I don't think taking the decision away from mothers is helping those mothers. Not a single mother would sleep any more soundly, perhaps less so. Being forced to watch day in and day out something you love suffer, or live meaninglessly, watching your resources drained away for meaningless life, jeopardizing the future of your other normal children is not going to help her one little bit.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:01 pmIMO, this is not about controlling women's lives, rather, taking the burden from the mothers who do make those decisions and then have to live with it forever.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:29 pm Enough of the strawman moralizing. This has got nothing to do with healthy "babies" being murdered because they are inconvient. This is about late term fetuses with with serious, quality of life issues, or health of the mother issues. Who in the f-you-see-kay are you or anyone else to make a medical decision for a mother faced with these kinds of decisions? I guaranttee you, the women making these decisions are torn apart making these decisions. A baby with no chance for a meaningful life is made to linger, society is made to spend resources -- your resources, which you complain about endlessly. You don't know the mother, you don't know the family but you are so sure that they are evil, they are making such decisions because it is inconvient. You should have to walk in their shoes. Everyone of these women would gladly trade places with your moralizing ass and let you deal with the issue AND THE CONSEQUENCES for you own "child" or "children".
Thankfully, late term abortions are exceedingly rare!
This dust up has nothing to do with the facts of the situation, they are just talking points of the nut fringe anti-abortion fascists who are determined to control womens' lives.
And a very similar strawman exists on the other side: We allow late term abortions for those rare occurrences when the pregnancy is deemed "Baby OR Mother." Why not require the mother and Dr do their best to bring the baby into the world? (Answer below)
I agree 100%. As I mentioned in my previous post. "You can't be pro life and pro death penalty."jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:49 amSame could be said for the death penalty for criminal offenses.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:39 pm What is wrong with staying on the side of “keep alive?”
The person themselves, those directly killed by others decisions should get a say in what is a “meaningful life.” Why does anyone get to make a decision to end someone else’s life?
That also includes people on life support. If the person on life support has no living will it’s not a doctor or family member’s place to “know what’s best” for them.
Keeping someone alive and trying to resuscitate makes the most sense and keeps all decisions simple. That puts no responsibility or weight on people to make a life or death decision.
Why is capital punishment, war, or abortion around at all?
hmm...
Oh right. For the sake of money and expediency.
Of course we could take money out of the equation, make the lump of protoplasam an expensive ward of the state.
