Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[cradleandshoot]

Nobody is saying people shouldn’t talk simply walk a mile in their shoes. And it goes back to the lost confidence in our system of authority Bradley un due to abuses and cover ups. This is yet another reason why one side with codified power has to be held to a higher standard. If the community believed JUSTICE, not just administrative and codified punishment, is probably they’d more freely talk. If they don’t have faith in that system and believe more strongly that the folks on the street are more likely to deliver on what they are selling then you’d probably keep quiet too.

I was a very young and dumb long haired 14 year old when the police beat the living chit out of me for using the "magic word" to define what we all thought of the police. This contempt for the police and authority is not something new. As a teenager we did not trust the cops and decades of people before myself never trusted the police and for good reason. If you can define how decades and decades of mistrust in the police changes in a few months, I would love to hear how that happens. Your gonna think what I am about to say may be juvenile or stupid. My wife enjoyed watching all those old re runs of COPS. What stood out to me was what a bunch of ass holes those street cops always were. They arrest some poor schmuck because they find a bag of weed in the car and they act like they just apprehended John Dillinger. I don't know if the base mentality of most police will ever change. There will always be th noat 10 percent of cops that are on an ego trip.

Just 10%?

Okay, 11 percent then.

Given that the estimated rate of sociopathy n the general population is 5%, and I would argue that your estimate is very light.

Main real problem is most police officers start young and then finish just when they might be developing some judgment and wisdom. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: giving young men and women guns and a “license” to use them is a really stupid idea.

The problem is crusty, the people you are referring to don't legally own firearms. I believe the term used is unlicensed owners of unregistered firearms. They sorta circumvent that system where law abiding citizens apply for that thing called a pistol permit.

Crusty? Let’s try and elevate our discourse, shall we?

I “quoted” license to reference the deference law enforcement receives when using deadly force.

IMO the crust is the best part of the pizza. No need to be so sensitive, I'm not insulting you. No law enforcement officer today has deference to any time they fire their weapon. You fire your weapon and you will be assigned to a desk until the powers that be decide if your actions were justified or not. If your actions are not justified you will be looking for another job.

[Farfromgeneva]

Nobody is saying people shouldn’t talk simply walk a mile in their shoes. And it goes back to the lost confidence in our system of authority Bradley un due to abuses and cover ups. This is yet another reason why one side with codified power has to be held to a higher standard. If the community believed JUSTICE, not just administrative and codified punishment, is probably they’d more freely talk. If they don’t have faith in that system and believe more strongly that the folks on the street are more likely to deliver on what they are selling then you’d probably keep quiet too.

I was a very young and dumb long haired 14 year old when the police beat the living chit out of me for using the "magic word" to define what we all thought of the police. This contempt for the police and authority is not something new. As a teenager we did not trust the cops and decades of people before myself never trusted the police and for good reason. If you can define how decades and decades of mistrust in the police changes in a few months, I would love to hear how that happens. Your gonna think what I am about to say may be juvenile or stupid. My wife enjoyed watching all those old re runs of COPS. What stood out to me was what a bunch of ass holes those street cops always were. They arrest some poor schmuck because they find a bag of weed in the car and they act like they just apprehended John Dillinger. I don't know if the base mentality of most police will ever change. There will always be that 10 percent of cops that are on an ego trip.

Well like the other side will argue, should we just give up when this is so important?

If I caught an a** whooping for calling a cop a pig, I’d take it, but because I was raised with that mentality of “come get your beating” when “earned”, but for anyone else in this country I find that offensive that it happens. Half or more of those specific type of cops wouldn’t do it ever without a badge and the fear of reciprocation. Only because they’ve been granted the authority do they do it and get away with it.

So here’s my solution. Forget courts. Like they tell Denzel in the jungle at the end “you got to put in your own work around here homie”. What I mean is if you pull some extralegal stuff with a badge then you have to go to that neighborhood with no uniform or weapons and go tow to toe with the Neighborhood representative of their choice. think those same tough guy, state police rejects, would ever go for that if it locked in their qualified immunity? I think they’re too much of pu**ies to agree to that ever

BTW, old Pete Brown claimed I was out of my mind suggesting, at request off the top of the dome that 5-15% was outrageous but you split my flippant estimate like a 7-11 split.

[PizzaSnake]

Nobody is saying people shouldn’t talk simply walk a mile in their shoes. And it goes back to the lost confidence in our system of authority Bradley un due to abuses and cover ups. This is yet another reason why one side with codified power has to be held to a higher standard. If the community believed JUSTICE, not just administrative and codified punishment, is probably they’d more freely talk. If they don’t have faith in that system and believe more strongly that the folks on the street are more likely to deliver on what they are selling then you’d probably keep quiet too.

I was a very young and dumb long haired 14 year old when the police beat the living chit out of me for using the "magic word" to define what we all thought of the police. This contempt for the police and authority is not something new. As a teenager we did not trust the cops and decades of people before myself never trusted the police and for good reason. If you can define how decades and decades of mistrust in the police changes in a few months, I would love to hear how that happens. Your gonna think what I am about to say may be juvenile or stupid. My wife enjoyed watching all those old re runs of COPS. What stood out to me was what a bunch of ass holes those street cops always were. They arrest some poor schmuck because they find a bag of weed in the car and they act like they just apprehended John Dillinger. I don't know if the base mentality of most police will ever change. There will always be th noat 10 percent of cops that are on an ego trip.

Just 10%?

Okay, 11 percent then.

Given that the estimated rate of sociopathy n the general population is 5%, and I would argue that your estimate is very light.

Main real problem is most police officers start young and then finish just when they might be developing some judgment and wisdom. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: giving young men and women guns and a “license” to use them is a really stupid idea.

The problem is crusty, the people you are referring to don't legally own firearms. I believe the term used is unlicensed owners of unregistered firearms. They sorta circumvent that system where law abiding citizens apply for that thing called a pistol permit.

Crusty? Let’s try and elevate our discourse, shall we?

I “quoted” license to reference the deference law enforcement receives when using deadly force.

IMO the crust is the best part of the pizza. No need to be so sensitive, I'm not insulting you. No law enforcement officer today has deference to any time they fire their weapon. You fire your weapon and you will be assigned to a desk until the powers that be decide if your actions were justified or not. If your actions are not justified you will be looking for another job.

Tell that to Bijan Ghaisar’s family. Justice delayed is justice denied.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... utType=amp

Kafkaesque. Truly.

[cradleandshoot]

Nobody is saying people shouldn’t talk simply walk a mile in their shoes. And it goes back to the lost confidence in our system of authority Bradley un due to abuses and cover ups. This is yet another reason why one side with codified power has to be held to a higher standard. If the community believed JUSTICE, not just administrative and codified punishment, is probably they’d more freely talk. If they don’t have faith in that system and believe more strongly that the folks on the street are more likely to deliver on what they are selling then you’d probably keep quiet too.

I was a very young and dumb long haired 14 year old when the police beat the living chit out of me for using the "magic word" to define what we all thought of the police. This contempt for the police and authority is not something new. As a teenager we did not trust the cops and decades of people before myself never trusted the police and for good reason. If you can define how decades and decades of mistrust in the police changes in a few months, I would love to hear how that happens. Your gonna think what I am about to say may be juvenile or stupid. My wife enjoyed watching all those old re runs of COPS. What stood out to me was what a bunch of ass holes those street cops always were. They arrest some poor schmuck because they find a bag of weed in the car and they act like they just apprehended John Dillinger. I don't know if the base mentality of most police will ever change. There will always be th noat 10 percent of cops that are on an ego trip.

Just 10%?

Okay, 11 percent then.

Given that the estimated rate of sociopathy n the general population is 5%, and I would argue that your estimate is very light.

Main real problem is most police officers start young and then finish just when they might be developing some judgment and wisdom. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: giving young men and women guns and a “license” to use them is a really stupid idea.

The problem is crusty, the people you are referring to don't legally own firearms. I believe the term used is unlicensed owners of unregistered firearms. They sorta circumvent that system where law abiding citizens apply for that thing called a pistol permit.

Crusty? Let’s try and elevate our discourse, shall we?

I “quoted” license to reference the deference law enforcement receives when using deadly force.

IMO the crust is the best part of the pizza. No need to be so sensitive, I'm not insulting you. No law enforcement officer today has deference to any time they fire their weapon. You fire your weapon and you will be assigned to a desk until the powers that be decide if your actions were justified or not. If your actions are not justified you will be looking for another job.

Tell that to Bijan Ghaisar’s family. Justice delayed is justice denied.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... utType=amp

Kafkaesque. Truly.

The point is there will be justice. These 2 cops are not on the job and they never will be again. What a profound statement.. " justice delayed is justice denied" Justice is delayed in this country all the time. That is true even with cases that don't involve the police.

[PizzaSnake]

Nobody is saying people shouldn’t talk simply walk a mile in their shoes. And it goes back to the lost confidence in our system of authority Bradley un due to abuses and cover ups. This is yet another reason why one side with codified power has to be held to a higher standard. If the community believed JUSTICE, not just administrative and codified punishment, is probably they’d more freely talk. If they don’t have faith in that system and believe more strongly that the folks on the street are more likely to deliver on what they are selling then you’d probably keep quiet too.

I was a very young and dumb long haired 14 year old when the police beat the living chit out of me for using the "magic word" to define what we all thought of the police. This contempt for the police and authority is not something new. As a teenager we did not trust the cops and decades of people before myself never trusted the police and for good reason. If you can define how decades and decades of mistrust in the police changes in a few months, I would love to hear how that happens. Your gonna think what I am about to say may be juvenile or stupid. My wife enjoyed watching all those old re runs of COPS. What stood out to me was what a bunch of ass holes those street cops always were. They arrest some poor schmuck because they find a bag of weed in the car and they act like they just apprehended John Dillinger. I don't know if the base mentality of most police will ever change. There will always be th noat 10 percent of cops that are on an ego trip.

Just 10%?

Okay, 11 percent then.

Given that the estimated rate of sociopathy n the general population is 5%, and I would argue that your estimate is very light.

Main real problem is most police officers start young and then finish just when they might be developing some judgment and wisdom. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: giving young men and women guns and a “license” to use them is a really stupid idea.

The problem is crusty, the people you are referring to don't legally own firearms. I believe the term used is unlicensed owners of unregistered firearms. They sorta circumvent that system where law abiding citizens apply for that thing called a pistol permit.

Crusty? Let’s try and elevate our discourse, shall we?

I “quoted” license to reference the deference law enforcement receives when using deadly force.

IMO the crust is the best part of the pizza. No need to be so sensitive, I'm not insulting you. No law enforcement officer today has deference to any time they fire their weapon. You fire your weapon and you will be assigned to a desk until the powers that be decide if your actions were justified or not. If your actions are not justified you will be looking for another job.

Tell that to Bijan Ghaisar’s family. Justice delayed is justice denied.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... utType=amp

Kafkaesque. Truly.

The point is there will be justice. These 2 cops are not on the job and they never will be again. What a profound statement.. " justice delayed is justice denied" Justice is delayed in this country all the time. That is true even with cases that don't involve the police.

“Justice delayed is justice denied.” Profound? Indeed.

https://yalealumnimagazine.com/articles ... quote-them

Malcolm Gladwell, William Penn. Probably others as well.

Another idea:

Spanish philosopher George Santayana is credited with the aphorism, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it,” while British statesman Winston Churchill wrote, “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

[jhu72]

What appears to be more traditional racism in Atlanta.

[ardilla secreta]

What appears to be more traditional racism in Atlanta.

I read this story yesterday and it’s hard to understand the reasoning for this action of handcuffing and detaining the husband of a murder victim at the spa. Then releasing him after four hours and then telling him his wife died.

[Typical Lax Dad]

What appears to be more traditional racism in Atlanta.

I read this story yesterday and it’s hard to understand the reasoning for this action of handcuffing and detaining the husband of a murder victim at the spa. Then releasing him after four hours and then telling him his wife died.

Did he fit the description of the shooter? Must have been a striking resemblance.

[DocBarrister]

What appears to be more traditional racism in Atlanta.

I read this story yesterday and it’s hard to understand the reasoning for this action of handcuffing and detaining the husband of a murder victim at the spa. Then releasing him after four hours and then telling him his wife died.

Local Asian American Christian leaders who organized the vigil said it was intended not only to offer a space of “healing” for the community, but also to decry the rise in hate crimes against Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders over the past year.

“I’ve received calls from people saying that there are several complicated issues to the Atlanta spa shootings,” the Rev. Byeong Han said in Korean during the vigil, referring to investigators' statements that the suspect had claimed that he was motivated by a “sexual addiction,” not racism. “This incident is not complicated. It’s clearly a hate crime from a white man targeting Asian women.”

Han said later in an interview that the suspect’s claim that he had “had a bad day” was a “poor excuse,” saying Asian Americans have been having “bad years.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-amer ... ex-rcna466

DocBarrister

[Brooklyn]

Trump supporter feels entitled to spew racial slurs at cashier who tells her she must wear a mask


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/3 ... ecommended


As reported by the New York Daily News, a woman, identified as Stephanie Denaro of Queens, and accompanied by at least three children, was waiting in line behind two other customers at the Davidovitch Bakery on New York’s Lower East Side.

Because she was not wearing a mask, the African-American cashier behind the counter bakery politely asked her to put one on to receive service. She then began to complain, whereupon one of the bakery’s two security guards standing by told the cashier that it was up to him whether he would serve her. Probably because he was concerned about violating the bakery’s rules for serving customers without masks, he indicated he did not wish to serve her.

The security guard then advised the woman that she would have to leave.

She responded by asking “ Why? Because he’s a complain-ass n******r, is that why?”



video included in the link




Right wingers continue to spew their hate and then play the victim card. No surprise given that this is their specialty.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Trump supporter feels entitled to spew racial slurs at cashier who tells her she must wear a mask


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/3 ... ecommended


As reported by the New York Daily News, a woman, identified as Stephanie Denaro of Queens, and accompanied by at least three children, was waiting in line behind two other customers at the Davidovitch Bakery on New York’s Lower East Side.

Because she was not wearing a mask, the African-American cashier behind the counter bakery politely asked her to put one on to receive service. She then began to complain, whereupon one of the bakery’s two security guards standing by told the cashier that it was up to him whether he would serve her. Probably because he was concerned about violating the bakery’s rules for serving customers without masks, he indicated he did not wish to serve her.

The security guard then advised the woman that she would have to leave.

She responded by asking “ Why? Because he’s a complain-ass n******r, is that why?”



video included in the link




Right wingers continue to spew their hate and then play the victim card. No surprise given that this is their specialty.

It’s nice down there now.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/31 ... atform=amp

[PizzaSnake]

New model or same old “iron fist” plan?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... er/618381/

[jhu72]

... someone will have to explain to me just exactly what the scumbag COPs who choked out George Floyd thought they were doing. What was the point? What did they think they were accomplishing? Only point I can take away from the multiple videos and witness testimony is the motherfu*kers were determined to kill Floyd. There is no other explanation.

[jhu72]

... a witness, an off duty Minneapolis EMT who witnessed Floyd's death seems to have dropped a bomb shell. She is testifying that the ambulance response to the call was strange, took much longer than it should have. Medical help in her experience would have normally come from a station 3 blocks away; the 1st and 2nd back up stations would have reached the site of Floyd's death in under 3 minutes. According to the time the COPs called the ambulance, 5 minutes before she showed up on the site, taking a walk on her day off, the ambulance should have been there before she arrived. She was also told to mind her own business by one of the COPs when she informed them who she was and she could help. The COP told her he did not believe she was Minneapolis EMT, because if she were, she would know better than to stick her nose in where it didn't belong! The defense is really going after her, but I don't think they are scoring many points against her.

This is irrelevant to Floyd's guilt or innocence, but could lead to a larger investigation and future charges. It sounds like a potential conspiracy among the COPs.

She witnessed the COPs killing Floyd, believes she could have saved him, but the COPs would not let her. She saw him die before the ambulance showed up with 3 COPs sitting on Floyd, 1 with his knee still on his neck.

[Peter Brown]

... someone will have to explain to me just exactly what the scumbag COPs who choked out George Floyd thought they were doing. What was the point? What did they think they were accomplishing? Only point I can take away from the multiple videos and witness testimony is the motherfu*kers were determined to kill Floyd. There is no other explanation.

What do democrats think they are accomplishing by constantly bashing cops? Only point I can take away is they’re anti-cop. There is no other explanation.

[Brooklyn]

... someone will have to explain to me just exactly what the scumbag COPs who choked out George Floyd thought they were doing. What was the point? What did they think they were accomplishing? Only point I can take away from the multiple videos and witness testimony is the motherfu*kers were determined to kill Floyd. There is no other explanation.

A local criminal law defense attorney was interviewed on TV and he said it's all looking rather grim for the criminal cop whose defense continue insist that Chauvin was acting under color of law and prescribed procedure. Of course, the defense started out by saying that the first words out of the mouth of the police commissioner was that the actions taken were not within police procedure and that it was an act of murder. Despite all, I'm still willing to bet the cops will go off scot free. It's America, ya know ...

[jhu72]

... someone will have to explain to me just exactly what the scumbag COPs who choked out George Floyd thought they were doing. What was the point? What did they think they were accomplishing? Only point I can take away from the multiple videos and witness testimony is the motherfu*kers were determined to kill Floyd. There is no other explanation.

A local criminal law defense attorney was interviewed on TV and he said it's all looking rather grim for the criminal cop whose defense continue insist that Chauvin was acting under color of law and prescribed procedure. Of course, the defense started out by saying that the first words out of the mouth of the police commissioner was that the actions taken were not within police procedure and that it was an act of murder. Despite all, I'm still willing to bet the cops will go off scot free. It's America, ya know ...

Three have to this point. To my mind these guys are as guilty as the Murder in Blue on trial.

The only way he gets off is a jury member who no matter what won't ever convict a COP or a racist.

[njbill]

I think the EMT was a very powerful witness for the prosecution. As one of the commentators noted, it is quite unusual for two eyewitnesses to also have expertise in areas relevant to the case. The MMA guy gave some pretty interesting testimony on chokeholds and the like.

The thing that I thought was most powerful about the EMT, though, is that she clearly communicated that she thought what the cops did was wrong. So here is a person trained in dealing with medical emergencies, who saw what was going on with her own eyes, who is basically telling the jury the cops killed this guy. Plus, she intimated that she could’ve helped, and maybe even saved Floyd’s life.

While the exchange with the judge at the end was more than much ado about nothing, I don’t think the witness’ combativeness with defense counsel will detract from her testimony.

Lawyers (understandably) don’t like it when witnesses don’t answer the question, argue, and make speeches. Judges don’t like that either. And this witness was cautioned several times before the judge lectured her. He did that out of the presence of a jury, of course.

I don’t think the jury will take any points away from the witness because of any arguing she does. Yes, it appears she clearly is siding with the prosecution, but I think what comes across is that she is, in effect, an impartial arbiter of sorts who happened upon the scene who has concluded what the cop did was wrong. I can see that being very important to the jurors.

Having said all that, the witness would be smart if she stops violating the rules when her testimony resumes tomorrow.

Given the make up of this jury, however, I would be somewhat surprised if the cop is convicted on all charges. I think they will convict him of something, though, because what he did was clearly wrong in the sense of how juries view right and wrong. We shall see.

[Peter Brown]

Democrats love racial warfare. It keeps them in office.

Ignore.