Big Ten 2021

[jhu08]

Next year RoMo joins the SoCon

Atlantic Sun. But the rest of your post is spot on.

2022 alignments

SoCon:
Jacksonville
Mercer
High Point
Richmond
VMI
Hampton

ASun:
Robert Morris
Cleveland State
Detroit Mercy
Bellarmine
Air Force
Utah

[10stone5]

Robert Morris with the turnaround against Colgate,
they’re Indie this year, after all.

[Farfromgeneva]

Nope, got bounced from NEC (very similar in some ways to Bart getting booted from the PL in 04 in fact) when they made the move to Horizon for other sports, driven by basketball post NIT win over Kentucky,I guess asked about staying as affiliate member, like Hobart, and the schools said “pound sand bro”. So independent this year with a nasty schedule (wish we were playing them, NEC has each team playing their closest conference opponent by distance 2x which would’ve been RoMo for us but instead we have to play MSM 2x as next closest - apparently closer than Providence, Philly, Staten Island and Fairfield Co CT to Geneva which seems crazy).

Next year RoMo joins the SoCon but “we” (wasn’t a hobart influences decision) didn’t let them play this year out. Here’s their schedule:

2021 Schedule
02/07 @ Duke L 16-12
02/13 @ High Point L 21-15
02/21 @ Colgate Preview
02/23 vs Bellarmine PPD
02/27 @ Notre Dame Preview
03/13 @ Air Force Preview
03/20 @ Virginia Preview
04/03 @ Jacksonville Preview
04/10 vs Cleveland State Preview
04/17 @ Bucknell Preview
05/01 @ Utah Preview

interesting.
given their results thus far, i don't really see 1 and 9 or 2 and 8 in the cards.
and for an individual team's rpi, the game played is dropped for opponent's record.
almost as important (although not for weighting but because of dispersion) is opp opp record, and theirs should be pretty strong.

they finish 4 - 6 or 5-5, that's 4-5 or 5-4 on opponent's rec, with a potentially high number on opp opp.

it's playing teams with very bad record or average record and very bad opp opp (or of course poor both) that dings teams and leagues. right now, i'd give romo a very good chance of avoiding either.

When I consider how road weary they will be later in the season, and they like to run a lot, I see it like this (even though I think they’re like a 23-35 area team):

L - ND, Air Force, UVA & Bucknell
W - Cleveland State home game
Toss Up - @ Jax & @ Utah

Jax is earlier so I think they win that one but Pittsburg to Fl after playing UVA two weeks prior could get caught.

Utah also feels like they should win but Utah does have some talent I believe and it’s the last game of a nasty travel heavy year on 5/1 so like Jax I could see them getting caught especially late flying out to Utah.

Best case it’s 4-6 (4-6 w/o opponent game), but I could easily see 2-8, 3-7 given the circumstances and wouldn’t hold it against them but the math is less forgiving there.

[Farfromgeneva]

Next year RoMo joins the SoCon

Atlantic Sun. But the rest of your post is spot on.

2022 alignments

SoCon:
Jacksonville
Mercer
High Point
Richmond
VMI
Hampton

ASun:
Robert Morris
Cleveland State
Detroit Mercy
Bellarmine
Air Force
Utah

Yes sorry I knew they did that a few weeks ago but was lazy and thoughtless. Probably going to take me until around 2023 or so to not just lump all schools in both conferences as “SoCon schools”

And to add, while SoCon looks stronger w Rich & HPU at the top, I think the ASUn is actually a deeper, “better” overall composition for lacrosse.

[jhu08]

And to add, while SoCon looks stronger w Rich & HPU at the top, I think the ASUn is actually a deeper, “better” overall composition for lacrosse.

Yeah, I agree 100%.

VMI and Hampton are dead weight right now in lacrosse.

It might not be that way forever, but right now the ASun is the stronger overall of the two.

Utah could be quite good in maybe 5 years. They have the resources to be good nationally if they want to be.

[wgdsr]

Nope, got bounced from NEC (very similar in some ways to Bart getting booted from the PL in 04 in fact) when they made the move to Horizon for other sports, driven by basketball post NIT win over Kentucky,I guess asked about staying as affiliate member, like Hobart, and the schools said “pound sand bro”. So independent this year with a nasty schedule (wish we were playing them, NEC has each team playing their closest conference opponent by distance 2x which would’ve been RoMo for us but instead we have to play MSM 2x as next closest - apparently closer than Providence, Philly, Staten Island and Fairfield Co CT to Geneva which seems crazy).

Next year RoMo joins the SoCon but “we” (wasn’t a hobart influences decision) didn’t let them play this year out. Here’s their schedule:

2021 Schedule
02/07 @ Duke L 16-12
02/13 @ High Point L 21-15
02/21 @ Colgate Preview
02/23 vs Bellarmine PPD
02/27 @ Notre Dame Preview
03/13 @ Air Force Preview
03/20 @ Virginia Preview
04/03 @ Jacksonville Preview
04/10 vs Cleveland State Preview
04/17 @ Bucknell Preview
05/01 @ Utah Preview

interesting.
given their results thus far, i don't really see 1 and 9 or 2 and 8 in the cards.
and for an individual team's rpi, the game played is dropped for opponent's record.
almost as important (although not for weighting but because of dispersion) is opp opp record, and theirs should be pretty strong.

they finish 4 - 6 or 5-5, that's 4-5 or 5-4 on opponent's rec, with a potentially high number on opp opp.

it's playing teams with very bad record or average record and very bad opp opp (or of course poor both) that dings teams and leagues. right now, i'd give romo a very good chance of avoiding either.

When I consider how road weary they will be later in the season, and they like to run a lot, I see it like this (even though I think they’re like a 23-35 area team):

L - ND, Air Force, UVA & Bucknell
W - Cleveland State home game
Toss Up - @ Jax & @ Utah

Jax is earlier so I think they win that one but Pittsburg to Fl after playing UVA two weeks prior could get caught.

Utah also feels like they should win but Utah does have some talent I believe and it’s the last game of a nasty travel heavy year on 5/1 so like Jax I could see them getting caught especially late flying out to Utah.

Best case it’s 4-6 (4-6 w/o opponent game), but I could easily see 2-8, 3-7 given the circumstances and wouldn’t hold it against them but the math is less forgiving there.

we'll see!
air force might not be air force, they got trounced by denver and survived utah.
bucknell is not an auto loss.

i don't put the weight on road games you might.

the patriot, with not too long until conference play, might be in some good shape. though i just know what navy, army and loyola have done so far.

[AreaLax]

Freshman Player of the week Shane Knobloch of Rutgers
Recorded 2 goals in his collegiate debut
Was 1 of only 2 freshmen in the Big Ten to score

Specialist Player of the week is Colin Kirst of Rutgers
Registered a career-high 15 saves in his Rutgers debut
Added 2 ground balls
Made the most saves by any goalie in the Big Ten during opening weekend

Defensive #Player of the week is Nick Grill of Maryland
Helped anchor Maryland's defense in win over Michigan. Helped hold the Wolverines to 15 SOG
Registered a team-high 3 caused turnovers
Added 4 ground balls in the win

Offensive #Player of the week is Connor Kirst of Rutgers
Led Rutgers with 7 points (3 goals + 4 assists)
Scored Rutgers' 1st 2 goals of the game
Recorded 2 assists in the 4th quarter to help secure 11-9 victory

[molo]

If Maryland beats PSU convincingly Friday, the Big 10, will look like Maryland at the top, OSU and Rutgers in a pack, PSU and Hopkins in a pack, and Michigan at the bottom. If Penn State beats Maryland or loses close, then I’m inclined to see it as more of a four way tie with Hopkins and Michigan as outliers.

[gymman1031]

Predictions for this weekend's games?

Maryland @ Penn State
Hopkins @ Michigan
Rutgers @ Ohio State

[molo]

Maryland 16, Penn State 12
Hopkins 10, Michigan 6
Rutgers 14, Ohio State 13
I’m pretty confident about Hopkins over Michigan, fairly confident about Maryland over Penn State, and guessing about the RU-OSU game. Tough conference to predict this year.

[gymman1031]

Maryland 16, Penn State 12
Hopkins 10, Michigan 6
Rutgers 14, Ohio State 13
I’m pretty confident about Hopkins over Michigan, fairly confident about Maryland over Penn State, and guessing about the RU-OSU game. Tough conference to predict this year.

Are you predicting another disappointing season for Michigan?

[FlyEaglesFly]

The Hop Mich game is intriguing. I think Michigan is gonna be able to score vs the Hopkins D. We will see.

[molo]

Four of the teams in the conference that even an improved Michigan team would be hard pressed to place higher than fifth, and while Hopkins still has issues, they still should pick up a couple of wins versus the Wolverines.

[Wheels]

Predictions for this weekend's games?

Maryland @ Penn State
Hopkins @ Michigan
Rutgers @ Ohio State

Gonna go 18-11 MD, 15-13 Michigan, and 12-10 OSU.

Don't think PSU's defense can hold up. Michigan's offense is sneaky good. OSU has too much muscle on offense.

[courtdog]

MD 14 - PSU 11
Johns Hopkins 10 - Michigan 9
Rutgers 12 - OSU 10

[xxxxxxx]

Does a third place team in the Big10 with a 5-5 record deserve a bid to the NCAA, or even if they are 6-6 with a win and loss in Big10 Tournament?

[wgdsr]

Does a third place team in the Big10 with a 5-5 record deserve a bid to the NCAA, or even if they are 6-6 with a win and loss in Big10 Tournament?

lol. no.

[jrn19]

Does a third place team in the Big10 with a 5-5 record deserve a bid to the NCAA, or even if they are 6-6 with a win and loss in Big10 Tournament?

Depends on who they’ve beaten. If they’ve got 3 wins over Maryland/OSU/Rutgers; why not? It’s not like the bubble is gonna be deep this year

[xxxxxxx]

I disagree and think the bubble will be very deep. ACC is another question, they have all five teams in the top 10 but probably 2 will end up with losing records, do they get in? It's going to be a tough sell to send teams with 500 and losing records to the tourney, but I won't be shocked to see it. Big opportunities for Patriot, CAA, and others to send multiple teams.

[Farfromgeneva]

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑
Does a third place team in the Big10 with a 5-5 record deserve a bid to the NCAA, or even if they are 6-6 with a win and loss in Big10 Tournament?
Depends on who they’ve beaten. If they’ve got 3 wins over Maryland/OSU/Rutgers; why not? It’s not like the bubble is gonna be deep this year
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How does that happen with a five game conference only schedule?