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Lots of wind power in chilly places like Canada, Greenland, Scandinavia, Germany, Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Minnesota, Colorado etc.

Seems like this is a Texas biff. Not a wind power problem.
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ggait wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:48 am Lots of wind power in chilly places like Canada, Greenland, Scandinavia, Germany, Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Minnesota, Colorado etc.

Seems like this is a Texas biff. Not a wind power problem.
JFTR what makes those propellers spin when the wind is not blowing? I believe that would be those fossil fuel mother effing back up turbine engines. Wind power is awesome, when the wind actually blows. Is the lack of wind also something you fruit loops can try and blame on CC.
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https://www.newgeography.com/content/00 ... r%20plants.

CHINA AND INDIA REJECTING RENEWABLES FOR COAL-FIRED FUTURES

"China isn’t embracing this “Green New Deal.” Chinese President Xi Jingping has touted his country’s transition to clean, carbon-free energy and electricity from renewables, but the facts show a much different energy reality. China accounts for roughly half the world’s coal consumption."

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-wi ... -the-2020s

Analysis: Will China build hundreds of new coal plants in the 2020s?

"Ahead of the FYP’s publication, powerful stakeholders, such as the network operator State Grid and industry body the China Electricity Council, are lobbying for targets that would allow hundreds of new coal-fired power stations to be built. And a recent update to the “traffic light system” for new coal-power construction signaled further relaxation of permitting."
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tech37 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:43 am https://www.newgeography.com/content/00 ... r%20plants.

CHINA AND INDIA REJECTING RENEWABLES FOR COAL-FIRED FUTURES

"China isn’t embracing this “Green New Deal.” Chinese President Xi Jingping has touted his country’s transition to clean, carbon-free energy and electricity from renewables, but the facts show a much different energy reality. China accounts for roughly half the world’s coal consumption."

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-wi ... -the-2020s

Analysis: Will China build hundreds of new coal plants in the 2020s?

"Ahead of the FYP’s publication, powerful stakeholders, such as the network operator State Grid and industry body the China Electricity Council, are lobbying for targets that would allow hundreds of new coal-fired power stations to be built. And a recent update to the “traffic light system” for new coal-power construction signaled further relaxation of permitting."
China is indeed an enormous and growing user of coal, as their economy has grown immensely, middle class has exploded, and energy usage has been skyrocketing.

https://chinapower.csis.org/energy-footprint/

However:

"China is the world’s largest investor in clean energy. Between 2013 and 2018, the country’s investments in renewables grew from $53.3 billion to an impressive peak of $125 billion. This figure has fallen in recent years, but in 2019 China’s investments still stood at $83.4 billion – roughly 23 percent of global renewable energy investment.

China is also becoming the largest market in the world for renewable energy. It is estimated that 1 in every 4 gigawatts of global renewable energy will be generated by China through 2040.

Due to large-scale investments in massive infrastructure projects, hydroelectric power has become China’s main source of renewable energy production. The controversial Three Gorges Dam, completed in 2012 at a cost of over $37 billion, is the largest hydroelectric dam in the world and boasts a generation capacity of 22,500 MW. The dam generates 60 percent more electricity than the second-largest hydropower dam, the Itaipu dam in Brazil and Paraguay.

Including the Three Gorges Dam, China has constructed 4 of the top 10 largest energy-producing hydroelectric dams in the world. From 2000 to 2017, China more than quintupled its generation of hydroelectricity, from 220.2 billion Kilowatt Hours (kWh) to 1,145.5 kWh. As a result of the Three Gorges Dam and other projects, China became the world leader in hydropower in 2014.

Over the past decade, China has also emerged as a global leader in wind and solar photovoltaic (PV) energy. China’s electricity generated by wind power accounted for just 2.1 percent of its total consumption in 2012, compared to 3.7 in the United States and 9.4 percent in Germany. By 2018, China’s wind-energy generation surged to 366 billion kWh, a 24.1 percent increase from the previous year. As a result, China accounted for over a quarter of global wind-energy generation in 2018.

When you look at a one percentage delta in terms of Chinese GDP growth rate in either direction, that one percent change in their GDP growth rate can translate into the energy consumption of a large country like Brazil.
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In solar PV, China is both the leading supplier and consumer. Due to rapidly decreasing costs, aggressive policy incentives, and low-interest loans from local governments, China has dramatically increased its production of solar panels. In 2014, China became the world’s largest producer of solar panels, and a year later it surpassed Germany’s solar power generation capacity.

China is home to two-thirds of the world’s solar-production capacity. The future development of China’s solar industry, however, has been called into question. Due to an over-saturated domestic market, Beijing halted all new solar projects and lowered tariffs on imported clean energy in June 2018. Additionally, the ongoing trade dispute between the US and China could further disrupt China’s solar panel industry. In January 2018, President Donald Trump announced a 30 percent tariff on solar panel imports from China. 1
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This finger pointing at the Green New Deal, which hasn't even passed, as somehow related to the CF in Texas, is ridiculous....and perhaps even worse.

This is a gross failure to properly regulate a public good industry. One can push back against unnecessary, duplicative regulations that impact businesses with no such public good dynamic, but this is exactly when regulation is indeed necessary.

Not only is it a mismanagement problem, solely the responsibility of the GOP in Texas over multiple of decades, it is also a reflection of a failure of the underlying ideology.

But we're even beyond that. This is now about the rejection of truth and science.

Green New Deal and clean energy sources are the problem...
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https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... on-figures

What Is Going On With China’s Crazy Clean Energy Installation Figures?

Analysts have been left dumbfounded after China last month released official 2020 wind and solar installation figures that were seemingly too big to be true.
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tech37 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:11 am https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... on-figures

What Is Going On With China’s Crazy Clean Energy Installation Figures?

Analysts have been left dumbfounded after China last month released official 2020 wind and solar installation figures that were seemingly too big to be true.
Sounds like they made some counting changes, pushed some counting into 2020 that should be 2021...under all the estimates they were continuing to add massively to their capacity, but this specific set of numbers appears to be beyond what was actually happening in the time period...the article also mentions that perhaps they included capacity connected to the grid in 2020 but built earlier....basically a double count.

Wouldn't be surprised if some heads will roll if this was indeed an f-up in the accounting, though that won't likely get much attention beyond in China itself.

The Chinese gov't is an enormous bureaucracy, with a predilection of middle managers trying to get ahead by pleasing their superiors (or not displeasing them), and superiors pushing the system to perform to objectives, resulting all too often in embracing mistakes or worse (wuhan). Our system has similar dysfunctions of course, but the repercussions in China tend to be far more severe. A screw up there can lead to thousands losing their jobs, and being relegated thereafter to menial work in comparison. And at the senior levels, Xi keeps purging anyone he deems insufficiently loyal to him or who screw up in some way, all in the name of "corruption reform" which has two meanings: yes, the first deals with corruption and incompetence, but the second is all about unifying power behind Xi.
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r's on this thread will not admit that they were wrong to blame renewable energy for current Texas problems. No shocker there.

I have a friend now lucky enough to be in a hotel with heat, but no water. They have been going to the swimming pool, breaking the ice, to get water to flush toilets...

Where is teddy cruz now? Mexico of course...

Only the strong will survive...

Good governance is not just saying "NO" and blaming the other guy...
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tech37 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:11 am https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... on-figures

What Is Going On With China’s Crazy Clean Energy Installation Figures?

Analysts have been left dumbfounded after China last month released official 2020 wind and solar installation figures that were seemingly too big to be true.
The truly stunning aspect is that some folks on this forum actually believe anything the Chicoms say. The Chicoms don't give a flying fig about saving the planet. The day some of our esteemed environmental advocates on this forum journey to Chicom land and tell the Chicom leadership of the errors of their ways I will be very impressed. We will never see them or hear from them again, but i will still be very impressed at the effort. I only hope that Mr MD Lax has the bold enough leadership initiative to lead the environmental advocacy group into Communist China. I'm sure his leadership skills will change the hearts and minds of the leaders of Communist China to understand the errors of their ways. :D
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Re: Climate Change & The Environment: A Green New Deal

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cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:54 am
tech37 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:11 am https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... on-figures

What Is Going On With China’s Crazy Clean Energy Installation Figures?

Analysts have been left dumbfounded after China last month released official 2020 wind and solar installation figures that were seemingly too big to be true.
The truly stunning aspect is that some folks on this forum actually believe anything the Chicoms say. The Chicoms don't give a flying fig about saving the planet. The day some of our esteemed environmental advocates on this forum journey to Chicom land and tell the Chicom leadership of the errors of their ways I will be very impressed. We will never see them or hear from them again, but i will still be very impressed at the effort. I only hope that Mr MD Lax has the bold enough leadership initiative to lead the environmental advocacy group into Communist China. I'm sure his leadership skills will change the hearts and minds of the leaders of Communist China to understand the errors of their ways. :D
I added the following above, apparently as you were trolling me...

Wouldn't be surprised if some heads will roll if this was indeed an f-up in the accounting, though that won't likely get much attention beyond in China itself.

The Chinese gov't is an enormous bureaucracy, with a predilection of middle managers trying to get ahead by pleasing their superiors (or not displeasing them), and superiors pushing the system to perform to objectives, resulting all too often in embracing mistakes or worse (wuhan). Our system has similar dysfunctions of course, but the repercussions in China tend to be far more severe. A screw up there can lead to thousands losing their jobs, and being relegated thereafter to menial work in comparison. And at the senior levels, Xi keeps purging anyone he deems insufficiently loyal to him or who screw up in some way, all in the name of "corruption reform" which has two meanings: yes, the first deals with corruption and incompetence, but the second is all about unifying power behind Xi.


On the substance of your comment, I agree that we shouldn't mistake China's commitment to leadership in clean energy to be one driven by "caring about the planet". Xi cares about power and everything he does is coldly calculated to achieve objectives that enable that continuation.

Clean energy is essential to that objective.
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Re: Climate Change & The Environment: A Green New Deal

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CU88 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:45 am r's on this thread will not admit that they were wrong to blame renewable energy for current Texas problems. No shocker there.

I have a friend now lucky enough to be in a hotel with heat, but no water. They have been going to the swimming pool, breaking the ice, to get water to flush toilets...

Where is teddy cruz now? Mexico of course...

Only the strong will survive...

Good governance is not just saying "NO" and blaming the other guy...
Sorry there cuz. i have lived in Upstate NY long enough to know that s**t happens every winter. No body blames Chuck Schumer and the other blond bimbo senator. They understand that s**t happens. Texas has to deal with this every 40 years or more. We deal with this every winter of every single year. Pardon me if my heart does not go out to the people that run Texas. I don't honestly care about how the people that run Texas figure this mess out. I'm more concerned about what the next chitstorm here in Upstate NY will bring.
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Re: Climate Change & The Environment: A Green New Deal

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:54 am
tech37 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:11 am https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... on-figures

What Is Going On With China’s Crazy Clean Energy Installation Figures?

Analysts have been left dumbfounded after China last month released official 2020 wind and solar installation figures that were seemingly too big to be true.
The truly stunning aspect is that some folks on this forum actually believe anything the Chicoms say. The Chicoms don't give a flying fig about saving the planet. The day some of our esteemed environmental advocates on this forum journey to Chicom land and tell the Chicom leadership of the errors of their ways I will be very impressed. We will never see them or hear from them again, but i will still be very impressed at the effort. I only hope that Mr MD Lax has the bold enough leadership initiative to lead the environmental advocacy group into Communist China. I'm sure his leadership skills will change the hearts and minds of the leaders of Communist China to understand the errors of their ways. :D
I added the following above, apparently as you were trolling me...

Wouldn't be surprised if some heads will roll if this was indeed an f-up in the accounting, though that won't likely get much attention beyond in China itself.

The Chinese gov't is an enormous bureaucracy, with a predilection of middle managers trying to get ahead by pleasing their superiors (or not displeasing them), and superiors pushing the system to perform to objectives, resulting all too often in embracing mistakes or worse (wuhan). Our system has similar dysfunctions of course, but the repercussions in China tend to be far more severe. A screw up there can lead to thousands losing their jobs, and being relegated thereafter to menial work in comparison. And at the senior levels, Xi keeps purging anyone he deems insufficiently loyal to him or who screw up in some way, all in the name of "corruption reform" which has two meanings: yes, the first deals with corruption and incompetence, but the second is all about unifying power behind Xi.
Damn it MD, i have no trolling gear. I told you before i am a hook, worm and bobber kind of fisherman. If you want believe the horsechit the chi coms put forward then maybe you should look at their government the same way you looked at trump and disbelieved what he had to say. The Chi coms don't give a chit about saving the planet. That is why I recommended you to go over there and use your negotiating skills to change some hearts and minds over there. What is up? Your not feeling up to the challenge? IMO you would make a gorgeous lampshade.
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Re: Climate Change & The Environment: A Green New Deal

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cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:08 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:54 am
tech37 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:11 am https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... on-figures

What Is Going On With China’s Crazy Clean Energy Installation Figures?

Analysts have been left dumbfounded after China last month released official 2020 wind and solar installation figures that were seemingly too big to be true.
The truly stunning aspect is that some folks on this forum actually believe anything the Chicoms say. The Chicoms don't give a flying fig about saving the planet. The day some of our esteemed environmental advocates on this forum journey to Chicom land and tell the Chicom leadership of the errors of their ways I will be very impressed. We will never see them or hear from them again, but i will still be very impressed at the effort. I only hope that Mr MD Lax has the bold enough leadership initiative to lead the environmental advocacy group into Communist China. I'm sure his leadership skills will change the hearts and minds of the leaders of Communist China to understand the errors of their ways. :D
I added the following above, apparently as you were trolling me...

Wouldn't be surprised if some heads will roll if this was indeed an f-up in the accounting, though that won't likely get much attention beyond in China itself.

The Chinese gov't is an enormous bureaucracy, with a predilection of middle managers trying to get ahead by pleasing their superiors (or not displeasing them), and superiors pushing the system to perform to objectives, resulting all too often in embracing mistakes or worse (wuhan). Our system has similar dysfunctions of course, but the repercussions in China tend to be far more severe. A screw up there can lead to thousands losing their jobs, and being relegated thereafter to menial work in comparison. And at the senior levels, Xi keeps purging anyone he deems insufficiently loyal to him or who screw up in some way, all in the name of "corruption reform" which has two meanings: yes, the first deals with corruption and incompetence, but the second is all about unifying power behind Xi.


On the substance of your comment, I agree that we shouldn't mistake China's commitment to leadership in clean energy to be one driven by "caring about the planet". Xi cares about power and everything he does is coldly calculated to achieve objectives that enable that continuation.

Clean energy is essential to that objective.
Damn it MD, i have no trolling gear. I told you before i am a hook, worm and bobber kind of fisherman. If you want believe the horsechit the chi coms put forward then maybe you should look at their government the same way you looked at trump and disbelieved what he had to say. The Chi coms don't give a chit about saving the planet. That is why I recommended you to go over there and use your negotiating skills to change some hearts and minds over there. What is up? Your not feeling up to the challenge? IMO you would make a gorgeous lampshade.
And again you don't bother to even read what I write.
The only thing you care about is insulting others.
But at least read and comprehend what others say...otherwise you just look like another loudmouth idiot popping off wildly.
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by cradleandshoot » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:57 am
Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
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Re: Climate Change & The Environment: A Green New Deal

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cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:06 am
ggait wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:48 am Lots of wind power in chilly places like Canada, Greenland, Scandinavia, Germany, Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Minnesota, Colorado etc.

Seems like this is a Texas biff. Not a wind power problem.
JFTR what makes those propellers spin when the wind is not blowing? I believe that would be those fossil fuel mother effing back up turbine engines. Wind power is awesome, when the wind actually blows. Is the lack of wind also something you fruit loops can try and blame on CC.
They don't spin when there's no wind. So you throw in solar, geothermal, nuclear, smart hydroelectric, other renewable options, add in a variety of energy storage methods, and have fossil fuels still available to use if we want/need.

People aren't advocating that we only use wind power.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:12 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:08 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:54 am
tech37 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:11 am https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... on-figures

What Is Going On With China’s Crazy Clean Energy Installation Figures?

Analysts have been left dumbfounded after China last month released official 2020 wind and solar installation figures that were seemingly too big to be true.
The truly stunning aspect is that some folks on this forum actually believe anything the Chicoms say. The Chicoms don't give a flying fig about saving the planet. The day some of our esteemed environmental advocates on this forum journey to Chicom land and tell the Chicom leadership of the errors of their ways I will be very impressed. We will never see them or hear from them again, but i will still be very impressed at the effort. I only hope that Mr MD Lax has the bold enough leadership initiative to lead the environmental advocacy group into Communist China. I'm sure his leadership skills will change the hearts and minds of the leaders of Communist China to understand the errors of their ways. :D
I added the following above, apparently as you were trolling me...

Wouldn't be surprised if some heads will roll if this was indeed an f-up in the accounting, though that won't likely get much attention beyond in China itself.

The Chinese gov't is an enormous bureaucracy, with a predilection of middle managers trying to get ahead by pleasing their superiors (or not displeasing them), and superiors pushing the system to perform to objectives, resulting all too often in embracing mistakes or worse (wuhan). Our system has similar dysfunctions of course, but the repercussions in China tend to be far more severe. A screw up there can lead to thousands losing their jobs, and being relegated thereafter to menial work in comparison. And at the senior levels, Xi keeps purging anyone he deems insufficiently loyal to him or who screw up in some way, all in the name of "corruption reform" which has two meanings: yes, the first deals with corruption and incompetence, but the second is all about unifying power behind Xi.


On the substance of your comment, I agree that we shouldn't mistake China's commitment to leadership in clean energy to be one driven by "caring about the planet". Xi cares about power and everything he does is coldly calculated to achieve objectives that enable that continuation.

Clean energy is essential to that objective.
Damn it MD, i have no trolling gear. I told you before i am a hook, worm and bobber kind of fisherman. If you want believe the horsechit the chi coms put forward then maybe you should look at their government the same way you looked at trump and disbelieved what he had to say. The Chi coms don't give a chit about saving the planet. That is why I recommended you to go over there and use your negotiating skills to change some hearts and minds over there. What is up? Your not feeling up to the challenge? IMO you would make a gorgeous lampshade.
And again you don't bother to even read what I write.
The only thing you care about is insulting others.
But at least read and comprehend what others say...otherwise you just look like another loudmouth idiot popping off wildly.
I will respond and be more mellow, heaven knows I don't want to upset your extremely sensitive nature. My reading comprehension is fine. i read and understood every single bit of horsechit you wrote. That is why I volunteered you to go over to China and meet with Xi so you can use you powers of persuasion to change his ways. Is it INSULTING to you that i want you to represent the USA and talk face to face with Xi? You are the person who believes what he says and looks the other way as to he actually does. I'm not insulting you, that would be bullying. I'm just calling you out on your own words. You trust the chicoms as to what they say publicly regarding CCBS. I must rephrase my doubts in a more respectful and non bullying manner... why do you trust what Xi says? You did not trust anything trump said. Why would you trust anything the leader of the Chicoms has to say? The only thing I can think of is that Xi is saying what you want to hear. Why you would believe anything Xi has to say about clean energy is beyond me. I guess you are just trusting soul at heart. :roll:
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We all know that the cure is for Biden to go and throw paper towel rolls at Texans...
by cradleandshoot » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:57 am
Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:37 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:12 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:08 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:54 am
tech37 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:11 am https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... on-figures

What Is Going On With China’s Crazy Clean Energy Installation Figures?

Analysts have been left dumbfounded after China last month released official 2020 wind and solar installation figures that were seemingly too big to be true.
The truly stunning aspect is that some folks on this forum actually believe anything the Chicoms say. The Chicoms don't give a flying fig about saving the planet. The day some of our esteemed environmental advocates on this forum journey to Chicom land and tell the Chicom leadership of the errors of their ways I will be very impressed. We will never see them or hear from them again, but i will still be very impressed at the effort. I only hope that Mr MD Lax has the bold enough leadership initiative to lead the environmental advocacy group into Communist China. I'm sure his leadership skills will change the hearts and minds of the leaders of Communist China to understand the errors of their ways. :D
I added the following above, apparently as you were trolling me...

Wouldn't be surprised if some heads will roll if this was indeed an f-up in the accounting, though that won't likely get much attention beyond in China itself.

The Chinese gov't is an enormous bureaucracy, with a predilection of middle managers trying to get ahead by pleasing their superiors (or not displeasing them), and superiors pushing the system to perform to objectives, resulting all too often in embracing mistakes or worse (wuhan). Our system has similar dysfunctions of course, but the repercussions in China tend to be far more severe. A screw up there can lead to thousands losing their jobs, and being relegated thereafter to menial work in comparison. And at the senior levels, Xi keeps purging anyone he deems insufficiently loyal to him or who screw up in some way, all in the name of "corruption reform" which has two meanings: yes, the first deals with corruption and incompetence, but the second is all about unifying power behind Xi.


On the substance of your comment, I agree that we shouldn't mistake China's commitment to leadership in clean energy to be one driven by "caring about the planet". Xi cares about power and everything he does is coldly calculated to achieve objectives that enable that continuation.

Clean energy is essential to that objective.
Damn it MD, i have no trolling gear. I told you before i am a hook, worm and bobber kind of fisherman. If you want believe the horsechit the chi coms put forward then maybe you should look at their government the same way you looked at trump and disbelieved what he had to say. The Chi coms don't give a chit about saving the planet. That is why I recommended you to go over there and use your negotiating skills to change some hearts and minds over there. What is up? Your not feeling up to the challenge? IMO you would make a gorgeous lampshade.
And again you don't bother to even read what I write.
The only thing you care about is insulting others.
But at least read and comprehend what others say...otherwise you just look like another loudmouth idiot popping off wildly.
I will respond and be more mellow, heaven knows I don't want to upset your extremely sensitive nature. My reading comprehension is fine. i read and understood every single bit of horsechit you wrote. That is why I volunteered you to go over to China and meet with Xi so you can use you powers of persuasion to change his ways. Is it INSULTING to you that i want you to represent the USA and talk face to face with Xi? You are the person who believes what he says and looks the other way as to he actually does. I'm not insulting you, that would be bullying. I'm just calling you out on your own words. You trust the chicoms as to what they say publicly regarding CCBS. I must rephrase my doubts in a more respectful and non bullying manner... why do you trust what Xi says? You did not trust anything trump said. Why would you trust anything the leader of the Chicoms has to say? The only thing I can think of is that Xi is saying what you want to hear. Why you would believe anything Xi has to say about clean energy is beyond me. I guess you are just trusting soul at heart. :roll:
Why China’s Renewable Energy Transition Is Losing Momentum

And

China’s plan to cut coal and boost green growth

Innovations in energy-storage technology are a mainstay of the nation’s bid to reduce its reliance on fossil fuels.


We will see where it goes (maybe).
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Re: Climate Change & The Environment: A Green New Deal

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holmes435 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:31 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:06 am
ggait wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:48 am Lots of wind power in chilly places like Canada, Greenland, Scandinavia, Germany, Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Minnesota, Colorado etc.

Seems like this is a Texas biff. Not a wind power problem.
JFTR what makes those propellers spin when the wind is not blowing? I believe that would be those fossil fuel mother effing back up turbine engines. Wind power is awesome, when the wind actually blows. Is the lack of wind also something you fruit loops can try and blame on CC.
They don't spin when there's no wind. So you throw in solar, geothermal, nuclear, smart hydroelectric, other renewable options, add in a variety of energy storage methods, and have fossil fuels still available to use if we want/need.

People aren't advocating that we only use wind power.
You are a man after my own heart. Nuclear and geothermal are awesome additions to the clean energy conversation. Three years ago we bought a new furnace and central air unit for our house. I talked with our HVAC guy about putting in a geothermal system. If i was as rich as most of you folks on this forum i would have done so. The estimate, with no possible rebates from the state included was around 30 thousand dollars. The compromise is we spent about 5 thousand for a new furnace and AC unit. With pencil and paper it would have taken us about 30 years to the point where the geothermal system would have paid off. I also this fall had an estimate from the folks at a very reputable company that makes their own composite replacement windows. i want to put a new window in the bathroom to replace the window we have had issues with. That window is 12 years old and cost about 250 dollars when we purchased the whole lot of new windows. The estimate for one window 32" x 36" was almost 2400 dollars. After I picked myself up off the floor and thanked the man for his time i remembered something our guy told me when we purchased the original windows. He told us you can buy the best window out there. When you put that window in a 60 year old house you simply can't get the ROI to justify spending twice as much per window. It just will not work. If you are building a brand new house, and money is not the object, put in a geothermal system and install those state of the art composite windows and do the spray foam insulation in all of your walls. That makes perfect sense, if your rich like the folks who post on here. If your not, then sadly life is a compromise when you live in the real world. I ordered the new window for my bathroom that I will install myself. 286 dollars with a 10 year warranty. I hope I am not endangering the planet by living within my means. Unless any one out there wants to pony up 2 grand so i can buy the green energy saving composite window. ;)
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Re: Climate Change & The Environment: A Green New Deal

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CU88 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:57 am We all know that the cure is for Biden to go and throw paper towel rolls at Texans...
I think they may have a more pressing need to have TP rolls thrown at them. Much better for wiping your hiney with :o
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