Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:40 am
Anyone who sees the video and listens to the audio will recognize this officer made a tragic mistake. Democrats on the other hand need to stoke their base with more idiocy, so they won’t admit what everyone realizes, she made a mistake thinking she had her taser in her hand.
Okay, Petey, she made a mistake. So what to do now, say oooooooppppps and send the family your condolences?
Maybe if there weren't so many mistakes like a knee on the neck for too long, a kid shot and killed who had a toy gun, an Army guy pepper sprayed and kneed in the ribs because the cop mistakenly missed his temporary plate, a guy selling loosies mistakenly choked too long....ets, etc, people wouldn't be as angry as they are.
You understand how these kind of mistakes would tend to get some a little riled up?
What's a mistake is hiring people like this and giving them the authority to lie, harass,
and treat people like dogs....and you will defend people like this. What a good American
you are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmPyMPdCg4A
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:40 am
Anyone who sees the video and listens to the audio will recognize this officer made a tragic mistake. Democrats on the other hand need to stoke their base with more idiocy, so they won’t admit what everyone realizes, she made a mistake thinking she had her taser in her hand.
Okay, Petey, she made a mistake. So what to do now, say oooooooppppps and send the family your condolences?
Maybe if there weren't so many mistakes like a knee on the neck for too long, a kid shot and killed who had a toy gun, an Army guy pepper sprayed and kneed in the ribs because the cop mistakenly missed his temporary plate, a guy selling loosies mistakenly choked too long....ets, etc, people wouldn't be as angry as they are.
You understand how these kind of mistakes would tend to get some a little riled up?
What's a mistake is hiring people like this and giving them the authority lie, harass,
and treat people like dogs....and you will defend people like this. What a good American
you are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmPyMPdCg4A
So she pays the price for others as well? Would you be happy if you made a mistake and everyone screamed for your head because you had the same skin color of others who had made similar mistake?
She’s been a cop for 20+ years, apparently flawlessly. But you and others want to roast her to the point where she commits suicide.
This isn’t Michael Slager v.2.0. But you guys insist on it every single time. All because of politics.
26 years in the force, you would think she knew her stuff - well, to killer cops all they know is how to kill and don't give a schitt about anything else. Luckily for her, she has enough years to retire and will soon be enjoying her pension as taxpayers fork over a few millions.
Ok, on this one, I don't think you're being entirely fair. Looks to me like it was a tragic error, not remotely an intention to kill. (That said, ignore the troll).
That said, it looks like not only an immensely tragic mistake, the taser effort looks extreme to begin with, and that's where the race aspect comes into play...the perception that a male of color is automatically assumed to be of deadly high risk, far higher than the reality. She sounds panicked when she really did not need to be. And the intensity of the stop to begin with wasn't called for.
The situation called for deescalation, if a stop at all. Instead it was menacing approach, then an escalation upon realizing he had an outstanding warrant, (for a misdemeanor violation, non-violent). Again, this could/should have been way differently handled. Then the panic when he struggled at being handcuffed.
Very, very tragic. And absolutely a systemic failure.
But I don't think "killer cop" is the right term.
I'm fine with her being fired. Don't see any alternative to this sort of "error" regardless of intent.
I'd need to see more intent before concluding any sort of criminal prosecution is warranted, though.
Financial liability absolutely.
You're grasping at straws, Petey. This isn't about one incident, my friend, and yeah, she probably will pay the price for this mistake and the color of her skin will be a factor in that just as it so often is when a black person, like the kid in the video (which I'm sure you didn't watch), gets pulled over by a condescending prikk who has no business wearing a badge and carrying a gun. Your kind of folks though.
DMac wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:20 am
You're grasping at straws, Petey. This isn't about one incident, my friend, and yeah, she probably will pay the price for this mistake and the color of her skin will be a factor in that just as it so often is when a black person, like the kid in the video (which I'm sure you didn't watch), gets pulled over by a condescending stick who has no business wearing a badge and carrying a gun. Your kind of folks though.
Already commented on that Virginia cop. He’s a rogue power mad fatso with a stache. Duly fired. Agree.
I don’t judge anyone by skin color. That’s a Democrat deal.
DMac wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:20 am
You're grasping at straws, Petey. This isn't about one incident, my friend, and yeah, she probably will pay the price for this mistake and the color of her skin will be a factor in that just as it so often is when a black person, like the kid in the video (which I'm sure you didn't watch), gets pulled over by a condescending prikk who has no business wearing a badge and carrying a gun. Your kind of folks though.
+1
You and I have been on the same sheet of music since forever. This is not just a problem effecting people of color, they get the worst of it. This is an arrogant, "better to be a hammer than a nail", COP attitude problem. The vast majority of the problem.
The women COP who killed Wright may just be a case of incompetence, can't judge her attitude with so little data. But it's two sides of the same coin. Picking the wrong people for the job.
DMac wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:39 am
That's not the video I posted...take a look at, THIS is the problem...condescending priccks who shouldn't be cops and escalate situations.
I watched it. It’s awful. I think however the answer is far more complex than ‘cops are racist’.
I can think of one law I’d get rid of tomorrow which encourages police abuse: civil asset forfeiture. As i was watching your video, the whole time I’m thinking this cop is desperate to find money or anything to seize the car.
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Yesterday, at about 2:00 in the afternoon, a white police officer in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, shot and killed 20-year-old Daunte Wright, a Black man, after what seems to have been a routine traffic stop turned up an arrest warrant. Today, the Brooklyn Center police chief told reporters that the arresting officer intended to fire her Taser at Wright, but instead fired her gun.
Wright’s death took place about ten miles from where Derek Chauvin is on trial for killing George Floyd in Minneapolis last May. Then a police officer, Chauvin knelt on Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds while bystanders implored him to stop. Chauvin, a white officer, was arresting Floyd, a Black man, on suspicion of using a counterfeit bill.
In the three weeks of Chauvin’s trial, the former officer’s defenders have noted that there was fentanyl in Floyd’s blood, and suggested he expired not because of the knee on his neck but because he abused opioids. After Wright’s death, those defending the police officer who shot him argued that Wright had brought the deadly outcome on himself by resisting arrest.
But here’s the thing: Mr. Floyd and Mr. Wright are not on trial. Whether they abused drugs, or passed bad bills, or did something that warranted arrest, or did all of those things or none of them simply does not matter. They are not on trial.
What is on trial is the fundamental American principle of equality before the law. Our law enforcement officers are supposed to use the force of the state to deliver suspected lawbreakers to our criminal justice system. And yet, in both of these cases—and so many others in which a Black person has died at the hands of police—the officers apparently killed suspected offenders instead of delivering them to the legal system guaranteed under our Constitution. Individual police officers appear to have taken the law into their own hands and become judge, jury, and executioner.
Either Floyd and Wright had the right to due legal process, or police officers could condemn them to death without the due process of the law. If the former, it is imperative to defend the principle of equality before the law against those who would undermine that principle. If the latter, Floyd and Wright are not equal to white Americans, and we need to revisit exactly what sort of government we have.
On this day in 1861, Confederate forces fired on Fort Sumter, the United States fort located in Charleston Harbor, launching a Civil War that would take more than 600,000 lives and cost the United States more than $5 billion. The leaders of the Confederate States of America believed that the government of the United States of America had a fatal flaw: it declared that all men were created equal.
The men who framed the Constitution had made the terrible error of believing in equality, Georgia’s Alexander Stephens, the newly-elected vice president of the Confederacy, told a crowd on March 21, 1861. Northerners, he said, stupidly clung to the outdated idea that “the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man.”
In contrast to the United States government,” Stephens said, “the Confederate government rested on the “great truth” that “the negro is not equal to the white man; that… subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition.” Stephens told listeners that the Confederate government “is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”
Abraham Lincoln rejected this radical attempt to destroy the principles of the Declaration of Independence. He understood that it was not just Black rights at stake, but also democracy. Arguments like that of Stephens, that some men were better than others, “are the arguments that kings have made for enslaving the people in all ages of the world,” Lincoln said. “You will find that all the arguments in favor of king-craft were of this class; they always bestrode the necks of the people, not that they wanted to do it, but because the people were better off for being ridden…. Turn in whatever way you will—whether it come from the mouth of a King, an excuse for enslaving the people of his country, or from the mouth of men of one race as a reason for enslaving the men of another race, it is all the same old serpent….”
Lincoln warned that “it does not stop with the negro. I should like to know if taking this old Declaration of Independence, which declares that all men are equal upon principle and making exceptions to it where will it stop. If one man says it does not mean a negro, why not another say it does not mean some other man?” He told an audience in Chicago, Illinois, that Americans must stand with the Declaration of Independence or, he said, “If that declaration is not the truth, let us get the Statute book, in which we find it and tear it out!”
“NO! NO!” his audience cried. And when the Confederates fired on Fort Sumter, they took up arms to defend their government.
Almost four years to the day after the firing on Fort Sumter, Confederate General Robert E. Lee surrendered his Army of Northern Virginia, marking the defeat of the Confederacy and its attempt to create a nation in which some people were better than others.
And yet, on January 6, 2021, insurrectionists brandished the Confederate battle flag in the U.S. Capitol.
by cradleandshoot » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:57 am Mr moderator, deactivate my account. You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy. This is cradle and shoot signing out.
Yeah, I'm sure that if he was your son you'd be equally forgiving.
The fact you birdbrains don’t have the stones to admit what is eminently true tells anyone else you’re not a serious player in any debate.
Most issues require far more nuance than what the Left wants. The only issue I know that is so clean is Democrats are bozos with a communist itch they love to scratch every day; that claim is indeed back and white.
Almost any other topic requires far more inspection. Democrats have pushed bs asset forfeiture laws for decades to pad the gubmint’s spending. Like every harebrained idea from the Left, it’s both an abuse of civil liberties as well as mostly harming the poor. But you can’t spend two seconds questioning why these police abuses occur, preferring to think cops are racist, when in fact very few are.
26 years in the force, you would think she knew her stuff - well, to killer cops all they know is how to kill and don't give a schitt about anything else. Luckily for her, she has enough years to retire and will soon be enjoying her pension as taxpayers fork over a few millions.
Ok, on this one, I don't think you're being entirely fair. Looks to me like it was a tragic error, not remotely an intention to kill. (That said, ignore the troll).
That said, it looks like not only an immensely tragic mistake, the taser effort looks extreme to begin with, and that's where the race aspect comes into play...the perception that a male of color is automatically assumed to be of deadly high risk, far higher than the reality. She sounds panicked when she really did not need to be. And the intensity of the stop to begin with wasn't called for.
The situation called for deescalation, if a stop at all. Instead it was menacing approach, then an escalation upon realizing he had an outstanding warrant, (for a misdemeanor violation, non-violent). Again, this could/should have been way differently handled. Then the panic when he struggled at being handcuffed.
Very, very tragic. And absolutely a systemic failure.
But I don't think "killer cop" is the right term.
I'm fine with her being fired. Don't see any alternative to this sort of "error" regardless of intent.
I'd need to see more intent before concluding any sort of criminal prosecution is warranted, though.
Financial liability absolutely.
Salty's "mixed race" BS is predictable.
Again, what so many people fail to understand is that this guy had been white (especially a white female) there would not have been a police stoppage in the first place. That while selective enforcement of the law is a national problem, it is an especially acute problem here in the Twinkies. Accident? Possibly? But one that did not have to happen.
A black cop named Mohamed Noor was convicted of murder even though his killing of a white woman in Minneapolis was an accident. Noor claimed self defense but was still convicted (the incident was in the middle of the night where there was no visibility and he mistook a cellphone for a weapon). Back then there was talk had it been a white accidentally killing a black man, there would have been no trial:
The city paid her family over $20 million. Black men have been killed by cops intentionally and their families have gotten only a fraction of that amount of money.
People here in the Twinkies have tried IN VAIN for years to create change but it is the Repukeblicans who refuse to impose that reform as I have proven previously on this forum. So yes, it is a systemic failure as you say. One caused by the bigoted right wing, not by anyone else.
As for the troll, no, I won't ignore him as I enjoy exposing his ignorance. Somehow he believes he is an expert on this locality and know it better than I do even though I have lived here for 34 years.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
26 years in the force, you would think she knew her stuff - well, to killer cops all they know is how to kill and don't give a schitt about anything else. Luckily for her, she has enough years to retire and will soon be enjoying her pension as taxpayers fork over a few millions.
Ok, on this one, I don't think you're being entirely fair. Looks to me like it was a tragic error, not remotely an intention to kill. (That said, ignore the troll).
That said, it looks like not only an immensely tragic mistake, the taser effort looks extreme to begin with, and that's where the race aspect comes into play...the perception that a male of color is automatically assumed to be of deadly high risk, far higher than the reality. She sounds panicked when she really did not need to be. And the intensity of the stop to begin with wasn't called for.
The situation called for deescalation, if a stop at all. Instead it was menacing approach, then an escalation upon realizing he had an outstanding warrant, (for a misdemeanor violation, non-violent). Again, this could/should have been way differently handled. Then the panic when he struggled at being handcuffed.
Very, very tragic. And absolutely a systemic failure.
But I don't think "killer cop" is the right term.
I'm fine with her being fired. Don't see any alternative to this sort of "error" regardless of intent.
I'd need to see more intent before concluding any sort of criminal prosecution is warranted, though.
Financial liability absolutely.
Salty's "mixed race" BS is predictable.
I agree with you 100% MD, minus your swipe at Salty. This seems to be a tragic mistake by a cop who had a pretty impressive resume up until a few days ago. IMO the police are running scared. The fact the suspect had a warrant on him does not mean the police go into full fledged panic mode. That is the sad fact about being a member of the police force. You can do 10 thousand things brilliantly over the course of your career. You screw up once and none of that matters.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
Bob Ross:
Yeah, I'm sure that if he was your son you'd be equally forgiving.
The fact you birdbrains don’t have the stones to admit what is eminently true tells anyone else you’re not a serious player in any debate.
Most issues require far more nuance than what the Left wants. The only issue I know that is so clean is Democrats are bozos with a communist itch they love to scratch every day; that claim is indeed back and white.
Almost any other topic requires far more inspection. Democrats have pushed bs asset forfeiture laws for decades to pad the gubmint’s spending. Like every harebrained idea from the Left, it’s both an abuse of civil liberties as well as mostly harming the poor. But you can’t spend two seconds questioning why these police abuses occur, preferring to think cops are racist, when in fact very few are.
Pete, there is a HUGE difference between your handgun and your tazer. The tazer is normally high visibility yellow. It is that color for a reason. So a cop can't confuse it with their sidearm. This was a rookie mistake from an experienced patrol officer. IMO she flat out panicked.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
Bob Ross:
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:42 am
The fact you birdbrains don’t have the stones to admit what is eminently true tells anyone else you’re not a serious player in any debate.
Most issues require far more nuance than what the Left wants. The only issue I know that is so clean is Democrats are bozos with a communist itch they love to scratch every day; that claim is indeed back and white.
Almost any other topic requires far more inspection. Democrats have pushed bs asset forfeiture laws for decades to pad the gubmint’s spending. Like every harebrained idea from the Left, it’s both an abuse of civil liberties as well as mostly harming the poor. But you can’t spend two seconds questioning why these police abuses occur, preferring to think cops are racist, when in fact very few are.
more attacks and ignorance from our pal Petey
~ Democrats have pushed bs asset forfeiture laws for decades ~
The problem is just as big in rePUKEblican states:
As I have previously stated, it is the Democrats in Minnesota who attempted to impose police reform that would have prevented all those needless killings. But his GOP pals refused which results in large lawsuits and taxpayers having to fork over money needlessly.
Yup, the ignorance just will never end here.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
It is stupid training in addition to other things.
In addition to other factors (i.e black man bad) cops are trained that they have to DOMINATE the 21 foot "danger zone" around a suspect. Because a suspect with a knife or club or other weapon could cross the danger zone and get to you before you had time to draw your weapon. So you literally can never ever ever ever back down once you are in the danger zone. As the saying goes, better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. It is just forking pathetic and stupid and unnecessary.
In both Brooklyn and Windsor, the cops have it jacked up to 11 (among other reasons) because they are within the so-called danger zone. That's why weapons are out. In both cases, there is literally no need to be that close if there is any whiff at all of officer danger.
The #1 Windsor cop actually does a much better job. He stays further back by his cruiser (which is good cover) while starting to talk to the driver from a distance. He is safe and so is the Army officer. Things only go south when dumb ass #2 Windsor cop starts getting close to the car (Defcon 1). Um...is there any forking reason why you doing that dumb ass #2??? Answer -- literally not one forking reason. But since he now is at high danger and Defcon 1....
Hey dumb ass -- did you happen to notice those big metal posts and big metal gas pumps right behind you? Here's an idea -- maybe back up like two forking feet and take cover there? So you can then safely and more calmly interact with the suspect and figure things out a bit?
What always strikes me about all of these incidents is the sheer idiocy more than racism. And how other cops never tell the dumb ass cop -- "Dude -- stop acting like a stupid dick. You are making it dangerous for all of us." Because they've been trained to never ever ever ever back down.
Apparently the COP that killed Wright was the senior officer in the pair. She was training her partner. "Oh Sh*t" is right!
She is also the shop steward for the police officers' union in Brooklyn Center. Oh boy.
Foe the news conference, they admitted all the national media and local activists first thus shutting out the local news media from the event.
The elected Mayor then convinced the city council to vote to can the appointed long-time city manager who is/was in charge of staffing and management. Expect the mayor to can the officer and the police chief next.
A total cluster F all around by just about everybody involved.
What I want to know is why did she un-holster her gun? What caused her to take that action? Experienced, 48 years old (26 years on the force), exemplary COP, new officer trainer, Casket Honor Guard, ex-local Union President, Prom Queen, 5th Grade Spelling Bee Champion, prettiest baby in the nursery.
