Free will vs. determinism

[PizzaSnake]

Any thoughts? Implications of determinism are, well, interesting.

https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/ ... sm/485234/

https://news.stanford.edu/news/2011/sep ... 91511.html

https://theconversation.com/amp/the-psy ... will-97193

[Farfromgeneva]

Good topic. Read the Atlantic one need to read the others. I’m a strong free will person going back to reader Camus in middle school. What I didn’t see in the first piece is any argument about apriori or condotion precedent vs antecedent in his argument. The “probably” regarding moral justification is Hight problematic in trying to make a strong argument as well.

Wonder if genealogy of morals would address some of this in their breakdown of the history of the word guilt and how much we manipulate language to conform to the “free will” independence in our minds.

Probably not politics but a great topic to explore.

[youthathletics]

It has been a point of discussion in the church forever, Freewill / Predestination.

Much like the philosophy argument ...."If everything matters, then nothing is important".

[a fan]

It has been a point of discussion in the church forever, Freewill / Predestination.

I thought you Christian cats settled that? Timshel, and all that.

[youthathletics]

It has been a point of discussion in the church forever, Freewill / Predestination.

I thought you Christian cats settled that? Timshel, and all that.

Well, we can just shut this thread down now, cant we!

[a fan]

It has been a point of discussion in the church forever, Freewill / Predestination.

I thought you Christian cats settled that? Timshel, and all that.

Well, we can just shut this thread down now, cant we!

Just asking!

The entire point of Christianity (New Testament) is that man has choice-----free will.

Can't be a Christian without believing in free will....whether a Christian is aware of said belief is another story, I suppose.

[Farfromgeneva]

It has been a point of discussion in the church forever, Freewill / Predestination.

Much like the philosophy argument ...."If everything matters, then nothing is important".

I’m nominally Episcopalian. Big stretch of zero attendance from, say, age 11-12ish (when parents split up) to mid late 20s when I’ve basically been a Xmas and Easter kind of dude, Few other times when kids are part of the show or if wife asks specifically as she just did a 3yr stretch as Ward(en) on basically like the board of the church through losing a young good dude, and Covid plus now renting out the church house as the new guy bought a house personally to live in. So I know nothing about religion other than what I’ve read through philosophy which does include Aquinas and St Augustine. But what you say makes sense to me.

(Prior guy was dope, Father Zach-droppedsome philosophy on me once and we had a terrific chat at a barbecue at his crib, his dad was a banker in NYC until he quite one day and bought a farm in west/southwest NJ and destroyed his blackberry so Zach grew up a little different than many young priests (?) but they knew he was talented and gave him a good large church on the upper east side of manhattan to run which we actually hit a few times back in the day)