookie mistake.
Scared of what? Stop dodging the question. I assume you don't have answer.
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action?
Because she was within 21 feet of a suspect. So she is trained (stupidly) that she is in mortal danger at that moment. And must defend herself with all necessary force. The biff of pulling the gun instead of the taser can happen. Multiple instances of that mistake being made by other cops.
The root cause/problem is that the cops are trained to escalate -- creating situations (unnecessarily) where weapons are drawn and life/death decisions have to be made. Once weapons are drawn, then the shirt gets real very fast.
It is like car chases.
Until recently, cops were trained to chase down fleeing suspects. Then people figured out that the car chases themselves were way too dangerous and were the problem that needed to be solved. Now, cops are banned from engaging in car chases in all but the most extreme circumstances (like a child kidnapping). Problem solved. There's a hundred easier/safer ways to deal with the suspect than a car chase -- and cops now use those easier/safer means.
The cops in Brooklyn and Windsor easily could have eased off and made everyone (including themselves) safer. But they are trained to always escalate and dominate any confrontation. Not trained to ask "do I need to be in this confrontation right now?" Add in the effects of racism and adrenaline, and we all see how these completely avoidable situations are not avoided.
Hey Brooklyn cops -- you got three officers on the scene vs. one suspect. How about someone bothers to close the forking car door after the kid gets out? Instead of leaving it open so the kid can hop back in? Stupid, sloppy and dumb.
... ok so I get it now. Not in any danger but within 21 feet = COP kills an unarmed (presumably) 20 year old and doesn't get charged. Got it. Sweet deal. This stuff is so easy and straight forward, I don't see why the community gets so upset.
I understand why the community gets so upset. I don't understand how burning chit down and looting assuages the anger?
... I agree I don't understand how burning down stuff in you own neighborhood helps at all. They should take the marshmallow roast to where the COPs who are killing them live. Would make a lot more sense.
Where do the cops live? Does the state of
Minnesota have exclusive neighborhoods where the police live? I bet if that were to happen a whole lot neighborhood residents that own guns would take umbrage to people trying to burn their houses down.
What JHU is admitting is he doesn’t object to the looting at all.
... no such admission Goebbels. As usual you have your head up your ass. If someone is killing you, your family, your community, repeatedly, year after year why should you take it? C&S has already said he would get his gun and take umbrage, a perfectly human reaction. You got any balls? Somebody killing you and yours year after year after year - your just going to sit back and take it dumb ass?
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action? Experienced, 48 years old (26 years on the force), exemplary COP, new officer trainer, Casket Honor Guard, ex-Police Union President, Prom Queen, 5th Grade Spelling Bee Champion, prettiest baby in the nursery.
She was scared and she panicked. In 26 years on the force how many times has she been in this situation? I have no idea. IMO today I don't know why anybody would want to be a cop.
... scared of what? When I originally saw the video and heard her Oh Sh*t exclamation, was not watching closely, mostly audio, it sounded like she was surprised when she shot him. Gave her the benefit of the doubt. I am now not so sure. Watching the video a few more times, I don't see what she is scared of, I don't understand the mistake, I don't understand the pulling of the trigger. A skinny black 20 year old, no weapon we know of, not attacking her -- nope don't see why taser or gun was needed at that point.
She was scared enough and stressed out enough she could not differentiate her tazer from her handgun. I'm not making excuses for her Doc. I have not seen the video and really do not want to. her actions and decision making will be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Her career and her life as she knew are as dead as the young man she shot. I would have expected better decision making from a veteran of the force of 26 years.
You say she is so scared she did this, that and the other. OK. You submit she is scared. Scared of WHAT??
Scared enough or untrained enough to differentiate her tazer from her sidearm. I'm guessing her sidearm is on her dominate side if she is right handed. That means her tazer would be on her left side. The investigation will determine what she did wrong. When your a veteran of 26 years you should not make a rookie mistake.
Scared of what? Stop dodging the question. I assume you don't have answer.
I answered it for you Doc. Did you leave your thinking cap at the office today?I am only guessing how she must have felt Doc. She found herself involved in a struggle with a suspect who from what I read began to struggle and resist. I have been in more than my share of dust ups with people as a young in. I was always scared. Scared the other guy would beat my ass. When your scared enough the adrenaline kicks in and you don't let that happen happen. Being scared can be a very good thing or a very bad thing. I suppose Doc there is a possibility I have not thought about... The cop is just an idiot. Or maybe she was just bored and felt like shooting somebody that day. I guess it is fair to leave all the options open for discussion.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
Bob Ross:
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:03 pm
Better than being dead.
Can get a job in another jurisdiction when this blows over.... maybe work for the state like a buddy of mine and his wife did. “Retired” cops that got on the state gravy train.
Can still have dreams and opportunities. More importantly consciousness which is the freest thing we have
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action? Experienced, 48 years old (26 years on the force), exemplary COP, new officer trainer, Casket Honor Guard, ex-Police Union President, Prom Queen, 5th Grade Spelling Bee Champion, prettiest baby in the nursery.
She was scared and she panicked. In 26 years on the force how many times has she been in this situation? I have no idea. IMO today I don't know why anybody would want to be a cop.
... scared of what? When I originally saw the video and heard her Oh Sh*t exclamation, was not watching closely, mostly audio, it sounded like she was surprised when she shot him. Gave her the benefit of the doubt. I am now not so sure. Watching the video a few more times, I don't see what she is scared of, I don't understand the mistake, I don't understand the pulling of the trigger. A skinny black 20 year old, no weapon we know of, not attacking her -- nope don't see why taser or gun was needed at that point.
She was scared enough and stressed out enough she could not differentiate her tazer from her handgun. I'm not making excuses for her Doc. I have not seen the video and really do not want to. her actions and decision making will be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Her career and her life as she knew are as dead as the young man she shot. I would have expected better decision making from a veteran of the force of 26 years.
You say she is so scared she did this, that and the other. OK. You submit she is scared. Scared of WHAT??
Scared enough or untrained enough to differentiate her tazer from her sidearm. I'm guessing her sidearm is on her dominate side if she is right handed. That means her tazer would be on her left side. The investigation will determine what she did wrong. When your a veteran of 26 years you should not make a rookie mistake.
Scared of what? Stop dodging the question. I assume you don't have answer.
I answered it for you Doc. Did you leave your thinking cap at the office today?I am only guessing how she must have felt Doc. She found herself involved in a struggle with a suspect who from what I read began to struggle and resist. I have been in more than my share of dust ups with people as a young in. I was always scared. Scared the other guy would beat my ass. When your scared enough the adrenaline kicks in and you don't let that happen happen. Being scared can be a very good thing or a very bad thing. I suppose Doc there is a possibility I have not thought about... The cop is just an idiot. Or maybe she was just bored and felt like shooting somebody that day. I guess it is fair to leave all the options open for discussion.
... the non-specific struggle is not very convincing. I didn't see any struggle she didn't initiate.
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What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action?
Because she was within 21 feet of a suspect. So she is trained (stupidly) that she is in mortal danger at that moment. And must defend herself with all necessary force. The biff of pulling the gun instead of the taser can happen. Multiple instances of that mistake being made by other cops.
The root cause/problem is that the cops are trained to escalate -- creating situations (unnecessarily) where weapons are drawn and life/death decisions have to be made. Once weapons are drawn, then the shirt gets real very fast.
It is like car chases.
Until recently, cops were trained to chase down fleeing suspects. Then people figured out that the car chases themselves were way too dangerous and were the problem that needed to be solved. Now, cops are banned from engaging in car chases in all but the most extreme circumstances (like a child kidnapping). Problem solved. There's a hundred easier/safer ways to deal with the suspect than a car chase -- and cops now use those easier/safer means.
The cops in Brooklyn and Windsor easily could have eased off and made everyone (including themselves) safer. But they are trained to always escalate and dominate any confrontation. Not trained to ask "do I need to be in this confrontation right now?" Add in the effects of racism and adrenaline, and we all see how these completely avoidable situations are not avoided.
Hey Brooklyn cops -- you got three officers on the scene vs. one suspect. How about someone bothers to close the forking car door after the kid gets out? Instead of leaving it open so the kid can hop back in? Stupid, sloppy and dumb.
... ok so I get it now. Not in any danger but within 21 feet = COP kills an unarmed (presumably) 20 year old and doesn't get charged. Got it. Sweet deal. This stuff is so easy and straight forward, I don't see why the community gets so upset.
I understand why the community gets so upset. I don't understand how burning chit down and looting assuages the anger?
... I agree I don't understand how burning down stuff in you own neighborhood helps at all. They should take the marshmallow roast to where the COPs who are killing them live. Would make a lot more sense.
Where do the cops live? Does the state of
Minnesota have exclusive neighborhoods where the police live? I bet if that were to happen a whole lot neighborhood residents that own guns would take umbrage to people trying to burn their houses down.
What JHU is admitting is he doesn’t object to the looting at all.
... no such admission Goebbels. As usual you have your head up your ass. If someone is killing you, your family, your community, repeatedly, year after year why should you take it? C&S has already said he would get his gun and take umbrage, a perfectly human reaction. You got any balls? Somebody killing you and yours year after year after year - your just going to sit back and take it dumb ass?
I guess I should loot too since even more whites were killed by police every year since, well, forever?
The point is there is no epidemic. Lefty birdbrains are so easy to get riled up over meaningless statistics. CNN and MSNBC must laugh at their audience.
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action? Experienced, 48 years old (26 years on the force), exemplary COP, new officer trainer, Casket Honor Guard, ex-Police Union President, Prom Queen, 5th Grade Spelling Bee Champion, prettiest baby in the nursery.
She was scared and she panicked. In 26 years on the force how many times has she been in this situation? I have no idea. IMO today I don't know why anybody would want to be a cop.
... scared of what? When I originally saw the video and heard her Oh Sh*t exclamation, was not watching closely, mostly audio, it sounded like she was surprised when she shot him. Gave her the benefit of the doubt. I am now not so sure. Watching the video a few more times, I don't see what she is scared of, I don't understand the mistake, I don't understand the pulling of the trigger. A skinny black 20 year old, no weapon we know of, not attacking her -- nope don't see why taser or gun was needed at that point.
She was scared enough and stressed out enough she could not differentiate her tazer from her handgun. I'm not making excuses for her Doc. I have not seen the video and really do not want to. her actions and decision making will be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Her career and her life as she knew are as dead as the young man she shot. I would have expected better decision making from a veteran of the force of 26 years.
You say she is so scared she did this, that and the other. OK. You submit she is scared. Scared of WHAT??
Scared enough or untrained enough to differentiate her tazer from her sidearm. I'm guessing her sidearm is on her dominate side if she is right handed. That means her tazer would be on her left side. The investigation will determine what she did wrong. When your a veteran of 26 years you should not make a rookie mistake.
Scared of what? Stop dodging the question. I assume you don't have answer.
I answered it for you Doc. Did you leave your thinking cap at the office today?I am only guessing how she must have felt Doc. She found herself involved in a struggle with a suspect who from what I read began to struggle and resist. I have been in more than my share of dust ups with people as a young in. I was always scared. Scared the other guy would beat my ass. When your scared enough the adrenaline kicks in and you don't let that happen happen. Being scared can be a very good thing or a very bad thing. I suppose Doc there is a possibility I have not thought about... The cop is just an idiot. Or maybe she was just bored and felt like shooting somebody that day. I guess it is fair to leave all the options open for discussion.
... the non-specific struggle is not very convincing. I didn't she any struggle she didn't initiate.
The only brief clip I saw this morning shows the young man jumping back into what i believe his car. The female officer starts shout tazer and then shoots the kid. I have no explanation other than she became scared and panicked. If you have any better conclusions please share them. I just freaking don't know what the officer was thinking. The entire very sad episode just makes no sense to me. Any rational person would not expect such a foolish mistake from a police officer with 26 years of experience.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
Bob Ross:
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action?
Because she was within 21 feet of a suspect. So she is trained (stupidly) that she is in mortal danger at that moment. And must defend herself with all necessary force. The biff of pulling the gun instead of the taser can happen. Multiple instances of that mistake being made by other cops.
The root cause/problem is that the cops are trained to escalate -- creating situations (unnecessarily) where weapons are drawn and life/death decisions have to be made. Once weapons are drawn, then the shirt gets real very fast.
It is like car chases.
Until recently, cops were trained to chase down fleeing suspects. Then people figured out that the car chases themselves were way too dangerous and were the problem that needed to be solved. Now, cops are banned from engaging in car chases in all but the most extreme circumstances (like a child kidnapping). Problem solved. There's a hundred easier/safer ways to deal with the suspect than a car chase -- and cops now use those easier/safer means.
The cops in Brooklyn and Windsor easily could have eased off and made everyone (including themselves) safer. But they are trained to always escalate and dominate any confrontation. Not trained to ask "do I need to be in this confrontation right now?" Add in the effects of racism and adrenaline, and we all see how these completely avoidable situations are not avoided.
Hey Brooklyn cops -- you got three officers on the scene vs. one suspect. How about someone bothers to close the forking car door after the kid gets out? Instead of leaving it open so the kid can hop back in? Stupid, sloppy and dumb.
... ok so I get it now. Not in any danger but within 21 feet = COP kills an unarmed (presumably) 20 year old and doesn't get charged. Got it. Sweet deal. This stuff is so easy and straight forward, I don't see why the community gets so upset.
I understand why the community gets so upset. I don't understand how burning chit down and looting assuages the anger?
... I agree I don't understand how burning down stuff in you own neighborhood helps at all. They should take the marshmallow roast to where the COPs who are killing them live. Would make a lot more sense.
Where do the cops live? Does the state of
Minnesota have exclusive neighborhoods where the police live? I bet if that were to happen a whole lot neighborhood residents that own guns would take umbrage to people trying to burn their houses down.
What JHU is admitting is he doesn’t object to the looting at all.
... no such admission Goebbels. As usual you have your head up your ass. If someone is killing you, your family, your community, repeatedly, year after year why should you take it? C&S has already said he would get his gun and take umbrage, a perfectly human reaction. You got any balls? Somebody killing you and yours year after year after year - your just going to sit back and take it dumb ass?
I guess I should loot too since even more whites were killed by police every year since, well, forever?
The point is there is no epidemic. Lefty birdbrains are so easy to get riled up over meaningless statistics. CNN and MSNBC must laugh at their audience.
... they do kill whites as well, and many of those incidents are just as outrageous, but you seem to be ok with that. There is a bad policing epidemic and it has been going on for decades. Generally well off white males don't notice it, or don't want to I guess.
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action? Experienced, 48 years old (26 years on the force), exemplary COP, new officer trainer, Casket Honor Guard, ex-Police Union President, Prom Queen, 5th Grade Spelling Bee Champion, prettiest baby in the nursery.
She was scared and she panicked. In 26 years on the force how many times has she been in this situation? I have no idea. IMO today I don't know why anybody would want to be a cop.
... scared of what? When I originally saw the video and heard her Oh Sh*t exclamation, was not watching closely, mostly audio, it sounded like she was surprised when she shot him. Gave her the benefit of the doubt. I am now not so sure. Watching the video a few more times, I don't see what she is scared of, I don't understand the mistake, I don't understand the pulling of the trigger. A skinny black 20 year old, no weapon we know of, not attacking her -- nope don't see why taser or gun was needed at that point.
She was scared enough and stressed out enough she could not differentiate her tazer from her handgun. I'm not making excuses for her Doc. I have not seen the video and really do not want to. her actions and decision making will be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Her career and her life as she knew are as dead as the young man she shot. I would have expected better decision making from a veteran of the force of 26 years.
You say she is so scared she did this, that and the other. OK. You submit she is scared. Scared of WHAT??
Scared enough or untrained enough to differentiate her tazer from her sidearm. I'm guessing her sidearm is on her dominate side if she is right handed. That means her tazer would be on her left side. The investigation will determine what she did wrong. When your a veteran of 26 years you should not make a rookie mistake.
Scared of what? Stop dodging the question. I assume you don't have answer.
I answered it for you Doc. Did you leave your thinking cap at the office today?I am only guessing how she must have felt Doc. She found herself involved in a struggle with a suspect who from what I read began to struggle and resist. I have been in more than my share of dust ups with people as a young in. I was always scared. Scared the other guy would beat my ass. When your scared enough the adrenaline kicks in and you don't let that happen happen. Being scared can be a very good thing or a very bad thing. I suppose Doc there is a possibility I have not thought about... The cop is just an idiot. Or maybe she was just bored and felt like shooting somebody that day. I guess it is fair to leave all the options open for discussion.
... the non-specific struggle is not very convincing. I didn't she any struggle she didn't initiate.
The only brief clip I saw this morning shows the young man jumping back into what i believe his car. The female officer starts shout tazer and then shoots the kid. I have no explanation other than she became scared and panicked. If you have any better conclusions please share them. I just freaking don't know what the officer was thinking. The entire very sad episode just makes no sense to me. Any rational person would not expect such a foolish mistake from a police officer with 26 years of experience.
Police are not trained to say: “hey you’re under arrest but feel free to drive away, I actually am not allowed to arrest you even if you have an outstanding warrant on a gun charge”.
Young men with warrants now feel emboldened to roll the dice and flee, because lefty media will whitewash their life of violent crime (‘he’s a mommas boy’, dontcha know!) and pile drive any cop for any shooting almost regardless of circumstances.
Any half sentient human can see she made a mistake and knew it right away. Libs ain’t about forgiveness in the day of cancel culture.
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action?
Because she was within 21 feet of a suspect. So she is trained (stupidly) that she is in mortal danger at that moment. And must defend herself with all necessary force. The biff of pulling the gun instead of the taser can happen. Multiple instances of that mistake being made by other cops.
The root cause/problem is that the cops are trained to escalate -- creating situations (unnecessarily) where weapons are drawn and life/death decisions have to be made. Once weapons are drawn, then the shirt gets real very fast.
It is like car chases.
Until recently, cops were trained to chase down fleeing suspects. Then people figured out that the car chases themselves were way too dangerous and were the problem that needed to be solved. Now, cops are banned from engaging in car chases in all but the most extreme circumstances (like a child kidnapping). Problem solved. There's a hundred easier/safer ways to deal with the suspect than a car chase -- and cops now use those easier/safer means.
The cops in Brooklyn and Windsor easily could have eased off and made everyone (including themselves) safer. But they are trained to always escalate and dominate any confrontation. Not trained to ask "do I need to be in this confrontation right now?" Add in the effects of racism and adrenaline, and we all see how these completely avoidable situations are not avoided.
Hey Brooklyn cops -- you got three officers on the scene vs. one suspect. How about someone bothers to close the forking car door after the kid gets out? Instead of leaving it open so the kid can hop back in? Stupid, sloppy and dumb.
... ok so I get it now. Not in any danger but within 21 feet = COP kills an unarmed (presumably) 20 year old and doesn't get charged. Got it. Sweet deal. This stuff is so easy and straight forward, I don't see why the community gets so upset.
I understand why the community gets so upset. I don't understand how burning chit down and looting assuages the anger?
... I agree I don't understand how burning down stuff in you own neighborhood helps at all. They should take the marshmallow roast to where the COPs who are killing them live. Would make a lot more sense.
Where do the cops live? Does the state of
Minnesota have exclusive neighborhoods where the police live? I bet if that were to happen a whole lot neighborhood residents that own guns would take umbrage to people trying to burn their houses down.
What JHU is admitting is he doesn’t object to the looting at all.
... no such admission Goebbels. As usual you have your head up your ass. If someone is killing you, your family, your community, repeatedly, year after year why should you take it? C&S has already said he would get his gun and take umbrage, a perfectly human reaction. You got any balls? Somebody killing you and yours year after year after year - your just going to sit back and take it dumb ass?
I guess I should loot too since even more whites were killed by police every year since, well, forever?
The point is there is no epidemic. Lefty birdbrains are so easy to get riled up over meaningless statistics. CNN and MSNBC must laugh at their audience.
... they do kill whites as well, and many of those incidents are just as outrageous, but you seem to be ok with that. There is a bad policing epidemic and it has been going on for decades. Generally well off white males don't notice it, or don't want to I guess.
Most police shootings are indeed justified and most of their victims are straight up animals. You’ve never dealt with any so it’s likely you have no clue what they deal with every day.
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What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action? Experienced, 48 years old (26 years on the force), exemplary COP, new officer trainer, Casket Honor Guard, ex-Police Union President, Prom Queen, 5th Grade Spelling Bee Champion, prettiest baby in the nursery.
She was scared and she panicked. In 26 years on the force how many times has she been in this situation? I have no idea. IMO today I don't know why anybody would want to be a cop.
... scared of what? When I originally saw the video and heard her Oh Sh*t exclamation, was not watching closely, mostly audio, it sounded like she was surprised when she shot him. Gave her the benefit of the doubt. I am now not so sure. Watching the video a few more times, I don't see what she is scared of, I don't understand the mistake, I don't understand the pulling of the trigger. A skinny black 20 year old, no weapon we know of, not attacking her -- nope don't see why taser or gun was needed at that point.
She was scared enough and stressed out enough she could not differentiate her tazer from her handgun. I'm not making excuses for her Doc. I have not seen the video and really do not want to. her actions and decision making will be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Her career and her life as she knew are as dead as the young man she shot. I would have expected better decision making from a veteran of the force of 26 years.
You say she is so scared she did this, that and the other. OK. You submit she is scared. Scared of WHAT??
Scared enough or untrained enough to differentiate her tazer from her sidearm. I'm guessing her sidearm is on her dominate side if she is right handed. That means her tazer would be on her left side. The investigation will determine what she did wrong. When your a veteran of 26 years you should not make a rookie mistake.
Scared of what? Stop dodging the question. I assume you don't have answer.
I answered it for you Doc. Did you leave your thinking cap at the office today?I am only guessing how she must have felt Doc. She found herself involved in a struggle with a suspect who from what I read began to struggle and resist. I have been in more than my share of dust ups with people as a young in. I was always scared. Scared the other guy would beat my ass. When your scared enough the adrenaline kicks in and you don't let that happen happen. Being scared can be a very good thing or a very bad thing. I suppose Doc there is a possibility I have not thought about... The cop is just an idiot. Or maybe she was just bored and felt like shooting somebody that day. I guess it is fair to leave all the options open for discussion.
... the non-specific struggle is not very convincing. I didn't she any struggle she didn't initiate.
The only brief clip I saw this morning shows the young man jumping back into what i believe his car. The female officer starts shout tazer and then shoots the kid. I have no explanation other than she became scared and panicked. If you have any better conclusions please share them. I just freaking don't know what the officer was thinking. The entire very sad episode just makes no sense to me. Any rational person would not expect such a foolish mistake from a police officer with 26 years of experience.
... I have no answer either that makes any sense in the real world. We will see if he had a weapon, but the fact that none has been mentioned by now, makes it unlikely. When someone dies by homicide (ME has already declared it so) the human community should have a satisfactory answer. The answer we are going to be left with, like so many of these cases is "the law makes no sense", "it does not serve the community", a human died, we know who and how, but never why, other than we have been poorly served by out own laws. This kid should not be dead.
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action? Experienced, 48 years old (26 years on the force), exemplary COP, new officer trainer, Casket Honor Guard, ex-Police Union President, Prom Queen, 5th Grade Spelling Bee Champion, prettiest baby in the nursery.
She was scared and she panicked. In 26 years on the force how many times has she been in this situation? I have no idea. IMO today I don't know why anybody would want to be a cop.
... scared of what? When I originally saw the video and heard her Oh Sh*t exclamation, was not watching closely, mostly audio, it sounded like she was surprised when she shot him. Gave her the benefit of the doubt. I am now not so sure. Watching the video a few more times, I don't see what she is scared of, I don't understand the mistake, I don't understand the pulling of the trigger. A skinny black 20 year old, no weapon we know of, not attacking her -- nope don't see why taser or gun was needed at that point.
She was scared enough and stressed out enough she could not differentiate her tazer from her handgun. I'm not making excuses for her Doc. I have not seen the video and really do not want to. her actions and decision making will be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Her career and her life as she knew are as dead as the young man she shot. I would have expected better decision making from a veteran of the force of 26 years.
You say she is so scared she did this, that and the other. OK. You submit she is scared. Scared of WHAT??
Scared enough or untrained enough to differentiate her tazer from her sidearm. I'm guessing her sidearm is on her dominate side if she is right handed. That means her tazer would be on her left side. The investigation will determine what she did wrong. When your a veteran of 26 years you should not make a rookie mistake.
Scared of what? Stop dodging the question. I assume you don't have answer.
I answered it for you Doc. Did you leave your thinking cap at the office today?I am only guessing how she must have felt Doc. She found herself involved in a struggle with a suspect who from what I read began to struggle and resist. I have been in more than my share of dust ups with people as a young in. I was always scared. Scared the other guy would beat my ass. When your scared enough the adrenaline kicks in and you don't let that happen happen. Being scared can be a very good thing or a very bad thing. I suppose Doc there is a possibility I have not thought about... The cop is just an idiot. Or maybe she was just bored and felt like shooting somebody that day. I guess it is fair to leave all the options open for discussion.
... the non-specific struggle is not very convincing. I didn't she any struggle she didn't initiate.
The only brief clip I saw this morning shows the young man jumping back into what i believe his car. The female officer starts shout tazer and then shoots the kid. I have no explanation other than she became scared and panicked. If you have any better conclusions please share them. I just freaking don't know what the officer was thinking. The entire very sad episode just makes no sense to me. Any rational person would not expect such a foolish mistake from a police officer with 26 years of experience.
... I have no answer either that makes any sense in the real world. We will see if he had a weapon, but the fact that none has been mentioned by now, makes it unlikely. When someone dies by homicide (ME has already declared it so) the human community should have a satisfactory answer. The answer we are going to be left with, like so many of these cases is "the law makes no sense", "it does not serve the community", a human died, we know who and how, but never why, other than we have been poorly served by out own laws. This kid should not be dead.
I agree with you a 100 percent. This young man should not be dead. This type of ineptitude from an experienced police officer is unacceptable. She had 26 years of experience...it sure did not show that day.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
Bob Ross:
Right. He shouldn't be dead. From the you cannot make this stuff up files - The reason he did not show up for the misdemeanor hearing is because the State of Minnesota sent the hearing notice to the WRONG ADDRESS. Thus, he never received the notice to appear and when he failed to show up they issued the warrant. Likely, he would have discovered this when he got to the police station had they not shot and killed him in his car first.
