Progressive Ideology

[old salt]

Yes, it's time the govt tells Facebook, Google, Twitter what to do.

Well, at least you're not in denial as to what you want to happen. We'll see how long this pro-government mentality lasts when the D's are making these calls.

Which companies are next, tech? Can the left get in power and break up FoxNews? Or tell them what shows and stories to run?

You keep claiming you're not a Republican----but you sure do like everything they do. If you could wake Ronnie Reagan up----you'd have to explain it to him a few dozens times before he told you to F off if you think it's a good idea to make the government FORCE Facebook to publish what someone else wants them to publish.


"The Squad", that upsets you to no end, would like nothing more than to use your idea of telling corporations and companies what they can and cannot do.....

You miss the point -- he's for protecting free speech, not restricting it, as the Big Tech companies are now doing.

Oh, I get it. You and tech clearly don't.

You guys are thrilled at the idea of Republicans regulating companies that they think were mean to Trump. You think sticking it to who you think are the libs is cool, so you'll tolerate government intervention.

What happens when you give this regulatory power to AOC and her ilk, fellas? Whoops, forgot about that.

You're thinking like 2020 Republicans: you're willing to take "someone else's" freedoms away, thinking that it won't happen to you.

Why do you think the 230 reforms are shelved, fellas? Because now that idiot Trump is out of the way, ACTUAL conservatives are realizing that they can't "stick it to the libs" with 230 reform, without sticking it to things that Republicans actually like.

Respectfully, neither of you have though this through. Who's in charge of legislation the next two years, fellas? AOC and company would LOVE to regulate Multinational corporations, if Pelosi would let her. And you're both telling me you're giving her the green light? Good luck with that.

How many of AOC's squad members have had their accounts shut down ?

[foreverlax]

Yes, it's time the govt tells Facebook, Google, Twitter what to do.

Well, at least you're not in denial as to what you want to happen. We'll see how long this pro-government mentality lasts when the D's are making these calls.

Which companies are next, tech? Can the left get in power and break up FoxNews? Or tell them what shows and stories to run?

You keep claiming you're not a Republican----but you sure do like everything they do. If you could wake Ronnie Reagan up----you'd have to explain it to him a few dozens times before he told you to F off if you think it's a good idea to make the government FORCE Facebook to publish what someone else wants them to publish.


"The Squad", that upsets you to no end, would like nothing more than to use your idea of telling corporations and companies what they can and cannot do.....

Check out The Social Dilemma...I think we are too late in dealing with this issue....which is only part of the issue regarding these companies.

[old salt]

Yes, it's time the govt tells Facebook, Google, Twitter what to do.

Well, at least you're not in denial as to what you want to happen. We'll see how long this pro-government mentality lasts when the D's are making these calls.

Which companies are next, tech? Can the left get in power and break up FoxNews? Or tell them what shows and stories to run?

You keep claiming you're not a Republican----but you sure do like everything they do. If you could wake Ronnie Reagan up----you'd have to explain it to him a few dozens times before he told you to F off if you think it's a good idea to make the government FORCE Facebook to publish what someone else wants them to publish.


"The Squad", that upsets you to no end, would like nothing more than to use your idea of telling corporations and companies what they can and cannot do.....

You miss the point -- he's for protecting free speech, not restricting it, as the Big Tech companies are now doing.

ok Q.

You appear to have moved on from your Russia boogeyman non-substantive trolling personal insult.
Q is your new over-blown boogeyman. Better luck this time.

[Farfromgeneva]

Yes, it's time the govt tells Facebook, Google, Twitter what to do.

Well, at least you're not in denial as to what you want to happen. We'll see how long this pro-government mentality lasts when the D's are making these calls.

Which companies are next, tech? Can the left get in power and break up FoxNews? Or tell them what shows and stories to run?

You keep claiming you're not a Republican----but you sure do like everything they do. If you could wake Ronnie Reagan up----you'd have to explain it to him a few dozens times before he told you to F off if you think it's a good idea to make the government FORCE Facebook to publish what someone else wants them to publish.


"The Squad", that upsets you to no end, would like nothing more than to use your idea of telling corporations and companies what they can and cannot do.....

You miss the point -- he's for protecting free speech, not restricting it, as the Big Tech companies are now doing.

No it’s not, completely incorrect. Corporations were ruled as citizens in a Supreme Court case regarding donations. This would be a restriction of their rights consistent with the position conservatives held for many moons and supported in the courts. What corporations are not? The government. Completely off the mark and don’t get it.

[old salt]

Yes, it's time the govt tells Facebook, Google, Twitter what to do.

Well, at least you're not in denial as to what you want to happen. We'll see how long this pro-government mentality lasts when the D's are making these calls.

Which companies are next, tech? Can the left get in power and break up FoxNews? Or tell them what shows and stories to run?

You keep claiming you're not a Republican----but you sure do like everything they do. If you could wake Ronnie Reagan up----you'd have to explain it to him a few dozens times before he told you to F off if you think it's a good idea to make the government FORCE Facebook to publish what someone else wants them to publish.


"The Squad", that upsets you to no end, would like nothing more than to use your idea of telling corporations and companies what they can and cannot do.....

Check out The Social Dilemma...I think we are too late in dealing with this issue....which is only part of the issue regarding these companies.

So much of our toxic discourse is the result of social media, but selective censorship is not the solution.

[Farfromgeneva]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrew ... 320c1d10b3

"Forbes reviewed data from the Program on Extremism at the George Washington University, which has collated a list of more than 200 charging documents filed in relation to the siege. In total, the charging documents refer to 223 individuals in the Capitol Hill riot investigation. Of those documents, 73 reference Facebook. That’s far more references than other social networks. YouTube was the second most-referenced on 24. Instagram, a Facebook-owned company, was next on 20. Parler, the app that pledged protection for free speech rights and garnered a large far-right userbase, was mentioned in just eight."

Ya und??

Just lookin out for "free speech."

And this article puts to rest the lies advanced by the left that Parler was the insurrectionist's main platform to communicate/plan and the basis for the app's removal.

FTR: You won't find me on any social media but Fanlax.

Others have responded to other aspects of this nonsense, but your post does bring a question to mind: where have you seen the "left" advancing the notion, much less "lies" that "the insurrectionist's main platform to communicate/plan.." ??? Not here on Fanlax certainly...BTW, didn't you send me to Youtube for a podcast you follow? How'd you find that?

Everything I've read, heard, whether from the "left" or otherwise was that FaceBook groups was the heaviest used area, but certainly not the only one.

When Twitter and Facebook (and it's other platforms) began to crack down on violent organizing and phony identities etc, there was a concerted effort to reestablish on Parler...that was where these groups were directing their followers to move....and it began to grow and metastasize fast...with Parler (founded by a right wing whack job) openly declaring that all such were welcome to do and say whatever they wanted...even in the midst and wake of the violent insurrection.

But organizing on Parler was just starting, relatively speaking.

Want to get to the worst of it, need to go deeper dark web. But the vast majority of outreach was where the recruited converts already were...Facebook, etc.

Who owns YouTube? I forgot.

[old salt]

Yes, it's time the govt tells Facebook, Google, Twitter what to do.

Well, at least you're not in denial as to what you want to happen. We'll see how long this pro-government mentality lasts when the D's are making these calls.

Which companies are next, tech? Can the left get in power and break up FoxNews? Or tell them what shows and stories to run?

You keep claiming you're not a Republican----but you sure do like everything they do. If you could wake Ronnie Reagan up----you'd have to explain it to him a few dozens times before he told you to F off if you think it's a good idea to make the government FORCE Facebook to publish what someone else wants them to publish.


"The Squad", that upsets you to no end, would like nothing more than to use your idea of telling corporations and companies what they can and cannot do.....

You miss the point -- he's for protecting free speech, not restricting it, as the Big Tech companies are now doing.

No it’s not, completely incorrect. Corporations were ruled as citizens in a Supreme Court case regarding donations. This would be a restriction of their rights consistent with the position conservatives held for many moons and supported in the courts. What corporations are not? The government. Completely off the mark and don’t get it.

That's why the anti-trust argument is gaining traction.

[a fan]

How many of AOC's squad members have had their accounts shut down ?

I'm assuming you mean actual lefties.

They're censored and sent to FB jail all the time. And post with a "fact check" attached.

Know how I know this? Because I have actual lefties in my social media stream.

FoxNation doesn't want to hear this.


But in any event----that's none of your business. That's up to twitter and facebook.

Remember when you were growing up in the 60's, Old Salt, and the radical left was complaining that American Media----TV, magazines, newspapers----- were a tool for the right, and the American war machine, and was essentially just toeing the government line? Yeah. Well, they weren't wrong. But so what? They own the "presses", whether that means print or radio or TV waves....they get to make the call in America.

And yet, did Conservative America demand that the Big Three be broken up so that we could (snicker) "hear from the liberals"?

And did any of your pals call for breaking up the big three TV networks? Did they say "boy, American TV has too powerful an effect on free speech...we're not hearing from different views".

I'm sure they just "forgot" to do that.

[tech37]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrew ... 320c1d10b3

"Forbes reviewed data from the Program on Extremism at the George Washington University, which has collated a list of more than 200 charging documents filed in relation to the siege. In total, the charging documents refer to 223 individuals in the Capitol Hill riot investigation. Of those documents, 73 reference Facebook. That’s far more references than other social networks. YouTube was the second most-referenced on 24. Instagram, a Facebook-owned company, was next on 20. Parler, the app that pledged protection for free speech rights and garnered a large far-right userbase, was mentioned in just eight."

Ya und??

Just lookin out for "free speech."

And this article puts to rest the lies advanced by the left that Parler was the insurrectionist's main platform to communicate/plan and the basis for the app's removal.

FTR: You won't find me on any social media but Fanlax.

Others have responded to other aspects of this nonsense, but your post does bring a question to mind: where have you seen the "left" advancing the notion, much less "lies" that "the insurrectionist's main platform to communicate/plan.." ??? Not here on Fanlax certainly...BTW, didn't you send me to YouTube for a podcast you follow? How'd you find that?

Everything I've read, heard, whether from the "left" or otherwise was that FaceBook groups was the heaviest used area, but certainly not the only one.

When Twitter and Facebook (and it's other platforms) began to crack down on violent organizing and phony identities etc, there was a concerted effort to reestablish on Parler...that was where these groups were directing their followers to move....and it began to grow and metastasize fast...with Parler (founded by a right wing whack job) openly declaring that all such were welcome to do and say whatever they wanted...even in the midst and wake of the violent insurrection.

But organizing on Parler was just starting, relatively speaking.

Want to get to the worst of it, need to go deeper dark web. But the vast majority of outreach was where the recruited converts already were...Facebook, etc.

That's right and most of the podcasts I follow on YouTube have expressed concern that they may be next.

[a fan]

Yes, it's time the govt tells Facebook, Google, Twitter what to do.

Well, at least you're not in denial as to what you want to happen. We'll see how long this pro-government mentality lasts when the D's are making these calls.

Which companies are next, tech? Can the left get in power and break up FoxNews? Or tell them what shows and stories to run?

You keep claiming you're not a Republican----but you sure do like everything they do. If you could wake Ronnie Reagan up----you'd have to explain it to him a few dozens times before he told you to F off if you think it's a good idea to make the government FORCE Facebook to publish what someone else wants them to publish.


"The Squad", that upsets you to no end, would like nothing more than to use your idea of telling corporations and companies what they can and cannot do.....

You miss the point -- he's for protecting free speech, not restricting it, as the Big Tech companies are now doing.

No it’s not, completely incorrect. Corporations were ruled as citizens in a Supreme Court case regarding donations. This would be a restriction of their rights consistent with the position conservatives held for many moons and supported in the courts. What corporations are not? The government. Completely off the mark and don’t get it.

That's why the anti-trust argument is gaining traction.

Works for me. Be careful what you ask for......you just might get it. Your team may not be making this call, you know.....

[cradleandshoot]

Yup, there are lots of Q followers and white supremacists out there who think Parler is being "censored"...lots of company in that crowd...millions...woe is me.

We're seeing editorial choices beginning to be more frequently made by the big platforms, as they can see the horrible impact their algorithms have had "editorially" directing the most extreme content to those most likely to be drawn further down the rabbit holes of extremism.

The large orgs know they will be targeted for regulation and/or breakup if they don't mediate the worst impacts of their core money making system ...and now...

Likewise, it's a rather existential threat also to the cloud services if they don't get on the stick of non-participation in enabling the affordable reach to billions of prospective people of the most harmful content...they're way behind on this need as well, so I would expect them to go after all sorts of nefarious activities and orgs over time, particularly those which aren't regulating themselves for hyper extremism/violence ala Parler.

Big efforts need to be made in human trafficking, violent/abusive porn and trafficking etc.

Technology has moved fast and is only accelerating, and we're just at the beginning of recognizing the downsides that need to be addressed.

Do you check for all those Q monsters hiding under your bed before you go to sleep every night? Those new state of the art LED flashlights will help you see into all those nooks and crannies and make sure your bed is monster free. Who was the Q guy behind the grassy knoll on that fateful November day in Dallas in 1963?

Probably hiding out with those deep state phantoms some folks around here believe in.

That could be, there are alot of scary monsters hiding out under peoples beds.

[Farfromgeneva]

Yes, it's time the govt tells Facebook, Google, Twitter what to do.

Well, at least you're not in denial as to what you want to happen. We'll see how long this pro-government mentality lasts when the D's are making these calls.

Which companies are next, tech? Can the left get in power and break up FoxNews? Or tell them what shows and stories to run?

You keep claiming you're not a Republican----but you sure do like everything they do. If you could wake Ronnie Reagan up----you'd have to explain it to him a few dozens times before he told you to F off if you think it's a good idea to make the government FORCE Facebook to publish what someone else wants them to publish.


"The Squad", that upsets you to no end, would like nothing more than to use your idea of telling corporations and companies what they can and cannot do.....

You miss the point -- he's for protecting free speech, not restricting it, as the Big Tech companies are now doing.

No it’s not, completely incorrect. Corporations were ruled as citizens in a Supreme Court case regarding donations. This would be a restriction of their rights consistent with the position conservatives held for many moons and supported in the courts. What corporations are not? The government. Completely off the mark and don’t get it.

That's why the anti-trust argument is gaining traction.

Right these folks didn't care about antitrust until they felt like they weren't treated fairly by a private business then they want to use political tools to attack said private enterprises. That's far left territory. That's populism not supported by the constitution, ethics and consistency or any other decent human quality, just selfishness and self centered behavior and thought.

And again, these same people supported the argument that corporations were citizens in the past and wholly hypocritical.

[cradleandshoot]

How many of AOC's squad members have had their accounts shut down ?

I'm assuming you mean actual lefties.

They're censored and sent to FB jail all the time. And post with a "fact check" attached.

Know how I know this? Because I have actual lefties in my social media stream.

FoxNation doesn't want to hear this.


But in any event----that's none of your business. That's up to twitter and facebook.

Remember when you were growing up in the 60's, Old Salt, and the radical left was complaining that American Media----TV, magazines, newspapers----- were a tool for the right, and the American war machine, and was essentially just toeing the government line? Yeah. Well, they weren't wrong. But so what? They own the "presses", whether that means print or radio or TV waves....they get to make the call in America.

And yet, did Conservative America demand that the Big Three be broken up so that we could (snicker) "hear from the liberals"?

And did any of your pals call for breaking up the big three TV networks? Did they say "boy, American TV has too powerful an effect on free speech...we're not hearing from different views".

I'm sure they just "forgot" to do that.

Back up the bus there a Fan. I grew up in the 60s and 70s watching the evening news while my dad napped while reading the evening paper sports section. We had Walter Cronkite a Fan. When you watched Cronkite read the news he NEVER editorialized what he was reading to America. He simply reported the news of the day. There was never an insertion on his part that so and so was lying, or that senator smith was putting forth a false narrative. He reported what the news was and left the conclusions about what they meant up to the American people to decide. That is why when Cronkite would sign off and say.. and that's the way it is, well you knew that is the way it was. The era of the Walter Cronkites of the world are long gone and never to be seen again. The imbeciles reporting the news today not only report it but they try and tell us what it all means and how we should interpret it.

[Farfromgeneva]

But Cronkite did editorialize about Vietnam. My father loved to explain all the seminal moments in his life prior to mine and that one was told more than once. And that was going on 50 years ago now, so basically another world, two generations, apart.

[Farfromgeneva]

How many of AOC's squad members have had their accounts shut down ?

I'm assuming you mean actual lefties.

They're censored and sent to FB jail all the time. And post with a "fact check" attached.

Know how I know this? Because I have actual lefties in my social media stream.

FoxNation doesn't want to hear this.


But in any event----that's none of your business. That's up to twitter and facebook.

Remember when you were growing up in the 60's, Old Salt, and the radical left was complaining that American Media----TV, magazines, newspapers----- were a tool for the right, and the American war machine, and was essentially just toeing the government line? Yeah. Well, they weren't wrong. But so what? They own the "presses", whether that means print or radio or TV waves....they get to make the call in America.

And yet, did Conservative America demand that the Big Three be broken up so that we could (snicker) "hear from the liberals"?

And did any of your pals call for breaking up the big three TV networks? Did they say "boy, American TV has too powerful an effect on free speech...we're not hearing from different views".

I'm sure they just "forgot" to do that.

Back up the bus there a Fan. I grew up in the 60s and 70s watching the evening news while my dad napped while reading the evening paper sports section. We had Walter Cronkite a Fan. When you watched Cronkite read the news he NEVER editorialized what he was reading to America. He simply reported the news of the day. There was never an insertion on his part that so and so was lying, or that senator smith was putting forth a false narrative. He reported what the news was and left the conclusions about what they meant up to the American people to decide. That is why when Cronkite would sign off and say.. and that's the way it is, well you knew that is the way it was. The era of the Walter Cronkites of the world are long gone and never to be seen again. The imbeciles reporting the news today not only report it but they try and tell us what it all means and how we should interpret it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn2RjahTi3M

[a fan]

Back up the bus there a Fan. I grew up in the 60s and 70s watching the evening news while my dad napped while reading the evening paper sports section. We had Walter Cronkite a Fan. When you watched Cronkite read the news he NEVER editorialized what he was reading to America.

Disagree completely.

To wit, the most famous of his reports.....is he "just reporting" here? I sure as heck don't think so.....this is----full on----Cronkite's opinion of the war.

[old salt]

Back up the bus there a Fan. I grew up in the 60s and 70s watching the evening news while my dad napped while reading the evening paper sports section. We had Walter Cronkite a Fan. When you watched Cronkite read the news he NEVER editorialized what he was reading to America.

Disagree completely.

To wit, the most famous of his reports.....is he "just reporting" here? I sure as heck don't think so.....this is----full on----Cronkite's opinion of the war.

That's what made that exception so impactful.

Literally, the exception that proved the rule.

[Farfromgeneva]

Until 1968. It's 2021. New world and been this way for a long, long, long time. Should probably toss your abacus and check out these new HP calculators or this spreadsheet program called Excel.

[old salt]

Until 1968. It's 2021. New world and been this way for a long, long, long time. Should probably toss your abacus and check out these new HP calculators or this spreadsheet program called Excel.

Not that long. The media didn't change right after that. Give the ageism a rest. I don't hold your age & inexperience against you.

CNN & MSNBC were straight news for a long time.

[Farfromgeneva]

Would be hard to do since I'm 42, that would be really dumb. But let's pretend your correct, it's been happening in my lifetime, well over 30yrs now. So you can cry ageism and play the role of victim, maybe pretend I'm part of the deep state out to get you, but it doesn't change the fact that your argument (and Cradle) is so stale as to be irrelevant and pointless. No matter how many times you cry as victim that I'm being ageist, which is of course a joke.

MSNBC hasn't been straight news in 20+ years. Give me a break on that. At a min the day Olbermann joined (2003) if not far sooner. So lets live in the present day world for once maybe?