Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

The odds are excellent that you will leave this forum hating someone.
a fan
Posts: 19589
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:05 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by a fan »

ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:42 am YUP>>>>>>>>>and you, afan.....are part of the problem


J-1 visa gets lifted tomorrow.........hopefully your "buddy" at the $2k a NITE hotel in Aspen, will be able to hire "interns" to clean toilets, make beds, all, while the "little neil" doesn't have to pay FICA, overtime and other working "rights" don't apply to J1 visa employees.
So I tell OS and others that the stuff at the border is a distraction, and we need to work on actual immigration reform. I tell OS and others that the current system benefits the 1%ers, and sticks it to the American worker as well as immigrants.

And you come back with "I'm part of the problem".

Once again, here to pick a fight because you're bored.



Since you apparently think you're in a good place to throw stones? What are YOU doing to fix the problem, my man? I'm part of four agricultural-related Trade Groups that have all been pushing for immigration reform for over 20 years. We have zero power, but we're petitioning the government for change.
ABV 8.3%
Posts: 1605
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:26 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by ABV 8.3% »

a fan wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:41 am
ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:42 am YUP>>>>>>>>>and you, afan.....are part of the problem


J-1 visa gets lifted tomorrow.........hopefully your "buddy" at the $2k a NITE hotel in Aspen, will be able to hire "interns" to clean toilets, make beds, all, while the "little neil" doesn't have to pay FICA, overtime and other working "rights" don't apply to J1 visa employees.
So I tell OS and others that the stuff at the border is a distraction, and we need to work on actual immigration reform. I tell OS and others that the current system benefits the 1%ers, and sticks it to the American worker as well as immigrants.

And you come back with "I'm part of the problem".

Once again, here to pick a fight because you're bored.



Since you apparently think you're in a good place to throw stones? What are YOU doing to fix the problem, my man? I'm part of four agricultural-related Trade Groups that have all been pushing for immigration reform for over 20 years. We have zero power, but we're petitioning the government for change.
A fight......embarrassing

suppose, if one asks, WHAT details are you petitioning the govt. for......that is also fight picking :roll:

Dude,,,,,,,YOU brought up the Aspen Hotel.........no one else.

Did you not provide information, that your buddy bar manager dude informed you that they "start" at $16 bucks an hour.........and fill their staff with WHITE pigmented kids to serve their predominately WHITE clients........and THEY are proud of hiring via the J1 program.

you and your net moving is silling......just STOP with the "bored/picking a fight "

J1, has been a problem, for decades, in Colorado.


(and.....even IF I provided you a entire slew of things I AM DOING about illegal, abusive, visa programs.....from Elon Musk to Apens's Little Tavern hotell........you would STILL net move.....or, head to another thread, as always )

look afan......big bad R's doing something....somewhere........but, aren't YOU an R :ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek:
oligarchy thanks you......same as it evah was
a fan
Posts: 19589
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:05 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by a fan »

ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:28 am suppose, if one asks, WHAT details are you petitioning the govt. for.
I'd reply: stop trying to avoid direct questions by telling your fellow posters that they aren't responding to yours.

Either have a conversation with your poster, or don't. Been telling you this all year, but you don't want to listen.......

So my question is: what are YOU doing to fix the immigration reform issue that is so awesome...... that you think it makes sense to tell me that I'm part of the problem?

Answer it, or don't. Up to you.
ABV 8.3%
Posts: 1605
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:26 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by ABV 8.3% »

a fan wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:39 am
ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:28 am suppose, if one asks, WHAT details are you petitioning the govt. for.
I'd reply: stop trying to avoid direct questions by telling your fellow posters that they aren't responding to yours.

Either have a conversation with your poster, or don't. Been telling you this all year, but you don't want to listen.......

So my question is: what are YOU doing to fix the immigration reform issue that is so awesome...... that you think it makes sense to tell me that I'm part of the problem?

Answer it, or don't. Up to you.
here is your answer:

I do not do anything regarding immigration issues. Not a gosh darn thing.

Now, it is your turn, to answer the question asked, over, and over and over.

What was the intent /purpose of posting a comment about a bar/hotel/ in Aspen, starting at $16 an hour ? what point, was this information, proving.

your turn...........
oligarchy thanks you......same as it evah was
a fan
Posts: 19589
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:05 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by a fan »

ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:49 am I do not do anything regarding immigration issues. Not a gosh darn thing.
Then don't throw stones at me by telling me that "i'm part of the problem".

And then claim you're not picking a fight. Yes, you are...again. And it's getting old real fast.
ABV 8.3%
Posts: 1605
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:26 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by ABV 8.3% »

a fan wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:54 am
ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:49 am I do not do anything regarding immigration issues. Not a gosh darn thing.
Then don't throw stones at me by telling me that "i'm part of the problem".

And then claim you're not picking a fight. Yes, you are...again. And it's getting old real fast.
Your turn, we were answering each others questions????
oligarchy thanks you......same as it evah was
ABV 8.3%
Posts: 1605
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:26 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by ABV 8.3% »

a fan wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:39 am
ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:28 am suppose, if one asks, WHAT details are you petitioning the govt. for.
I'd reply: stop trying to avoid direct questions by telling your fellow posters that they aren't responding to yours.

Either have a conversation with your poster, or don't. Been telling you this all year, but you don't want to listen.......

So my question is: what are YOU doing to fix the immigration reform issue that is so awesome...... that you think it makes sense to tell me that I'm part of the problem?

Answer it, or don't. Up to you.
AFAN..........I answered your question. you have NOT, answered, one of my questions.......
oligarchy thanks you......same as it evah was
ABV 8.3%
Posts: 1605
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:26 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by ABV 8.3% »

a fan wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:54 am
ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:49 am I do not do anything regarding immigration issues. Not a gosh darn thing.
Then don't throw stones at me by telling me that "i'm part of the problem".

And then claim you're not picking a fight. Yes, you are...again. And it's getting old real fast.
THIS......is where your head is at?

you have to be actively enganged in the topic being discussed.........DOING something about it?

whatever THAT means

You mentioned a trade AG group......trying to do something about immigration.....but, don't want to inform us as to what that action is?

umm.....ok.
oligarchy thanks you......same as it evah was
a fan
Posts: 19589
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:05 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by a fan »

ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:58 am AFAN..........I answered your question. you have NOT, answered, one of my questions.......
Yep. You're right. You asked the question in an attempt to pick a fight. Not interested.

Been telling you this for week. If you want to have an actual polite conversation about ideas and polices, I'm here.

I have no interest in you taking your day out on me.....
ABV 8.3%
Posts: 1605
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:26 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by ABV 8.3% »

a fan wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:00 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:58 am AFAN..........I answered your question. you have NOT, answered, one of my questions.......
Yep. You're right. You asked the question in an attempt to pick a fight. Not interested.

Been telling you this for week. If you want to have an actual polite conversation about ideas and polices, I'm here.

I have no interest in you taking your day out on me.....
Spare us.....all you do it fight. You pick on the CON pretends...you seek them out

You aren't interested in discussing politely.....you are only interested in displaying your opinion, and what YOU do in life.....nothing else matters.

You want a REAL answer to what I do about immigration rights?

so, you can destroy and belittle what I do about immigration rights, as if it's not enough? Or some other, parameter, that you will excuse away.

AFAN,,, have you asked the same question , to anyone else? Have you asked any of the other posters, what THEY do about immigration issues?

It is net moving.......and your failure to answer simple questions is lame.

dude, going back to arguing with peter brown.........your debating skills are perfectly matching.....


What do you do about imigration reform?

Hire US citizens.

Is this not enough, to throw stones?

Support, contact politicians like Bernie Sanders

NOPE.....not good enough

Education people on the evils of J1 visas (ask you liberal friends, if they know if J1 employers have to pay FICA for J1 employees )


IS this what we are really going to do here............resumes for posting on threads?


Or, is it just your opinion, and ONLY your opinion, that matters.
oligarchy thanks you......same as it evah was
ABV 8.3%
Posts: 1605
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:26 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by ABV 8.3% »

a fan wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:00 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:58 am AFAN..........I answered your question. you have NOT, answered, one of my questions.......
Yep. You're right. You asked the question in an attempt to pick a fight. Not interested.

Been telling you this for week. If you want to have an actual polite conversation about ideas and polices, I'm here.

I have no interest in you taking your day out on me.....
yes......we know, Only your opinion matters.

Old salt is up........go approach him. You know, since you don't .....ummm......fight :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Meanwhile,.....was your trade group behind THIS legislation? Or.....is your trade group "petitioning" to have this not happen.... :roll: :roll:

yes....we know, you aren't interested......look.......a pretend R....go get em, AFAN....you tell them lil r' ,whats what.

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/ ... rkers.aspx

The bill:

Establishes a program for immigrant agricultural workers and their spouses to earn legal status through continued agricultural employment. The legal status—for those who have worked at least 180 days in agriculture over the last two years—is temporary but could be renewed indefinitely with continued farm work. Long-term workers who want to stay in the United States would be eligible for green cards.
Reforms the H-2A visa program by making it more user-friendly for employers; modifying wages to "better reflect real-world wages;" providing thousands of visas for year-round industries; improving the availability of farmworker housing; establishing more oversight over foreign labor recruiters; and creating a pilot program to facilitate the free movement and employment of up to 10,000 H-2A workers with registered agricultural employers.
Implements a mandatory, nationwide E-Verify employment eligibility verification system for all farmworkers, to be phased in after the legalization and H-2A reforms have been put in place.



yup.....you act of attack on the lil r's is SO fresh, and new..... :roll:
oligarchy thanks you......same as it evah was
a fan
Posts: 19589
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:05 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by a fan »

ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:12 pm AFAN,,, have you asked the same question , to anyone else? Have you asked any of the other posters, what THEY do about immigration issues?
Nope. Because not one of them said, as you did "You are part of the problem". That was you. And rather then own up to the provocation, you double down.

Do you REALLY want to discuss immigration reform?

As for what we're doing with the various groups? Well, one group is trying to make seasonal work VISA's permanent. No wasting time filing every freaking year. Just one time app, and the orchard in question is finished.

Orchard owners I know in CO have had the same group----many are family----coming annually for decades. It's a complete waste of time..both for the orchard owner, and the Fed Government..... to have to apply for VISA's every year.
runrussellrun
Posts: 7583
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:07 am

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by runrussellrun »

AFAN,

I very much want to discuss immigration. That is why I posted links to the J1 visa issue.

I asked, why you posted about one specific hotel, and how that is relevant to IMMIGRATION........

wages, benefits, housing and working conditions are important, and , apply to ALL humans that live on an income from job salary.

So, again, what does a 5 star hotel, that HIRES J1 visa's, paying ANY hourly wage matter, when they don't have to pay FICA.

Why did you provide the lil nell as an example...of what......in relation to immigrants and caravans and a 5 star hotel hourly wage?

that's all.

if you and I were sitting in Ajax lounge, sipping away at your products, you would feel no vibe of fight.........

just curious why hourly wages, for you, me, anyone, has do to with "immigrants" ?


You say, they come for the jobs........LOW paying jobs......
ILM...Independent Lives Matter
Pronouns: "we" and "suck"
a fan
Posts: 19589
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:05 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by a fan »

runrussellrun wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:51 pm AFAN,

I very much want to discuss immigration. That is why I posted links to the J1 visa issue.

I asked, why you posted about one specific hotel, and how that is relevant to IMMIGRATION........
You're confused as to why I posted about that Hotel. You have the context wrong.

That comment was about an author lying about a claim that he spoke with an unnamed CEO of a Hotel Chain, who allegedly told him that he couldn't get housekeepers without paying them $20 an hour.

I gave the Little Nell example to demonstrate that this journalist was clearly lying, and that there isn't a Hotel Chain in America that pays that much for starting Housekeepers, including the Little Nell.

That's it.
User avatar
old salt
Posts: 18859
Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:44 am

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by old salt »

From today's Defense One, D brief :
BY KORI SCHAKE, DIRECTOR OF FOREIGN AND DEFENSE POLICY STUDIES, AEI
MARCH 29, 2021, COMMENTARY

In the early 2000s, Border Patrol agents in the Rio Grande Valley of South Texas were accustomed to encountering a few hundred children attempting to cross the American border alone each month. Some hoped to sneak into the country unnoticed; others readily presented themselves to officials in order to request asylum. The agents would transport the children, who were exhausted, dehydrated, and sometimes injured, to Border Patrol stations and book them into austere concrete holding cells. The facilities are notoriously cold, so agents would hand the children Mylar blankets to keep warm until federal workers could deliver them to child-welfare authorities.

But starting in 2012, the number of children arriving at the border crept up, first to about 1,000 a month, then 2,000, then 5,000. By the summer of 2014, federal officials were processing more than 8,000 children a month in that region alone, cramming them into the same cells that had previously held only a few dozen at a time, and that were not meant to hold children at all.

As the stations filled, the Obama administration scrambled to find a solution. The law required that the children be moved away from the border within 72 hours and placed in the custody of the Department of Health and Human Services, so they could be housed safely and comfortably until they were released to adults willing to sponsor them. But HHS facilities were also overflowing. The department signed new contracts for “emergency-influx shelters,” growing its capacity by thousands of beds within a matter of months. Government workers pulled 100-hour weeks to coordinate logistics. And then, seemingly overnight, border crossings began to drop precipitously. No one knew exactly why.

“The numbers are unpredictable,” Mark Weber, an HHS spokesperson, told me in 2016, just as another child-migration surge was beginning to crest. “We don’t know why a bunch of kids decided to come in 2014, or why they stopped coming in 2015. The thing we do know is these kids are trying to escape violence, gangs, economic instability. That’s a common theme. The numbers have changed over the years, but the themes stayed the same.”

The cycle repeated itself under President Donald Trump in 2019, and is doing so again now. And as border crossings rise and the government rushes to open new emergency-influx shelters, some lawmakers and pundits are declaring that the Biden administration is responsible for the surge. “The #BidenBorderCrisiswas caused by the message sent by his campaign & by the measures taken in the early days of his new administration,” Marco Rubio tweeted last week. The administration is “luring children to the border with the promise of letting them in,” Joe Scarborough, the Republican congressman turned cable-television host, told millions of viewers during a recent segment.

But for decades, most immigration experts have viewed border crossings not in terms of surges, but in terms of cycles that are affected by an array of factors. These include the cartels’ trafficking business, weather, and religious holidays as well as American politics—but perhaps most of all by conditions in the children’s home countries. A 2014 Congressional Research Service report found that young peoples’ “motives for migrating to the United States are often multifaceted and difficult to measure analytically,” and that “while the impacts of actual and perceived U.S. immigration policies have been widely debated, it remains unclear if, and how, specific immigration policies have motivated children to migrate to the United States.”

The report pointed out that special protections for children put into place under the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 may have shifted migration patterns by encouraging parents to send their children alone rather than travel as a family. But it found that blaming any one administration for a rise in border crossings ultimately made no sense—the United States has offered some form of protection to people fleeing persecution since the 1940s, and those rights were expanded more than 40 years ago under the Refugee Act of 1980.

This is not to say that President Joe Biden’s stance on immigration—which has thus far been to discourage foreigners from crossing the border while also declaring that those who do so anyway will be treated humanely—has had no effect on the current trend. Like other business owners, professional human traffickers, known as coyotes, rely on marketing—and federal intelligence suggests that perceived windows of opportunity have been responsible for some of their most profitable years.

For example, border crossings rose in the months before President Trump took office in part because coyotes encouraged people to hurry into the United States before the start of the crackdown that Trump had promised during his campaign. With Trump out of office, some prospective migrants likely feel impelled to seek refuge now, before another election could restore his policies.

But placing blame for the recent increase in border crossings entirely on the current administration’s policies ignores the reality that the federal government has held more children in custody in the past than it is holding right now, and that border crossings have soared and then dropped many times over the decades, seemingly irrespective of who is president.

Given, then, that the movement of unaccompanied minors has long ebbed and flowed—we are now experiencing the fourth so-called surge over the course of three administrations—why do border facilities still appear overwhelmed? The answer, in part, is that the current uptick is simply getting more media attention. When Trump took office, in 2017, 13,000 children were sitting in Health and Human Services facilities, about 1,000 more than are in federal custody today; he did not receive any questions about the detention of migrants during his first press conference, and an online search did not turn up a single news story citing that statistic. The federal government, across multiple administrations, has also chosen not to meaningfully improve the conditions in border facilities: Children are still held in the same concrete cells that were used in the early 2000s, and the few larger facilities that the Department of Homeland Security has acquired since then to help expedite processing of children are just as austere as previous ones. They became infamous almost as soon as they opened, known as the places where children are held in what are effectively cages.

As I’ve covered this issue over the years, federal authorities have often vented to me during cycle peaks, complaining that facilities built for law-enforcement purposes had been hijacked to shelter children. During one of the recent surges, a Customs and Border Protection commissioner lamented to me that offices at ports of entry along the border were being converted into nurseries with TVs playing cartoons, and that the agency was hemorrhaging money to keep up with the need for diapers, feminine products, and crackers and juice. When I asked him why CBP didn’t just build additional, more family-appropriate facilities, he replied that such a project could send a message that would encourage even more people to migrate to the United States.

With his comment, the commissioner reiterated what many other officials I’ve talked with over the years have said: The issue is not that the federal government is unable to handle the large numbers of children crossing the border now—rather, that it has been unwilling to spend the money required to process children more safely and comfortably, because of a concern about optics. But if, as the Congressional Research Service report concluded, American policies are not the primary driver of migration, then the federal government may be needlessly avoiding changes that could improve how the United States treats the most vulnerable migrants.

The current backup at the border stems from more than insufficient infrastructure. Most Central Americans hoping to escape crushing poverty, gang and gender-based violence, and the increasing ravages of climate change are not eligible to apply for any existing American visa. Under current immigration law, which dates back to 1954 and was last updated in 1996, the only legal route into the United States for most of them is via obtaining asylum. This requires getting in line behind literally more than 1 million other people, and waiting on an arcane, individualized legal proceeding that requires multiple appearances before a judge and takes, on average, more than a year to complete.

American asylum protections were first established as part of an effort to atone for the rejection of Jewish migrants who’d fled Nazi Germany during World War II, only to be turned away from American shores. The program was also seen as a tool for promoting democracy abroad, offering a haven to people escaping Communist governments during the Cold War. The messaging campaign worked. The United States became known, even more than before, as a place where people could find both freedom from persecution and material opportunity. The American economy has grown more robust with the addition of foreign workers, a trend that shows no sign of changing.

But current immigration law does not, for the most part, acknowledge that many beneficiaries of humanitarian protections also become students and low-wage workers, who are a major portion of the American economy and are consistently in short supply. Because of the demand, farmers in New York and restaurateurs in Miami poach undocumented workers from one another; without new immigrants, they say, their businesses would tank. Yet the law treats people who migrate for educational or financial gain and those who seek humanitarian protections as if they are separate populations, when that is often not the case. And because the rules generally require that people who apply to migrate for work or school be relatively wealthy, the Central American migrants crossing the border today, who are not, pursue the only legal route available to them—asylum.

“The asylum system isn’t the right path for most people, but it’s the only path,” a career government official who has served in the past three administrations recently told me.

Many of these migrants are genuinely escaping harrowing circumstances. The Congressional Research Service report found that almost all unaccompanied minors have experienced some form of gang violence, much of which fits the definition of torture. And in recent years, immigration judges have declared that people fleeing attacks based on their gender or sexual orientation should also qualify for asylum status in the United States. Last summer, when I traveled to a working-class suburb of Guatemala City, the deep poverty was immediately evident in the crumbling homes I entered, where multiple generations crammed together under only partial, if any, roofing. People I interviewed shared stories of recent murders in their neighborhoods as casually as if we were chatting about the weather.

But continuing to funnel hundreds of thousands of people a year through a broken, backlogged system does not appear to be working. The asylum process creates an incentive for people to exaggerate their stories, which harms the credibility of others’, and has resulted in people who needed protection being sent home to their death. The plodding asylum system, and the failure to acknowledge that its recipients are also part of the American economy, is the primary reason facilities along the border are full today, and will continue to get overloaded every time migration has one of its cyclical increases.

The Biden administration has begun to take steps to address this problem for young people by reintroducing the Central American Minors Program, which allows parents who are lawfully present in the United States to petition for their children to join them. But that program, created by President Barack Obama in 2014 and eliminated three years later by President Trump, has resettled only about 5,000 children, slightly more than half of the number who crossed the border just in the last month. Many of the children crossing the border now may not qualify, because they don’t have a parent already living in the United States.

The current fixation on whether the Biden administration will refer to what is happening at the border as a “crisis” reflects the general lack of perspective with which migration “surges” are generally treated. Moments at the border like this should by now be considered almost routine, but our collective short-term memory—sometimes exacerbated by media hyperbole—allows elected officials to capitalize on them for their own political gain. This misleading of the public also helps Congress dodge accountability for its role in retaining a system that has been outdated for decades. Every time migration spikes, federal officials must abandon their primary work to demand billions of dollars in emergency funds, in order to respond to events that were foreseeable.

In the past decade, Americans have come to take for granted that Congress is too divided to pass any meaningful legislation—but that forgone conclusion could be revisited. Setting immigration policy is a congressional responsibility. In recent years, when Barack Obama and Donald Trump each attempted to take control of the issue from the legislative branch, they ended up in court, facing state governments accusing them of executive overreach. Such presidential efforts amount to mere stop-gap measures, which inevitably give way and allow the cycle to continue.
a fan
Posts: 19589
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:05 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by a fan »

old salt wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:04 pm The current fixation on whether the Biden administration will refer to what is happening at the border as a “crisis” reflects the general lack of perspective with which migration “surges” are generally treated. Moments at the border like this should by now be considered almost routine, but our collective short-term memory—sometimes exacerbated by media hyperbole—allows elected officials to capitalize on them for their own political gain. This misleading of the public also helps Congress dodge accountability for its role in retaining a system that has been outdated for decades.
Pretty much what I've been saying verbatim. And I'm sick of it.
Peter Brown
Posts: 12878
Joined: Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:19 am

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by Peter Brown »

I’m not a closed border guy. I’m content to have some level of immigration.

I also realize why Democrats want no borders (except if you’re from a truly civilized country like the UK), plus zero voter identification.

These are not mutually exclusive. Democrats rely on a dependency class to win elections.
User avatar
old salt
Posts: 18859
Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:44 am

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by old salt »

...& this is what I've been saying & am sick of it :
“The asylum system isn’t the right path for most people, but it’s the only path,” a career government official who has served in the past three administrations recently told me. ...continuing to funnel hundreds of thousands of people a year through a broken, backlogged system does not appear to be working. The asylum process creates an incentive for people to exaggerate their stories, which harms the credibility of others’, and has resulted in people who needed protection being sent home to their death. The plodding asylum system, and the failure to acknowledge that its recipients are also part of the American economy, is the primary reason facilities along the border are full today, and will continue to get overloaded every time migration has one of its cyclical increases.
User avatar
old salt
Posts: 18859
Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:44 am

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by old salt »

Recall the NIMBY pushback the Trump Admin received when trying to increase HHS capacity to house unaccompanied minors.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc ... story.html

August 14, 2019
A federal agency defended itself Wednesday against backlash to a planned shelter for unaccompanied migrant children in Washington, saying it treats minors with dignity and respect.

In a statement to The Washington Post, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services confirmed that it granted a $20.5 million contract in August to a contractor to operate a 200-bed facility in the District for children ages 12 to 17.

Dynamic Service Solutions, a federal contractor, applied for a permit to open a shelter, a request city officials said they found “inadequate.” The permit application is still pending before the agency.

D.C. Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D), several local lawmakers and immigration advocates said Tuesday that they oppose the shelter because of the Trump administration’s track record for housing migrants in squalid conditions.
Bowser said the city has “no intention” of accepting the facility, and her administration issues the licenses needed for such shelters to open.
“Washington, D.C. will not be complicit in the inhumane practice of detaining migrant children in warehouses,” Bowser said in a statement. “We have no intention of accepting a new federal facility, least of all one that detains and dehumanizes migrant children.”

HHS officials said migrant children in their care have their own beds and access to meals, legal services, board games, sports and classes. The Trump administration previously planned to cut some of those services, but a supplemental budget passed by Congress restored the funding.

“We treat the children in our care with dignity and respect, and deliver services to them in a compassionate and organized manner while we work expeditiously to unify each one with a suitable sponsor,” the press office at the agency’s Administration for Children and Families said in a statement.
“Unfortunately, uninformed individuals continue to perpetuate erroneous and irresponsible stories which only hinder our ability to run this program successfully and unify children with their parents, family member or other suitable sponsor,” the statement said.

The agency’s defense comes as advocates and elected officials elsewhere, including in Northern Virginia, oppose the Trump administration’s efforts to establish new shelters for migrant children.

Top officials push back against proposed immigrant shelters in Northern Va.

Federal officials have reported a surge of unaccompanied minors at the border in the past year and are trying to expand their capacity to house them until they can be placed with a sponsor or relative in the United States.

In its statement, HHS stressed that unaccompanied minors were not with a parent or a guardian when apprehended, unlike immigrant children separated from their families.

The agency said it is responsible for more than 8,000 children across 170 facilities and programs in 23 states.

Dynamic Service Solutions has been advertising for jobs at the shelter, including for bilingual educators, case managers and medical staff.
HHS said the shelter’s total capacity depends on what District officials allow.

D.C. Council member Brianne K. Nadeau (D-Ward 1) is considering introducing emergency legislation to block the shelter by capping the number of youths that can be in a facility.
The D.C. Council’s office Twitter account decried the planned shelter on Wednesday, tweeting that “Children are to be worshipped, not warehoused.”
Typical Lax Dad
Posts: 34118
Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:10 pm

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Post by Typical Lax Dad »

old salt wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:45 pm ...& this is what I've been saying & am sick of it :
“The asylum system isn’t the right path for most people, but it’s the only path,” a career government official who has served in the past three administrations recently told me. ...continuing to funnel hundreds of thousands of people a year through a broken, backlogged system does not appear to be working. The asylum process creates an incentive for people to exaggerate their stories, which harms the credibility of others’, and has resulted in people who needed protection being sent home to their death. The plodding asylum system, and the failure to acknowledge that its recipients are also part of the American economy, is the primary reason facilities along the border are full today, and will continue to get overloaded every time migration has one of its cyclical increases.
:lol: :lol: :lol: they might be lying!
“Lying Matters Now”
Last edited by Typical Lax Dad on Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
“I wish you would!”
Post Reply

Return to “POLITICS”